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Jimmy Carter, American Hero :flag waver:

Former President Carter blames media's 'pro-Israel bias' on AIPAC and 'Christians like me'

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In a letter addressed to Jewish citizens of America, former President Jimmy Carter explains the media's "pro-Israel bias" partly on a powerful lobbying organization which faces no "significant countervailing voices," but primarily puts the blame on "Christians like me."

Carter's recently published book, Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid, has caused a "stir," which was "partly intentional," the former president told Newsweek.

"One of the purposes of the book was to provoke discussion, which is very rarely heard in this country, and to open up some possibility that we could rejuvenate or restart the peace talks in Israel that have been absent for six years—so that was the purpose of the book," Carter told Newsweek's Eleanor Clift.

Carter also told the magazine that the "effectiveness" and "powerful influence" of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) has resulted in more "inhibited" debates in the United States than nearly anywhere else.

"In this country, any sort of debate back and forth, any sort of incisive editorial comment in the major newspapers, is almost completely absent," Carter said.

"And any member of Congress who's looking to be re-elected couldn't possibly say that they would take a balanced position between Israel and the Palestinians, or that they would insist on Israel withdrawing to international borders, or that they would dedicate themselves to protect human rights of Palestinians—it's very likely that they would not be re-elected," Carter added.

In the letter addressed to American Jews, Carter also includes Christians like himself for limiting the debate.

"I made it clear that I have never claimed that American Jews control the news media, but reiterated that the overwhelming bias for Israel comes from among Christians like me who have been taught since childhood to honor and protect God's chosen people from among whom came our own savior, Jesus Christ," Carter writes.

"An additional factor, especially in the political arena, is the powerful influence of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which is exercising its legitimate goal of explaining the current policies of Israel's government and arousing maximum support in our country," Carter continues.

"There are no significant countervailing voices," Carter regrets.

Full text of Carter's letter:

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A letter to Jewish citizens of America

During my recent book tour I signed more than 100,000 books and was interviewed on 100 news media outlets.* The high point for me was a meeting with leaders of the Board of Rabbis of Greater Phoenix, who announced before my arrival that they would demonstrate against my book. When they invited me to meet with them, I accepted immediately. The six rabbis (three men and three women) and I were the only ones present except for a camera crew under the direction of Jonathan Demme, who was making a documentary about me and the work of The Carter Center. Demme reported that there was an equally large group of Jewish citizens demonstrating in support of the book and its call for a path to peace.

We first discussed the peace treaty I negotiated between Israel and Egypt in 1979, and the Holocaust Commission I announced on Israel's 30th birthday. Five of them had read my book completely and one partially, and I answered their questions about the text and title of PALESTINE PEACE NOT APARTHEID. I emphasized, as I had throughout the tour, that the book was about conditions and events in the Palestinian territories and not in Israel, where a democracy exists with all the freedoms we enjoy in our country and Israeli Jews and Arabs are legally guaranteed the same rights as citizens.

We discussed the word "apartheid," which I defined as the forced segregation of two peoples living in the same land, with one of them dominating and persecuting the other. I made clear in the book's text and in my response to the rabbis that the system of apartheid in Palestine is not based on racism but the desire of a minority of Israelis for Palestinian land and the resulting suppression of protests that involve violence. Bishop Tutu, Nelson Mandela, and prominent Israelis, including former attorney general Ben Yair, who served under both Labor and Likud prime ministers, have used and explained the appellation in harsher terms than I, pointing out that this cruel oppression is contrary to the tenets of the Jewish faith and the basic principles of the nation of Israel.

Having traveled throughout the Holy Land during the past 33 years, especially within the occupied areas, I was qualified to describe the situation from my own personal observations. In addition, The Carter Center has monitored the Palestinian elections of 1996, 2005, and 2006, which required a thorough and intimate involvement with Palestinian citizens, candidates, public officials, and also the top political leaders of Israel who controlled checkpoints throughout the West Bank and Gaza and all facets of the elections in East Jerusalem.

I made it clear that I have never claimed that American Jews control the news media, but reiterated that the overwhelming bias for Israel comes from among Christians like me who have been taught since childhood to honor and protect God's chosen people from among whom came our own savior, Jesus Christ. An additional factor, especially in the political arena, is the powerful influence of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, which is exercising its legitimate goal of explaining the current policies of Israel's government and arousing maximum support in our country. There are no significant countervailing voices.

I am familiar with the extreme acts of violence that have been perpetrated against innocent civilians, and understand the fear among many Israelis that threats against their safety and even their existence as a nation still exist. I reiterated my strong condemnation of any such acts of terrorism.

When asked my proposals for peace in the Middle East, I summarized by calling for Hamas members and all other Palestinians to renounce violence and adopt the same commitment made by the Arab nations in 2002: the full recognition of Israel's right to exist in peace within its legally recognized 1967 borders (to be modified by mutual agreement by land swaps). This would comply with U.N. Resolutions, the official policy of the United States, commitments made at Camp David in 1978 and in Oslo in 1993, and the premises of the International Quartet's "Roadmap for Peace." An immediate step would be the resumption of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, now absent for six years. President Mahmoud Abbas is the official spokesman for the Palestinians, as head of the Palestinian National Authority and the Palestine Liberation Organization, and has repeatedly called for peace talks. I asked the rabbis to join in an effort to induce the Israeli government to comply with this proposal.

In addition, I pointed out that the Palestinian people were being deprived of the necessities of life by economic restrictions imposed on them by Israel and the United States because 42% had voted for Hamas candidates in the most recent election. Teachers, nurses, policemen, firemen, and other employees are not being paid, and the U.N. has reported that food supplies in Gaza are equivalent to those among the poorest families in sub-Sahara Africa with half the families surviving on one meal a day. My other request was that American Jewish citizens help to alleviate their plight.

The chairman of the group, Rabbi Andrew Straus, then suggested that I make clear to all American Jews that my use of "apartheid" does not apply to circumstances within Israel, that I acknowledge the deep concern of Israelis about the threat of terrorism and other acts of violence from some Palestinians, and that the majority of Israelis sincerely want a peaceful existence with their neighbors. The purpose of this letter is to reiterate these points.

We then held hands in a circle while one of the rabbis prayed, I autographed copies of my book as requested, and Chaplain (Colonel) Rabbi Bonnie Koppell gave me a prayer book.

I have spent a great deal of my adult life trying to bring peace to Israel, and my own prayer is that all of us who want to see Israelis enjoy permanent peace with their neighbors join in this common effort.

Sincerely,

Jimmy Carter
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and he's right.
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He the best known celebrity to speak out so far, so he's definitely important.
I only hope he knows how to protect himself against all those sneaky microwave attacks.
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Why not kick the 2% out?
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Why not indeed.

They have their own country now. Which WE paid for.

Why don't they want to live there????
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'and my own prayer is that all of us who want to see Israelis enjoy permanent peace with their neighbors join in this common effort.'



The arabs, will NEVER NEVER NEVER accept the permanant presence of israel in their mids't.

Jimmy Carter is a niieve and dangerous idiot - who doesn't seem to understand the first thing about the middle east!
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Jimmy Carter is a niieve and dangerous idiot - who doesn't seem to understand the first thing about the middle east!
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The Jew, of course, is an "expert" on this subject. He is an "expert" on ALL subjects.

By the way Jimmy. The Jew DOES control the news media. But I'm pretty sure you knew that.

[link to www.nationalvanguard.org]
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This is a anti-semitic jewhater thread! You, YES you ALL are jewhaters. This includes the OP, as well as mr. jimmy carter and all off you posting here! I call for a banning and deletion of this thread! Or we will take legal action against you!!!!!!
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Why not kick the 2% out?


Why not indeed.

They have their own country now. Which WE paid for.

Why don't they want to live there????
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Uh, the 2%, as you call them, are AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!!

Racist imbecile..
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The arabs, will NEVER NEVER NEVER accept the permanant presence of israel in their mids't.

Jimmy Carter is a niieve and dangerous idiot - who doesn't seem to understand the first thing about the middle east!
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Jimmy Carter is a NWO stooge - one of the main players responsible for this whole mess...
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Why not indeed.

They have their own country now. Which WE paid for.

Why don't they want to live there????

Uh, the 2%, as you call them, are AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!!

Imbecile..
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Uh, I would call them TRAITORS!!!!!

Idiot..
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This is a anti-semitic jewhater thread! You, YES you ALL are jewhaters. This includes the OP, as well as mr. jimmy carter and all off you posting here! I call for a banning and deletion of this thread! Or we will take legal action against you!!!!!!
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would you like some wine with that cheese?


the jews killed jesus! and dont forget that they still laugh at you for "believing" he will return.
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Why not kick the 2% out?


Why not indeed.

They have their own country now. Which WE paid for.

Why don't they want to live there????

Uh, the 2%, as you call them, are AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!!

Imbecile..

Uh, I would call them TRAITORS!!!!!

Idiot..
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And I think you're a racist and should be deported - how's that sound????
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Uh, the 2%, as you call them, are AMERICAN CITIZENS!!!!!

Imbecile..
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They are DUAL citizens, Moish.

Every Jew who meets the standards of racial purity (Jewish mother) set forth by the Israeli state is automatically eligible for Israeli citizenship.

So every Jewish "American" is also an Israeli citizen.

Which leads us to the likelyhood of conflicts of interest and potential subversive activities on the part of these Jews if the Israeli/American relationship should sour for some reason (like treason committed by Jews in high places, for instance).

Here's a loyalty question for you, Moishe.

If America and Israel went to war with each other, who would you fight for?
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Here's a loyalty question for you, Moishe.

If America and Israel went to war with each other, who would you fight for?
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Moishe? If there was a conflict - the first thing I would do is kick you in the balls - if you have any...

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Moishe? If there was a conflict - the first thing I would do is kick you in the balls - if you have any...

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Tough question, isn't it?

Moish.

I can understand your reluctance to provide a straight answer.

Joan Rivers once asked that very same question, when she had a radio talk show in New York.

The answers were very enlightening.

Joan herself said she'd fight for Israel.

A true "American" if there ever was one, that Joanie.
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Five posts out of 17 here are from the gog apologist, that's almost a third.
When will you stop your pityful thread hi-jacking?
I am here to challenge your indoctrinated false belief that flaming queens don't use shovels ...
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What's up?
The F**k Jimmy thread draws more replies than this one?

I think they should delete some of the more useless posts here.
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The one who will bring peace to the region will be hailed as a savior of mankind, falsely.

Any megalomaniac knows this.

Answer this: Why the obsession?
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The one who will bring peace to the region will be hailed as a savior of mankind, falsely.

Any megalomaniac knows this.

Answer this: Why the obsession?
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The obsession with peace?
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The obsession with peace?
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If the obsession is for peace, why is this obsession not applied equally to all places on the globe?

The obsession is not with peace. The obsession has to do with ego.

Try again...
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Those who Dare Criticize Israel or hold Israel accountable for their Actions - Must be DESTROYED!!!

Carter MUST be DESTROYED -
for daring to Reveal the TRUTH
of the treatment of Palestinians -

Like Aparthied S Africa & like Concentration Camps.

UN MUST be DESTROYED -
For daring to hold Israel accountable to the LAW & Tenets of the UN Charter & the over 100 Resolutions that Israel Ignores & even More that the USA, DUPE for Israel, Vetoed.

Criticize Israel with the TRUTH - You will be DESTROYED!!!

Daniel

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We need more high profile people not afraid to speak the Truth....Go Jimmie Go
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Those who Dare Criticize Israel or hold Israel accountable for their Actions - Must be DESTROYED!!!

Carter MUST be DESTROYED -
for daring to Reveal the TRUTH
of the treatment of Palestinians -

Like Aparthied S Africa & like Concentration Camps.

UN MUST be DESTROYED -
For daring to hold Israel accountable to the LAW & Tenets of the UN Charter & the over 100 Resolutions that Israel Ignores & even More that the USA, DUPE for Israel, Vetoed.

Criticize Israel with the TRUTH - You will be DESTROYED!!!

Daniel

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See?

Unbalanced obsession.
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Jimmy Carter, American Hero :flag waver:

Former President Carter blames media's 'pro-Israel bias' on AIPAC and 'Christians like me'

[link to www.rawstory.com]

In addition, I pointed out that the Palestinian people were being deprived of the necessities of life by economic restrictions imposed on them by Israel and the United States because 42% had voted for Hamas candidates in the most recent election. Teachers, nurses, policemen, firemen, and other employees are not being paid,

Sincerely,

Jimmy Carter
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"Palestinian people were being deprived of the necessities of life by economic restrictions"

"Teachers, nurses, policemen, firemen, and other employees are not being paid,"


Why do I have to pay their salary?

Maybe Mr. Carter can take care of them.

goaway jihad
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"Palestinian people were being deprived of the necessities of life by economic restrictions"

"Teachers, nurses, policemen, firemen, and other employees are not being paid,"


Why do I have to pay their salary?

Maybe Mr. Carter can take care of them.

goaway jihad
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I agree, we should cut off all funding to the Middle East. That includes Israel.
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"Palestinian people were being deprived of the necessities of life by economic restrictions"

"Teachers, nurses, policemen, firemen, and other employees are not being paid,"


Why do I have to pay their salary?

Maybe Mr. Carter can take care of them.

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I agree, we should cut off all funding to the Middle East. That includes Israel.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 171094

Arabs will be funding arabs,

and we will be funding Israel.


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