Any experts on Dissociative Identity Disorder around here?

I don't have or want control of anyone other than myself.

Keep lying. It's super becoming.

I don't like the DSM disorder "box" but as far as various diagnosis and me go none of them have ever made sense in my case whereas that one sort of does to me. Dissociation is quite familiar to me. I wouldn't go so far as to say anything more than that and - that I wish to learn as much as possible about it...

would empathy be dissociation
as you no longer self indentiy,
but indentiy as another...?

Interesting question. I suppose an empath shares qualities with psychics and channelers. Psychics and channelers share qualities with dissociators and those with DID (dissociation's most extreme form). I would say that empathy, if hyperactive perhaps from its normal form - could create dissociators....

I have a long history with this subject. Having worked with juveniles for years in institutional settings, I was able to observe all of the things mentioned here and many, many more. It may appear to be a rare condition, but it is prevalent throughout society. It was no less prevalent in the 30's, 40's, 50,s and so on. In fact, what we are seeing today was largely CREATED by that era and before.

Molestation, abuse of all kinds and neglect of all kinds have been with us since day one. Most just see "mood changes" without realizing that an actual personality change has just happened in front of their eyes and it appears to "come off the wall" out of nowhere. We have all been victims for a very long time.

In a very real sense, all of the kids I had in my program were all abuse survivors. The results of that abuse were as varied as the situations. There were, however, some "classic" cases of personality disorder. As varied as they were, there were "similarities" of character development. In other words, there always seems to be a little vulnerable child, a carefree and wild promiscuous person, a hard and uncompromising person, a cruel and evil person or a totally uncaring person. Every once in a while in the cycle, the sane and balanced person would also emerge. That is the one that everyone falls in love with. It all really is a common cycle with common roots.

I have my own experience as a child in developing alternate personalities. With me, it was a conscious and deliberate act. I was only 7 at the time and I can remember a sane discourse within my own mind as to how to deal with the current "conditions". All it took was a deliberate act like tearing a picture of myself to little pieces and throwing them to the wind. That person ceased to exist--literally. I can remember it being a defensive strategy. I saw myself as innocent and honest. Somehow, I had to hide myself. The act was so powerful, I did not re-emerge for almost 30 years. I became an expert in mediocrity. I became invisible. I PURPOSEFULLY committed three acts to make my new persona "acceptable" in my new world. I degraded someone, I committed an act of violence on someone, and I stole from someone. Little did I know that I had just compromised my true self. Those 30 years were spent in continuing to do so.

Though I have a background in counseling and teaching, my understanding on this subject is entirely spiritual. This condition can be CURED. It is not easy, but I have seen people rise far above it. Whether we want to look at it in this way or not, it is of a demonic nature. Psychology, alone, can not deal with this. Understanding helps, but it is just the first step. As easy as WE create the situation, we can UNCREATE IT. In the end, it may be what this is all about. The body and mind is wonderfully made. We create sophisticated methods of dealing with trauma without even giving it much thought. We keep our own selves from instant insanity. We are able to go someplace and "figure it out"--at least for short-term survival. What awesome abilities we have!

I am currently involved with a young woman in her 30's with three children and a husband that adores her--even though she has been exhibiting a personality disorder since they first met as kids. She still goes through these cycles and it is a tragedy for everyone. I revealed to her what her problem was and, in a limited way, what she must do about it. She cannot do it alone and she cannot do it with the ones she loves (and hates). Right now, I am just an anchor in her world of shifting confusion. The only positive result at the moment is that her sane periods are lasting longer and her insane ones shorter. One day perhaps, she may be able to take further steps. For the moment, it is just survival and trying to get some satisfaction out of life. Unfortunately, this may involve hard drugs which may end up destroying everything. "You can lead a horse to water....."

Whoa. Thanks so much for sharing your story Zerubbabel. Stories like yours and InProgress's on page 4 are exactly why I made this thread. It is extremely helpful to hear about this from some of the members here. Your first hand experience seeing it with children must have affected you deeply.

Last Edited by Caylus Ark on 06/14/2016 02:32 PM

does the trauma create dissociator
or
personality changes because of circumstances
ie - normal
just of an extreme variety
people remember who they were "prior"
think most of us would remember such?
meh, tired and not explainin right

sorry, dsm pumps brain chemisty altering crap into developjng brains, when we do not understand how it works....

use it as a rough reference

moods are the key

must create exercise about moods

I have almost always read that it exists because of trauma, but personally I think it could exist without it too. Dissociative tendencies are genetic, as are psychic tendencies. Now we are beginning to see the huge parallels between trauma, DID, psychic ability, and the so-called Illuminati families. Now there is a fact that trauma tends to enhance preexisting psychic abilities. If you take this paired with the fact that psychic abilities and DID often go hand in hand or are even confused, the whole 'setup' of 'monarch' programming or whatever starts to come together in a sort of interesting way...

Extreme trauma for everyone is a before/after event. Whether that be abuse, death of loved one, sickness, car accident, natural disaster, etc..

There was the person you were before the event, and the person you are after. While they remain the same, perception changes which alters the attitude/mood/personality of the person dealing with the trauma.

The five stages of grieving over the loss, then comes into play. And the person then either moves forward with the trauma in tow or allows it to consume them as they sink deeper into self destruction and dispair.

Alcohol and drugs take the edge off, so many go that route. Some turn to their belief in God. Some take it out on others.

Round and round we go.

I could talk for hours about disfunctional kids--one who could bleed a pint of blood at will as a defense mechanism, another who would throw himself down stairs for affection; or bring an adult to the point of violence to feed his need for pain, yet smart enough to steal a freight train, a bulldozer or create a 7 car pileup with another 8 year old. One child used in burglaries was so disfunctional that he was rejected by other disfunctionals. Kids can be helped much easier than adults. It's never too late. It has been shown that people off the street who care, can do far more than any professional with however many degrees. Working in that environment, however, forces us to build walls around ourselves. The pain is palpable. At one point in the institution, I had 70 kids (boys and girls) ranging from age 8 to 17 in a room in a basement that looked like a dungeon. Their stay was typically 30 days (awaiting disposition of the courts). What I saw done to children was criminal. Fortunately, the system changed when I got there. Just a few short years before, they still had whipping posts. I took over the first treatment house and removed all the locks on the doors. It was a beginning. That was when I realized that the system was a large part of the problem. They still are.

I meant more along the lines of
child losses their innocence (puppy died)
they remember that previous carefree state
seek a return.
Just left field thinkin off top of my head while reading here.

monarch, and all its associated what not certinly has some interesting factors, however

[link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)]

seems an overly convuloted setup when most people are easily managed....

and seer puts in much better
believe i have a broken finger, so short typin
even more so

I too worked in a residential facility for children aged 5 to 17. Girls and boys.

One girl had been put in child porn films when she was 3 with her 2 y/o brother. She was then removed by the state and adopted. By the time she was 12, her adopted mother returned her to the state.

One time I found letters she had written in her own blood, to her mother. Several of them. All saying 'I love you'.

While she had endured horrific sexual abuse, then abandoned by her adopted mother, she was just an understandably troubled girl. She did not have separate personalities nor did anyone in the facility that came in contact with.

I looked into this a bit. There is a difference between a one-time traumatic event and a repeated trauma that goes on and on. Dissociation is the likely result of the latter - if it happens over and over again, the mind's way of coping with an unbearable reality.

With a one-time shock trauma that doesn't repeat, flash-backs and hypernesia tends to be the result. With repeated trauma over a longer period of time, amnesia and dissociation tend to occur.

I believe people dissociate. Absolutely.

I don't believe in the validity of anything close to what that cunt of a liar Sybil, created with her lies.

Most of the information on Monarch is disinformation, intended to distort and confuse...

But, if you follow the 'straight and narrow' yellow brick road and then slowly pan out from there, a picture starts to emerge.

Skinner boxes, Milgram's authority experiments, Zimbardo's Stanford Prison experiment, Erik Erikson's hypnosis and trance inductions, Travistalker's 'change managementment' and 'group dynamics', transpersonal psychology, and a certain work called 'the dissociation of a personality'....

There are means to studying the science that is very hush hush, but you have to be a little creative to see the methodology.

The disinformation, too, is informative. Even the parts that are so convoluted as to be obviously false - have tidbits of truth embedded

seer did you pm your drone facts, his next target yet! lol

seer sits on this thread, like she's guarding something! lol

seer sits on this thread, like she's guarding something! lol

My only objective for Caylus was to keep GLP from getting to her to the point, where she dropped out of school.

I failed.

to follow the stright and narrow
would require access to files.

Instead, its guesswork and theory
connecting dots that may/may not be
info/disinfo etc

enough documentation on legit physc experiments that if extrapolated from to current time....
cant find atm, but small device implantdd in bull brain, eletric impulse control, very rudimentary, but many decades old. Bring that to todays tech/knoweldge, who needs monarch?

I've never spoken to Facts over PM before. Not once.

It wasn't your fault.

I was offered a job, at winter break in December. Had I of rejected the offer, my life would have proceeded without incident, and I would still be in school, and my confidence, sense of selfhood, credibility, and sanity would be intact. I would have rested for two weeks and gone back to school without incident.

I accepted the job. This pushed my mental facilities to their absolute limits, and shattered my sanity after a week. Had I not been working, the psychotic break would never have occurred.

It was my choice, and I knew when I got the phone call that something inside of me should have trusted my gut. I am not making any implications beyond the fact that I should have rested after finals and all of the emotional and mental strain I'd been through. I should not have accepted the offer.

But I accepted, and so here we are. Caylus still exists perhaps in that alternative reality, the one where I turned the offer down.

Or at least, there is something we all must tell ourselves to get by.

I agree with you about the channeling. I know two people, one definitely who has a DID and she has said in the past she's a portal for God to come to the masses. The other one believes she channels spirits. It's tough when you care about them because you want so badly to make them understand what's going on but it just won't compute no matter how logical you present it. I know, I've tried.

hmmm
ya know lol plays ya like fiddles, right?
even when you respond, your givin it a better database to know what effects ya...
meh

Lolac occasionally makes good points and offers me an opening I choose to take.

reminds memof a sociopath
say/do anything
if advances own position

Well. You were primed by the fall due all the time you spent on GLP.

I tried everything I could think to pull you out, but it just turned you against me.

Lolac is an oppurtunist. Through and through.