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The War Against the Pre-Tribulation Rapture.

 
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flo10 Mat 20:1 ¶ For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.

Mat 20:2 And when he had agreed with the labourers for a penny a day, he sent them into his vineyard.

Mat 20:3 And he went out about the third hour, and saw others standing idle in the marketplace,

Mat 20:4 And said unto them; Go ye also into the vineyard, and whatsoever is right I will give you. And they went their way.

Mat 20:5 Again he went out about the sixth and ninth hour, and did likewise.

Mat 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

Mat 20:7 They say unto him, Because no man hath hired us. He saith unto them, Go ye also into the vineyard; and whatsoever is right, that shall ye receive.

Mat 20:8 So when even was come, the lord of the vineyard saith unto his steward, Call the labourers, and give them their hire, beginning from the last unto the first.

Mat 20:9 And when they came that were hired about the eleventh hour, they received every man a penny.

Mat 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny.

Mat 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house,


Mat 20:12 Saying, These last have wrought but one hour, and thou hast made them equal unto us, which have borne the burden and heat of the day.

Mat 20:13 But he answered one of them, and said, Friend, I do thee no wrong: didst not thou agree with me for a penny?

Mat 20:14 Take that thine is, and go thy way: I will give unto this last, even as unto thee.

Mat 20:15 Is it not lawful for me to do what I will with mine own? Is thine eye evil, because I am good?

Mat 20:16 So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen.
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Another thread for the fail list.
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Romans 5:9
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we be saved from God’s wrath through him!

Doe's this woman not know that Paul gave his life for the testimony of Jesus?!
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Go and do research into when it came about, you maybe surprised it not what you think.

This is something that has been debunked time and time again. Of course you do not want to think you have to get tried in your faith, of course you do every day of your life but you nor I am so wonderful that everyone who is not us but Christians to will be left here to sulfur while we are just cozy and safe. The Lord God did not save the Apostle from their death but after, are you better than these? The rapture theory and that is it, a theory new as it was no believed before 1800s.

If you find yourself here during the very bad things going on, by the way it already is going on, what you going to say That The Lord lied, he did not, man did. Or are you not one of the elect of God who sees and stands?

No one has a war on you, it is a warning to you not against you.
Sorry I got a headache

These are the times that tries men's and
women's souls!

May we come though it victorious!
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I have seen many threads on the pre-trib rapture, why are people pushing this belief? Why are others, pushing so hard against it?
Is it because there are some man-made religions that require you to believe pre-trib? other religions that may require NOT to believe pre-trib? I don't understand.
I have seen so many get so emotional on both sides, seriously I do not understand why? Its confusing.
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Every failed rapture prediction AC hurry up get in here we need you
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This thread has been added to the rapture fail thread. Gratz!!!
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Another thread for the fail list.
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9teen Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Mat 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Mat 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Mat 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
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2000 years of "any day now"
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Still waiting for the rapture (picture of skeleton sitting on bench)
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I have seen many threads on the pre-trib rapture, why are people pushing this belief? Why are others, pushing so hard against it?
Is it because there are some man-made religions that require you to believe pre-trib? other religions that may require NOT to believe pre-trib? I don't understand.
I have seen so many get so emotional on both sides, seriously I do not understand why? Its confusing.
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I guess people just want to debunk the lie of a pre-rapture,and others want to defend it.

This thread does't belong in the rapture hall of fails, because it's not a set date prediction.
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This thread has been added to the rapture fail thread. Gratz!!!
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ooojrain

If GLP's still up it will be a very sad place after it happens.
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Truth right here.....Keep you lamps full of oil(Ruach Ha Kodesh)stay ready and watching!

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I have seen many threads on the pre-trib rapture, why are people pushing this belief? Why are others, pushing so hard against it?
Is it because there are some man-made religions that require you to believe pre-trib? other religions that may require NOT to believe pre-trib? I don't understand.
I have seen so many get so emotional on both sides, seriously I do not understand why? Its confusing.
 Quoting: Unchained


I guess people just want to debunk the lie of a pre-rapture,and others want to defend it.

This thread does't belong in the rapture hall of fails, because it's not a set date prediction.
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If you don't believe it, you call it a lie...if you do believe it, you call it truth.
What if you had my stance: Yeah it could be true OR it might not be true, either way, I have peace.
So,because of all the emotion, from both sides, am I to conclude: its a must in order to be a Christian, in either camp, you either believe it or not? Is this what a lot GLP Christians believe now a days?
Whether you believe pre-trib or not is a condition to being my brother or sister. It's a shame that many have chosen to exclude themselves from each other over the pre-trib issue.
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That is a very stupid girl.

She said that attacks on Pre-trib rapture were attempts to destroy the very foundation of Christianity. When did Pre-Trib rapture become the very foundation of Christianity?

Then she spewed that Jesus suffered on the cross for Christians and so Christians did not need to suffer. Of course that completely ignores the fact that millions of Christians have suffered and died since Jesus died on the Cross. In fact ISIS is chopping off Christian heads all the time in Syria. Israel bombs Christian communities in GAZA all the time. Christians in the U.S. never come to their defense. But somehow she is "special" and different than other Christians past and present?

Then she says that "actions" will not get you to heaven but just "faith" alone will. So I have faith that Jesus is the Son of God and so I can go out and murder, lie, steal and cheat and it does not matter because I have faith and so can do whatever I want to do? If that is true then why was most of the bible written which tells you things you need to do? Like honor the Sabbath?

That is one lazy female in the video. she wants an easy way to heaven and an easy life where she is not responsible for anything she does.


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That is a very stupid girl.

She said that attacks on Pre-trib rapture were attempts to destroy the very foundation of Christianity. When did Pre-Trib rapture become the very foundation of Christianity?

Then she spewed that Jesus suffered on the cross for Christians and so Christians did not need to suffer. Of course that completely ignores the fact that millions of Christians have suffered and died since Jesus died on the Cross. In fact ISIS is chopping off Christian heads all the time in Syria. Israel bombs Christian communities in GAZA all the time. Christians in the U.S. never come to their defense. But somehow she is "special" and different than other Christians past and present?

Then she says that "actions" will not get you to heaven but just "faith" alone will. So I have faith that Jesus is the Son of God and so I can go out and murder, lie, steal and cheat and it does not matter because I have faith and so can do whatever I want to do? If that is true then why was most of the bible written which tells you things you need to do? Like honor the Sabbath?

That is one lazy female in the video. she wants an easy way to heaven and an easy life where she is not responsible for anything she does.

dicaprio-agree
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I throw in with the pre-trib rapture crowd...

...just say'en.
Fear God and Dread Nought.
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In the end, it doesn't really matter what one believes so long as he/she has asked for forgiveness and accepted/received Christ as our savior!

I do believe that another revival is on our horizons and this will truly be a changing time for all...

Thanks for the post!

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Then she that Jesus suffered on the cross for Christians and so Christians did not need to suffer. Of course that completely ignores the fact that millions of Christians have suffered and died since Jesus died on the Cross. In fact ISIS is chopping off Christian heads all the time in Syria. Israel bombs Christian communities in GAZA all the time. Christians in the U.S. never come to their defense. But somehow she is "special" and different than other Christians past and present?

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flo109teen Did the whole point of the story of the labourers in the vineyard escape you? Some Christians will indeed suffer great persecution, some will suffer a little, and others hardly any.

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The Lord had physically passed. His physical death was accepted. His spirit/soul was among the disciples. At His Ascension His disciples looked on as Jesus's presence left them.

so when you read the following verse, know that it was not the physical that was implied. keepin mind that, 'alive' was commonly meant to be alive in the spirit of Christ.

'For the Lord himself, with a cry of command, with the archangel's call and with the sound of God's trumpet, will descend from heaven, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive(in Christ), who are left, will be caught up in the clouds together with them to meet the Lord in the air; and so we will be with the Lord forever'

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That girl in the video needed to listen to JFK when he said

"Ask not what your nation can do for you but ask what you can do for your nation"

Change it just a little to:

"Ask not what your God can do for you but ask what you can do for your God"


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That is a very stupid girl.

She said that attacks on Pre-trib rapture were attempts to destroy the very foundation of Christianity. When did Pre-Trib rapture become the very foundation of Christianity?

Then she spewed that Jesus suffered on the cross for Christians and so Christians did not need to suffer. Of course that completely ignores the fact that millions of Christians have suffered and died since Jesus died on the Cross. In fact ISIS is chopping off Christian heads all the time in Syria. Israel bombs Christian communities in GAZA all the time. Christians in the U.S. never come to their defense. But somehow she is "special" and different than other Christians past and present?

Then she says that "actions" will not get you to heaven but just "faith" alone will. So I have faith that Jesus is the Son of God and so I can go out and murder, lie, steal and cheat and it does not matter because I have faith and so can do whatever I want to do? If that is true then why was most of the bible written which tells you things you need to do? Like honor the Sabbath?

That is one lazy female in the video. she wants an easy way to heaven and an easy life where she is not responsible for anything she does.


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It was a hard watch to hear her say those things,but she is talking about pre-tribulation rapture.
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I have seen many threads on the pre-trib rapture, why are people pushing this belief? Why are others, pushing so hard against it?
Is it because there are some man-made religions that require you to believe pre-trib? other religions that may require NOT to believe pre-trib? I don't understand.
I have seen so many get so emotional on both sides, seriously I do not understand why? Its confusing.
 Quoting: Unchained


I guess people just want to debunk the lie of a pre-rapture,and others want to defend it.

This thread does't belong in the rapture hall of fails, because it's not a set date prediction.
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If you don't believe it, you call it a lie...if you do believe it, you call it truth.
What if you had my stance: Yeah it could be true OR it might not be true, either way, I have peace.
So,because of all the emotion, from both sides, am I to conclude: its a must in order to be a Christian, in either camp, you either believe it or not? Is this what a lot GLP Christians believe now a days?
Whether you believe pre-trib or not is a condition to being my brother or sister. It's a shame that many have chosen to exclude themselves from each other over the pre-trib issue.
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I say it's a lie because there really isn't scriptures that support a pre-trib rapture.
There are scriptures that support christians going through tribulation.
I'm sure somebody will paste that wall of text here soon enough.
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Are you so blinded that you would contradict the Savior? ["I pray that they not be taken from this world"]

In psalm 91 you read "thousands will die at your side" and you don't wonder how this could be if you have departed in some fantasy rapture!

Do you realize Jesus said four times in chapter four of John that HE will raise us on the last day [not the last minus 3 1/2 or 7 years]

One scripture spoken TO an elite jew was "you must be born again." Then there are many scriptures FROM an elite jew like..
"The only jew is one inwardly" {let me help you..he's saying there is no such thing as a carnal jew. He's saying you must be born again. He's saying the born again disciples of Jesus is God's holy Israel.

The tree we're grafted to is made up of born again jews (who were jews no longer..[There is neither jew nor gentile in Christ Jesus"] Remember in Ezekiel when abominations were committed in the temple and the glory departed IT DEPARTED JUDITH!

Carnal jews being God's chosen is a ship that has sailed. Christ said He came for the lost sheep. I submit to you that when Jesus was alive HE was the entirety of Israel. The rest fell in their captivity and remembered not the word of the Lord. (Reread Ezra)
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Go and do research into when it came about, you maybe surprised it not what you think.

This is something that has been debunked time and time again. Of course you do not want to think you have to get tried in your faith, of course you do every day of your life but you nor I am so wonderful that everyone who is not us but Christians to will be left here to sulfur while we are just cozy and safe. The Lord God did not save the Apostle from their death but after, are you better than these? The rapture theory and that is it, a theory new as it was no believed before 1800s.

If you find yourself here during the very bad things going on, by the way it already is going on, what you going to say That The Lord lied, he did not, man did. Or are you not one of the elect of God who sees and stands?

No one has a war on you, it is a warning to you not against you.
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The one who needs to do some research is you.



Irenaeus 130AD to 202AD was a disciple of Polycarp 69AD to 155AD, Polycarp was a disciple of John, who walked with Christ and wrote revelation.



Irenaeus had this to say in his teaching.

Against Heresies 5.29



“Those nations however, who did not of themselves raise up their eyes unto heaven, nor returned thanks to their Maker, nor wished to behold the light of truth, but who were like blind mice concealed in the depths of ignorance, the word justly reckons “as waste water from a sink, and as the turning-weight of a balance — in fact, as nothing;”

(1) so far useful and serviceable to the just, as stubble conduces towards the growth of the wheat, and its straw, by means of combustion, serves for working gold. And therefore, when in the end the Church shall be suddenly caught up from this, it is said, “There shall be tribulation such as has not been since the beginning, neither shall be.”

(2) For this is the last contest of the righteous, in which, when they overcome they are crowned with incorruption.”




The catching up or rapture.
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Ok I just want to say,I don't believe in a pre-trib rapture.
Doesn't mean that I'm not hundred percent convinced that there isn't one.

Just that,in the back of my mind if there is one,It's probably going to be for the children.

There's no point for me to search the scriptures for this,because I know I'll be in tribulation,and so will many others,if not all of the bride.
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Truth right here.....Keep you lamps full of oil(Ruach Ha Kodesh)stay ready and watching!

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hf
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Understanding something to be untrue is seeking and knocking.

Please, OP...research where and when the idea came from.

I know many want to believe in this concept but to do so is in error.
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Was Jesus raptured or John the Baptist? You are to stand and fight the enemy and do so with faith. Pre-tribs will be wringing their hands as well as gnashing their teeth IMO when the SHTF and there is no flying away from their testing.
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Truth right here.....Keep you lamps full of oil(Ruach Ha Kodesh)stay ready and watching!

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hf
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bridec We must all be ready now, it's good to see that some of you understand.


Mat 25:1 ¶ Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.


Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:


Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.

Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.

Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.

Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.

Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.

Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.

Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.


Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.