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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70278209 United States 07/24/2016 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The title of this thread is confusing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72653902 Trump repealing this law will actually help 3rd parties. The thread title sounds as if Trump will repeal a law that is helping 3rd parties. Just sayin' 5 stars though - it's important to point out what he is doing. He's proposing free speech for churches, which is a good thing. |
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Cryin Wont Help Ya User ID: 45003661 United States 07/24/2016 05:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not sure I would want my church telling us whom to vote for. I think that's outside the realm of church authority. It takes away from the individuals right and duty to do their own due diligence and I think it would very easily create groups of reactionary voters who rely on their religious leaders to do all the fact checking and reasoning for them. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72653902 Spain 07/24/2016 05:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The title of this thread is confusing. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72653902 Trump repealing this law will actually help 3rd parties. The thread title sounds as if Trump will repeal a law that is helping 3rd parties. Just sayin' 5 stars though - it's important to point out what he is doing. He's proposing free speech for churches, which is a good thing. Yes obviously. If the title would be "Trump to repeal law that blocks free speech for churces" it would be much clearer what is meant. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70278209 United States 07/24/2016 05:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not sure I would want my church telling us whom to vote for. I think that's outside the realm of church authority. It takes away from the individuals right and duty to do their own due diligence and I think it would very easily create groups of reactionary voters who rely on their religious leaders to do all the fact checking and reasoning for them. Quoting: Cryin Wont Help Ya Even if true, doesn't matter, free speech is free speech. If you're in a church whose political stance you don't respect, maybe you should change churches. There are thousands and thousands of churches, hundreds if not thousands of denominations, churches represent every political viewpoint imaginable, even if unexpressed. Creating thousands and thousands of townhalls where political opinions can expressed, discussed and accepted or rejected will do nothing but improve the political landscape of the USA. The two party two option/opinion current system is not working, it just stifles free thought. |
Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | We have people going all around spewing hate nonstop while our churches can't talk about who they think is best to run the country. Just crazy to me I guess. I'm sure many churches would still push the repub and dems , but many might not , and thats why I say help 3rd parties. Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |
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Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They were afraid they would overthrow the constitution I would imagine , but im not sure why. Our constitution already states our unalienable rights come from the creator. The church is attacked for this very reason, do away with god , rights can only come from our human rulers , witch is what they seek. Last Edited by Mr.Liberty1776 on 07/24/2016 05:25 PM Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70278209 United States 07/24/2016 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They were afraid they would overthrow the constitution I would imagine , but im not sure why. Our constitution already states our unalienable rights come from the creator. Quoting: Mr.Liberty1776 The church is attacked for this very reason, do away with god , rights can only come from our human rulers , witch is what they seek. They wanted the two political parties to have a monopoly on public political discourse. The Civil Rights movement wouldn't have happened without the churches, Black and White. They had to put that kind of power back in the box, and it was a Democrat who did it. |
Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 05:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They were afraid they would overthrow the constitution I would imagine , but im not sure why. Our constitution already states our unalienable rights come from the creator. Quoting: Mr.Liberty1776 The church is attacked for this very reason, do away with god , rights can only come from our human rulers , witch is what they seek. They wanted the two political parties to have a monopoly on public political discourse. The Civil Rights movement wouldn't have happened without the churches, Black and White. They had to put that kind of power back in the box, and it was a Democrat who did it. Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |
Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 05:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well got to run for a few and make me and momma bear some dinner. Thanks to all for your comments. Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64737393 United States 07/24/2016 06:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why is it so important for a politican in the US to be a christian? In Belgium for example religion is something personal and its all about what the parties want to do thats important not religion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72650344 Pretty obvious if 83% of Americans profess to be Christian, that makes them the super majority in all its legislations and elections. With this many Christians in the USA, Christian Voters, its a small wonder that that part of the 1st Amendment has not been repealed that of the "freedom of religion." But then sound minded Christians understand the necessity of that "freedom of religion" and why it is not "freedom from religion" in that part of the 1st Amendment. But then to Christians I will tell them that the Lord and Master of the original Church of Jesus Christ, that very Lord, even paid his Roman Taxes as well as the Temple Taxes. He did not demand tax exemption for his own Church. And what is this always about "3rd Parties"? Why not ALL political Parties being aided by the Trumps purposed repeal? ALL POLITICAL PARTIES MATTER. |
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Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | why is it so important for a politican in the US to be a christian? In Belgium for example religion is something personal and its all about what the parties want to do thats important not religion. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72650344 Pretty obvious if 83% of Americans profess to be Christian, that makes them the super majority in all its legislations and elections. With this many Christians in the USA, Christian Voters, its a small wonder that that part of the 1st Amendment has not been repealed that of the "freedom of religion." But then sound minded Christians understand the necessity of that "freedom of religion" and why it is not "freedom from religion" in that part of the 1st Amendment. But then to Christians I will tell them that the Lord and Master of the original Church of Jesus Christ, that very Lord, even paid his Roman Taxes as well as the Temple Taxes. He did not demand tax exemption for his own Church. And what is this always about "3rd Parties"? Why not ALL political Parties being aided by the Trumps purposed repeal? ALL POLITICAL PARTIES MATTER. I started this thread due to me being banned in one that I was trying to make the point of a Trump presidency being of value to a 3rd party in the future is all. Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |
Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 06:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Trump says he will work hard to get repealed the law where churches now can't talk politics from the pulpit without losing there tax status. That alone will change a lot of things if he can do it. Quoting: Mr.Liberty1776 The president doesn't repeal laws......so he'll have to work real hard... I agree. Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70110094 United States 07/24/2016 06:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not even the president can repeal that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3945074 Its been to and through the supreme court. It is settled law. Nonsense, it's not a constitutional issue, it can be repealed and should be. The less than supreme court doesn't make law they interpret it. It was rat Johnson who instituted the law in the sixties and it can just as easily be voided. Freedom of speech for corporations but not for churches, that shouldn't stand. That is correct. It's a Johnson amendment policy adopted by the IRS.... It called the Johnson Amendment. Some of these people don't seem to understand that before Trumps talks about shit like this he runs it by his attorneys first to see if its viable... Trust in Trump. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70278209 United States 07/24/2016 06:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not even the president can repeal that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3945074 Its been to and through the supreme court. It is settled law. Congress and the President can Repeal ANY law and even the constitution in it's entirety. No they can't. They'd like to and constantly try, but constitutionally, they can't. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 64737393 United States 07/24/2016 06:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not even the president can repeal that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3945074 Its been to and through the supreme court. It is settled law. Nonsense, it's not a constitutional issue, it can be repealed and should be. The less than supreme court doesn't make law they interpret it. It was rat Johnson who instituted the law in the sixties and it can just as easily be voided. Freedom of speech for corporations but not for churches, that shouldn't stand. That is correct. It's a Johnson amendment policy adopted by the IRS.... It called the Johnson Amendment. Some of these people don't seem to understand that before Trumps talks about shit like this he runs it by his attorneys first to see if its viable... Trust in Trump. Correct |
Tiredgranny User ID: 70382294 United States 07/24/2016 06:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not even the president can repeal that. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3945074 Its been to and through the supreme court. It is settled law. Nonsense, it's not a constitutional issue, it can be repealed and should be. The less than supreme court doesn't make law they interpret it. It was rat Johnson who instituted the law in the sixties and it can just as easily be voided. Freedom of speech for corporations but not for churches, that shouldn't stand. Yep I remember that, his aim was to shut up MLK [link to qanonmap.github.io (secure)] Thread: q-list of abbreviations Thread: "DOT" Global Consciousness Project [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] “You can please some of the people all of the time, you can please all of the people some of the time, but you can’t please all of the people all of the time”.” Quoted by Lincoln-written by John Lydgate THIS world is not conclusion; A sequel stands beyond,Invisible, as music, But positive, as sound.-Emily Dickinson |
Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 07:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not sure I would want my church telling us whom to vote for. I think that's outside the realm of church authority. It takes away from the individuals right and duty to do their own due diligence and I think it would very easily create groups of reactionary voters who rely on their religious leaders to do all the fact checking and reasoning for them. Quoting: Cryin Wont Help Ya I wouldn't want that either. If I was going to a church and they were telling me I had to vote for someone and I didn't agree I would find a new church. But they should be able to speak freely and have open dialog between themselves. Same as I wouldn't like a union to tell me. Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |
DGenesis1:29 User ID: 72493248 United States 07/24/2016 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Trump says he will work hard to get repealed the law where churches now can't talk politics from the pulpit without losing there tax status. That alone will change a lot of things if he can do it. Quoting: Mr.Liberty1776 It's not gonna happen. The Bible talks about how the "image of the beast" is formed, and that happened when the churches accepted the 501c3 tax exempt status. They now must keep their mouths shut in regards to certain political and even prophetic events. Instead, the 501c3 will eventually be realized as the tool the American Churches need to enforce religious law. We might think that will not fly here, but it absolutely will. Enforcing the mark of the beast (Sunday worship) is going to happen soon enough. When it's ugly head finally starts to rear itself in a more blatant view for all eyes to see, prayerfully everyone will wake up, run to God, and resist the powers that be. This great controversy is almost over. |
Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 07:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some worry about the lobbying that would come with it. I myself believe that separation of church and state means only that the government can't sponsor one religion for the nation.Not that they should be barred from any influence in it.(I know many won't agree and thats fine , no need to argue this point.) Look at all the lobbyist we have now. Im sure CAIR lobbies right? I think it would just be a good added check in the system. Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |
Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 07:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some worry about the lobbying that would come with it. I myself believe that separation of church and state means only that the government can't sponsor one religion for the nation.Not that they should be barred from any influence in it.(I know many won't agree and thats fine , no need to argue this point.) Quoting: Mr.Liberty1776 Look at all the lobbyist we have now. Im sure CAIR lobbies right? I think it would just be a good added check in the system. Why can CAIR lobby?Established to promote a positive image of Islam and Muslims in America. Thats religion getting influence is it not? Last Edited by Mr.Liberty1776 on 07/24/2016 07:34 PM Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |
Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some worry about the lobbying that would come with it. I myself believe that separation of church and state means only that the government can't sponsor one religion for the nation.Not that they should be barred from any influence in it.(I know many won't agree and thats fine , no need to argue this point.) Quoting: Mr.Liberty1776 Look at all the lobbyist we have now. Im sure CAIR lobbies right? I think it would just be a good added check in the system. Why can CAIR lobby?Established to promote a positive image of Islam and Muslims in America. Thats religion getting influence is it not? Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |
DGenesis1:29 User ID: 72493248 United States 07/24/2016 07:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some worry about the lobbying that would come with it. I myself believe that separation of church and state means only that the government can't sponsor one religion for the nation.Not that they should be barred from any influence in it.(I know many won't agree and thats fine , no need to argue this point.) Quoting: Mr.Liberty1776 Look at all the lobbyist we have now. Im sure CAIR lobbies right? I think it would just be a good added check in the system. What do you mean when you say, not that they should be barred from any influence from it? None of the 1st 4 commandments have any business being placed into our nations laws. This is a country of religious freedom. As much as I love God, I know that any commandment that directly addresses the God we worship, should not be placed into law. This would be a calamity to toss this aside. Yet, that's exactly what the people are going to try to do, is enforce the 4th Commandment, with a twist, into law. Sunday worship will become mandatory. And if we think it would be hard to get atheists to do this, think again: "The Sunday Assembly was started by Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, two comedians who were on the way to a gig in Bath when they discovered they both wanted to do something that was like church but totally secular and inclusive of all—no matter what they believed." [link to www.sundayassembly.com (secure)] |
Éireann User ID: 72447406 Ireland 07/24/2016 07:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You know? It's a funny thing having a law like that in America of all places. The Quakers, of which my mother's side of the family were members of when they sailed to America from Wales/The Netherlands, often spoke openly of government as it related to the scriptures in the Bible. They questioned the role of man-made government and how that government should be accountable to God, since, according to the scriptures, it stated in Romans 13: 1-7 1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Quoting: Romans 13 KJV with added clarification for the meaning of "to fear" by me.2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. 3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: 4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. 5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. 6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. 7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear (respect) to whom fear (respect); honour to whom honour. I can remember having discussions with my mother about these verses and what they meant and she often quoted from Ben Franklin's speech he gave at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 on the "Dangers of a Salaried Bureaucracy" where he argued: And of what kind are the men that will strive for this profitable preeminence, through all the bustle of cabal, the heat of contention, the infinite mutual abuse of parties, tearing to pieces the best of characters? It will not be the wise and moderate, the lovers of peace and good order, the men fittest for the trust. It will be the bold and the violent, the men of strong passions and indefatigable activity in their selfish pursuits. These will thrust themselves into your government and be your rulers. And these, too, will be mistaken in the expected happiness of their situation, for their vanquished competitors, of the same spirit, and from the same motives, will perpetually be endeavoring to distress their administration, thwart their measures, and render them odious to the people. Quoting: Dangers of a Salaried Bureaucracy - Benjamin Franklin[link to www.bartleby.com] Most people back then got their news from the pulpit. I do not have a problem with the morality requirements of those that govern being discussed from the pulpit or any public forum. It's been a tradition since before this country's founding. Eireann~ I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. - Galatians 2:20 |
Mr.Liberty1776 (OP) User ID: 72226807 United States 07/24/2016 07:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some worry about the lobbying that would come with it. I myself believe that separation of church and state means only that the government can't sponsor one religion for the nation.Not that they should be barred from any influence in it.(I know many won't agree and thats fine , no need to argue this point.) Quoting: Mr.Liberty1776 Look at all the lobbyist we have now. Im sure CAIR lobbies right? I think it would just be a good added check in the system. What do you mean when you say, not that they should be barred from any influence from it? None of the 1st 4 commandments have any business being placed into our nations laws. This is a country of religious freedom. As much as I love God, I know that any commandment that directly addresses the God we worship, should not be placed into law. This would be a calamity to toss this aside. Yet, that's exactly what the people are going to try to do, is enforce the 4th Commandment, with a twist, into law. Sunday worship will become mandatory. And if we think it would be hard to get atheists to do this, think again: "The Sunday Assembly was started by Sanderson Jones and Pippa Evans, two comedians who were on the way to a gig in Bath when they discovered they both wanted to do something that was like church but totally secular and inclusive of all—no matter what they believed." [link to www.sundayassembly.com (secure)] I personally wouldn't want to see that , and I don't think many others would because we do believe in freedom of religion. Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life.. John F. Kennedy, 1961 The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves. |