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Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse

 
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Re: Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse
And the Dallas Police Chief is on the TV right now bragging about Dallas' record low crime and murder rates. Perhaps open carry is part of the reason for those gains. Seems like the Mayor's statement is BS.
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Again the best way to stop a bad cop with a gun...is a good cop with a pink slip. Send the cowboys back to the range mayor.
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And yet, none of these "open carry non-heroes" were killed, so I'd say it worked for them. Where in the open carry rule book does it say that it is my responsibility to stop a mass shooting? My responsibility ends at myself and my loved ones. Anyone else saved by me is just an added benefit.

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Again the best way to stop a bad cop with a gun...is a good cop with a pink slip. Send the cowboys back to the range mayor.
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This has what to do with the issue at hand????

Those protesting the cops were running to hide behind them when the crazy ass negro with a rifle started shooting. The cops were moving TOWARD the gunfire as the protestors ran to hide behind the cops.

If you want to disarm cops, disarm the ones protecting the idiots at the DNC convention. Let's see how well that works.
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Re: Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse
And yet, none of these "open carry non-heroes" were killed, so I'd say it worked for them. Where in the open carry rule book does it say that it is my responsibility to stop a mass shooting? My responsibility ends at myself and my loved ones. Anyone else saved by me is just and added benefit.

MoS
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Well said!
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Re: Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse
So who here is taking the NRA backing Republican Party to task for not allowing OPEN CARRY OF LONG GUNS INSIDE the Republican National Convention next week?

See a LOT of BS posted on this thread that you should be able to carry a loaded LONG GUN ANYWHERE ... but then those posters are strangely silent about SCREAMING about the Republicans banning them from INSIDE the National Convention.

Hypocrites is what I call posters like that.

Total and Complete HYPOCRITES!!


Loaded long guns "everywhere" FOR EVERYBODY ... means loaded long guns "EVERYWHERE",
including inside Political Conventions,
inside Political Rallies,
inside Bars, inside Courtrooms,
inside Hospitals,
inside Airports,
inside Airports,
inside Airplanes,
inside Work places,
inside Schools,
.... EVERYWHERE MEANS EVERYWHERE!!
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Re: Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse
Open Carry of LONG RIFLES (and not single action type rifles either) in a Large Protest situation where there is an active shooter DOES MEAN that the police have to initially assume EVERY PERSON carrying a LONG RIFLE IS the possible shooter.

They can NOT TAKE CHANCES that the person is just an innocent bystander since the consequences of that conclusion, if it is wrong, will mean the deaths of many more.

The more of those types around ... the more people needed to be thoroughly checked out by the police, ie: detained and sent to the station - it is unlikely they will release them at the street level, which will distract them from finding the actual shooter.

One of these days one or more of those OPEN CARRY LONG RIFLE TYPES who are in a mass shooter situation where there is an active shooter ARE going to get shot by the police who think that THAT person IS one of the active shooters. It is just bound to happen.

If those carrying LONG RIFLES in a Large Protest situation are there to only "protect themselves" why in the heck are they even going to a Large Protest to begin with?

I believe in Open Carry .... but NOT a LONG RIFLE in a large crowd in a Mass Protest situation
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52154903


To add to this:

Ohio is an "Open Carry" state and several groups have already said that they will be carrying LONG RIFLES in the crowds at the protests planned for the Republican National Convention in Cleveland.

Cleveland Cops are known for their SHOOT FIRST, ASK QUESTIONS LATER, mindest when it comes to armed people in a shooting situation. Just in the last 3 years they have engaged in that "sport" activity a number of times.

You get a Dallas situation in Cleveland during the Republican Convention ... if you are carrying a Long Rifle in the protest group - or around it's edges - you should EXPECT TO BE SHOT YOURSELF BY THE POLICE if a mass shooting breaks out and chaos rages.

Think Waco and the "shootout" by the Police - actually a targeted shooting of the Bikers by the Police, that is probably what it will look like after it's over, more dead Open Carry types than actual active shooters.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52154903


Anybody want to give any "Odds" on the risk of a mass shooting during one of the Mass Protests at the Republican Convention?

If Open Carry is so great ... WHY ARE GUNS, particularly Long Guns, BEING BANNED INSIDE THE REPUBLICAN CONVENTION ITSELF?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52154903


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Interesting response below ... BUT NO RESPONSE FROM THOSE ADVOCATING OPEN CARRY IN LARGE PROTEST CROWD SITUATIONS?

Personally I think it would add to the excitement of the Republicn Convention to see a few hundred LOADED LONG GUNS inside the Convention Hall!! ... which seems to be what the Open Carry advocates CRAVE

Nothing could possibly go wrong ... could it?

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So who here is taking the NRA backing Republican Party to task for not allowing OPEN CARRY OF LONG GUNS INSIDE the Republican National Convention next week?

See a LOT of BS posted on this thread that you should be able to carry a loaded LONG GUN ANYWHERE ... but then those posters are strangely silent about SCREAMING about the Republicans banning them from INSIDE the National Convention.

Hypocrites is what I call posters like that.

Total and Complete HYPOCRITES!!


Loaded long guns "everywhere" FOR EVERYBODY ... means loaded long guns "EVERYWHERE",
including inside Political Conventions,
inside Political Rallies,
inside Bars, inside Courtrooms,
inside Hospitals,
inside Airports,
inside Airports,
inside Airplanes,
inside Work places,
inside Schools,
.... EVERYWHERE MEANS EVERYWHERE!!

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Re: Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse
Absolute Dog Balls -

Every private citizen that chooses to carry concealed or open in Texas should be calling the Dallas mayor out for his irresponsible comments. This narrative that anyone without a badge but has a gun could be a bad guy has already been debated and debunked before they even passed open carry in Texas. Anyone in Texas that holds political office and shares this view is injecting an opinion that the facts do not support. Licensed private weapon permit holders commit crimes at a lower rate than off duty law enforcement nationwide.

The implication that law abiding gun owners are culpable in any way of the deaths of the officers that were gun downed by a racially motivated murderer is repulsive. If you are still supporting any notion that it is the gun and not the man behind it you are part of the problem. If you take the position that knowing there were likely hundreds of concealed weapons in Dallas that night but seeing one AR-15 being legally carried by a black man in the crowd added to the deaths you are part of the problem.

And finally - if you buy the false narrative claim that licensed private citizens carrying did not engage the shooter when there were dozens of law enforcement responding and engaging the shooter and therefore guns don't keep people safe proves you have never been trained in the usage and laws that law abiding gun carriers adhere to. While we will and are legally allowed to use our weapons in the defense of others, including law enforcement. I don't hear anyone except the leftists and the racists entertaining this false narrative.

We are not carrying because we want to become action heroes you moron. We carry to protect our families. The reason why law abiding citizens support Law Enforcement is because we recognize the sacrifice they make to hold back the wave of violence and crime committed by the wolves in our society. Under the conditions that played out in Dallas, I see nothing less than bravery and courage. Law abiding gun carriers retreating from the scene while law enforcement engaged him is reasonable and rational. Dismissing that all the supposed Black Lives Matters supporters that were chanting - back up back up, we want freedom freedom, all these racist ass cops we don't need em need em are not the larger chaos contributors than law abiding gun carriers is grossly naive or dishonest.

How about we have an honest conversation about BlackLivesMatters, NBPP, BAMN, Occupy, ANTIFA, The Democratic Party supporting all of them and the broader violence we have seen across the country against the sheepdogs in blue.

I stand with those brave men and women on that thin blue line.

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Re: Dallas Mayor Calls Bullshit On Open Carry: It Didn’t Help During Shooting, And Made Things Worse
open carry is not about helping the police

open carry is not about intimidation.

open carry is about protecting yourself and your family.





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