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BREAKING: Judge says Glenn Beck must identify his sources on Boston Marathon Bombing - First Amendment showdown has begun.

 
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If it's up to Beck to defend the 1st amendment, we're gonna have to resort to the next amendment.
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First amendment rights on this site are non existent and have been for awhile.. Anything anti-Trump is promptly deleted
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Glenn becks a turncoat you can bet your bottom dollar glen will do whats best for glen bottom line
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding this...so it's an anti-defamation case; shouldn't they strictly be litigating whether what he said caused material damage of some kind to the plaintiff? I didn't know that anti-defamation lawsuits delved into the veracity of the claims (which wanting the names of the sources seems to be heading this toward).
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I totally agree. Someone has it out for Beck.
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Maybe he shouldn't have turned his show into a NEVERTRUMP headquarters for the past year.

He's really pounding Trump on his show in the most dishonest and brutal fashion, really pushing for Hillary every day.

I wish nothing but pain and heartbreak for Glenn Beck at this point, and I used to like him too.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding this...so it's an anti-defamation case; shouldn't they strictly be litigating whether what he said caused material damage of some kind to the plaintiff? I didn't know that anti-defamation lawsuits delved into the veracity of the claims (which wanting the names of the sources seems to be heading this toward).
 Quoting: Rennfield's Cat

I totally agree. Someone has it out for Beck.
 Quoting: Purple Rose


Maybe he shouldn't have turned his show into a NEVERTRUMP headquarters for the past year.

He's really pounding Trump on his show in the most dishonest and brutal fashion, really pushing for Hillary every day.

I wish nothing but pain and heartbreak for Glenn Beck at this point, and I used to like him too.
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Oh, so he is for Hillary...something does not add up here. If he is for Hillary he should love the Saudis.
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Beck just sits there crying in the corner now with his pocket constitution and his Ready For Hillary banner. He hates Trump more than anything, including Hillary, because he vanquished his pal Ted Cruz with ease.
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I'm a little confused here, what is this whole thing about? Who was this Saudi Arabian guy and what does this have to do with the first amendment
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I saw beck on Kelly File the other day and his face almost made me vomit.
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Beck is on really shaky ground here, and he could lose everything.

If he gives his sources up, he is basically a reporter no one will trust.

If he doesn't give his sources up, he is in violation of the court.

Man, I feel for him.
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Wait.....you feel for Vic's VapiRub Beck?

Wait.....you mean someone respects him as a reporter....NOW?

The guy is a sham, and a shame

Oh yeah, and a Cruz butt buddy handing out soccer balls and teddy beats to INVADERS with Cruz as they broke our laws and our borders

FUCK HIM. :thumbdown:
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Maybe he'll call for another round of prayers and fasting. LOL
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A Judge who has been hearing the case of Glenn Beck's defamation lawsuit filed by a Saudi Arabian, who was injured in the bombing, has ruled that Beck must reveal his sources in the Boston Marathon Bombing case.

This is a huge blow to the First Amendment and Alternative Media reporters. I know Beck must be horrified with this ruling.

The young Saudi who filed the lawsuit against Beck and his companies for defamation was injured in the bombing. Beck claims he had two different Homeland Security sources who claimed the same young man was on a terrorist watch list.

Beck's sources also claimed this young man was the "money man" behind the attack.

This puts Beck in a position of terrible consequence in either decision he makes...especially as a reporter. In my opinion, his First Amendment Rights are being blatantly stripped from him.

[link to www.politico.com]
U.S. District Court Judge Patti Saris ruled that Beck must disclose the names of two Department of Homeland Security employees who allegedly gave a Beck producer information backing up the radio and TV host's claim that Alharbi was the "money man" behind the attack.

The judge said deposition testimony from Beck and two of his top deputies at the time — Joel Cheatwood and Joe Weasel — was "vague and often contradictory" about what the sources said and when they said it. She also noted that the key sources spoke directly only with Weasel, who claimed to record the information on Post-It notes "which he then discarded."

Saris said she ordered the production of records from several government agencies, but they were not of help in confirming what the Beck aides were allegedly told. "None of the documents supports the idea that Alharbi was the 'the money man' financing the Boston Marathon attacks," the Boston-based judge wrote in her 61-page ruling.

The judge acknowledged that forcing disclosure of the sources' identities raised "First Amendment concerns," but she suggested those could be limited by restricting distribution of the information.
 Quoting: Purple Rose


This ruling is similar to a law in Australia where Journalists are required to provided sources if asked by the courts.

While this can be used for GOOD or BAD; ultimately is holds journalists MORE accountable for printing and publishing words that defame a character.

Just because something happened and it's true; doesn't mean to media wont edit, chop and cut it to seem far more horrific than it is.

(I know, I'm a journalist.)
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Thanks, but do you see this as a violation of First Amendment Rights? So much on the Internet is pure speculation and gossip, so there could be more lawsuits to come...they could spread like wildfire.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing in your opinion? It will limit what is written on the Internet by alternative media.
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Absolutely it's a violation.

But in this day and age we need to re-write what can be done, TV, newspapers, magazines, billboards, phone adds, youtube adds, computers, etc.

Are all methods of journalism.

Lots of the internet is pure speculation, agreed.
Speculation is different to 'journalism.'

Such and such is a PEDOPHILE.
Such and such COULD be a pedophile.

Two very different ways to put things across.

Admitting is speculation is different than masking speculation as journalism/news/information.


I'm indifferent to it;
There is no good or bad, that's a human emotions and reaction to situation.

What we do with it as human beings, will ultimately decide how this process will effect us (IE effect us positively or negatively.)

It won't limit what is written, it will limit what is written as truth rather than speculation and guess work.
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Great response. Thanks.
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding this...so it's an anti-defamation case; shouldn't they strictly be litigating whether what he said caused material damage of some kind to the plaintiff? I didn't know that anti-defamation lawsuits delved into the veracity of the claims (which wanting the names of the sources seems to be heading this toward).
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The Saudis run our government. They want to know Beck's "sources."
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Yeah...and the media - and the banks - and academia - and the legal system...

C'mon Shlomo...give it up.
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Beck is on really shaky ground here, and he could lose everything.

If he gives his sources up, he is basically a reporter no one will trust.

If he doesn't give his sources up, he is in violation of the court.

Man, I feel for him.
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Or he could be a damned liar who made up shit for ratings believing he could hide behind the first amendment if someone called him out.
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This is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Beck is so full of it his eyes are brown.

If the Saudi was actually involved, do you really think he
would be pursuing the case?

Nope.
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A Judge who has been hearing the case of Glenn Beck's defamation lawsuit filed by a Saudi Arabian, who was injured in the bombing, has ruled that Beck must reveal his sources in the Boston Marathon Bombing case.

This is a huge blow to the First Amendment and Alternative Media reporters. I know Beck must be horrified with this ruling.

The young Saudi who filed the lawsuit against Beck and his companies for defamation was injured in the bombing. Beck claims he had two different Homeland Security sources who claimed the same young man was on a terrorist watch list.

Beck's sources also claimed this young man was the "money man" behind the attack.

This puts Beck in a position of terrible consequence in either decision he makes...especially as a reporter. In my opinion, his First Amendment Rights are being blatantly stripped from him.

[link to www.politico.com]
U.S. District Court Judge Patti Saris ruled that Beck must disclose the names of two Department of Homeland Security employees who allegedly gave a Beck producer information backing up the radio and TV host's claim that Alharbi was the "money man" behind the attack.

The judge said deposition testimony from Beck and two of his top deputies at the time — Joel Cheatwood and Joe Weasel — was "vague and often contradictory" about what the sources said and when they said it. She also noted that the key sources spoke directly only with Weasel, who claimed to record the information on Post-It notes "which he then discarded."

Saris said she ordered the production of records from several government agencies, but they were not of help in confirming what the Beck aides were allegedly told. "None of the documents supports the idea that Alharbi was the 'the money man' financing the Boston Marathon attacks," the Boston-based judge wrote in her 61-page ruling.

The judge acknowledged that forcing disclosure of the sources' identities raised "First Amendment concerns," but she suggested those could be limited by restricting distribution of the information.
 Quoting: Purple Rose


This ruling is similar to a law in Australia where Journalists are required to provided sources if asked by the courts.

While this can be used for GOOD or BAD; ultimately is holds journalists MORE accountable for printing and publishing words that defame a character.

Just because something happened and it's true; doesn't mean to media wont edit, chop and cut it to seem far more horrific than it is.

(I know, I'm a journalist.)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72758752

Thanks, but do you see this as a violation of First Amendment Rights? So much on the Internet is pure speculation and gossip, so there could be more lawsuits to come...they could spread like wildfire.

Is this a good thing or a bad thing in your opinion? It will limit what is written on the Internet by alternative media.
 Quoting: Purple Rose


Absolutely it's a violation.

But in this day and age we need to re-write what can be done, TV, newspapers, magazines, billboards, phone adds, youtube adds, computers, etc.

Are all methods of journalism.

Lots of the internet is pure speculation, agreed.
Speculation is different to 'journalism.'

Such and such is a PEDOPHILE.
Such and such COULD be a pedophile.

Two very different ways to put things across.

Admitting is speculation is different than masking speculation as journalism/news/information.


I'm indifferent to it;
There is no good or bad, that's a human emotions and reaction to situation.

What we do with it as human beings, will ultimately decide how this process will effect us (IE effect us positively or negatively.)

It won't limit what is written, it will limit what is written as truth rather than speculation and guess work.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72758752


>CONT

In Australia we had a bad habit of letting journalists publish anything (because our media outlets are monopolized) and because they never had to provide sources in the end, they where not truly accountable for their own actions.

For every action there is a reaction.

JOURNALISM IS VERY POWERFUL, very, very, underrated and underestimated but super powerful.

I can't remember who said it;
A country is only as smart as it's journalists.

And by favorite by G.Orwell:

JOURNALISM IS PRINTING SOMETHING THAT SOMEBODY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO PRINT
EVERYTHING ELSE - IS PUBLIC RELATION.
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Glenn becks a turncoat you can bet your bottom dollar glen will do whats best for glen bottom line
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Yes, but the fact that he's a TRUE BELIEVER (in what I'm not sure) makes "what's best for glenn an open question.
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Wow, look a this. I remember now that Michelle Obama visited him in the hospital.

[link to www.theglobaldispatch.com]

Abdul Rahman Ali Al-Harbi, bombing ‘person of interest’ has 6 Saudi ‘terrorists’ in family,5 more are in Gitmo
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I think he visited the White House on several occasions.
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Beck is not a journalist by the way. He's a political shill, actively working against the Republican nominee, making him a shill for Hillary Clinton.

Beck as a political activist believes that by getting Hillary elected, Cruz will have a shot in 2020
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I dunno Beck could maybe double down and really start talking about crisis actors and such.


There would probably be people out there that would be happy to supply him with all sorts of info around the Boston bombing that plenty of people wouldn't want attention drawn to.


Hell he could forget the bombing entirely and just start talking about things in general.


He's probably just playing the role of fall guy deliberately to trash the 1st amendment. We had something way more low profile but similar here where some grub copped a plea over "internet harassment".
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I'm a little confused here, what is this whole thing about? Who was this Saudi Arabian guy and what does this have to do with the first amendment
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The Saudi was a person of interest in the Boston Marathon Bombing. He was injured at the finish line.

He has relatives with al-Qaeda and at Gitmo.

Beck says two Homeland Security officials told him this guy was the "money man" behind the bombings.

Beck printed this, and the Saudi filed a lawsuit against Beck of defamation of his character.

It has been going on for a year.

The Judge just ruled against Beck. She said Beck has to reveal his sources.
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Isn't that Saudi guy also the one who had visited the White House multiple times prior to the Boston event?
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Wow, I can't keep up with you guys.
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If it's up to Beck to defend the 1st amendment, we're gonna have to resort to the next amendment.
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Beck is on really shaky ground here, and he could lose everything.

If he gives his sources up, he is basically a reporter no one will trust.

If he doesn't give his sources up, he is in violation of the court.

Man, I feel for him.
 Quoting: Purple Rose


Or he could be a damned liar who made up shit for ratings believing he could hide behind the first amendment if someone called him out.
 Quoting: Carnac The Magnificent


This is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Beck is so full of it his eyes are brown.

If the Saudi was actually involved, do you really think he
would be pursuing the case?

Nope.
 Quoting: Gelatinous Mass


Exactly

I think the judge is calling his bluff.
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Wow, I can't keep up with you guys.
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I don't like and don't trust Glen Beck
Did anybody bother to investigate
Mr. Alharb?
If I we're to guess, NO!
What will this Accomplish?
The two agents get put on trial
Stops leakers
Reporters will think twice before doing their job (that's assuming real reporters are left)
And all kinds of other
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First amendment rights on this site are non existent and have been for awhile.. Anything anti-Trump is promptly deleted
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Beck is on really shaky ground here, and he could lose everything.

If he gives his sources up, he is basically a reporter no one will trust.

If he doesn't give his sources up, he is in violation of the court.

Man, I feel for him.
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If you are going to accuse someone like that of wrongdoing, you better give up sources. The government has no problem identifying no fly list names. If he accused me of being responsible, and I would challenge him, also.
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Beck is on really shaky ground here, and he could lose everything.

If he gives his sources up, he is basically a reporter no one will trust.

If he doesn't give his sources up, he is in violation of the court.

Man, I feel for him.
 Quoting: Purple Rose


Or he could be a damned liar who made up shit for ratings believing he could hide behind the first amendment if someone called him out.
 Quoting: Carnac The Magnificent


This is EXACTLY what I was thinking.

Beck is so full of it his eyes are brown.

If the Saudi was actually involved, do you really think he
would be pursuing the case?

Nope.
 Quoting: Gelatinous Mass


Exactly

I think the judge is calling his bluff.
 Quoting: DARTH SILIOUS


It does stand to reason that Beck would lie about all of this in an effort to detract from the real perpetrators.

We know that within hours "that" chan was all over this reviewing every bit of video evidence. They showed there were multiple "agents" all dressed EXACTLY like the brother and all with the same back packs. We also know that as soon as the bomb went off the nearby cops tried to calm people initially by claiming it was just an exercise...

Beck claiming some random Saudi was involved was aimed at disino, considering what we know about Beck now after this last year of him acting like a worthless government puppet...
Peace is a lie, there is only passion.
Through passion, I gain strength.
Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The Force shall free me.

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Glenn Beck would have made a great girl
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First amendment rights on this site are non existent and have been for awhile.. Anything anti-Trump is promptly deleted
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Maybe I'm misunderstanding this...so it's an anti-defamation case; shouldn't they strictly be litigating whether what he said caused material damage of some kind to the plaintiff? I didn't know that anti-defamation lawsuits delved into the veracity of the claims (which wanting the names of the sources seems to be heading this toward).
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I totally agree. Someone has it out for Beck.
 Quoting: Purple Rose


Sounds like Obama wants to know who the leaks are in DHS!

whistle blowers get treated the same that Muslims treat gays
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Regardless this sounds like a lose lose for BEck!

he doesn;t have much love around these parts anymore....
 Quoting: abalienari non possu


I think Beck is f'd either way...I'm more interested in the ripple effect this has and what (potentially) could happen to the DHS cats...
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I totally agree. Someone has it out for Beck.
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Sounds like Obama wants to know who the leaks are in DHS!

whistle blowers get treated the same that Muslims treat gays
 Quoting: abalienari non possu


Regardless this sounds like a lose lose for BEck!

he doesn;t have much love around these parts anymore....
 Quoting: abalienari non possu


I think Beck is f'd either way...I'm more interested in the ripple effect this has and what (potentially) could happen to the DHS cats...
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Yes, Beck is definitely fucked. It really does not matter what he does, except to the sources. If it was DHS, these guys have a lot to lose.
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