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What did this bushchit cost us?? Defiant Rumsfeld goes out swinging

 
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Ridiculous ceremonies, pomp and circumstance for WHAT??

Cost us taxpayers plenty, I'll bet!!

Grrrr!!!

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Defiant Rumsfeld goes out swinging

Dec 15, 2006 - 5:52:23 PM

Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, the public face of an unpopular, failed war, said goodbye to the Pentagon on Friday in a hypocrticial sendoff featuring praise from President Bush, the man who fired him the day after the election.

Rumsfeld, defiant to the end, defended to the end the mission that cost him his job.

Combative to the last, Rumsfeld took a slap at advocates of withdrawing U.S. troops from the war, now in its fourth year with more than 2,900 Americans dead.

"It may well be comforting to some to consider graceful exits from the agonies and, indeed, the ugliness of combat," Rumsfeld said, choking up slightly as he capped a roster of speakers at his pomp-filled goodbye ceremony. "But the enemy thinks differently."

Rumsfeld's service to the country over five decades and for four presidents was saluted in an hourlong honor review.

A drum roll marked the ceremonial entrance of Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney and Rumsfeld to a grassy field outside the Pentagon. Troops fired a cannon salute of 19 rounds.

On Monday, Robert Gates takes over from Rumsfeld, who will be just 10 days shy of surpassing Vietnam-era Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara as the longest-serving Pentagon chief ever.

Far from apologizing for the Iraq war that was the undoing of Rumsfeld — as well as Republican control of Congress and Bush's approval ratings — speakers heralded both the war and the secretary's leadership.

Bush applauded Rumsfeld for the invasion that drove Saddam Hussein from power in just 21 days and for seeing the Iraqi people through the resumption of sovereignty, two elections, the adoption of a constitution and the seating of a new government. There was no mention of the potent anti-American insurgency that arose after the invasion, nor of the spiraling sectarian fighting that has more recently brought increased bloodshed.

"On his watch, the United States military helped the Iraqi people establish a constitutional democracy in the heart of the Middle East, a watershed event in the story of freedom," said Bush, who hugged Rumsfeld. "This man knows how to lead, and he did. And the country is better off for it."

Cheney, close to Rumsfeld in a nearly 40-year friendship, was even more effusive.

"I've never worked harder for a boss, and I've never learned more from one either," said the vice president, hired by Rumsfeld in 1969 into the Nixon White House. "I believe the record speaks for itself: Don Rumsfeld is the finest secretary of defense this nation has ever had."

A former Navy aviator, the 74-year-old Rumsfeld is the only person to hold Pentagon position twice, serving as the nation's 21st defense secretary and its 13th. Under President Ford, he was the youngest Pentagon chief in U.S. history. He now leaves having been its oldest as well.

After three terms in Congress from Illinois, Rumsfeld became a high-level official and NATO ambassador under President Nixon. He was Ford's chief of staff before leading the Defense Department from 1975 to 1977. He served briefly as a special ambassador to the Middle East for President Reagan. In between government stints, he made millions in the private sector.

This time around, the nation didn't know quite what to do with the square-jawed, squint-eyed and acid-tongued man who became known as "Rummy."

In the days after the Sept. 11 attacks, when the U.S. military was racking up successes against the al-Qaida-harboring Taliban in Afghanistan, Rumsfeld's daily press briefings, by turns combative and courtly, fascinated and entertained the nation. His frank assessments, peppered with "by gollys" and "my goodnesses," were a refreshing alternative to bureaucrat-ese.

But as Iraq grew messier and deadlier, Republicans began signing on to the persistent Democratic calls for Rumsfeld to lose his job. A group of ex-generals went public with their assertion Rumsfeld was a failure. Prominent voices inside the administration wondered quietly why Rumsfeld wasn't being held accountable.

On Iraq, the complaint list was long: He resisted sending enough troops to Iraq in the beginning; he remained in denial about the insurgency even after its deadly consequences were clear and he failed to properly equip American troops.

Rumsfeld's style earned him few friends. His demands had alienated the officer corps and his dismissiveness rankled members of Congress. His outsize ambition for a radically transformed U.S. armed forces, particularly the Army, unnerved some traditionalists.

Rumsfeld twice offered Bush his resignation — once during the Abu Ghraib prisoner abuse scandal in spring 2004 and again shortly after that.

All along, Bush insisted he was happy with his Pentagon chief.

The president pivoted, however, the day after midterm elections that handed Democrats control of the House and the Senate in voting largely viewed as a message of discontent about the war. Bush, a fidgeting Rumsfeld standing beside him in the Oval Office, announced his departure and the choice of Gates, a mild-mannered CIA director from his father's administration, as Rumsfeld's replacement.

In his parting advice, Rumsfeld said America must increase investment in its military.

"Ours is a world of unstable dictators, weapon proliferators and rogue regimes, and each of these enemies seeks out our vulnerabilities," he said. "Ours is also a world of many friends and allies, but sadly, realistically, friends and allies with declining defense investment and declining capabilities and, I would add, as a result, with increasing vulnerabilities. All of which requires that the United States of America invest more."
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you really should stay at that other board you go to....
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SHUTTHEFUCKUP

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you really should stay at that other board you go to....
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How about addressing the news story instead of being needlessly nasty?
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SHUTTHEFUCKUP

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you really should stay at that other board you go to....
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Ha.

Lemme guess.

You LOVE Rummy.

So sad he's leaving, huh?

It's about dayum time. Past time, actually.

Maybe more of our troops and innocents would still be alive had he left earlier, A.C. 81865.

Oh, and by-the-way, the only time I post at another site is when GLP is down. Check yer facts before you post.

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Thank you, Magic Toad.

Some people channel their anger in the wrong direction.
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hey Pollyannuh.

two things...how can one find out the actual cost to taxpayers for the send-off? secondly...odd that rummy would talk against a nice exit when wasn't that what he had offered right before he got canned?
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So, what did all that defiant celebration cost us taxpayers???

Anyone see bush's face as he sat on his throne next to Rumsfeld's throne?

Incredibly arrogant.

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Oh Puleeze, that didn't cost squat, be happy he's gone so you got your wish and quit ankle biting the guy even as he's going through the door.
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I have attended a talk by David Shayler, the MI5 agent turned whistleblower when he discovered that the UK government had funded a known Islamic terrorist group in order as part of a deal for them killing Gadaffi. They did were going to kill him by planting a bomb under his car. They did... but they got the wrong car and 11 innocent people died.

This took place in the 1990s. They gave the main terrorist $40 000.

Well, he didn't understand WHY the UK and US government were funding this until he realised through inside information that infact it was regime change. Not to get rid of Gadaffi, but because the incoming group would be radicals and would therefore justify the US invading Libya and... you guessed it, taking control of their oil as well as having one of the most strategic pieces of land in the Middle East on which to build their bases.

The failure meant that Gadaffi survived and the invasion could not take place.

But that's not the most amazinf insight that Shayler has. Even more than this is how 911 was a failed operation. Failed? But it was perfect! The buildings came down!

Yes... but we didn't see the entire game. It's been staring us in the face all this time but it took a brilliant mind with inside information (access to the most classified of intelligence documents) to piece it together. Shayler really is that intelligent. Spend 5 minutes with him and you will see what I mean.

Well, the end game was this: Flight 93 was to land on the Whitehouse. You see, under US law at the time, if that happened, it would be martial law in the US and under those conditions, the entire 911 plot could have been completely tidied up, all the evidence buried. We would not be able to have the 911 truth movement today. Anyone claiming that it was an inside job would be so far out on the extremes of conspiracy theory that they would never be taken seriously and certainly must less of the material available today would have been available to the truth movement.

Now we KNOW that this was planned (martial law) because on the 10th Nov 2001 it had been put in the MSM! There were articles published to the American people about how martial law could be enacted in the event of the US government (Washington DC) being attacked directly. So the US population was actually PRIMED for that.

Not only that, but the antrax attacks DID attack the US government, only it was too late then to declare martial law so Plan B didn't bail them out either. And worse, the antrax was traced by the FBI to US laboratories where on a few select personnel had access to it so it was undeniably and inside job. Which is why the headlines claiming that the anthrax was Iraqi played enough to imprint the mantra in the population's minds, then the entire anthrax hoax was made to quietly and quickly disappear.

So what went wrong?

The shooting down of 93 was a renegade action by a true American hero officer and the pilot that did the deed. The order to shoot down WAS NOT GIVEN. I.e. The inaction was there to guarantee the Whitehouse would be hit. Instead of the lies in the movie "United 93", the real hero of 911 was indeed associated with flight 93 coming down but it was not some fictious all American man in the street blued eyed boys. The real hero remains unknown. Anonymous. Denied. The real hero was the officer that saw the no-shoot as a NORAD botch and did his job and had that aircraft shot down.

The entire planet owes that man its thanks. I wonder if he even lived through the day? They may well have shot him on sight.

Now, I haven't researched this but I am willing to bet good money that if you go back in the news archives, you will find that NONE of the important people were in the Whitehouse on 911. You may even find Bush opponents WERE in the Whitehouse that day!

Not only that, but as Shayler points out, Jeb Bush jumped the gun. He declared martial law too soon in Florida. There was no reason for that declaration and it's one of those key facts that the 911 truth movement has missed. It's key fact for prosecuting as conspiracy to the murders, Jeb Bush as well as the usual suspects in the Administration. It's the smoking gun against Jeb Bush being an insider.

But the "failure" in NORAD and the other points of control, i.e. the things that were meant to allow 93 to hit the Whitehouse were undone by a quick thinking officer who ordered the plane to be taken down. 93 was, to use Shayler's term, a key failure in the plot. A cockup that, to quote Shayler "they simply didn't expect or plan for this".

When you realise this truth, suddenly many of the loose ends click into place. Suddenly, so much makes sense. So many of the Bush "incompetancies" are shown to be not incompetance, but quickstepping out a contingency. The inept neoCon scrambling and bumbling of the invasion is suddenly very clearly a group of well rehearsed, well disciplined, well planned people wrongfooted by the most unexpected of cockups.

Flight 93 is where 911 went wrong for them. And one of the reasons that the propaganda around that plane was in overdrive. United 93 the film, the stories of the heros, the only "black box that survived"... all these were disctractions. Very clever distractions. You see, by keeping the "was is shot down" debate going as an initial catch point for the sheep backed up by the "how come the mobile phones worked?" as the catch point for those not fooled by the first catch point, no-one got thinking about the actual flight itself and the key role it played. No-one has been thinking about the possibility that it was a monumental cockup that the plotters simply hadn't accounted for. No-one has been thinking "what if it had reached its target, what would have happened?". And that's clever human manipulation for you. That's really clever brains thinking at high speed to bail out of a catastrophe.

But 93 went badly wrong for the plotters. Because it gave that little window of opportunity for the truth movement to see the faults in the story, see the holes in the evidence and start to question the official line. Martial law was meant to ensure that no questions could be asked, no evidence could survive and no-one would have the time to ask because of what was meant to immediately follow. The sequence of events would have been so swift that we would be focussed now on the fallout of the WMD use that was almost certainly in the plan. 911 would be a minor footnote that no-one would be interested in by now.

Had 93 reached "mission complete". Had martial law been declared, complete control over the media, release of information and the cleanup (getting rid of the evidence) would have happened and bingo! The entire 911 plot would have played out and the world right now would have been a completely different place. Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan probably would have had nuclear weapons used against them to simply "solve the problem". With the US government "wiped out", no-one would have either held the Bush crowd accoutable nor have the ability to even if they tried.

Which explains another anomally about the plot: How the neoCons so totally screwed up the invasions without an exit strategy. The visible evidence being the mess that Iraq is in with the US having its butt kicked.

See, they never needed an exit strategy because they were never going to invade the way that they were forced to. That was NOT the plan. The plan was to use the overwhelming force of American super weapons in quick, lethal blows that the world would have had to stand by and accept because the US government itself would have been directly attacked, possibly with key opponents to the WH wiped out as part of the deal. Who would stop the US? Indeed, who would even BLAME the US?

Their original plan was perfect. It was a good plan. I was a perfect plan.

There was no need to plant a passport. There was no need to explain 911. If you don't explain then there are no holes in the story because there simply is no story. Your cover is perfect. No 911 commission, no NIST scrambling to prove the impossible, no questions about WTC7. Nothing to attack the neoCon agenda with because no accountability given because under martial law, the US government would be unassailable.

And that also explains those massive FEMA detention camps that GLP was so hyped up about many years ago. We were all mystified as to why they were being built. Now it's clear! Even under martial law there would have been those who didn't agree with the neoCons. Those detention camps would have been filled with these dissidents.

Sit back and think of all the odd behaviour that has puzzled us about the BushCo. How they seem to have wrongfooted themselves all the time. And think about how things would have been different in 93 had hit its target. It all makes perfect sense.

Behind the scenes there must have been frantic redrawing of plans. Years and years of careful, step by step detail was trashed when that missile hit 93. And because of that, errors were made. And because of THAT, we have the truth movement and the very real chance to expose this hoax and nail the guilty party.

Which could be why Bush bought into Paraguay.

Also, look at where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Bremer and all the other PNAC players were on the day. Look at their actions. In the light of what was EXPECTED to happen, it all makes sense. Perfect, perfect sense.

This is a startling revelation by Shayler and an absolute lynchpin in understanding 911 and what has followed. It explains so much, ties up so many loose ends and just fits the picture so well, even down to the reactions of the people involved, that it really is the only credible missing piece.

And more still, it's clear that the recycling deal must have been planned months before for the steel shipments from the 911 demolition. All that executed perfectly. But rather than it being a secret kept "for security reasons" away from any public knowledge for decades to come, maybe even centuries, it's now in the open. And one more item to point at the guilty parties with.

For me personally, it's the effectiveness of the psyops of 93 that gets me. How the diversion has worked so extremely well, How the realisation of how 911 was actually a massive cockup simply hasn't featured anywhere up until now.

That makes me shake my head in admiration for the brains that pulled it together. Real professionals. Nasty, evil, but so very clever.
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hey Pollyannuh.

two things...how can one find out the actual cost to taxpayers for the send-off? secondly...odd that rummy would talk against a nice exit when wasn't that what he had offered right before he got canned?
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I'd love to know what it cost. I'm hoping someone with some time on their hands can find that figure and let us know.

Rumsfeld wrote his memo two days before his departure was announced. I suspect he did that as a knee jerk reaction to hearing he was to be fired. Figured he'd fix 'em, lol!!

That being said, today's outrageous ceremonies, cannon blasts, parade, 4 star general speeches, etc., was ALSO an act of defiance by bush and company.

To WHOM, I wonder??? It certainly was a message to someone.
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Oh Puleeze, that didn't cost squat, be happy he's gone so you got your wish and quit ankle biting the guy even as he's going through the door.
ankle_bite

Wait'll Gates....I mean Baker gets rolling and who knows, you might very wish he was back, it could happen.
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No, SHR, everytime they pull this kind of bushchit it costs PLENTY.

Remember that awful funeral display Nancy had to have for Ronnie? That was disgraceful asking the taxpayers to pay for that. Look!

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At a Cost of $3,000,000,000,000, The Ronald Reagan Funeral Features 21 Billion Gun Salute
6/7/2004 - Robert Krupto

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According to White House sources, Ronald Reagan will be honored at his funeral with a 21 billion gun salute. The salute is estimated to cost in the neighborhood of $3,000,000,000,000; it is widely believed that the expense will be ignored until a future generation is forced to deal with it.
Reagan, the fortieth president of the United States, is best known for his arms buildup against the Soviet Union and the massive deficits that followed. He is cherished by conservatives for his staunch anti-Communism and defeat of the Soviet Union, yet loathed by liberals for his presumed disdain for the poor and minorities.

The 21 billion gun salute will issue from guns strategically placed all over the globe. The vast majority will be fired from the continental United States itself, along with others fired in Britain, Italy, Hungary, Turkey, India, South Korea, the Philippines, Hawaii, and Alaska. Shots fired from Russia will be shot down as they travel toward the sky.

It is rumored that some guns intended for the salute were funneled to Iran and that he sale of those guns will be used to pay the funeral's Nicaraguan minister Eduardo Sanchez. Reagan successor, ex-President George H. W. Bush, who is in Tehran on "personal business," had no comment.

The intended display of egregious pomp at Reagan's funeral so infuriated the Russians that they immediately killed Mikhail Gorbachev and mobilized resources to mark his burial with a 22 billion gun salute. As they began to move guns into Vietnam, China, North Korea, Central Asia, Eastern Europe and France the Russian economy collapsed and they were forced to grind Gorbachev into dog food. Some are already arguing that there is no correlation between Reagan salute and the failure of the Russian economy; others go on as if Russian state never failed in the first place.

***END***

Every time we are left holding the bag.

Regards Gates, we shall see. They only have two more years to completely screw us/USA up.

thwak
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"Ours is a world of unstable dictators, weapon proliferators and rogue regimes

 Quoting: Pollyannuh


Agreed!!!

Time to clean the WAR Regime out of the White House.

Daniel

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"Ours is a world of unstable dictators, weapon proliferators and rogue regimes



Agreed!!!

Time to clean the WAR Regime out of the White House.

Daniel

:bush dick:


 Quoting: Daniel



Even though the above isn't a quote of mine but is one from the article, I wholeheartedly agree.
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If it cost too much Polly, maybe you'd prefer he stay to save the taxpayers all that money (money that the Dimbulbs won't be able to redistribute to their supporters)?

BTW, I forgot to ask : Are you a "Net tax Payer" or "Net Tax Receiver"? If you're NOT a NET Tax Payer it DIDN'T cost you personally ANYTHING!
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If it cost too much Polly, maybe you'd prefer he stay to save the taxpayers all that money (money that the Dimbulbs won't be able to redistribute to their supporters)?

BTW, I forgot to ask : Are you a "Net tax Payer" or "Net Tax Receiver"? If you're NOT a NET Tax Payer it DIDN'T cost you personally ANYTHING!
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Hiya, AC V3.0 Beta!!! Wow! Fancy new name ya got there!

Now, AC, you know dayum right well that Rummy was fired.

Since he WAS fired, why show him a good time before he leaves at taxpayer's expense?

Obviously, the guy was doing a lousy job hence the firing.

Do you think anyone, and Rumsfeld in particular, is deserving of ONE nickle of taxpayer dollars?

Never, ever did I hear tell of someone getting a big parade complete with salutes AFTER he's been handed a pink slip.

Come on, AC, you know this goes beyond being bizzarre and wasteful.

Basically, this gig was showing someone(s) a great, big middle finger.

See??

bushfing

So. We now have TWO questions.

How much did this bushchit cost and who was being told to go pluck themselves?
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Oh Puleeze, that didn't cost squat, be happy he's gone so you got your wish and quit ankle biting the guy even as he's going through the door.
ankle_bite

Wait'll Gates....I mean Baker gets rolling and who knows, you might very wish he was back, it could happen.



No, SHR, everytime they pull this kind of bushchit it costs PLENTY.

Remember that awful funeral display Nancy had to have for Ronnie? That was disgraceful asking the taxpayers to pay for that. Look!

 Quoting: Pollyannuh

LOL, every President gets a state funeral if they desire and with all the crap we waste plenty of money on, they should. Just tell the Clintards to pony up some of that China and Furniture those white trash took when they left, should be more than enough. Don't worry they'll still be plenty for your pals to give away to illegals to pay for their votes.
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Oh Puleeze, that didn't cost squat...



No, SHR, everytime they pull this kind of bushchit it costs PLENTY.

Remember that awful funeral display Nancy had to have for Ronnie? That was disgraceful asking the taxpayers to pay for that. Look!


LOL, every President gets a state funeral if they desire and with all the crap we waste plenty of money on, they should. Just tell the Clintards to pony up some of that China and Furniture those white trash took when they left, should be more than enough. Don't worry they'll still be plenty for your pals to give away to illegals to pay for their votes.
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Sooooooooooo, just because any and every President's family can demand a $30 BILLION state funeral we should grab a box of our cheapest tissues and mourn? Mourn for the loss of tax dollars that would be better spent on humanitarian aid right here in our own country, SHR.

I happen to know people in Missouri who STILL AREN'T back in their homes. Sick and sad.

Just because it's legal (state funerals) it doesn't make it any less distasteful and crass.

But, back to the subject at hand.

How much did this wasteful bushchit cost and who were they telling to pluck off?




Psst...did ANYONE actually read the article I posted on Reagan??
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Oh Puleeze, that didn't cost squat, be happy he's gone so you got your wish and quit ankle biting the guy even as he's going through the door.
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I hate to say it SHR but I agree with you.
This may be getting worse not better.
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the guy was the secdef for 6 years and you are this bitter about a send off party?

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Ridiculous ceremonies, pomp and circumstance for WHAT??

Cost us taxpayers plenty, I'll bet!!
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When it's all said and done, the damage that Rumsfeld has done to America for waging utterly foolish wars will cost about a trillion dollars.

As for the damage done to America's reputation and world standing... priceless.
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He strutted around just like he didn't have a foot sticking in his ass!!

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No, SHR, every time they pull this kind of bushchit it costs PLENTY.

Remember that awful funeral display Nancy had to have for Ronnie? That was disgraceful asking the taxpayers to pay for that. Look!


LOL, every President gets a state funeral if they desire and with all the crap we waste plenty of money on, they should. Just tell the Clintards to pony up some of that China and Furniture those white trash took when they left, should be more than enough. Don't worry they'll still be plenty for your pals to give away to illegals to pay for their votes.



Sooooooooooo, just because any and every President's family can demand a $30 BILLION state funeral we should grab a box of our cheapest tissues and mourn? Mourn for the loss of tax dollars that would be better spent on humanitarian aid right here in our own country, SHR.

I happen to know people in Missouri who STILL AREN'T back in their homes. Sick and sad.

Just because it's legal (state funerals) it doesn't make it any less distasteful and crass.

But, back to the subject at hand.

How much did this wasteful bushchit cost and who were they telling to pluck off?




Psst...did ANYONE actually read the article I posted on Reagan??
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What're you slamming some egg nog shots? LOL. That article was bitching about Reagan spending 3 trillion and not on a funeral for real, it's mocking him because every Liberal doom prediction in his regard not only didn't come true, the exact opposite did. let's see.....OMG Tax cuts...ahhhhhhhhh we're gonna die....deficit spending! Ahhhhh! it'll be our descendants that will have to cough up a lung to pay for it ahhhhhhhhhh!!!! What actually happened?

Tax cuts in the 80's fueled one of the largest economic booms this country has ever seen and got us out of the Carter era recession, remember 20% interest rates? slashed by that and people could actually afford to buy a house again. OMG some defense contractors made money, gee who works for Grumman, Lockheed, Raytheon etc.? Der uh.....American people do? I sure did at the time, machine shops were actually hiring, fancy that. Also I believe there was this little thing called a computer that kinda took off around that time because why? Business didn't have a foot on it's throat because of those same tax cuts, there was actually some venture capital and the people with the big bucks didn't just leave there money sitting, they actually invested it, why? because suddenly it wasn't taxed to death, that money was allowed to work again and it did, the beginning of the dot com boom didn't come from burdensome taxes being poured into social programs to assist people who weren't working, it came from creating jobs and that came from allowing business to breath that's what brought our economy back, just like always and you LIbErals were bitchin the whole time, just like always.

You Liberal doom criers should at least thank Ronnie for turning our economic engine around for Clintard to ride on auto pilot for at least 7 years of his tenure and claim what an economic mastermind mind he was while actually doing squat, which was probably his best move since whenever he actually did do anything, he pretty much fucked it up. Then a 21 billion gun salute? Another sore point for Anti-war at all costs gut the defense of America Liberals...OMG Reagan is putting missiles in Europe...Ahhhhh!!!! Remember that frantic bawling? STAR WARS !!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!!!! That was some of your guys greatest totally out of control blubbering of all time! RONALD RAY GUN....Ahhhhhhhh!!! HE'S SINGLE HANDEDLY STARTING WWIII RIGHT BEFORE OUR EYES !!!! COWBOY !!!! Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!! What actually happened?

We spent money on defense, the horror, it actually created jobs here in THIS country, another horror, less reason to whine about not having a job and less reason to claim that we need to pour money into social programs that encourage people not to work and be owned by big nanny Gov't. It also cause Russia to try and keep up with us, they couldn't they tanked and they backed off and no more red menace like it used to be, another horror because we as a country actually became stronger, another thing you libs hate to see, a strong America that doesn't sip tea with the appeasotardical Eurosnots and converse over croissants about which new program is going to help out which group that hates us today and offer them our ass so they won't hate us anymore.

Just like your first Glorious Liberal move with your new congress is going to be to raise the minimum wage, which always and without a doubt increases un-employment, which if you don't know that, your Liberal leaders sure do. All your crying to spend more and more and more on Humanitarian aid only creates more and more and more people who would rather take that aid and not work and actually bust ass a little to take advantage of the awesome opportunities that are available in this country. The ideologies are polar opposites, one is tax the successful and pay out to the po people who can't make it, the other is cut taxes and let business thrive allow the economic engine to increase RPM's and create jobs by prosperity, big companies feed little companies and people make more money, keep more money, spend more money and it all self feeds and self perpetuates.

Both sides always end up creating more of what their base element are. Liberals create more people with their hand out because that becomes more profitable and conservatives create more people that are working and saying mean things like get a job and quit loafin, we're all making money out here and business is crankin, so quit bitchin. Un-like your typical Liberal whine that conservatives want to process poor people into soylent green fuel for our new GIANT SUV's we actually would rather see them working and not be Po people. People that actually cannot work because they are disables etc. we have always taken better care of than Libs historically anyway. I don't see to many Flower children out running toy and food drives etc. this year, it's always Cops, Fire Fighters, Bikers and businessmen, statistically always more conservative. I don't know why you want to bitch about GW so much anyway, he's been one of the least conservative spenders for a rebub in history. Spending tons and tons on Liberal Socialist style handouts and is certainly one of the most significant reasons that the Conservative Republican base is not supporting him as he would like.

You're really scraping the bottom of the barrel if this is all ya got to bitch about anyway. There never was and never will be a 30 billion dollar state funeral, LOL, step away from the nog, put down the glass and step away form the nog. You Libs won the congress and you got your Iraq surrender group report so you can dump Iraq into a shitcan and blame Republicans for it for a long long time.

You'll be able to bloat healthcare spending and train wreck that already crap system with a ton of Gov't spending and interventions that always work so well like Hilary's Shots for kids or whatever it was called that virtually wiped out all manufacturing of Flu vaccine with Gov't price controls. You'll get to raise the minimum wage and create unemployment and increase hand outs for that. You'll get to wipe out the tax cuts and bring back the death tax and the marriage penalty and raise taxes back to where they were when we were teetering on the verge of recession. You'll be able to hand out some more billions to those Katrina bums so they can continue to not work to rebuild their city. You'll be able to let illegal aliens get drivers licenses and use our hospitals as Mexico's healthcare system and pander up lots of votes by not making that oppressive "Show ID" when you vote disenfranchising tactic obsolete. You're gonna get to negotiate with soopa cool countries like Iran and Syria over the troubles in the middle east and you'll probably even get to give a few other cool guys some stuff for not doing what the world doesn't want them to like North Korea with their fire cracker.

The UN will get to influence more and more of our foreign policy decisions and that always works out to the better for us, like the oil for food program was just clickin right along. You'll get to pour tons more money into foreign "Aid" and Welfare and Healthcare and raise taxes, you're gonna get to cave in Iraq and finally let that country descend into shia sunni war like it's supposed to, you're gonna get to negotiate Iran and North Korea into only building a few dozen Nuclear weapons and give money away to everybody whether they are are legal citizen or not, so what's the problem?

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UPDATED ON THE 28th OF June, 2007
Please forward it to FBI or to AFP

Just going through some material I have notice Noordin please below.
NOORDIN MOHAMMAD TOP

My description of Noordin is (nickname is Top) height is 150 -155 tall, stocky build person with a fuller face. His hair is waving and uncared.
I am the founder of Pizza Haven Australian and International, I have been fortunate to discover these criminal terrorists and I wish we could do something URGENTLY before anymore-similar BALI terror hits our home in Australia.
I am very familiar with these inhumane people as I was given an opportunity by the man himself to work his network under no knowledge of who they are and when I discovered their identities, I resigned and since then I have been trying to make contact. See below the story and attached photos of some terrorist that I have in my possession.
Thank you
Gabriel
Please forward it to FBI or to AFP:: I have information on the following Terrorists including

OSAMA BIN LADEN or BIN LADEN
AYMAN AL ZAWAHRI
MOHAMMED ALI HAMADEI
ABDULLAH MOHAMMAD SHALLAH
IMAD FAYEZ MUGNIYAH

Just going through some material I have notice Noordin please below.
NOORDIN MOHAMMAD TOP

My description of Noordin is (nickname is Top) height is 150 -155 tall, stocky build person with a fuller face. His hair is waving and uncared.

Gabriel says: This face I have first seen at the time when my superior ask me to accompany him to check some work within the office building that was in the final stages of construction. This face was the person in charge, my superior was very angry with him due to the floor and other signage was not in compliance to the design from what I understood. He was shaking and trembling and he did not seem happy about my superior telling him that his work was not good. The last week before I resigned from this company, this face’s superior, ask me to go in to his office for a coffee. This face was there also and he strongly said to me in front of his superior that this company is not good and that he is going to resign at the end of the month and that he was going to work for himself.

Gabriel Christou Says:

PLEASE FORWARD THIS INFORMATION TO THE FBI OR TO THE AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL POLICE (AFP).
This is a break through to the Worlds Most Wanted Terrorist and his network. He is a kind of a businessperson that has his own office and employs about four hundred staff, mostly Muslims and few Chinese and Indians.
He has his own driver who is also a wanted person by the FBI and roams around in a latest model BMW seven series.
He is really a shy person but a good con man as it seems well educated and knowledgeable to induce others in return.
Knowing his family roots, he is instilled with terrorism at an early age as his great grand father was a successful business person in a foreign country at the time of slavery.
PLEASE FORWARD THIS INFORMATION TO THE FBI OR TO THE AUSTRALIAN FEDERAL POLICE (AFP).
Following six weeks working at this particular company in Bangkok, I very well know the source of these famous terrorists. Osama Bin Laden and the number two, (as it is known) are very much alive and well but appear frustrated and desperate at times.
Osama Bin Laden’s ego and orchestrated behavior, seems to lack experience and wisdom. His strengths are nothing more than a perception of many that he is rich and entrepreneurial. Perhaps, his disguise is his main strength, as he has avoided getting capture.
But, his time is up, as I know him very well and I know of his family roots and the source of his network.
Having to work with these terrorist for six weeks under no knowledge of who they are, I manage to acquire videos and photos through the line of work that I was to perform and that was to be the International assistance manager for all its food and drink outlets.
Please visit the web site below for details.
Please visit the web site below for details.
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Complaint ID I0704162158340152
Password PKSRcwEbNu
Firstly, Why am I kindly asking you to forward it, it is because I have tried many times over the past month and half to report to the Police as to my acquaintances and knowledge of these terrorists (as per the list shown below), but unfortunately I had no luck reaching the FBI or the AFP.
Secondly, Why am I unable to reach FBI or the AFP, it is because that any telephone numbers associated with making such reporting to the FBI or to the AFP, are controlled by the terrorists.
Here is to why I think terrorists control the communication, it is because when I try to telephone the local or the international offices of the FBI or the AFP, the person answering my calls, takes my message, that I would like to make a terrorist report tip and quotes back to me, that someone from the FBI will call me back.
That never happens and no one calls me back. Perhaps more fascinating, is the fact that when I try to send emails or browse the internet, my computer is hijacked.
When I browse the internet and try to open the FBI pages in particular, I am denied access and offer alternatives to where I am make believe theory in the use to what appears, the fake bronze technique to which the terrorist are capable of performing well under the vast recruitment of Indians IT professionals.
Thirdly, why am I still alive if terrorist know that I am trying to report them to the FBI and the AFP, it is because I have managed to survive two attempts.
The first attempt, they tried to head on collision while I was driving and I managed to escape unharmed. I was fortunate to see this car coming direct towards me and damage only the rear back panel of the drive’s side.
The second attempt was that they have tried desperately to make me believe that they were the Australian Federal Police from the Australian Embassy in Bangkok and they wanted me to go and see them and to meet Mr. Vic Stoykovski over a cup of coffee. I decline, as it seems strange that I should meet the police over a coffee.
It is now going into the third month that I am trying to report these terrorist. Day by day, I am keeping alert in avoiding any more their attempts to kill me. I have however considered trying to abort a plane to Australia but I fear for the safety of my Thai family and my two children that they become vulnerable targets.
You may ask why I have not reported to the local police, it is because in Thailand at present is under a Marshall Law. I think your answer lays in this circumstance.
SO, PLEASE TAKE THIS MATTER AS URGENT - URGENT
I have information on the following Terrorists including OSAMA BIN LADEN
OSAMA BIN LADEN or BIN LADEN
AYMAN AL ZAWAHRI
MOHAMMED ALI HAMADEI
ABDULLAH MOHAMMAD SHALLAH
IMAD FAYEZ MUGNIYAH
Just going through some material I have notice Noordin please below.
NOORDIN MOHAMMAD TOP
My life is in Danger because I know where these terrorist are and they know about it. I have been trying to contact FBI and Australian government for the past 45 days but I have been denied access. My phones are tap
PLEASE HELP
In respect to the story below, I have information that will lead you to a source that can assist in making a breakthrough into this case and perhaps other cases.
According to other world news that TMAmeritrade online was one of the banks that fell victims to the so call, hack, pump and dump swindled.
William j Gerber who is VP of TMAmeritrade was introduced to me during my third week at this company in Bangkok where I have worked for only 6 weeks. My superiors (one Indian origin and the other Lebanese) introduced him as a person who has 20 years experience in the fast food industry and lived in Saudi Arabia but Canadian descent.
Following this episode, I became very uncomfortable working at this place and decided to leave.
My curiosity let me to look further into this company while I was at home.
I was soon on to the FBI web page to see if they were stories or similar instances to the one.
Browsing through the top 25 most wanted terrorist, I was shocked to see quite a few faces that I could identify.
The first person I recognized was Mohammed Ali Hamadei under the Sunny Purswani, I met him when he visited the office as the Franchisee for Indonesia. Details of telephone numbers and addresses are available upon request.
The second person I recognized was Abdullah Mohammad Shallah under the name Hassan Bagir, I met him when my superiors ask me to take Mr. Hassan together with his friend whose name is Fauzy AbduLlah around to see few stores as they were the Franchisees for Maldives. Details of telephone numbers and addresses are available upon request.
In this case, in particular when the story below broke out, both Hassan and Fauzy called me on the cell phone while I was at home and ask me to go to dinner with them. I declined the offer and few days later they called me again and I have told them that it is not the right time. Few days later, they called me again. At this time, I began to call the American embassy in Bangkok on 02 205400 where I was told that someone will call me back, no one called me. An hour later, I called the Australian Embassy in Bangkok and the same- call back but no one called.
I then called FBI in America on 1 202 6477277 and the same- call back but no one called (voices were the same as the American Embassy in Bangkok)
The third person I recognized was Immad Fayez Mugniyah who works at the same company where I have worked. Details of telephone numbers and addresses are available upon request.
The forth person I recognized was Ayman Al Zawahiri under the name Ajit Raghav who calls me nearly everyday on my cell phone and today he called me in the morning to tell me that he was leaving the company (as he also works for the same company as I did).
My relationship with Ajit is very open in talking about all these and he often says that he joined the company to assist in developing the food business but things did not worked out. He also says to me that I cannot escape of who I am, and he is very well aware that I know who he is but continues to treat me like a friend. Details of telephone numbers and addresses are available upon request.
I hope the above information has provided enough evidence.
Thank you in advance
Gabriel Christou
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I have attended a talk by David Shayler, the MI5 agent turned whistleblower when he discovered that the UK government had funded a known Islamic terrorist group in order as part of a deal for them killing Gadaffi. They did were going to kill him by planting a bomb under his car. They did... but they got the wrong car and 11 innocent people died.

This took place in the 1990s. They gave the main terrorist $40 000.

Well, he didn't understand WHY the UK and US government were funding this until he realised through inside information that infact it was regime change. Not to get rid of Gadaffi, but because the incoming group would be radicals and would therefore justify the US invading Libya and... you guessed it, taking control of their oil as well as having one of the most strategic pieces of land in the Middle East on which to build their bases.

The failure meant that Gadaffi survived and the invasion could not take place.

But that's not the most amazinf insight that Shayler has. Even more than this is how 911 was a failed operation. Failed? But it was perfect! The buildings came down!

Yes... but we didn't see the entire game. It's been staring us in the face all this time but it took a brilliant mind with inside information (access to the most classified of intelligence documents) to piece it together. Shayler really is that intelligent. Spend 5 minutes with him and you will see what I mean.

Well, the end game was this: Flight 93 was to land on the Whitehouse. You see, under US law at the time, if that happened, it would be martial law in the US and under those conditions, the entire 911 plot could have been completely tidied up, all the evidence buried. We would not be able to have the 911 truth movement today. Anyone claiming that it was an inside job would be so far out on the extremes of conspiracy theory that they would never be taken seriously and certainly must less of the material available today would have been available to the truth movement.

Now we KNOW that this was planned (martial law) because on the 10th Nov 2001 it had been put in the MSM! There were articles published to the American people about how martial law could be enacted in the event of the US government (Washington DC) being attacked directly. So the US population was actually PRIMED for that.

Not only that, but the antrax attacks DID attack the US government, only it was too late then to declare martial law so Plan B didn't bail them out either. And worse, the antrax was traced by the FBI to US laboratories where on a few select personnel had access to it so it was undeniably and inside job. Which is why the headlines claiming that the anthrax was Iraqi played enough to imprint the mantra in the population's minds, then the entire anthrax hoax was made to quietly and quickly disappear.

So what went wrong?

The shooting down of 93 was a renegade action by a true American hero officer and the pilot that did the deed. The order to shoot down WAS NOT GIVEN. I.e. The inaction was there to guarantee the Whitehouse would be hit. Instead of the lies in the movie "United 93", the real hero of 911 was indeed associated with flight 93 coming down but it was not some fictious all American man in the street blued eyed boys. The real hero remains unknown. Anonymous. Denied. The real hero was the officer that saw the no-shoot as a NORAD botch and did his job and had that aircraft shot down.

The entire planet owes that man its thanks. I wonder if he even lived through the day? They may well have shot him on sight.

Now, I haven't researched this but I am willing to bet good money that if you go back in the news archives, you will find that NONE of the important people were in the Whitehouse on 911. You may even find Bush opponents WERE in the Whitehouse that day!

Not only that, but as Shayler points out, Jeb Bush jumped the gun. He declared martial law too soon in Florida. There was no reason for that declaration and it's one of those key facts that the 911 truth movement has missed. It's key fact for prosecuting as conspiracy to the murders, Jeb Bush as well as the usual suspects in the Administration. It's the smoking gun against Jeb Bush being an insider.

But the "failure" in NORAD and the other points of control, i.e. the things that were meant to allow 93 to hit the Whitehouse were undone by a quick thinking officer who ordered the plane to be taken down. 93 was, to use Shayler's term, a key failure in the plot. A cockup that, to quote Shayler "they simply didn't expect or plan for this".

When you realise this truth, suddenly many of the loose ends click into place. Suddenly, so much makes sense. So many of the Bush "incompetancies" are shown to be not incompetance, but quickstepping out a contingency. The inept neoCon scrambling and bumbling of the invasion is suddenly very clearly a group of well rehearsed, well disciplined, well planned people wrongfooted by the most unexpected of cockups.

Flight 93 is where 911 went wrong for them. And one of the reasons that the propaganda around that plane was in overdrive. United 93 the film, the stories of the heros, the only "black box that survived"... all these were disctractions. Very clever distractions. You see, by keeping the "was is shot down" debate going as an initial catch point for the sheep backed up by the "how come the mobile phones worked?" as the catch point for those not fooled by the first catch point, no-one got thinking about the actual flight itself and the key role it played. No-one has been thinking about the possibility that it was a monumental cockup that the plotters simply hadn't accounted for. No-one has been thinking "what if it had reached its target, what would have happened?". And that's clever human manipulation for you. That's really clever brains thinking at high speed to bail out of a catastrophe.

But 93 went badly wrong for the plotters. Because it gave that little window of opportunity for the truth movement to see the faults in the story, see the holes in the evidence and start to question the official line. Martial law was meant to ensure that no questions could be asked, no evidence could survive and no-one would have the time to ask because of what was meant to immediately follow. The sequence of events would have been so swift that we would be focussed now on the fallout of the WMD use that was almost certainly in the plan. 911 would be a minor footnote that no-one would be interested in by now.

Had 93 reached "mission complete". Had martial law been declared, complete control over the media, release of information and the cleanup (getting rid of the evidence) would have happened and bingo! The entire 911 plot would have played out and the world right now would have been a completely different place. Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan probably would have had nuclear weapons used against them to simply "solve the problem". With the US government "wiped out", no-one would have either held the Bush crowd accoutable nor have the ability to even if they tried.

Which explains another anomally about the plot: How the neoCons so totally screwed up the invasions without an exit strategy. The visible evidence being the mess that Iraq is in with the US having its butt kicked.

See, they never needed an exit strategy because they were never going to invade the way that they were forced to. That was NOT the plan. The plan was to use the overwhelming force of American super weapons in quick, lethal blows that the world would have had to stand by and accept because the US government itself would have been directly attacked, possibly with key opponents to the WH wiped out as part of the deal. Who would stop the US? Indeed, who would even BLAME the US?

Their original plan was perfect. It was a good plan. I was a perfect plan.

There was no need to plant a passport. There was no need to explain 911. If you don't explain then there are no holes in the story because there simply is no story. Your cover is perfect. No 911 commission, no NIST scrambling to prove the impossible, no questions about WTC7. Nothing to attack the neoCon agenda with because no accountability given because under martial law, the US government would be unassailable.

And that also explains those massive FEMA detention camps that GLP was so hyped up about many years ago. We were all mystified as to why they were being built. Now it's clear! Even under martial law there would have been those who didn't agree with the neoCons. Those detention camps would have been filled with these dissidents.

Sit back and think of all the odd behaviour that has puzzled us about the BushCo. How they seem to have wrongfooted themselves all the time. And think about how things would have been different in 93 had hit its target. It all makes perfect sense.

Behind the scenes there must have been frantic redrawing of plans. Years and years of careful, step by step detail was trashed when that missile hit 93. And because of that, errors were made. And because of THAT, we have the truth movement and the very real chance to expose this hoax and nail the guilty party.

Which could be why Bush bought into Paraguay.

Also, look at where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Bremer and all the other PNAC players were on the day. Look at their actions. In the light of what was EXPECTED to happen, it all makes sense. Perfect, perfect sense.

This is a startling revelation by Shayler and an absolute lynchpin in understanding 911 and what has followed. It explains so much, ties up so many loose ends and just fits the picture so well, even down to the reactions of the people involved, that it really is the only credible missing piece.

And more still, it's clear that the recycling deal must have been planned months before for the steel shipments from the 911 demolition. All that executed perfectly. But rather than it being a secret kept "for security reasons" away from any public knowledge for decades to come, maybe even centuries, it's now in the open. And one more item to point at the guilty parties with.

For me personally, it's the effectiveness of the psyops of 93 that gets me. How the diversion has worked so extremely well, How the realisation of how 911 was actually a massive cockup simply hasn't featured anywhere up until now.

That makes me shake my head in admiration for the brains that pulled it together. Real professionals. Nasty, evil, but so very clever.
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I have attended a talk by David Shayler, the MI5 agent turned whistleblower when he discovered that the UK government had funded a known Islamic terrorist group in order as part of a deal for them killing Gadaffi. They did were going to kill him by planting a bomb under his car. They did... but they got the wrong car and 11 innocent people died.

This took place in the 1990s. They gave the main terrorist $40 000.

Well, he didn't understand WHY the UK and US government were funding this until he realised through inside information that infact it was regime change. Not to get rid of Gadaffi, but because the incoming group would be radicals and would therefore justify the US invading Libya and... you guessed it, taking control of their oil as well as having one of the most strategic pieces of land in the Middle East on which to build their bases.

The failure meant that Gadaffi survived and the invasion could not take place.

But that's not the most amazinf insight that Shayler has. Even more than this is how 911 was a failed operation. Failed? But it was perfect! The buildings came down!

Yes... but we didn't see the entire game. It's been staring us in the face all this time but it took a brilliant mind with inside information (access to the most classified of intelligence documents) to piece it together. Shayler really is that intelligent. Spend 5 minutes with him and you will see what I mean.

Well, the end game was this: Flight 93 was to land on the Whitehouse. You see, under US law at the time, if that happened, it would be martial law in the US and under those conditions, the entire 911 plot could have been completely tidied up, all the evidence buried. We would not be able to have the 911 truth movement today. Anyone claiming that it was an inside job would be so far out on the extremes of conspiracy theory that they would never be taken seriously and certainly must less of the material available today would have been available to the truth movement.

Now we KNOW that this was planned (martial law) because on the 10th Nov 2001 it had been put in the MSM! There were articles published to the American people about how martial law could be enacted in the event of the US government (Washington DC) being attacked directly. So the US population was actually PRIMED for that.

Not only that, but the antrax attacks DID attack the US government, only it was too late then to declare martial law so Plan B didn't bail them out either. And worse, the antrax was traced by the FBI to US laboratories where on a few select personnel had access to it so it was undeniably and inside job. Which is why the headlines claiming that the anthrax was Iraqi played enough to imprint the mantra in the population's minds, then the entire anthrax hoax was made to quietly and quickly disappear.

So what went wrong?

The shooting down of 93 was a renegade action by a true American hero officer and the pilot that did the deed. The order to shoot down WAS NOT GIVEN. I.e. The inaction was there to guarantee the Whitehouse would be hit. Instead of the lies in the movie "United 93", the real hero of 911 was indeed associated with flight 93 coming down but it was not some fictious all American man in the street blued eyed boys. The real hero remains unknown. Anonymous. Denied. The real hero was the officer that saw the no-shoot as a NORAD botch and did his job and had that aircraft shot down.

The entire planet owes that man its thanks. I wonder if he even lived through the day? They may well have shot him on sight.

Now, I haven't researched this but I am willing to bet good money that if you go back in the news archives, you will find that NONE of the important people were in the Whitehouse on 911. You may even find Bush opponents WERE in the Whitehouse that day!

Not only that, but as Shayler points out, Jeb Bush jumped the gun. He declared martial law too soon in Florida. There was no reason for that declaration and it's one of those key facts that the 911 truth movement has missed. It's key fact for prosecuting as conspiracy to the murders, Jeb Bush as well as the usual suspects in the Administration. It's the smoking gun against Jeb Bush being an insider.

But the "failure" in NORAD and the other points of control, i.e. the things that were meant to allow 93 to hit the Whitehouse were undone by a quick thinking officer who ordered the plane to be taken down. 93 was, to use Shayler's term, a key failure in the plot. A cockup that, to quote Shayler "they simply didn't expect or plan for this".

When you realise this truth, suddenly many of the loose ends click into place. Suddenly, so much makes sense. So many of the Bush "incompetancies" are shown to be not incompetance, but quickstepping out a contingency. The inept neoCon scrambling and bumbling of the invasion is suddenly very clearly a group of well rehearsed, well disciplined, well planned people wrongfooted by the most unexpected of cockups.

Flight 93 is where 911 went wrong for them. And one of the reasons that the propaganda around that plane was in overdrive. United 93 the film, the stories of the heros, the only "black box that survived"... all these were disctractions. Very clever distractions. You see, by keeping the "was is shot down" debate going as an initial catch point for the sheep backed up by the "how come the mobile phones worked?" as the catch point for those not fooled by the first catch point, no-one got thinking about the actual flight itself and the key role it played. No-one has been thinking about the possibility that it was a monumental cockup that the plotters simply hadn't accounted for. No-one has been thinking "what if it had reached its target, what would have happened?". And that's clever human manipulation for you. That's really clever brains thinking at high speed to bail out of a catastrophe.

But 93 went badly wrong for the plotters. Because it gave that little window of opportunity for the truth movement to see the faults in the story, see the holes in the evidence and start to question the official line. Martial law was meant to ensure that no questions could be asked, no evidence could survive and no-one would have the time to ask because of what was meant to immediately follow. The sequence of events would have been so swift that we would be focussed now on the fallout of the WMD use that was almost certainly in the plan. 911 would be a minor footnote that no-one would be interested in by now.

Had 93 reached "mission complete". Had martial law been declared, complete control over the media, release of information and the cleanup (getting rid of the evidence) would have happened and bingo! The entire 911 plot would have played out and the world right now would have been a completely different place. Iran, Syria, Iraq, North Korea, Afghanistan probably would have had nuclear weapons used against them to simply "solve the problem". With the US government "wiped out", no-one would have either held the Bush crowd accoutable nor have the ability to even if they tried.

Which explains another anomally about the plot: How the neoCons so totally screwed up the invasions without an exit strategy. The visible evidence being the mess that Iraq is in with the US having its butt kicked.

See, they never needed an exit strategy because they were never going to invade the way that they were forced to. That was NOT the plan. The plan was to use the overwhelming force of American super weapons in quick, lethal blows that the world would have had to stand by and accept because the US government itself would have been directly attacked, possibly with key opponents to the WH wiped out as part of the deal. Who would stop the US? Indeed, who would even BLAME the US?

Their original plan was perfect. It was a good plan. I was a perfect plan.

There was no need to plant a passport. There was no need to explain 911. If you don't explain then there are no holes in the story because there simply is no story. Your cover is perfect. No 911 commission, no NIST scrambling to prove the impossible, no questions about WTC7. Nothing to attack the neoCon agenda with because no accountability given because under martial law, the US government would be unassailable.

And that also explains those massive FEMA detention camps that GLP was so hyped up about many years ago. We were all mystified as to why they were being built. Now it's clear! Even under martial law there would have been those who didn't agree with the neoCons. Those detention camps would have been filled with these dissidents.

Sit back and think of all the odd behaviour that has puzzled us about the BushCo. How they seem to have wrongfooted themselves all the time. And think about how things would have been different in 93 had hit its target. It all makes perfect sense.

Behind the scenes there must have been frantic redrawing of plans. Years and years of careful, step by step detail was trashed when that missile hit 93. And because of that, errors were made. And because of THAT, we have the truth movement and the very real chance to expose this hoax and nail the guilty party.

Which could be why Bush bought into Paraguay.

Also, look at where Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, Wolfowitz, Bremer and all the other PNAC players were on the day. Look at their actions. In the light of what was EXPECTED to happen, it all makes sense. Perfect, perfect sense.

This is a startling revelation by Shayler and an absolute lynchpin in understanding 911 and what has followed. It explains so much, ties up so many loose ends and just fits the picture so well, even down to the reactions of the people involved, that it really is the only credible missing piece.

And more still, it's clear that the recycling deal must have been planned months before for the steel shipments from the 911 demolition. All that executed perfectly. But rather than it being a secret kept "for security reasons" away from any public knowledge for decades to come, maybe even centuries, it's now in the open. And one more item to point at the guilty parties with.

For me personally, it's the effectiveness of the psyops of 93 that gets me. How the diversion has worked so extremely well, How the realisation of how 911 was actually a massive cockup simply hasn't featured anywhere up until now.

That makes me shake my head in admiration for the brains that pulled it together. Real professionals. Nasty, evil, but so very clever.
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