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FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH: MY EDITORIAL ON WANTA, PAULSON, AND THE TRUTH

 
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The fact that people on this site (which i truly enjoy, and see many many great posts and a lot of on-target analysis) continue to believe that Paulson was arrested and that there are untold trillions in the Wanta fund TRULY DISAPPOINTS ME.

Seriously! Just sticking to the facts alone, this story is idiotic. Paulson could run over a baby in Munich, and still not be arrested. That is known as diplomatic immunity. Look it up. Someone here posted that maybe Paulson is under "house arrest" here in the U.S....are you kidding??? I mean, seriously. Use a BIT of common sense.

As for Wanta, your first clue is that all the news comes from one site which has a shockingly bad track record for accurracy. As in never correct. There never was a court case in which this guy Wanta was given authority over trillions. IT NEVER HAPPENED! I am not saying that if a news story doesn't appear in the mainstream media, it never happened. MUCH bigtime news has first appeared in the blogosphere. However, it should set off alarm bells when the ONLY person "reporting" the news even is someone who is habitually wrong. If you look at the Edwards blog, it is simply a random person who reposted the same story, sourced to the SAME B.S. source! Its the same as if one of us posted it here. No different.

So you may ask, why do I appear annoyed at all this?

Because when people are focussed on diversions and lies, the TRUTH CAN NOT COME TO LIGHT. This story is helping to do just that---keeping our focus away from the truth of what is really going on in this world. Hidden in fantasies and lies, the evil continues to exist and grow.

Lets seek out the truth.
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster...for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

-Friedrich Nietzsche
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That was the most concise, factual, to the point post I have ever seen on this web site. Thank You!
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Horse feathers! Diplomatic immunity is for diplomats and diplomats only. Since you, SD, have failed to grasp that fundamental fact, I have ignored the rest of your post as tainted info at best and as disinfo at worst, which is what it probably is. Good Day, Sir.
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Horse feathers! Diplomatic immunity is for diplomats and diplomats only. Since you, SD, have failed to grasp that fundamental fact, I have ignored the rest of your post as tainted info at best and as disinfo at worst, which is what it probably is. Good Day, Sir.
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This is exactly what I'm talking about...uninformed OPINION which is held out as truth.

I ask again, please use common sense. Do you believe that a low-level embassy employee would be protected, but someone on the President's cabinet would not be?

Read up on diplomatic immunity, 176961.
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster...for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

-Friedrich Nietzsche
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That was the most concise, factual, to the point post I have ever seen on this web site. Thank You!
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I appreciate that, Sammydogs.
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Diplomatic immunity is subject to agreement by the host country. When diplomats get expelled, the host country immunity is withdrawn and they realize that they had better "get the hell out of Dodge." The USA cannot demand diplomatic immunity for anyone, and they can only request it for a diplomat who is going to be residing in the host country.
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Diplomatic immunity is subject to agreement by the host country. When diplomats get expelled, the host country immunity is withdrawn and they realize that they had better "get the hell out of Dodge." The USA cannot demand diplomatic immunity for anyone, and they can only request it for a diplomat who is going to be residing in the host country.
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Please read:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Horse feathers! Diplomatic immunity is for diplomats and diplomats only. Since you, SD, have failed to grasp that fundamental fact, I have ignored the rest of your post as tainted info at best and as disinfo at worst, which is what it probably is. Good Day, Sir.


This is exactly what I'm talking about...uninformed OPINION which is held out as truth.

I ask again, please use common sense. Do you believe that a low-level embassy employee would be protected, but someone on the President's cabinet would not be?

Read up on diplomatic immunity, 176961.
 Quoting: San Diegan

Perhaps it is you who should read, SD.
[link to www.ediplomat.com]
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Perhaps it is you who should read, SD.
[link to www.ediplomat.com]
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OK, but WHAT IS YOUR POINT? Is it that you don't believe that Paulson has diplomatic immunity? Is it that you believe the U.S. has to ASK Germany for diplomatic immunity? Every day? For each American officer?

What are you trying to say IN RELATION TO THE FACTS OF THIS SCENARIO????
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster...for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

-Friedrich Nietzsche
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So where was Wanta all those years if not in prison. If you do concede he was in prison, what was the reason he was being held all that time?
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All I know is that there does not appear to be any market moving story even though the Wanta story would qualify if true.
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Diplomatic immunity always has to be applied for, although with embassy staff it is usually a rubber-stamp process. Gotta give those bums at the Department of State something to do besides getting drunk and chasing the local talent.
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its worth about 17 cents.
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<Is it that you don't believe that Paulson has diplomatic immunity?>

Is Mr Paulson a diplomat? Is that your opinion? Does he work for the DOS? Is he stationed at the American Embassy in Germany? Has the SOS formally presented him as an agent of the American Embassy in Germany?
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So where was Wanta all those years if not in prison. If you do concede he was in prison, what was the reason he was being held all that time?
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No, I do not concede that this guy was in prison! You are assuming facts which are not in evidence, other than the "Arctic Beacon"
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster...for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

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<Is it that you don't believe that Paulson has diplomatic immunity?>

Is Mr Paulson a diplomat? Is that your opinion? Does he work for the DOS? Is he stationed at the American Embassy in Germany? Has the SOS formally presented him as an agent of the American Embassy in Germany?
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Do you believe that the President of the United States has diplomatic immunity? Or could he simply be arrested and thrown in jail anywhere he goes? Paulson is a member of the President's cabinet, and has the same status.

Theses individuals are the BOSSES of the diplomats! Are you really missing this point?
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster...for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

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Wait until a comet bounces off your noggin. The whole beauty of this site is you never know, something could come true. People whining about stories, well, what are you doing on the site, then? Go hang out at a law review place!
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Wait until a comet bounces off your noggin. The whole beauty of this site is you never know, something could come true. People whining about stories, well, what are you doing on the site, then? Go hang out at a law review place!
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I already said that there is MUCH good on this site. You miss the entire point of my editorial...that we are much more effective in bringing about change if we separate the blatantly idiotic from the truth. Get it?
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<Is it that you don't believe that Paulson has diplomatic immunity?>

Is Mr Paulson a diplomat? Is that your opinion? Does he work for the DOS? Is he stationed at the American Embassy in Germany? Has the SOS formally presented him as an agent of the American Embassy in Germany?


Do you believe that the President of the United States has diplomatic immunity? Or could he simply be arrested and thrown in jail anywhere he goes? Paulson is a member of the President's cabinet, and has the same status.

Theses individuals are the BOSSES of the diplomats! Are you really missing this point?
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The President, in theory works for me(bear with me, ok). Does that mean I have diplomatic immunity? Maybe you are saying we all have immunity?
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The President, in theory works for me(bear with me, ok). Does that mean I have diplomatic immunity? Maybe you are saying we all have immunity?
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Wow. Is that your idea of logic? Brilliant.
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The President, in theory works for me(bear with me, ok). Does that mean I have diplomatic immunity? Maybe you are saying we all have immunity?


Wow. Is that your idea of logic? Brilliant.
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Is that the best you can do? Attack me? You are wasting my time. Good bye.
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Is that the best you can do? Attack me? You are wasting my time. Good bye.
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Goodbye. And hey, while you are at it, go fire the President, as he (in theory) works for you.
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster...for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

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There was at least one instance of a government official from another country visiting a foreign country who didn't get off the plane for fear of being arrested. I believe it was an Israeli general in the UK. Anyone else remember this? I am sorry I cannot be more specific. Was there also another instance?
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Yes there was...Rumsfeld was going to Germany, and was worried that he might get arrested. Papers WERE drawn up, but the chancelor would not approve them. Maybe this time she did...
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The fact that people on this site (which i truly enjoy, and see many many great posts and a lot of on-target analysis) continue to believe that Paulson was arrested and that there are untold trillions in the Wanta fund TRULY DISAPPOINTS ME.

Seriously! Just sticking to the facts alone, this story is idiotic. Paulson could run over a baby in Munich, and still not be arrested. That is known as diplomatic immunity. Look it up. Someone here posted that maybe Paulson is under "house arrest" here in the U.S....are you kidding??? I mean, seriously. Use a BIT of common sense.

As for Wanta, your first clue is that all the news comes from one site which has a shockingly bad track record for accurracy. As in never correct. There never was a court case in which this guy Wanta was given authority over trillions. IT NEVER HAPPENED! I am not saying that if a news story doesn't appear in the mainstream media, it never happened. MUCH bigtime news has first appeared in the blogosphere. However, it should set off alarm bells when the ONLY person "reporting" the news even is someone who is habitually wrong. If you look at the Edwards blog, it is simply a random person who reposted the same story, sourced to the SAME B.S. source! Its the same as if one of us posted it here. No different.

So you may ask, why do I appear annoyed at all this?

Because when people are focussed on diversions and lies, the TRUTH CAN NOT COME TO LIGHT. This story is helping to do just that---keeping our focus away from the truth of what is really going on in this world. Hidden in fantasies and lies, the evil continues to exist and grow.

Lets seek out the truth.
 Quoting: San Diegan


absolutely correct. wanta was never the owner of such funds. as for the rumors of paulson being arrested in germany... ha ha ha.
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No, I do not concede that this guy was in prison! You are assuming facts which are not in evidence, other than the "Arctic Beacon"
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Well here is an excellent place to start with verification. Was Wanta in prison for years and years, first in Switzerland, and then in Wisconsin, or was he not? Should be fairly easy to confirm one way or the other.
Another thing, is Wanta himself making up the story? Or are others making it up, and if so, surely he could speak out and or publish a statement that they are totally wrong about this whole story.
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SD, this information has been trickling out from several sources. Personally, I consider Wayne Madsen, a bona fide Federal Whistleblower and former NSA Analyst as being quite a good source. Madsen has mentioned the Wanta funds as well as other criminal "cabal" activities that are coming to light and naming names.

You might be a lawyer, but frankly, you've apparently chosen the evidence that suits your preconceived reality. You've seen enough info here with corrolations to CAFR funds and all the rest.

At best, I would expect you to do as most of us are doing, simply sit back and watch the show. And a show is certainly going on. But your staunch objection to this story is most curious. To be honest, it sounds as though the thought of things being as corrupt as they really are frightens you.....and that's good...it's a start.

Bottom line: You haven't seen anything yet.
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Wayne Madsen is the same fool who claimed that the USS Cole
was hit by an Israeli sub, instead of the explosive laden
small boat that the guards weren't allowed to shoot at because
of fucked up rules of engagement.

Some source there.
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Wayne is real.
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SD, this information has been trickling out from several sources. Personally, I consider Wayne Madsen, a bona fide Federal Whistleblower and former NSA Analyst as being quite a good source. Madsen has mentioned the Wanta funds as well as other criminal "cabal" activities that are coming to light and naming names.

You might be a lawyer, but frankly, you've apparently chosen the evidence that suits your preconceived reality. You've seen enough info here with corrolations to CAFR funds and all the rest.

At best, I would expect you to do as most of us are doing, simply sit back and watch the show. And a show is certainly going on. But your staunch objection to this story is most curious. To be honest, it sounds as though the thought of things being as corrupt as they really are frightens you.....and that's good...it's a start.

Bottom line: You haven't seen anything yet.
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With all due respect to you, Wayne Madsen was the same guy who said that Pat Fitzgerald had indicted Cheney and Bush, and that the Bush Administration was going to jail. This story among MANY OTHERS that Madsen seemingly invented.

You say I choose evidence that conforms to my reality. In doing so, you make my point--- there is no EVIDENCE to the contrary! To quote "sources" which are habitually and constantly wrong, and set this information forth as proof of your point, is absurd.

Listen, I have no problem with people wanting to believe what they want to believe. I used to believe in Santa Claus. It made me happy. That's fine. But just don't confuse belief with the truth.

This "show" you speak of is only going on in the minds (and websites) of fraudulent individuals.
"Beware that, when fighting monsters, you yourself do not become a monster...for when you gaze long into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

-Friedrich Nietzsche
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SD, this information has been trickling out from several sources. Personally, I consider Wayne Madsen, a bona fide Federal Whistleblower and former NSA Analyst as being quite a good source. Madsen has mentioned the Wanta funds as well as other criminal "cabal" activities that are coming to light and naming names.

You might be a lawyer, but frankly, you've apparently chosen the evidence that suits your preconceived reality. You've seen enough info here with corrolations to CAFR funds and all the rest.

At best, I would expect you to do as most of us are doing, simply sit back and watch the show. And a show is certainly going on. But your staunch objection to this story is most curious. To be honest, it sounds as though the thought of things being as corrupt as they really are frightens you.....and that's good...it's a start.

Bottom line: You haven't seen anything yet.


With all due respect to you, Wayne Madsen was the same guy who said that Pat Fitzgerald had indicted Cheney and Bush, and that the Bush Administration was going to jail. This story among MANY OTHERS that Madsen seemingly invented.

You say I choose evidence that conforms to my reality. In doing so, you make my point--- there is no EVIDENCE to the contrary! To quote "sources" which are habitually and constantly wrong, and set this information forth as proof of your point, is absurd.

Listen, I have no problem with people wanting to believe what they want to believe. I used to believe in Santa Claus. It made me happy. That's fine. But just don't confuse belief with the truth.

This "show" you speak of is only going on in the minds (and websites) of fraudulent individuals.
 Quoting: San Diegan

Very good posts San Diegan, there are so many con men that the woo woos listen to. Keep up the good work!
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Very good posts San Diegan, there are so many con men that the woo woos listen to. Keep up the good work!
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Thanks, Mathetes. I am a little suprised at the anger in some of the responses I've gotten. Interesting.
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-Friedrich Nietzsche