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Washington had better own up to its failed coup attempt in Turkey and extradite Gulen - their strategy failed.

 
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Washington had better own up to its failed coup attempt in Turkey and extradite Gulen - their strategy failed.
Who is responsible for the failed Coup attempt in Turkey? In the initial stages, I felt Erdogan had arranged the whole mess to call out those Gulenists, who allegedly were working with the West against Erdogan.

The carnage and suffering that ensued in Turkey was a bloody mess, and no doubt the instigators will pay in hell. Will that be the United States backed Gulenists, or will it be Erdogan and his team?

The assumption of this superb piece from the AXIS OF LOGIC and James Petraeus will leave your head spinning. It has opened a door in my mind that has previously been closed. I fear that the United States cooperated with the Gulenists in Turkey to overtake Erdogan. Their strategy failed, and now it is time to pay up or lose terribly.

Gulen is being protected in a compound in the United States, and Erdogan is calling for his extradition. What a decision the US has to make: to turn Gulen over to Erdogan - a betrayal in itself, or to lose Turkey as an ally. Either way, it is not going to be pretty.

[link to axisoflogic.com]
US Miscalculations in the Coup
The Gulenists depended on US support, which totally miscalculated the relations of power and misread Erdogan’s capacity to preempt the coup.

The major flaw among the US advisers was their ignorance of the Turkish political equation: they underestimated Erdogan’s overwhelming party, electoral and mass support. The CIA overestimated the Gulenists support in their institutional elite structures and underestimated their political isolation in Turkish society.

Moreover, the US military had no sense of the specifications of Turkish political culture – the general popular opposition to a military-bureaucratic takeover. They failed to recognize that the anti-coup forces included political parties and social movements critical of Erdogan.

The US strategists based the coup on their misreading of the military coups in Egypt, Libya, Iraq and Yemen which ousted nationalist and Islamic civilian regimes.

Erdogan was not vulnerable in the same way as President Mohamed Morsi (June 30, 2012 – July 3, 2013) was in Egypt – he controlled intelligence, military and mass supporters.

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In a dispute between NATO allies, Turkey demands that the United States extradite Fethullah Gulen, a Pennsylvania-based Turkish cleric, to face charges of engineering a coup attempt. But despite increasing indications that his followers were behind the failed military uprising, analysts say concerns about whether Gulen could get a fair trial complicate Turkey's bid.

Those concerns were amplified by a broad purge of state institutions and some private ones after the July 15 uprising, in which at least 270 people died. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan described the crackdown as necessary to oust Gulen sympathizers who he said had infiltrated the government. Human rights groups and some Western nations urged restraint, fearing the purge was sweeping up anyone critical of the government.
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Re: Washington had better own up to its failed coup attempt in Turkey and extradite Gulen - their strategy failed.
Why would we? We were almost definitely behind it and if we extradite Gulen then he will sing like a canary after we betray him destroying any trust or relationships between the administrations. If we don't extradite him then there is doubt and we can keep on saying the stupid line of "I categorically deny those allegations!" Doubt is easier to work with then some guy whos about to be executed getting back at the country that just betrayed him.
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Re: Washington had better own up to its failed coup attempt in Turkey and extradite Gulen - their strategy failed.
Why would we? We were almost definitely behind it and if we extradite Gulen then he will sing like a canary after we betray him destroying any trust or relationships between the administrations. If we don't extradite him then there is doubt and we can keep on saying the stupid line of "I categorically deny those allegations!" Doubt is easier to work with then some guy whos about to be executed getting back at the country that just betrayed him.
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I am not saying I am wrong here, but you have put me on the fence in my opinion.

Fact: Both ways, we are going to take a hit.

Opinion: Our biggest hit will be if we fail to extradite Gulen. His word means nothing in Turkey.
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