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Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon

 
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Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon
Because I lurv you and the fact you are engaging in constitutionally protected rights and taking responsibility for your safety in Obamas brave new world ( order ).


Police officer : License , registration and proof of insurance please .

You: ( Place your hands at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel if driving. If you are a passenger place your hands on the dashboard. If you have passengers instruct them to do the same.)

Officer at this time I would like to inform you for both of our safety I am holding a valid conceal carry permit and am currently concealing a firearm , what do you want me to do ?



Then you simply sit there and wait for his commands.

It is important you open with you are carrying a valid conceal carry permit . Don't ever say " officer I am concealing a firearm " with the intentions of telling him you have a permit to carry it second.

Al he hears is "I have a gun "

So make sure you inform him of your valid permit first.


Second , he may have elevated adrenaline levels when you inform him you are concealing a firearm as not all officers react the same way . Some do not want you to have that right and don't like the fact you can carry a firearm . So , if he begins to yell commands remain calm . Listen to what he is saying and only move when commanded. NO VOLLUNTARY ACTIONS like reaching for your wallet UNLESS you have been instructed to do so and then inform the officer of the pocket it is in and you are complying with his command BEFORE you attempt to reach for it so he knows what exactly is occurring .


Most cops like the fact you are helping them do their job by taking responsibility for your own safety lawfully carrying . But some don't . So never expect the same behavior from the cop twice .



That is route one. Second option.
This is markedly less safe for all but depending on the state you live in ( check for yourself ) is an option . Cops don't like knowing you have a lawfully or unlawfully concealed firearm by patting you down or by even asking you if you have a gun on you . So a courtesy notification at the beginning of a stop is always best imho .

Second option : Non disclosure. If your weapon is well concealed and your state law does not require disclosure You can lawfully just not mention your lawfully concealed firearm

This would be most helpful in situations you are 99% sure the cop won't be doing a roadside investigation asking you if you have a gun .

Situation like this would be if you have a broken taillight and the person carrying is not the driver. The police may ask for your ID if he does give it to him if you're going this route. Don't give the cop ANY shit . If you smart off or start reciting civil rights and 4th amendment this may trigger a roadside investigation in which you ARE LAWFULLY REQUIRED to tell the officer you have a firearm if asked .

If that happens you are in danger. Now the cop is going to see you as a person that didn't give a courtesy notification and doesn't care about his safety / piece of mind. No good.

In this scenario.

Officer : 4th amendment ? What , are you a lawyer now ? Sir , please step out of the car. Do you have any guns , bombs , aircraft in your vehicle ? ( they add bombs and aircraft to see if you laugh or maintain a rigid nervous composure to see if you may have something to hide. )

You : ( You now want to extend your arms out to your side away from your body. You want your hands as far away from the gun as possible when you now inform him standing in front of you that you have a gun . You ARE in the danger zone at this point.

Wouldn't it have been easier to notify him with your hands on the wheel in a submissive/neutral body position ?)

Sir , I am holding a valid conceal carry permit and am concealing a firearm on my person . what do you want me to do .

Now you calmly wait for instructions and be ready for his nervous adrenaline filled screaming of commands at this point cause you are both in a neutral/offensive position because you are squared off depending on your position / proximity to each other . Don't panic . Try to listen to the screaming for the commands .

Then slowly and deliberately follow his commands.


HOWEVER , it is always best to notify him of your carry status when your hands are on the wheel/dash and in a non threatening seated position . So just do it . You are legal and have nothing to worry about and he will probably be more at ease because you notified him right away showing concern for him and yourself.
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07/07/2016 01:57 PM
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Re: Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon
When pulled over, I first prepare by having my drivers license, insurance card, and concealed carry permit card in my hand. I roll down the window and make sure the officer can see my hands as I prepare. I hand over all three cards at the same time.

When he walks up, I keep my hands where he can see them and address him in a friendly, professional manner.

I always make sure to pull over in a well-lighted area where he can see what I am doing.

If I have passengers, I advise them to keep their hands on the dash where the officer can see them.

NEVER fail to disclose your concealed carry permit. That is a crime in itself in most states.

NEVER fail to precisely follow directions.

This advice goes double if you are a minority that may be considered crime or violence-prone.

What happened in MN was a tragedy. Let us pray for cool heads and justice be served.
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07/07/2016 02:02 PM
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bump and Pine !!

Atleast pine it for a little while . It just may save a lawful conceal carring GLP'ers life !!!
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07/07/2016 02:08 PM
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Re: Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon
When pulled over, I first prepare by having my drivers license, insurance card, and concealed carry permit card in my hand. I roll down the window and make sure the officer can see my hands as I prepare. I hand over all three cards at the same time.

When he walks up, I keep my hands where he can see them and address him in a friendly, professional manner.

I always make sure to pull over in a well-lighted area where he can see what I am doing.

If I have passengers, I advise them to keep their hands on the dash where the officer can see them.

NEVER fail to disclose your concealed carry permit. That is a crime in itself in most states.

NEVER fail to precisely follow directions.

This advice goes double if you are a minority that may be considered crime or violence-prone.

What happened in MN was a tragedy. Let us pray for cool heads and justice be served.
 Quoting: darth 65107755


There is no disclosure mandate in Florida. But I agree it usually is better to just let the officer know for both your sake.

But there have been instances I had interactions with the police and didn't tell them . And I was fine. But I will say I only forgo notification in circumstances I know there will be no investigation of me or my effects.
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07/07/2016 02:12 PM
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Re: Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon
I don't require the governments permission via a license to carry concealed in my State as long as I am legally able to own a handgun.

LEO knows this and they act accordingly.

Which is why we don't get shot during traffic stops here.
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07/07/2016 02:21 PM
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Re: Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon
Good info.

But the fact remains this law is about as useful as a no gun sign. Absolutely ridiculous and useless.

And let's not even discuss the fact about SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
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07/07/2016 02:26 PM
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Why don't you add in sucking his dick too?
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07/07/2016 02:30 PM
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Re: Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon
Good info.

But the fact remains this law is about as useful as a no gun sign. Absolutely ridiculous and useless.

And let's not even discuss the fact about SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71886315


I hear ya pal. But this pertains to a street level stop. This is NOT the time to start reciting the constitution or bill of rights when you are carrying a gun .

True story . A man out on indiatlantic got pulled over near where I live.

The he disclosed to the police officer her had a permit and was carrying . The cop went apeshit pulled his gun . Freakin carrier almost got shot .

Later when the cop was asked why he reacted so crazy and pulled his gun .

Cop : At that time I wasn't aware it was lawful for a private citizen to carry a firearm in any manner nor did I know about " conceal carry weapons and firearms permit " .

I thought the guy was lying to me just so I didn't shoot him .



THE COP DIDN'T EVEN KNOW CONCEAL CARRY EXISTED . You wanna start arguing your rights with a guy like that when you have a gun on you ? I don't .
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07/07/2016 02:39 PM
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Re: Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon
Good info.

But the fact remains this law is about as useful as a no gun sign. Absolutely ridiculous and useless.

And let's not even discuss the fact about SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71886315


I hear ya pal. But this pertains to a street level stop. This is NOT the time to start reciting the constitution or bill of rights when you are carrying a gun .

True story . A man out on indiatlantic got pulled over near where I live.

The he disclosed to the police officer her had a permit and was carrying . The cop went apeshit pulled his gun . Freakin carrier almost got shot .

Later when the cop was asked why he reacted so crazy and pulled his gun .

Cop : At that time I wasn't aware it was lawful for a private citizen to carry a firearm in any manner nor did I know about " conceal carry weapons and firearms permit " .

I thought the guy was lying to me just so I didn't shoot him .



THE COP DIDN'T EVEN KNOW CONCEAL CARRY EXISTED . You wanna start arguing your rights with a guy like that when you have a gun on you ? I don't .
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70749387


It doesn't sound like the guy was arguing at all, and the cop was still an idiot.

I've been disarmed and given my weapon back as a passenger in a vehicle where the driver had weed (and his weapon) on him. Trust me, I know how to play the game.

Still....
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07/07/2016 02:41 PM
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Re: Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon
Rules?

Law?

Not anymore.

That shit went right out the door today.
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07/07/2016 02:54 PM

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Re: Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon
The only thing I agree with is being respectful. They don't need to know that I have guns in my vehicle. It is for MY protection, NOT theirs. As long as They keep theirs holstered, nobody has to die.
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07/07/2016 02:59 PM
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The only thing I agree with is being respectful. They don't need to know that I have guns in my vehicle. It is for MY protection, NOT theirs. As long as They keep theirs holstered, nobody has to die.
 Quoting: ShiftShaper


Agreed, but I believe they know if you have a permit if they scan your plates (too bad you can't tell if a criminal has a weapon this way). Then, when you fail to inform, you've broken the law. Not to mention some cops think you have to tell them even if you aren't carrying that day (which you always should be).
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07/07/2016 03:13 PM
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Re: Correct procedure for informing a police officer you are carrying a lawfully concealed weapon
You do not need a permit to conceal carry in your automobile in GA and several other states.
In GA, your auto is considered an extension of your personal property.
Just FYI
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07/07/2016 03:23 PM
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Police officer : License , registration and proof of insurance please .

You: ( Place your hands at 10 and 2 on the steering wheel if driving. If you are a passenger place your hands on the dashboard. If you have passengers instruct them to do the same.)

Officer at this time I would like to inform you for both of our safety I am holding a valid conceal carry permit and am currently concealing a firearm , what do you want me to do ?



Then you simply sit there and wait for his commands.


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And then, BANG! Settled it.

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07/07/2016 03:31 PM
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Good advice OP. In our state your gun must be under control of the CCW at all times. What this means is that if you carry in the glove box and you have a passenger it damn well better be locked. Because the passenger (who probably hasn't a CCW) can get access to the weapon.

Ya I know lame, but put it under the drivers seat if you have a passenger.
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07/07/2016 03:32 PM

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Last Edited by ShiftShaper on 07/07/2016 05:25 PM
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07/07/2016 03:36 PM
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Render obeisance. Prostrate yourself and beg to be treated decently. Provide your "permission to exercise natural rights documents" on command. Hope and pray the Policeman doesn't want to kill you.

...and things "should be fine".
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07/07/2016 03:36 PM
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The proper way is to double tap faciasts
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Very nice. The only thing I would add. . is take the keys out of the ignition and put them on the dash board in plain sight while your hands are at the 10 and 2 o'clock position. I have my wallet up there as well so when he or she asks for drivers license what I am reaching for is in plain sight.
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You do not need a permit to conceal carry in your automobile in GA and several other states.
In GA, your auto is considered an extension of your personal property.
Just FYI
 Quoting: N3m3s1s


Nor in florida. This was pertaining to conceal carriers who have a firearm on their person .





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