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Dec. 25th: Is this really Jesus' birthday?

 
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My fellow Langstonites, since this is the so-called "Christmas" and "Advent" season, I would like to share some thoughts that are particularly significant to aid us educated folks to remember "the true reason for this holy season."

Thus my 186th edition of Chapy's Corner ill historically and culturally examine the true documented origins surrounding the physical birth date of Jesus and see if it is truth or myth. I hope my last epistle of the year brings knowledge and understanding to my dear Langstonites who are stressing out over this yuletide time of year because of budget strains and insufficient "bling-bling" to spend on others.

Was December 25th the actual date of Yeshuah Ben Joseph's (Jesus' real birth name) physical birth? We really do not know specifically when Jesus was born; there is neither scriptural nor secular evidence to establish the actual date of His physical birth. His spiritual existence is established in John 1:1-14.

Nevertheless, we do know three axiomatic truths about it. First, Jesus was physically born. Second, it was not in the Roman month of December. And third, the calendar went from B.C. (Before Christ) to A.D. (Anno Domini-year of our Lord) when He was born into the Roman Empire under the torah (Galatians 4:4).

Moreover, what we do Biblically know is that Jesus was born six months after his cousin John the Baptist birth. Jewish tradition places John's birth during the Passover (Easter) month of Nisan (March/April). That places Jesus birth during the fall season, either in mid-September during the Jewish festival of Roshashana or early-October (read: Luke chapters 1-2).

One reason that this truth is certain is that when He was born Jewish shepherds were "living out in the fields, keeping watch over their flocks by night" (Luke 2:8, NKJV). In an agricultural society such as Israel, shepherds do not sleep out on the ground with their flocks in December because it is much too cold. In winter they lead their flocks out in the day time and bring them in at night.

Historically, also remember that during the very early Christian centuries Jesus birthday was not celebrated by the Church at all. For instance, during its first 300 years, the so-called true "Catholic" Church in Rome established by emperor Constantine I (b. A.D. 280?-d.337) maintained a staunch position against all pagan beliefs and practices; however, many new "converts" were reluctant to give up their familiar celebrations, including this emperor who even changed the Christian worship day from the last day of Satur(n)-day (Sabbath) to the first day of the week, our "Sun-day," named after the sun-god.

One of the most popular holidays in the Roman year was the "Saturnalia." It was a week-long festival with torchlight processions, gift-giving and merry-making, culminating in a winter solstice feast on December 25th, called "The Birth of the Unconquerable Sun." The holiday honored the strength of the sun and the fertility it would soon bring to the earth.

In 375 A.D. the Catholic Church announced that the physical birth date of Christ Jesus would be celebrated on December 25th also, and allowed some of the older celebrations, such as feasting, dancing, reveling and the exchange of gifts, to be incorporated into the observance of Christmas.

Now, I am not telling anyone that they can or cannot participate in any of the following Christmas activities, but those of us who are Christians need to be real and honest with ourselves and see if we are willing to obey the Biblical account surrounding the Messianic virgin birth of Jesus rather than the pagan account surrounding His birth (read: Jeremiah 10:1-5; Ezekiel 44:23; Galatians 4:8-11).


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Behold...let EVERY day be as a birthday for YOU.....there is love in recognition.
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the PISCEAN "light of the world" that "came out of egypt" and "fed the multitude with TWO FISH" was "born" on the 1st spring equinox at the dawn of the age of the "SIGN of the FISH", and the message of this "rock of AGES" was preached in all the temples of the "NEW HORIZON church" at the 12th AGE.

you should have celebrated the "pass OVER" of the covenant AGE of RAM's blood.

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Yeshua was conceived during Chanukah which includes Kislev 25. The 25 date was then easily turned into December 25.

Yeshua's Birth was during Feast of Tabernacles, when it was nine months later.

All this was lost when the graftlings broke from the Root, the Source.
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I agree with you grafted.

Well said.
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There is a BIG Difference between Celebrating Jesus's Birth, and the actual Birthdate of Jesus.

The actual deity born on December 25th was Tammuz, Daughter of Nimrod and Semiramis.

After the Paganization of Christianity by Constantine, December 25th became commonly known as the "Birthday of Jesus."

Truth be known, we don't know WHEN Jesus was Born. We just know that he was born, and we CELEBRATE this birth on December 25th.

Now, whether we really are proxy worshipping "Tammuz" in the name of Jesus, I know not.
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There is a BIG Difference between Celebrating Jesus's Birth, and the actual Birthdate of Jesus.

The actual deity born on December 25th was Tammuz, Daughter of Nimrod and Semiramis.

After the Paganization of Christianity by Constantine, December 25th became commonly known as the "Birthday of Jesus."

Truth be known, we don't know WHEN Jesus was Born. We just know that he was born, and we CELEBRATE this birth on December 25th.

Now, whether we really are proxy worshipping "Tammuz" in the name of Jesus, I know not.
 Quoting: Herald Septillionus 167796


I'm tired. That actually should of read "SON" of Nimrod and Semiramis, instead of daughter.
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Jesus is a Virgo. September 11th or the 14th is his birthday. There are many mysteries surrounding Jesus(even the question if he really existed..). This birthday makes sense to me.
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What difference could it make?
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All the evidence suggest a springtime birthdate....e.g. shepherd do not tend their flocks in the fields during the winter...rather spring.
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All the evidence suggest a springtime birthdate....e.g. shepherd do not tend their flocks in the fields during the winter...rather spring.
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homeruhh What?

the good shepard crap..? are you still worshipping mithra or are you into finding the truth here?
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The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious.... - ALBERT EINSTEIN
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opposing zealousness at roots ultimately suffer
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All the evidence suggest a springtime birthdate....e.g. shepherd do not tend their flocks in the fields during the winter...rather spring.
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He was born on the first day of the Feast of Tabernacles. The word became flesh & "tabernacled" among us.

He was circumsized on the Last Great Day of the Feast of Tabernacles.

That is why Bethlehem was so crowded & there was no room for them at the inn. It was the Feast of Tabernacles.
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Re: Dec. 25th: Is this really Jesus' birthday?
MERRY CHRISTMAS

THE POINT OF YOUR POST IS??????????????

SO WHAT IF SOME "WISE GUYS" GOT THE DATE WRONG 1500 YEARS AGO

SO WHAT IF ANOTHER GROUP THINKS THAT DATE HAS MEANING.

SAME OLD STORY

SHOOT THE MESSENGER

IGNORE THE MESSAGE.

PEACE AND GOODWILL TO ALL MEN. DOES THE DATE MATTER, NO.

MERRY CHRISTMAS

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Jesus died at Passover time, which was about April 1, 33 A.D. (Matt. 26:17-30) Since Christ was about 30 years of age when commencing his work and his ministry was three and a half years long, he was 33 1/2 years old around Passover time, or about April 1, 33 A.D. Christ would have been 34 years of age six months later, or about October 1. Again counting back, we must conclude that Jesus was born, not on December 25, but about October 1, in the year 2 B.C.
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MERRY CHRISTMAS

THE POINT OF YOUR POST IS??????????????

SO WHAT IF SOME "WISE GUYS" GOT THE DATE WRONG 1500 YEARS AGO

SO WHAT IF ANOTHER GROUP THINKS THAT DATE HAS MEANING.

SAME OLD STORY

SHOOT THE MESSENGER

IGNORE THE MESSAGE.

PEACE AND GOODWILL TO ALL MEN. DOES THE DATE MATTER, NO.

MERRY CHRISTMAS

GL
 Quoting: GREY LENSMAN




Yes, the date would matter if you were celebrating someone's birth. And especially if you were celebrating a person's birth on the day of his enemies birth.
Think about it. Would Jesus partake of something like this. NO!


“The most familiar solstic celebration of ancient times was that of the Romans,” according to science writer Isaac Asimov. It was the week-long Saturnalia (December 17 to 24), held in honor of their agricultural god, Saturn. Dr. Asimov also comments:

“The Mithraists celebrated the birth of Mithra at the winter solstice, a natural time, and fixed on the day December 25 so that the popular Roman Saturnalia could build up to the Mithraist ‘Day of the Sun’ as a climax. . . . Sometime after A.D. 300, Christianity managed the final coup of absorbing the Saturnalia, and with that it scored its final victory over Mithraism. December 25 was established as the day of the birth of Jesus, and the great festival was made Christian. There is absolutely no biblical authority for December 25 as having been the day of the Nativity.”
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Of course not you idiot! I was trying to get a job with the Jerusalem Post!
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the PISCEAN "light of the world" that "came out of egypt" and "fed the multitude with TWO FISH" was "born" on the 1st spring equinox at the dawn of the age of the "SIGN of the FISH", and the message of this "rock of AGES" was preached in all the temples of the "NEW HORIZON church" at the 12th AGE.

you should have celebrated the "pass OVER" of the covenant AGE of RAM's blood.

damned
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 162514


interesting.. i wonder how the aquarian age will be heralded.. aquarius is the water bearer -or- the grail king / fisher king..





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