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Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?

 
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Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?

COMEY said: "our investigation looked at whether there is evidence classified information was improperly stored or transmitted on that personal system, in violation of a federal statute making it a felony to mishandle classified information either intentionally or in a grossly negligent way, or a second statute making it a misdemeanor to knowingly remove classified information from appropriate systems or storage facilities.

Then he went on to say that "extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information" (i.e. gross negligence);

Then "seven e-mail chains concern matters that were classified at the Top Secret/Special Access Program level when they were sent and received. These chains involved Secretary Clinton both sending e-mails about those matters and receiving e-mails from others about the same matters. There is evidence to support a conclusion that any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton’s position, or in the position of those government employees with whom she was corresponding about these matters, should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation" (i.e. knowingly removing classified information);

The only thing he said she did NOT do, was mishandling this information "intentionally". Even then, not sure how setting up an unsecure server is unintentional...

It's like, here is the law, here is how she actually broke the law ("there is evidence of potential violations of the statutes regarding the handling of classified information", and then says that no charges will be recommended. Why?
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
There is none.

Comey's entire remarks were double speak for "she broke the law" "we are pissed" but "Hillary is too politically powerful for us to do anything about it."


The bulk of his remarks were extremely negative and implicated Hillary.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
Wouldn't it make a great story if a nobody peon came out of nowhere that did something similiar and was able to release a lot of damning information that way. I mean, if SHE can't be prosecuted for what she did, nobody should be either.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
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... the difference? ... a jail sentence ...
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
The actual difference imho would be whether or not there was a responsibility to know.

Now what I just said probably has nothing to do with this case in the manner that any significant number of people would comprehend.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
The difference is that gross negligence in the legal sense, requires a specific risk of death, injury or property damage and usually the actual occurrence of such death, injury or property damage. So merely the existence of extreme carelessness isn't relevant.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
The difference is that gross negligence in the legal sense, requires a specific risk of death, injury or property damage and usually the actual occurrence of such death, injury or property damage. So merely the existence of extreme carelessness isn't relevant.
 Quoting: DeepThroat 72519332


I don't believe death has anything to do with it, I could be wrong but I believe it has to do with whether or not there was a duty to know.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
This whole renaming things to make them sound better is fucking getting on my last nerve.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
Same difference as misspoke and lie....
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
The FBI Director does not leave when administrations end. Comey just guaranteed himself a long and extended tenure in that position under HELLary's leadership.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
Remember your Orwell :
Some pigs are more equal than others
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
People at the Clinton Foundation are breathing a huge sigh of relief today. Their scam can continue unimpeded.
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It ain't over til it's over people. Once Trump gets POTUS he will elect another AG & Lynch will be gone. Then Hillary AND Lynch AND Comey will stand trial unless they can wiggle like a worm and get out of it. But more than likely we will see the resignation of Comey & the indictment by jury of Hillary. For Lynch she will be replaced and work at McDonald’s flipping burgers as good as she flipped her conversation topic with Bill Clinton on the plane.

NO one can waltz right up to a secret service private plane on the tarmac with an A.G. onboard who is investigating a case of said wife and co hubby regarding their foundation. They portrayed the meeting as she did not know he was coming and just walked with up to talk about vacations and family etc. WRONG!

The meeting was setup with the A.G. FULL knowledge in advance = her complicity. This goes to show how deep the buy offs and corruption goes within our prideful haughty government that we pay to have our backs. Obama is also involved and complicent but they won't touch him until after Trump gets in and I hope he takes them ALL down who serve themselves rather than the people's interests.

This goes deep with congress too btw. I am afraid they will try another attempt to assassinate Trump cuz they know he can't be bought off since he is already rich enough and does not need that caveat. Going forward we need to elect only those who will support Trump in congress so he can actually get things done and so they won't fight him like they did Obungalo.

For he prioritized Muslims with their fanaticism, blacks & BLM agendas, illegal refugees who want to KILL us and set up their Sharia law & bedhead us once they breed into a majority. He does not put America 1st in the world. If you study up on him and learn his influences, you will see.

He also weakened our military and increased our national debt to the highest in history. Do we really want another 4 years of Obungalo with Hillary? What concerns me if they dupe Trump and Obungalo gets another 4 more years. Especially when he did a conference with the Canadian & Mexican Presidents which by the way the NWO wants the USA, Mexico & Canada one country region. Did anyone else find it odd at the conclusion of that meeting that all the people at that conference chanted...4 more years...4 more years...

Time to watch Johnathan Kleck on Youtube & Paul Begley to learn what is coming.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
Either one makes her unfit for public office.
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Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?

Position and Power for the win Alex.

I'm not wasting another minute of my time on politics in the US government. Its quite evident they're ALL criminals and cover for ANYONE in the 'club'. They just rubbed our collective noses in it.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
Simple Question: Wasn't It Hillary Clinton's duty to ensure that NO ONE in the State Department did the same things that she did?
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
If anybody but trump was running she would have been indicted.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
Any of you losers out there (don't worry, I am one too) remember the phrase, "ignorance is NO excuse"? Guess they were lying about that shit too eh?
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
The difference is that gross negligence in the legal sense, requires a specific risk of death, injury or property damage and usually the actual occurrence of such death, injury or property damage. So merely the existence of extreme carelessness isn't relevant.
 Quoting: DeepThroat 72519332


You mean like exposing the names/locations/schedules of CIA personnel, for example?
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
Wouldn't it make a great story if a nobody peon came out of nowhere that did something similiar and was able to release a lot of damning information that way. I mean, if SHE can't be prosecuted for what she did, nobody should be either.
 Quoting: eagleheart66


Well Snowden is considered a traitor by our corrupt gov..they sure wouldn't hesitate to prosecute him
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
Ignorance is no excuse............

Hilary Clinton s a FELON and unfit to be president
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
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"But judge, I didn't INTEND to kill a pedestrian when I got drunk and drove my car home from the nightclub."

Intent does not matter if you broke the law.

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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
In law gross negligence is that action which shows a disregard of harm under circumstances that a reasonable would clearly see as the result of the action. Such as shooting at a moving passenger train with a rifle.
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The logic of the government means DUI suspects that kill someone while driving should not be prosecuted.
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Re: Difference between "gross negligence" and "extreme carelessness"?
The difference is that gross negligence in the legal sense, requires a specific risk of death, injury or property damage and usually the actual occurrence of such death, injury or property damage. So merely the existence of extreme carelessness isn't relevant.
 Quoting: DeepThroat 72519332


I don't believe death has anything to do with it, I could be wrong but I believe it has to do with whether or not there was a duty to know.
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She did know because she fired an Ambassador for doing the similar thing she did. It wasn't carelessness she knew the rules which makes it a deliberate act. The FBI was under pressure by the AG Lynch to not convict. We've been had by this lawless government. I feel like a ton of bricks fell on me when I heard no conviction.

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18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


[link to www.law.cornell.edu (secure)]

Gross negligence


A lack of care that demonstrates reckless disregard for the safety or lives of others, which is so great it appears to be a conscious violation of other people's rights to safety. It is more than simple inadvertence, and can affect the amount of damages.

[link to www.law.cornell.edu (secure)]

Gross negligence is a conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, which is likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm to persons, property, or both.

[link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]

Extreme Carelessness = Gross negligence.
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Absolutely no difference.....

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Setting up your own private server is not "careless." It's corrupt and intentional.

Having many blackberry devices is more like GROSS carelessness.
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18 U.S. Code § 793 - Gathering, transmitting or losing defense information

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.


[link to www.law.cornell.edu (secure)]

Gross negligence


A lack of care that demonstrates reckless disregard for the safety or lives of others, which is so great it appears to be a conscious violation of other people's rights to safety. It is more than simple inadvertence, and can affect the amount of damages.

[link to www.law.cornell.edu (secure)]

Gross negligence is a conscious and voluntary disregard of the need to use reasonable care, which is likely to cause foreseeable grave injury or harm to persons, property, or both.

[link to legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com]

Extreme Carelessness = Gross negligence.
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the little people always get the short end of the stick.but history shows that it all comes crashing down in the end. but the people in power are so far technically advanced now . that if the people do rise up and scream enough they will just use the black projects to squash most revolts.the way things are going its heading for all out civil war in the end.
said it before and i will say it again. world leaders have a chance to go down in history as the people who changed the world for the better, or be forgotten or go down in history as the villains. someone will do it one day. i know what path i would choose if i was in that position. but doubt i will live to see that day.
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