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Monotheism (OP) User ID: 73065456 Sweden 10/30/2016 10:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's another undeniable example of direct papal influence. The Chalcedonian definition of Christ's hypostatic union - fully God, fully man - was adopted after a direct letter from Pope Leo I to the Council of Chalcedon explaining the position of the papacy. [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] It's a papal doctrine, founded on papal authority, aimed at papal slaves. Last Edited by Monotheism on 10/30/2016 10:05 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73300819 United States 10/30/2016 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am YHWH, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, Isaiah 45:5 Quoting: Monotheism Jesus was deity. Just not GOD the Father. he never said He was Jehovah. But that he was the Son of Jehovah. What trash are you trying to manifest? What pot are you trying to stir? What is your point? |
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Dr VIP 1 User ID: 73020402 Israel 10/30/2016 11:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, Here's the truth as I see it. Quoting: Frater Deplorable We all live in God and are part of Him. Without God not a single particle would exist. Without God the Universe is not. but then comes rome, telling you jesus is the only begotten and you are trash so bow down to the pope the vicar of jesus. see how it works and why Jews worked so hard to tell the world no man is to be worshiped as G-d? Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. Psalms 85:11 There is no solution to the Jewish problem. There is no answer to the Jewish question. Judaism is the solution, Judaism is the answer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1347659 United States 10/30/2016 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | As a counter argument: Jesus' Own Claim to be the Son of God Brings Muslim to Christ By David Daniels You love Muslim people, and you want to witness to them. But when you talk to them about Jesus, they say, "Jesus was not God's Son! He was just another one of the prophets." In fact, they are likely to challenge you with the question: "Where did Jesus ever claim to be God's Son?" Quoting: DanielsThe question is vital, because they are taught that Jesus was a prophet of God, and that prophets do not lie. Where did Jesus Himself make the claim to be God's Son? The answer is right there, in God's preserved words. Don't try to use a corrupt modern version, it will let you down. In John 10:36, Jesus said, "Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?" Obviously, Jesus was being accused of blasphemy for claiming to be God's Son. Where did He say it? In the previous chapter, John 9:35-38, where Jesus had just healed the man born blind, and the Pharisees cast the healed man out of the synagogue. "Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? He answered and said, Who is he, Lord, that I might believe on him? And Jesus said unto him, Thou hast both seen him, and it is he that talketh with thee. And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshiped him." Ask your Muslim friend, "Only God can receive worship, right?" When he says yes, reply "Then Jesus clearly claimed to be God. Only as God could Jesus, who cannot lie, receive worship." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73301605 Mexico 10/30/2016 11:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quote the explicit denial Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72352888 and not your deliberately desired misinterpretation and assumption. Oh, you were the first reply too I see. How is it you're always around to answer my threads two seconds after they're posted? Are you a bot. robots robots sooo much fun take em to the shop fit em with a shotgun take em out hunting watch em ruuuun everybody needs a robot now mommy i wanna have a robot and how |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73182836 United States 10/30/2016 11:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus was not God, and as we see here, he would obviously be the first person to tell you that.The ancient high priests of that time were pissed that Jesus was provoking the thought that each man could find God within themselves. The high priests wanted to be perceived as the ONLY means for the masses to worship and praise and to communicate and associate with God. Meanwhile, Jesus was teaching that through the Holy Spirit God is within all of us. Whatever "god" might be. Through our own highest level of consciousness and being we can further tap into the universe, the cosmos, or the gods. Jesus was a wise man and a brave man, no doubt about it, whether or not he was man or god, he was doing gods work. He was raising consciousness and for the betterment of mankind. Certain high priests relied on the people's addiction to this religion, this opiate to the masses. For, the only wanted to heal their flock to the point at which they would be able to return to them and learn dependence and attachment to the authority, in this case, the high priests and the organized church. This of course is why Jesus was killed. He never claimed to be king of the jews, he never claimed to be god....he claimed to be the son of man. He claimed that the holy spirit is in all of us and that through this, God is in all of us and us in him. Jesus would probably lean towards saying that we are all god in a way, or at least that we are all tapped into said god. |
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Dr VIP 1 User ID: 73020402 Israel 10/31/2016 12:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | shoot those slogans Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. Psalms 85:11 There is no solution to the Jewish problem. There is no answer to the Jewish question. Judaism is the solution, Judaism is the answer. |
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Isaiah 43:1-2 User ID: 72578234 United States 10/31/2016 12:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am YHWH, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, Isaiah 45:5 Quoting: Monotheism Jesus was deity. Just not GOD the Father. he never said He was Jehovah. But that he was the Son of Jehovah. What trash are you trying to manifest? What pot are you trying to stir? What is your point? Jesus said, "I and My Father are ONE". When Pilate asked Him if He was the King of the Jews, Jesus said, "I AM", which is the Name of God. Jesus also told the Apostles that He would leave His Spirit with them, the HOLY SPIRIT, the third person of the Triune God. In the Book of Genesis, when God created man, He said, "LET US MAKE MAN IN OUR IMAGE..." (emphasis mine) So Jesus and the Holy Spirit of God were also present at the Creation. The Book of John says "In the beginning was the Word (Jesus) and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD...And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us..." follower of Jesus |
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Dr VIP 1 User ID: 73020402 Israel 10/31/2016 12:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | pew pew pew pew. there are criteria the Messiah must meet, jesus doesnt meet a single one. you dont really know what the passover lamb really symbolizes, you just parrot John like a braid dead zombie. Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven. Psalms 85:11 There is no solution to the Jewish problem. There is no answer to the Jewish question. Judaism is the solution, Judaism is the answer. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71277348 United States 10/31/2016 12:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | pew pew pew pew. there are criteria the Messiah must meet, jesus doesnt meet a single one. you dont really know what the passover lamb really symbolizes, you just parrot John like a braid dead zombie. So you say. So what? You are anti Messiah. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 71927652 United States 10/31/2016 01:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 43 He said to them, “How is it then that David, in the Spirit, calls him Lord, saying, Quoting: Monotheism 44 “‘The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand, Matthew 22:43-45 The psalm quoted here is Psalm 110:1. The first LORD, usually capitalized, is not a translation of the text, but God's name, the tetragrammaton, being substituted. A Psalm of David. YHWH says to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool.” Here we have YHWH, the Most High God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, adressing someone else, a second person referred to as lord, adoni. So why did Jesus so bluntly deny being God? Didn't he get the memo regarding hos upcoming promotion? Jesus is the Holy Spirit born into the flesh. The Holy Spirit is GOD (John 1, the WORD) as in...part of GOD. It's difficult to explain but it goes: FATHER, HOLY SPIRIT (Intercessor for you with the FATHER (Isaiah 53), SON (that's you with the Holy Spirit; Romans 8:14) in that order. I know common doctrine is that Jesus is the only begotten son of GOD but that's patently false and biblically unfounded. Read JOB; SONS Of GOD presented themselves before GOD. That doesn't mean you're equal to the Holy Spirit though as a son of GOD. To explain this better...salvation existed by the Holy Spirit before the Holy Spirit was crucified in the flesh. (1 Peter 1:10) GOD's LAW (with the Holy Spirit; the Law of Christ in Romans 8) is basically cause and effect but in reverse...you get the effect before the cause. On a micro scale you will see this with the Holy Spirit during the Baptism of Christ (Jesus) when doing GOD's will (at some point) then you go back to the beginning of your baptism event wise and...translate ("see" heaven). Flesh mindset with fixed history and rules of reality and you will never believe salvation is the same in the Old Testament as it is in the New Testament (John 5: search the scriptures) this until you see it with your own eyes and experience what it is (1 Peter 4:12). Seek the Spirit, you need to walk with HIM in order to earn your salvation. |
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Sheshbazzar User ID: 73302537 Tunisia 10/31/2016 04:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Let all those who dare using logic in order to distinguish Father from Son, let them consider that God's name is "I become", "Him who is, who was & who is to come". By trying to prove that Jesus isn't the Father you implicitly rely on your reason. Do rely on it explicitly and you will see that you cannot prove their being different. You should all agree, from what follows, that Jesus is the "I" of God. But God's I becomes, is inexhaustible, this is the meaning of this passage: And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (John 17.3) You have heard that Jesus is the Logos, the Word of God. What is this Word? Quite straightforwardly, the word "God" i.e., the very concept of God, the original meaning of the word "God". Now who knows better what "God" means that God himself? Thus the concept of God is thought by God, begotten of God by introspection. The Word of God is thus the Son of God. This Word of God, because it applies to God, because it is the essence of God, is also called the name of God, the I of God. Jesus Christ is the I of God. It cannot be denied that him who is to come is greater than him who is, but him who comes still is the I of God. You need another axis, not reason, along which to distinguish Father from Son. This further dimension is faith. |
Sheshbazzar User ID: 73302537 Tunisia 10/31/2016 06:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is worth noting that the obstinate, and vain, attempt to prove the unprovable, namely that Father and Son aren't equal (while I believe that they aren't equal, I cannot translate this belief into concepts, words, without running into a contradiction. It is a matter of silent, irrational faith), it is worth noting that this at least proves one thing, namely the lack of faith on the part of the denier. The denier cannot be satisfied with the tacit, irrational belief in the Father's all sovereign supremacy, for his believing faculty is atrophied. Hence his trying to substitute for it his reason, which reason, interestingly, is likewise lacking for otherwise he would have reached, with Yahweh's help, the necessary conclusion that the equation Father = Son cannot be disproved. |