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Trump to repeal law that will directly help 3rd parties in the USA.

 
Mr.Liberty1776  (OP)

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Now my mind is in overdrive about CAIR lobbying , how do they get away with it? I don't hear many crying foul?
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John F. Kennedy, 1961

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You know? It's a funny thing having a law like that in America of all places.

The Quakers, of which my mother's side of the family were members of when they sailed to America from Wales/The Netherlands, often spoke openly of government as it related to the scriptures in the Bible. They questioned the role of man-made government and how that government should be accountable to God, since, according to the scriptures, it stated in Romans 13: 1-7

1 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear (respect) to whom fear (respect); honour to whom honour.
 Quoting: Romans 13 KJV with added clarification for the meaning of "to fear" by me.


I can remember having discussions with my mother about these verses and what they meant and she often quoted from Ben Franklin's speech he gave at the Constitutional Convention in 1787 on the "Dangers of a Salaried Bureaucracy" where he argued:

And of what kind are the men that will strive for this profitable preeminence, through all the bustle of cabal, the heat of contention, the infinite mutual abuse of parties, tearing to pieces the best of characters? It will not be the wise and moderate, the lovers of peace and good order, the men fittest for the trust. It will be the bold and the violent, the men of strong passions and indefatigable activity in their selfish pursuits. These will thrust themselves into your government and be your rulers. And these, too, will be mistaken in the expected happiness of their situation, for their vanquished competitors, of the same spirit, and from the same motives, will perpetually be endeavoring to distress their administration, thwart their measures, and render them odious to the people.
 Quoting: Dangers of a Salaried Bureaucracy - Benjamin Franklin


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Most people back then got their news from the pulpit. I do not have a problem with the morality requirements of those that govern being discussed from the pulpit or any public forum. It's been a tradition since before this country's founding.
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Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life..

John F. Kennedy, 1961

The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves.
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07/24/2016 08:19 PM
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why is it so important for a politican in the US to be a christian? In Belgium for example religion is something personal and its all about what the parties want to do thats important not religion.
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Because Americans would rather worry about someone's religion than their actions. Sad really, that Americans are so brainwashed by religion.
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07/24/2016 08:37 PM
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Not even the president can repeal that.
Its been to and through the supreme court.
It is settled law.
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But Obumer can try to take away our 2nd amendment. The constitution is law of the land! And should be the only law. It's possible!
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The fact that YOU POSTED this is clear proof the Constitution IS STILL IN FORCE, especially the Amendments, including the first 10.


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why is it so important for a politican in the US to be a christian? In Belgium for example religion is something personal and its all about what the parties want to do thats important not religion.
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It's all about getting the votes, nothing more.
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Not even the president can repeal that.
Its been to and through the supreme court.
It is settled law.
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No. What is supposed "settled and law" is on the presupposition that "Separation of Church and State" is part of the Constitution. It is not. It is an incorrect interpretation of what the Constitution says.

NOTHING. NOTHING prevents pastors from talking about politics from his pulpit.

Except the SUPPOSED "separation of church and state."
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07/24/2016 08:43 PM
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Trump says he will work hard to get repealed the law where churches now can't talk politics from the pulpit without losing there tax status. That alone will change a lot of things if he can do it.
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Does that include mosques though? Could be dangerous.
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NOTHING. NOTHING prevents pastors from talking about politics from his pulpit.
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Except for the document they signed that said they would not. The 501.c3 application form.
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Trump says he will work hard to get repealed the law where churches now can't talk politics from the pulpit without losing there tax status. That alone will change a lot of things if he can do it.
 Quoting: Mr.Liberty1776


So your thread title is a lie.
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I personally wouldn't want to see that , and I don't think many others would because we do believe in freedom of religion.
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Praise God that you wouldn't want to see it. Yet, I want you to understand, that very law, enforcing Sunday Laws, is going to become mandatory. And again, it won't be hard to get all their ducks in a row on this one. How hard do the American people really fight against laws that shouldn't be in force, before bowing under pressure? Nevertheless, it will be seen, the Sunday Laws, as an excellent time for family, etc. Also will seem vital to stopping the calamities, as they continue to increase around this planet.

Even the Jews wouldn't have a problem keeping Sunday holy.

“The first vote on new legislation in the 19th Knesset was initiated as a joint effort between Yesh Atid’s Rabbi Dov Lipman, Jewish Home’s Naftali Bennett, and surprisingly, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Easily passing the vote, the Knesset decided that Sundays would now be an official day off from work.”

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last time I bother looking, about 8 years ago, there were only a few dozen NON 501(c)3 Christian Churches in America.


why is it so important for a church to be non-profit and tax exempt?

it's so the church gets more $$$, period, end of story.

the people can give more because they can write it off and the pastors live better and have nicer cars and homes because their wages are a tax free.

many, many churches in this country should have an LLC or INC at the end of their name.
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Trump says he will work hard to get repealed the law where churches now can't talk politics from the pulpit without losing there tax status. That alone will change a lot of things if he can do it.
 Quoting: Mr.Liberty1776


So your thread title is a lie.
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Not at all. I think it would definitely give other parties more exposure to some extent.
Today we need a nation of minute men; men who are not only prepared to take up arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as a basic purpose of their daily life..

John F. Kennedy, 1961

The ideal ruler will recruit men superior to himself as teachers;the worst will employ only slaves.
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last time I bother looking, about 8 years ago, there were only a few dozen NON 501(c)3 Christian Churches in America.


why is it so important for a church to be non-profit and tax exempt?

it's so the church gets more $$$, period, end of story.

the people can give more because they can write it off and the pastors live better and have nicer cars and homes because their wages are a tax free.

many, many churches in this country should have an LLC or INC at the end of their name.
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Most churches wouldn't exist if they had to pay property taxes alone. Add in the expenses and regulations associated with running a small for profit business and you can say goodbye to Christianity.
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Not sure if Trump will actually be able to repeal this law.
He will - most definitely - DOWNSIZE THE IRS !!

Irs employee criminals will have to hold a bakesale LOL
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One's morality is revealed by one's politics. A church goer should be interested in the political beliefs of their pastor or priest as those beliefs reveal who they are.





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