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nothing is true, everything is permitted

 
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Faith?
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you have heard of psychotronics did you?
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no, I haven't.. what do you mean by faith?
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


absence of doubt give superpowers. But explain your formula a bit more? What was your corner stone?
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If you go an rob a bank tommorow, since everything is permited.

I suppose them locking you up, and possilby frying you, is also permitted, since you being locked up and then getting the chair isn't really true.
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Robbing a bank is a possibility you can chose to be open to or not.
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
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If you go an rob a bank tommorow, since everything is permited.

I suppose them locking you up, and possilby frying you, is also permitted, since you being locked up and then getting the chair isn't really true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


I think you were trying to make a point, but you made the opposite imo..
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I once ascribed to that belief:

nothing is true, everything is permitted

But the point I was making, is that it's a dangerous belief.

Since there are very real consequences not only in this physical life (e.g. getting locked up)

But even far worse,

there's very real consequences in the afterlife, for what you do here on this physical Earth.
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Everything is a lie. nothing is permitted.
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Faith?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72232429


you have heard of psychotronics did you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72232429


no, I haven't.. what do you mean by faith?
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


absence of doubt give superpowers. But explain your formula a bit more? What was your corner stone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72232429


necessity..

I turned my life upside down and while keeping a journal, I wouldn't even eat until I found food through improbability..

example:

one day during my travels I was forced to halt while I waited for an improbability to eat.. I sat in one spot and wrote in my journal for several hours until I could no longer justify staying there, then when I started walking again it was about 5 minutes when someone pulled over and picked me up.

they took me to their home and gave me work to do even though they had never ever done that before. when I asked why they were so willing they said they couldn't explain it, they just had this feeling that they were supposed to help me.

where did that feeling come from?

I could go on about that particular scenario because that was not the only strange thing that happened..

another example:

I follow symbols, and one week there seemed to be this recurring symbol.. deer tracks..

every time I followed them I found solutions that were so improbable that if I had ever found doubt before it was gone by the end of that week.
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Re: nothing is true, everything is permitted
If you go an rob a bank tommorow, since everything is permited.

I suppose them locking you up, and possilby frying you, is also permitted, since you being locked up and then getting the chair isn't really true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


Robbing a bank is a possibility you can chose to be open to or not.
 Quoting: cecropia


Yes one can also choose to jump of a cliff as well. This is a possibility, but would you consider the death as a result of this jump to be "true?" Especially if "nothing is true."
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If you go an rob a bank tommorow, since everything is permited.

I suppose them locking you up, and possilby frying you, is also permitted, since you being locked up and then getting the chair isn't really true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


I think you were trying to make a point, but you made the opposite imo..
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I once ascribed to that belief:

nothing is true, everything is permitted

But the point I was making, is that it's a dangerous belief.

Since there are very real consequences not only in this physical life (e.g. getting locked up)

But even far worse,

there's very real consequences in the afterlife, for what you do here on this physical Earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


listen to the whole video in the OP.

the belief is not to open the pathway for a conscience-less life, it's a path to wisdom without the dogma of fear.
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Everything is a lie. nothing is permitted.
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If you go an rob a bank tommorow, since everything is permited.

I suppose them locking you up, and possilby frying you, is also permitted, since you being locked up and then getting the chair isn't really true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


Robbing a bank is a possibility you can chose to be open to or not.
 Quoting: cecropia


Yes one can also choose to jump of a cliff as well. This is a possibility, but would you consider the death as a result of this jump to be "true?" Especially if "nothing is true."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


it sounds like you are projecting your failure to overcome your fears onto the system instead of your actions within the system.
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If you go an rob a bank tommorow, since everything is permited.

I suppose them locking you up, and possilby frying you, is also permitted, since you being locked up and then getting the chair isn't really true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


I think you were trying to make a point, but you made the opposite imo..
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I once ascribed to that belief:

nothing is true, everything is permitted

But the point I was making, is that it's a dangerous belief.

Since there are very real consequences not only in this physical life (e.g. getting locked up)

But even far worse,

there's very real consequences in the afterlife, for what you do here on this physical Earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


listen to the whole video in the OP.

the belief is not to open the pathway for a conscience-less life, it's a path to wisdom without the dogma of fear.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


At the end of the video he says, "laws arise from reason" and not divinity.

This is partly true, since some laws do come from man.

But there are other divine laws, that will determine your fate in the afterlife. That video game vid, doesn't address this.

So what you do in this physical world, still highly matters.

Even if you believe "everything is permitted", true on one level, but there are still consequences, not only in this life but the afterlife for what you do.
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If you go an rob a bank tommorow, since everything is permited.

I suppose them locking you up, and possilby frying you, is also permitted, since you being locked up and then getting the chair isn't really true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


Robbing a bank is a possibility you can chose to be open to or not.
 Quoting: cecropia


Yes one can also choose to jump of a cliff as well. This is a possibility, but would you consider the death as a result of this jump to be "true?" Especially if "nothing is true."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


To be free, one must have possibilities.

To have possibilities, you must first be aware of possibilities.

If you are not aware of your possibilities then you have none and therefore you are a slave.

Last Edited by Photine on 05/18/2016 03:43 PM
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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I think you were trying to make a point, but you made the opposite imo..
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I once ascribed to that belief:

nothing is true, everything is permitted

But the point I was making, is that it's a dangerous belief.

Since there are very real consequences not only in this physical life (e.g. getting locked up)

But even far worse,

there's very real consequences in the afterlife, for what you do here on this physical Earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


listen to the whole video in the OP.

the belief is not to open the pathway for a conscience-less life, it's a path to wisdom without the dogma of fear.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


At the end of the video he says, "laws arise from reason" and not divinity.

This is partly true, since some laws do come from man.

But there are other divine laws, that will determine your fate in the afterlife. That video game vid, doesn't address this.

So what you do in this physical world, still highly matters.

Even if you believe "everything is permitted", true on one level, but there are still consequences, not only in this life but the afterlife for what you do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


there is nothing that says that there won't be consequences from laws made by reason.

the goal is wisdom, not getting away with murder.
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Playing with magic is playing with fire.

Not necessarily bad, but you could get burned.
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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If you go an rob a bank tommorow, since everything is permited.

I suppose them locking you up, and possilby frying you, is also permitted, since you being locked up and then getting the chair isn't really true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


Robbing a bank is a possibility you can chose to be open to or not.
 Quoting: cecropia


Yes one can also choose to jump of a cliff as well. This is a possibility, but would you consider the death as a result of this jump to be "true?" Especially if "nothing is true."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


To be free, one must have possibilities.

To have possibilities, you must first be aware of possibilities.

If you are not aware of your possibilities then you have none and therefore you are a slave.
 Quoting: cecropia


shesright
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If you go an rob a bank tommorow, since everything is permited.

I suppose them locking you up, and possilby frying you, is also permitted, since you being locked up and then getting the chair isn't really true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


Robbing a bank is a possibility you can chose to be open to or not.
 Quoting: cecropia


Yes one can also choose to jump of a cliff as well. This is a possibility, but would you consider the death as a result of this jump to be "true?" Especially if "nothing is true."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


To be free, one must have possibilities.

To have possibilities, you must first be aware of possibilities.

If you are not aware of your possibilities then you have none and therefore you are a slave.
 Quoting: cecropia


There's virtually limitless possibilities, I agree completely.

But there are still consquences to acting out certain possibilities.
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Playing with magic is playing with fire.

Not necessarily bad, but you could get burned.
 Quoting: cecropia



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Playing with magic is playing with fire.

Not necessarily bad, but you could get burned.
 Quoting: cecropia


Yes, I practiced dark magic in the past. I'm aware of the consequences, I learned the hard way.
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I once ascribed to that belief:

nothing is true, everything is permitted

But the point I was making, is that it's a dangerous belief.

Since there are very real consequences not only in this physical life (e.g. getting locked up)

But even far worse,

there's very real consequences in the afterlife, for what you do here on this physical Earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


listen to the whole video in the OP.

the belief is not to open the pathway for a conscience-less life, it's a path to wisdom without the dogma of fear.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


At the end of the video he says, "laws arise from reason" and not divinity.

This is partly true, since some laws do come from man.

But there are other divine laws, that will determine your fate in the afterlife. That video game vid, doesn't address this.

So what you do in this physical world, still highly matters.

Even if you believe "everything is permitted", true on one level, but there are still consequences, not only in this life but the afterlife for what you do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


there is nothing that says that there won't be consequences from laws made by reason.

the goal is wisdom, not getting away with murder.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I do agree that one can gain more knowledge and wisdom, if you don't limit yourself to a set belief.
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listen to the whole video in the OP.

the belief is not to open the pathway for a conscience-less life, it's a path to wisdom without the dogma of fear.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


At the end of the video he says, "laws arise from reason" and not divinity.

This is partly true, since some laws do come from man.

But there are other divine laws, that will determine your fate in the afterlife. That video game vid, doesn't address this.

So what you do in this physical world, still highly matters.

Even if you believe "everything is permitted", true on one level, but there are still consequences, not only in this life but the afterlife for what you do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


there is nothing that says that there won't be consequences from laws made by reason.

the goal is wisdom, not getting away with murder.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I do agree that one can gain more knowledge and wisdom, if you don't limit yourself to a set belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


I'm not trying to convert you bro, just to understand where you are coming from.

peace
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necessity..

I turned my life upside down and while keeping a journal, I wouldn't even eat until I found food through improbability..

example:

one day during my travels I was forced to halt while I waited for an improbability to eat.. I sat in one spot and wrote in my journal for several hours until I could no longer justify staying there, then when I started walking again it was about 5 minutes when someone pulled over and picked me up.

they took me to their home and gave me work to do even though they had never ever done that before. when I asked why they were so willing they said they couldn't explain it, they just had this feeling that they were supposed to help me.

where did that feeling come from?

I could go on about that particular scenario because that was not the only strange thing that happened..

another example:

I follow symbols, and one week there seemed to be this recurring symbol.. deer tracks..

every time I followed them I found solutions that were so improbable that if I had ever found doubt before it was gone by the end of that week.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


you ought to read "magic of psychotronic power", it's exactly what you need. Basically you surrender to your higher self by having a doubtless faith in it as well as fearless? You will thank me later..
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At the end of the video he says, "laws arise from reason" and not divinity.

This is partly true, since some laws do come from man.

But there are other divine laws, that will determine your fate in the afterlife. That video game vid, doesn't address this.

So what you do in this physical world, still highly matters.

Even if you believe "everything is permitted", true on one level, but there are still consequences, not only in this life but the afterlife for what you do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


there is nothing that says that there won't be consequences from laws made by reason.

the goal is wisdom, not getting away with murder.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I do agree that one can gain more knowledge and wisdom, if you don't limit yourself to a set belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


I'm not trying to convert you bro, just to understand where you are coming from.

peace
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I was once involved with Chaos magick. This is was their primary belie, that "nothing is true, everything is permitted."

Due to this, there were no restrictions on the magick you perform.

You could heal or curse, since "everything is permitted."

But I learned later, there are consequences to this, since you're violating divine laws.

These laws aren't from man, these laws aren't from reason.

The consequences are far worse, than any punishment you can receive in this physical life.
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Robbing a bank is a possibility you can chose to be open to or not.
 Quoting: cecropia


Yes one can also choose to jump of a cliff as well. This is a possibility, but would you consider the death as a result of this jump to be "true?" Especially if "nothing is true."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


To be free, one must have possibilities.

To have possibilities, you must first be aware of possibilities.

If you are not aware of your possibilities then you have none and therefore you are a slave.
 Quoting: cecropia


There's virtually limitless possibilities, I agree completely.

But there are still consquences to acting out certain possibilities.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


Of course.
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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necessity..

I turned my life upside down and while keeping a journal, I wouldn't even eat until I found food through improbability..

example:

one day during my travels I was forced to halt while I waited for an improbability to eat.. I sat in one spot and wrote in my journal for several hours until I could no longer justify staying there, then when I started walking again it was about 5 minutes when someone pulled over and picked me up.

they took me to their home and gave me work to do even though they had never ever done that before. when I asked why they were so willing they said they couldn't explain it, they just had this feeling that they were supposed to help me.

where did that feeling come from?

I could go on about that particular scenario because that was not the only strange thing that happened..

another example:

I follow symbols, and one week there seemed to be this recurring symbol.. deer tracks..

every time I followed them I found solutions that were so improbable that if I had ever found doubt before it was gone by the end of that week.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


you ought to read "magic of psychotronic power", it's exactly what you need. Basically you surrender to your higher self by having a doubtless faith in it as well as fearless? You will thank me later..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72232429


thanks for the advice. hf
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Playing with magic is playing with fire.

Not necessarily bad, but you could get burned.
 Quoting: cecropia


Yes, I practiced dark magic in the past. I'm aware of the consequences, I learned the hard way.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


Me too.

I admit to being tempted every now and then to go back to it.
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
Amos 3:7 WYC
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there is nothing that says that there won't be consequences from laws made by reason.

the goal is wisdom, not getting away with murder.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I do agree that one can gain more knowledge and wisdom, if you don't limit yourself to a set belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


I'm not trying to convert you bro, just to understand where you are coming from.

peace
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I was once involved with Chaos magick. This is was their primary belie, that "nothing is true, everything is permitted."

Due to this, there were no restrictions on the magick you perform.

You could heal or curse, since "everything is permitted."

But I learned later, there are consequences to this, since you're violating divine laws.

These laws aren't from man, these laws aren't from reason.

The consequences are far worse, than any punishment you can receive in this physical life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


that's the balance of nature, and I believe it completely.

why we would ever wish our curses on someone else is beyond me but I admit that it was a part of me once as well.
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necessity..

I turned my life upside down and while keeping a journal, I wouldn't even eat until I found food through improbability..

example:

one day during my travels I was forced to halt while I waited for an improbability to eat.. I sat in one spot and wrote in my journal for several hours until I could no longer justify staying there, then when I started walking again it was about 5 minutes when someone pulled over and picked me up.

they took me to their home and gave me work to do even though they had never ever done that before. when I asked why they were so willing they said they couldn't explain it, they just had this feeling that they were supposed to help me.

where did that feeling come from?

I could go on about that particular scenario because that was not the only strange thing that happened..

another example:

I follow symbols, and one week there seemed to be this recurring symbol.. deer tracks..

every time I followed them I found solutions that were so improbable that if I had ever found doubt before it was gone by the end of that week.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


you ought to read "magic of psychotronic power", it's exactly what you need. Basically you surrender to your higher self by having a doubtless faith in it as well as fearless? You will thank me later..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72232429


thanks for the advice. hf
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


it's the manual you never had but sought for. On a funny note do you think you summoned me in your thread? banana2
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I do agree that one can gain more knowledge and wisdom, if you don't limit yourself to a set belief.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


I'm not trying to convert you bro, just to understand where you are coming from.

peace
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I was once involved with Chaos magick. This is was their primary belie, that "nothing is true, everything is permitted."

Due to this, there were no restrictions on the magick you perform.

You could heal or curse, since "everything is permitted."

But I learned later, there are consequences to this, since you're violating divine laws.

These laws aren't from man, these laws aren't from reason.

The consequences are far worse, than any punishment you can receive in this physical life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


that's the balance of nature, and I believe it completely.

why we would ever wish our curses on someone else is beyond me but I admit that it was a part of me once as well.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I have never tried to curse anyone, but I have tried to acquire things that weren't mine.
"For the Lord God shall not do anything, unless first he tell his secret, or his private plans to his servants, the prophets."
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necessity..

I turned my life upside down and while keeping a journal, I wouldn't even eat until I found food through improbability..

example:

one day during my travels I was forced to halt while I waited for an improbability to eat.. I sat in one spot and wrote in my journal for several hours until I could no longer justify staying there, then when I started walking again it was about 5 minutes when someone pulled over and picked me up.

they took me to their home and gave me work to do even though they had never ever done that before. when I asked why they were so willing they said they couldn't explain it, they just had this feeling that they were supposed to help me.

where did that feeling come from?

I could go on about that particular scenario because that was not the only strange thing that happened..

another example:

I follow symbols, and one week there seemed to be this recurring symbol.. deer tracks..

every time I followed them I found solutions that were so improbable that if I had ever found doubt before it was gone by the end of that week.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


you ought to read "magic of psychotronic power", it's exactly what you need. Basically you surrender to your higher self by having a doubtless faith in it as well as fearless? You will thank me later..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72232429


thanks for the advice. hf
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


it's the manual you never had but sought for. On a funny note do you think you summoned me in your thread? banana2
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I think it is possible, but to be honest I made a note of the book and will wait until something Improbable happens to direct me to it again.

no offense to you, I trust your opinion on it, it's just part of my process.

hf
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I'm not trying to convert you bro, just to understand where you are coming from.

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 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I was once involved with Chaos magick. This is was their primary belie, that "nothing is true, everything is permitted."

Due to this, there were no restrictions on the magick you perform.

You could heal or curse, since "everything is permitted."

But I learned later, there are consequences to this, since you're violating divine laws.

These laws aren't from man, these laws aren't from reason.

The consequences are far worse, than any punishment you can receive in this physical life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14364313


that's the balance of nature, and I believe it completely.

why we would ever wish our curses on someone else is beyond me but I admit that it was a part of me once as well.
 Quoting: snaggle_poo


I have never tried to curse anyone, but I have tried to acquire things that weren't mine.
 Quoting: cecropia


haven't we all..

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be back in a few.
I like to twitch, but they call it spam.. so no linky.





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