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Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse

 
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Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse
Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings (D) stood next to Texas Governor Greg Abbott (R) and dropped an extremely uncomfortable reality check: Open Carry, the movement pushed with near-fanatical obsession by Texas Republicans, not only did nothing to help stop the mass shooting of police officers in Dallas, but it actually made the situation far worse. Open Carry had an opportunity to justify its existence – and it failed on every conceivable level.

For Rawlings, examining the aftermath of the shooting made it clear that having dozens of scared civilians clinging to assault-style weapons during a mass shooting was a recipe for disaster. The “good guys with guns” didn’t suddenly become action heroes bravely stopping a heavily-armed lunatic. They acted like any of us would: When the shooting started, they scattered in every direction in terror of their lives. Only unlike others, these fleeing victims were strapped with weapons that sowed confusion. Any of them could have been a shooter attempting to blend in. At a moment when cops were being targeted by a sniper, officers had to track down these “innocent” gunmen just to make sure they weren’t one of the bad guys.

Here’s how bad the situation became in Dallas during the shooting:

Rawlings said Dallas police Chief David Brown told him that people running through the shooting scene with rifles and body armor required officers to track them down and bring them to the police department. Whether that was time that could have been spent trying to find and stop the shooter is something police will have to comment on, Rawlings said.

In other words, the exact reason gun rights activists often give to justify “guns everywhere” bills is false. They don’t keep people safe, they put people’s lives at risk by causing chaos.
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A major in the Dallas police department was equally furious about the danger Open Carriers put the rest of the population in. Maj. Max Geron pointed out that the police scanner was filled with chatter of confused officers desperately trying to figure out who was a bad guy and who was an Open Carry supporter while calls of “officer down” continued to ring out.
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Just because a state has open carry laws does not mean that people DO open carry. In fact, in many of these states, when someone does open carry, even just a handgun, the general public reacts with fear and calls the police.
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Just because a state has open carry laws does not mean that people DO open carry. In fact, in many of these states, when someone does open carry, even just a handgun, the general public reacts with fear and calls the police.
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A major in the Dallas police department was equally furious about the danger Open Carriers put the rest of the population in. Maj. Max Geron pointed out that the police scanner was filled with chatter of confused officers desperately trying to figure out who was a bad guy and who was an Open Carry supporter while calls of “officer down” continued to ring out.
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Democrats towing the party line.
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If plainclothes civilians went after the suspect with guns drawn, they would have been shot by police. THAT would have been the biggest security issue. The people open carrying knew it, the police knew it, and that dildo mayor knows it.

Many more variables at play here than this douchebag is factoring in with his purposefully misleading statement.
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LOL

He is an anti-White, anti-American Democrat who panders to all the victim groups to get elected.


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blah blah blah

it's part of your nations culture

it's in your constitution


shut up, stop looking for stats, stop with all the fake shooting, stop lying in the media


just stop, just fuck off
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Mike Rawlings is a liberal tard, everyone knows that. ANs nobody in Texas really likes him.
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A major in the Dallas police department was equally furious about the danger Open Carriers put the rest of the population in. Maj. Max Geron pointed out that the police scanner was filled with chatter of confused officers desperately trying to figure out who was a bad guy and who was an Open Carry supporter while calls of “officer down” continued to ring out.
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Cowards dont suddenly become brave. Guns will never make cowards brave, pumps up there ego but as proven when shit really hits the fan, they will all scatter yelling, "run away" like monty python and the holy grail. Texas really dropped the ball here when it comes to reality vs self hyped image.
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Mike Rawlings is a liberal tard, everyone knows that. ANs nobody in Texas really likes him.
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Re: Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse
Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings (D) stood next to Texas Governor Greg Abbott (R) and dropped an extremely uncomfortable reality check: Open Carry, the movement pushed with near-fanatical obsession by Texas Republicans, not only did nothing to help stop the mass shooting of police officers in Dallas, but it actually made the situation far worse. Open Carry had an opportunity to justify its existence – and it failed on every conceivable level.

For Rawlings, examining the aftermath of the shooting made it clear that having dozens of scared civilians clinging to assault-style weapons during a mass shooting was a recipe for disaster. The “good guys with guns” didn’t suddenly become action heroes bravely stopping a heavily-armed lunatic. They acted like any of us would: When the shooting started, they scattered in every direction in terror of their lives. Only unlike others, these fleeing victims were strapped with weapons that sowed confusion. Any of them could have been a shooter attempting to blend in. At a moment when cops were being targeted by a sniper, officers had to track down these “innocent” gunmen just to make sure they weren’t one of the bad guys.

Here’s how bad the situation became in Dallas during the shooting:

Rawlings said Dallas police Chief David Brown told him that people running through the shooting scene with rifles and body armor required officers to track them down and bring them to the police department. Whether that was time that could have been spent trying to find and stop the shooter is something police will have to comment on, Rawlings said.

In other words, the exact reason gun rights activists often give to justify “guns everywhere” bills is false. They don’t keep people safe, they put people’s lives at risk by causing chaos.
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 Quoting: Mayor Mike Rawlings 72375885


This is absolute, 100%, complete and utter nonsense! Open carry does NOT give the carrier the authority to be Rambo. Open carriers are NOT cops, we're NOT the army, we're NOT there to save you unarmed democrats from armed democrats trying to kill you.

Open Carry is for self defense, not defense of the general public, dumbass. The Mayor is an uninformed idiot.
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If plainclothes civilians went after the suspect with guns drawn, they would have been shot by police. THAT would have been the biggest security issue. The people open carrying knew it, the police knew it, and that dildo mayor knows it.

Many more variables at play here than this douchebag is factoring in with his purposefully misleading statement.
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EXACTLY MOTHERFUCKING CORRECT!
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Open carry didn't help the police either, now did it?

Maybe, the police should give up their guns.

Or maybe the Mayor is a dipshit.
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his statement is delusional, by his own logic the cops shouldn't have had guns either...chief just went into the Marxist shitbag column like the mayor for me
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his statement is delusional, by his own logic the cops shouldn't have had guns either...chief just went into the Marxist shitbag column like the mayor for me
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Except 50 civilians were not killed so I'd say maybe open carry wasn't such a bad thing.
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If plainclothes civilians went after the suspect with guns drawn, they would have been shot by police. THAT would have been the biggest security issue. The people open carrying knew it, the police knew it, and that dildo mayor knows it.

Many more variables at play here than this douchebag is factoring in with his purposefully misleading statement.
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Exactly, responsible people who carry guns act in a responsible manner....
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Most people who use guns, use them for self defense only, yet they can be lumped in with those few bad apples who are using guns to attack, guns save more lives via their defensive role then they take in the offensive role, so again the lefties and libtards hate it when people stereotype and generalize certain groups yet have no problem doing the same to others when their greater good ends are justified in their minds to enact similar means of segregation and control 5a
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If plainclothes civilians went after the suspect with guns drawn, they would have been shot by police. THAT would have been the biggest security issue. The people open carrying knew it, the police knew it, and that dildo mayor knows it.

Many more variables at play here than this douchebag is factoring in with his purposefully misleading statement.
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So what you're saying is open carry will not prevent these types of mass shootings. Other armed civilians would have, in fact, caused another security issue.
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Open Carry of LONG RIFLES (and not single action type rifles either) in a Large Protest situation where there is an active shooter DOES MEAN that the police have to initially assume EVERY PERSON carrying a LONG RIFLE IS the possible shooter.

They can NOT TAKE CHANCES that the person is just an innocent bystander since the consequences of that conclusion, if it is wrong, will mean the deaths of many more.

The more of those types around ... the more people needed to be thoroughly checked out by the police, ie: detained and sent to the station - it is unlikely they will release them at the street level, which will distract them from finding the actual shooter.

One of these days one or more of those OPEN CARRY LONG RIFLE TYPES who are in a mass shooter situation where there is an active shooter ARE going to get shot by the police who think that THAT person IS one of the active shooters. It is just bound to happen.

If those carrying LONG RIFLES in a Large Protest situation are there to only "protect themselves" why in the heck are they even going to a Large Protest to begin with?

I believe in Open Carry .... but NOT a LONG RIFLE in a large crowd in a Mass Protest situation
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If plainclothes civilians went after the suspect with guns drawn, they would have been shot by police. THAT would have been the biggest security issue. The people open carrying knew it, the police knew it, and that dildo mayor knows it.

Many more variables at play here than this douchebag is factoring in with his purposefully misleading statement.
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So what you're saying is open carry will not prevent these types of mass shootings. Other armed civilians would have, in fact, caused another security issue.
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Keeping guns out of the hands of liberals will stop the mass shootings. Most of them are armed democrats killing unarmed democrats. An OC republican has no duty to save an unarmed democrat from an armed democrat intent on killing them.
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Re: Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse
Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings (D) stood next to Texas Governor Greg Abbott (R) and dropped an extremely uncomfortable reality check: Open Carry, the movement pushed with near-fanatical obsession by Texas Republicans, not only did nothing to help stop the mass shooting of police officers in Dallas, but it actually made the situation far worse. Open Carry had an opportunity to justify its existence – and it failed on every conceivable level.

For Rawlings, examining the aftermath of the shooting made it clear that having dozens of scared civilians clinging to assault-style weapons during a mass shooting was a recipe for disaster. The “good guys with guns” didn’t suddenly become action heroes bravely stopping a heavily-armed lunatic. They acted like any of us would: When the shooting started, they scattered in every direction in terror of their lives. Only unlike others, these fleeing victims were strapped with weapons that sowed confusion. Any of them could have been a shooter attempting to blend in. At a moment when cops were being targeted by a sniper, officers had to track down these “innocent” gunmen just to make sure they weren’t one of the bad guys.

Here’s how bad the situation became in Dallas during the shooting:

Rawlings said Dallas police Chief David Brown told him that people running through the shooting scene with rifles and body armor required officers to track them down and bring them to the police department. Whether that was time that could have been spent trying to find and stop the shooter is something police will have to comment on, Rawlings said.

In other words, the exact reason gun rights activists often give to justify “guns everywhere” bills is false. They don’t keep people safe, they put people’s lives at risk by causing chaos.
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 Quoting: Mayor Mike Rawlings 72375885


This is absolute, 100%, complete and utter nonsense! Open carry does NOT give the carrier the authority to be Rambo. Open carriers are NOT cops, we're NOT the army, we're NOT there to save you unarmed democrats from armed democrats trying to kill you.

Open Carry is for self defense, not defense of the general public, dumbass. The Mayor is an uninformed idiot.
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Really because every time there is a mass shooting gun nut always say that it would have been prevented, or less people would have been killed if more people had guns. Donald Trump even said so. Now you are tucking your tail when you were proven wrong. You're trying to pull a Trump and deny something you have said before, when your statements make you look like a fool.
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his statement is delusional, by his own logic the cops shouldn't have had guns either...chief just went into the Marxist shitbag column like the mayor for me
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Um no tard.. cops can easily identify other cops in uniform.
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Dallas Mayor Mike Rawlings (D) stood next to Texas Governor Greg Abbott (R) and dropped an extremely uncomfortable reality check: Open Carry, the movement pushed with near-fanatical obsession by Texas Republicans, not only did nothing to help stop the mass shooting of police officers in Dallas, but it actually made the situation far worse. Open Carry had an opportunity to justify its existence – and it failed on every conceivable level.

For Rawlings, examining the aftermath of the shooting made it clear that having dozens of scared civilians clinging to assault-style weapons during a mass shooting was a recipe for disaster. The “good guys with guns” didn’t suddenly become action heroes bravely stopping a heavily-armed lunatic. They acted like any of us would: When the shooting started, they scattered in every direction in terror of their lives. Only unlike others, these fleeing victims were strapped with weapons that sowed confusion. Any of them could have been a shooter attempting to blend in. At a moment when cops were being targeted by a sniper, officers had to track down these “innocent” gunmen just to make sure they weren’t one of the bad guys.

Here’s how bad the situation became in Dallas during the shooting:

Rawlings said Dallas police Chief David Brown told him that people running through the shooting scene with rifles and body armor required officers to track them down and bring them to the police department. Whether that was time that could have been spent trying to find and stop the shooter is something police will have to comment on, Rawlings said.

In other words, the exact reason gun rights activists often give to justify “guns everywhere” bills is false. They don’t keep people safe, they put people’s lives at risk by causing chaos.
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 Quoting: Mayor Mike Rawlings 72375885


This is absolute, 100%, complete and utter nonsense! Open carry does NOT give the carrier the authority to be Rambo. Open carriers are NOT cops, we're NOT the army, we're NOT there to save you unarmed democrats from armed democrats trying to kill you.

Open Carry is for self defense, not defense of the general public, dumbass. The Mayor is an uninformed idiot.
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Really because every time there is a mass shooting gun nut always say that it would have been prevented, or less people would have been killed if more people had guns. Donald Trump even said so. Now you are tucking your tail when you were proven wrong. You're trying to pull a Trump and deny something you have said before, when your statements make you look like a fool.
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I can't figure out whether you're Beavis, or Butthead. Fewer armed republicans will be killed. If some armed democrat is trying to kill me or my family, I will absolutely respond - ie, fewer deaths. However, if some armed democrat is trying to kill YOU, you're on your own. Your safety is not my problem, nor do I give a shit one way or the other what happens between you two. You and the armed, murderous, democrat can deal with the issues amongst yourselves.
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Open Carry of LONG RIFLES (and not single action type rifles either) in a Large Protest situation where there is an active shooter DOES MEAN that the police have to initially assume EVERY PERSON carrying a LONG RIFLE IS the possible shooter.

They can NOT TAKE CHANCES that the person is just an innocent bystander since the consequences of that conclusion, if it is wrong, will mean the deaths of many more.

The more of those types around ... the more people needed to be thoroughly checked out by the police, ie: detained and sent to the station - it is unlikely they will release them at the street level, which will distract them from finding the actual shooter.

One of these days one or more of those OPEN CARRY LONG RIFLE TYPES who are in a mass shooter situation where there is an active shooter ARE going to get shot by the police who think that THAT person IS one of the active shooters. It is just bound to happen.

If those carrying LONG RIFLES in a Large Protest situation are there to only "protect themselves" why in the heck are they even going to a Large Protest to begin with?

I believe in Open Carry .... but NOT a LONG RIFLE in a large crowd in a Mass Protest situation
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To add to this:

Ohio is an "Open Carry" state and several groups have already said that they will be carrying LONG RIFLES in the crowds at the protests planned for the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

Cleveland Cops are known for their SHOOT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER, mindest when it comes to armed people in a shooting situation. Just in the last 3 years they have engaged in that "sport" activity a number of times.

You get a Dallas situation in Cleveland during the Republican Convention ... if you are carrying a Long Rifle in the protest group - or around it's edges - you should EXPECT TO BE SHOT YOURSELF BY THE POLICE if a mass shooting breaks out and chaos rages.

Think Waco and the "shootout" by the Police - actually a targeted shooting of the Bikers by the Police, that is probably what it will look like after it's over, more dead Open Carry types than actual active shooters.
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Weren't all of the "good guys with guns" far away from where the protests or walk took place?

I wouldn't want to be anywhere near that bullshit.
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If I were in a riot, I'd much rather be next to an open carry citizen than a politician. The open carry person will tell the truth, the politician can't.





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