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FEDERAL APPEALS COURT: PEOPLE DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO CONCEAL CARRY!!!!!

 
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Open carry is still good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24332387


Open carry is prohibited in most locales in California.

Most locales in California will not issue concealed-carry permits to the average citizen.

Therein lies the problem, and the reason for the original lawsuit.

If the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of citizens to bear arms, how may they do so, if they have no option to carry openly or carry concealed where they live?
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Open carry is still good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24332387


Open carry is prohibited in most locales in California.

Most locales in California will not issue concealed-carry permits to the average citizen.

Therein lies the problem, and the reason for the original lawsuit.

If the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of citizens to bear arms, how may they do so, if they have no option to carry openly or carry concealed where they live?
 Quoting: Crunch62


I live in Sac county and am waiting on my permit right now. i have no idea how this verdict affects me thoug
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Remember when Obama was pro 2nd amendment?

..right up until after the 2nd term election.


Manipulation and agenda much?
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Self defense is NOT a good enough reason?

Wow.

And they're importing potential terrorists by the thousands.

Go, Trump!!!!
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Open carry is still good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24332387


Open carry is prohibited in most locales in California.

Most locales in California will not issue concealed-carry permits to the average citizen.

Therein lies the problem, and the reason for the original lawsuit.

If the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of citizens to bear arms, how may they do so, if they have no option to carry openly or carry concealed where they live?
 Quoting: Crunch62


I live in Sac county and am waiting on my permit right now. i have no idea how this verdict affects me thoug
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34331288


Yeah, I heard the Sac Sheriff was good for issuing based on 'self-defense' as good cause, but read recently he might be replaced due to running for another office. Who knows what a replacement Sheriff might do.

I'm up in Butte county and it has always been pretty much 'shall issue' here for non-prohibited citizens. All it would take would be a liberal Sheriff or police chief to turn it around though.

I feel bad for those in So Cal, where some locales were improving issuance after the original Peruta decision. Today's announcement will allow them to go back to their evil ways.

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People are very close to telling the courts to go fuck off
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lmao Come and get it! lmao
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SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — A federal appeals court says people do not have a right to carry concealed weapons in public under the 2nd Amendment.

An 11-judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued the ruling Thursday.

The panel says law enforcement officials can require applicants for a concealed weapons permit to show they are in immediate danger or otherwise have a good reason for a permit beyond self-defense.

The decision overturned a 2014 ruling by a smaller 9th Circuit panel.

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"THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

The judge is a traitor and needs to stand trial for treason against the constitution of the United States, and it's people.

The constitution doesn't state that you must "demonstrate that they are in immediate danger", in order to bear arms.

In fact, immediate danger COMES WITHOUT WARNING!
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What part of that don't these motherfuckers get??
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the ferral gov can say anythink and it will happen unless you fuck this private company off
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Self defense is NOT a good enough reason?

Wow.

And they're importing potential terrorists by the thousands.

Go, Trump!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70619332


Yep... They are doing all this while they import terrorists and use the media and Hollywood to agitate blacks and Mexicans into a violent frenzy.
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Most places it is a privilege.

You pat a tax and the sheriff gives you a piece of paper.
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Open carry is still good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24332387


Open carry is prohibited in most locales in California.

Most locales in California will not issue concealed-carry permits to the average citizen.

Therein lies the problem, and the reason for the original lawsuit.

If the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of citizens to bear arms, how may they do so, if they have no option to carry openly or carry concealed where they live?
 Quoting: Crunch62


I live in Sac county and am waiting on my permit right now. i have no idea how this verdict affects me thoug
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 34331288


Yeah, I heard the Sac Sheriff was good for issuing based on 'self-defense' as good cause, but read recently he might be replaced due to running for another office. Who knows what a replacement Sheriff might do.

I'm up in Butte county and it has always been pretty much 'shall issue' here for non-prohibited citizens. All it would take would be a liberal Sheriff or police chief to turn it around though.

I feel bad for those in So Cal, where some locales were improving issuance after the original Peruta decision. Today's announcement will allow them to go back to their evil ways.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Yeah, hes awesome. I actually had a chance to talk with him and he told me point blank, "we can't protect you. Just don't shoot anyone in the back" <--verbatim
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Remember when Obama was pro 2nd amendment?

..right up until after the 2nd term election.


Manipulation and agenda much?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 50023508


If you know ONE thing... Know THIS:

A communist will tell you ANYTHING in order to forward their agenda. "The end justifies the means".

That is how these demonic pukes live their life. Lying is all part of their everyday life. They will tell you ANYTHING, no matter how ridiculous or deceptive.

There is NOTHING that a communist will not do. Especially a communist Muslim.
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They pick and choose which laws they want to obey.
Well that sets precedence.

We all now have the right to pick and choose.

As for me....pick
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People are very close to telling the courts to go fuck off
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More people are coming to the realization that unjust and unconstitutional laws are...well...unjust and unconstitutional and as such, are invalid.

I swore an oath to protect and defend the US Constitution, and intend to honor that oath.
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Willfully and openly ignore any and all idiocy that contradicts natural law.

Cowardly compliance to man made idiocy always results in slavery.
Some Will. Some won't. So.......
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Cool, so I'm gonna just follow Obama's lead and disregard the court decisions I dont agree with, starting with this one
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clappaclappaclappa
 Quoting: OKOathkeeper


That's been my thought from the beginning of this post. He does IT ALL THE TIME, SO WHY NOT!!!
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Because Obama won't go to prison for disregarding laws, but you will.

Be careful, my friends.
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Well this forces the issue now to the Supreme Court.

California Appellate Court cannot rewrite the Constitution.

I don't look at this as a defeat for the 2nd Amendment. I see this as the fight we want at the Supreme Court level. I don't even really care that they are making the issue about open carry vs. concealed carry.

Look - California can't have it their own way. They cannot interpret the 2nd Amendment differently than the rest of the country. Isn't that what the Supreme Court said when they passed gay marriage? Despite the fact that we here in Oklahoma had the definition of marriage as a man and a woman written into our state Constitution?

So - The Supreme Court will have to rule on this. If the Supreme Court rules as they did in DC vs Heller that the 2nd Amendment does provide the citizenry the right to carry.....then California will be forced to allow it.

If - The Supreme Court rules in favor of this appellate judge that the 2nd Amendment does not grant the citizenry the right to carry.....then it is game on!!

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Obutthole strikes again?
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Open carry is still good.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24332387


Open carry is prohibited in most locales in California.

Most locales in California will not issue concealed-carry permits to the average citizen.

Therein lies the problem, and the reason for the original lawsuit.

If the 2nd Amendment guarantees the right of citizens to bear arms, how may they do so, if they have no option to carry openly or carry concealed where they live?
 Quoting: Crunch62


carry concealed anyway. Thousands of criminals do.
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People are very close to telling the courts to go fuck off
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6147536


Quite true. These feral judges are becoming more and more irrelevant.
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Don't conceal them.. 'secure them' to your body in plain sight & comfortably accessible. In the old days 'gunslingers' carried one on each hip & a rifle tied to the saddle bag(s) of their horse.

They rode up looking for fight.. & usually found it within a few minutes. There's a difference between those who want to carry for show & those who carry for a purpose. The ones who want to carry for 'show' are likely going to end up dead or in prison before morning.

Guns don't kill people and a bullet doesn't want to kill any one either.. the idiot with his finger on the trigger is the idiot voted most likely to 'kill'.

Approach the amendment as it is & within the spirit that it was written.. even in the wildest of western history you didn't bring all your guns to town. Strap two to your hip, one in each boot and a couple more under your armpit..

For the most part an accessible riffle secured to the saddle bag was all that was needed.. today I suppose it would be kept in the rack or secured behind the seat of your truck.

Any nitwit wanting to parade up main street with a 'Clint Eastwood whistle'.. just because they think they can. Is probable going to end up dead, toe-less or in prison.

Too many nitwits out there wanting to do shit just for the sake of a belligerent point.. shroom

Stay safe.. be quick.
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I know quite a few open carriers. Not a single one is looking for a fight.

Just a note, hollywood films aren't real life.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


That's my point.. conceal carry is what got 'shot' down (pun intended) people would be less likely to even think of robbing that convenience store, if the clerk was openly carrying.
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Well this forces the issue now to the Supreme Court.


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Obutthole strikes again?
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Federal court, actually, but I believe the 9th circuit was likely under a lot of pressure from the Obozo administration in this case. I also think the recent demise of Supreme Court Justice Scalia factored into the decision.

The future of our Second Amendment is in a very precarious position due to this ruling. Our next president will be in the position of appointing a few new SCOTUS justices, due not only to Scalia's death, but the fact that others will be retiring or dying soon.

If the Hildebeest is elected, she would no doubt try to load up the SCOTUS with liberal anti-gunners and our Congress lacks the stones to stop her.

If this ruling were to be taken up by such a panel, our rights are toast. This is a very dark day for conservative Americans.
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Anyone that looks to an idolatrous government for rights is a slave of the first order.
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For normal people not enslaved, it really is simple. If one wants a gun for protection, they get a gun. If they want to carry a gun, they carry a gun. The only people who seem to care what the idolatrous government allows them to do are slave-like White people. Oh well. Once a slave - always a slave.
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Self defense is NOT a good enough reason?

Wow.

And they're importing potential terrorists by the thousands.

Go, Trump!!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70619332


Yep... They are doing all this while they import terrorists and use the media and Hollywood to agitate blacks and Mexicans into a violent frenzy.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72082182


And who is funding the agitators to riot and create the hoped-for Martial Law scenario that they so desperately want/need?

Aren't there any existing laws against promoting deliberate riots and civil disturbances where real people get hurt, injured, or killed?

WTF...
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Well this forces the issue now to the Supreme Court.

California Appellate Court cannot rewrite the Constitution.

I don't look at this as a defeat for the 2nd Amendment. I see this as the fight we want at the Supreme Court level. I don't even really care that they are making the issue about open carry vs. concealed carry.

Look - California can't have it their own way. They cannot interpret the 2nd Amendment differently than the rest of the country. Isn't that what the Supreme Court said when they passed gay marriage? Despite the fact that we here in Oklahoma had the definition of marriage as a man and a woman written into our state Constitution?

So - The Supreme Court will have to rule on this. If the Supreme Court rules as they did in DC vs Heller that the 2nd Amendment does provide the citizenry the right to carry.....then California will be forced to allow it.

If - The Supreme Court rules in favor of this appellate judge that the 2nd Amendment does not grant the citizenry the right to carry.....then it is game on!!

tomato
 Quoting: OKOathkeeper


The Supreme Court does NOT make law. That is the job of the Legislative Branch. The Supreme Court gives rulings and decides cases between the Plaintiff and Accused. They only effect those 2 parties. If your State is not mentioned within the Plaintiff or Accused, then the ruling does not pertain to your State....

DC vs. Heller only effected the District of Columbia...

States have a right not to acknowledge rulings of the Supreme Court. It is just a ruling and not LAW!!!





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