As a conservative Libertarian, I thought that the best vote for America & keep Hillary out was Trump. But, my vote is probably going to Johnson.

While I don't believe Assange is necessarily a good guy, I don't believe he works for the bad guys. They have trumped up charges on him and confined him to the Equadoran embassy for years. Now that he's leaking stuff, they send a Swedish team to interview him, and desperately want to prosecute him and jail him in Sweden, and the cabal you mentioned had Seth Rich whacked for sending him information.

hillary camp had him whacked
not the elite

lets make sure we're clear on that

and the hits against her keep coming
from a source eschalons over the DNC

I'm not clear on that at all. I believe Hillary is the elite's representative now. You don't. I guess that leaves us at an impasse with you voting for Johnson. Have fun with it.

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The way I look at it is, it depends if you are looking short term or long term.

Short Term: Either Hillary or Trump will be elected. Voting 3rd party will not change that this election. So if you are anti-hillary, voting Libertarian will take away a vote from trump.


Long Term: 3rd party (without a billionaire with name recognition running) needs a groundswell of support and it won't happen in any one election. If the Libertarian party (or green party or whatever) get 10% of the vote this time, it opens up a few doors and in 4 years, would get potentially 15 - 18% of the vote (with the right candidate). Then in another 4 years it might get up to 25%.

The problem in theory is that unless the viable 3rd party is exactly in the center and pulls from both democrats and republicans equally, you will always be giving the election to one of the other guys. Lets say Gary Johnson can get 25% of the votes this election. That 25% is essentially (more or less) coming out of Trumps totals, so Hillary would end up with 50% of the vote to Trumps 25% and Johnson's 25%. Now if Bernie would run in the green party or the Communist party and garner half of the Democratic vote, then there would be a chance for the libertarian party. But also a chance for the communist party.

If you believe in Voting (I know many here don't believe the process works), then real change comes not from voting for president, but for Congress. Vote out every incumbent every year. If they won't put in term limits, we give them term limits based on our vote. If Libertarians can garnish 30% of congress (spread evenly between the house and senate) they would have a much better chance in the presidential.

This X 100. A vote for 3rd party is a vote for Hillary. This is an "all hands on deck" situation to save this country from the Clinton/Soros crime syndicate.

link or stink

and if is real, that is enough of a deal breaker for me to switch my vote

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read this and see outside of the box a bit on the whole thing


Thread: The Modified Limited Hangout and the Tenth Man Strategy. re: Wikileaks ---PART 2---

You didn't answer the question.

Are you prepared to put the hag in the White House and end up with 4-8 more years of Obama's destructive and divisive policies? Are you willing or not to do what has to be done to make sure she doesn't win? Like...voting for the only candidate that can possibly defeat her?

I believe in freedom. I do not give a shit who you take to bed or marry. Marry your damn mailbox, it has no effect on me and my family. Keep your shit in your house and I'll keep my shit in mine

I do not care what you put in or take out of your body (drugs and abortion). if you want to sit around all day naked, doing drugs, playing video games and fapping to porn...go for it...just don't come crying to me when you lose your job, your home and end up broke and on the streets. it's called 'personal responsibility".

We have crappy foreign policy...we have made really shitty trade deals. We have tossed social sanity out the door. You can allow people to be whoever they want to be without broadcasting and openly pushing it.

Immigration must be regulated...only taking in a set number each year from all around the world...not hordes from just one or two areas. Middle eastern refugees must be properly vetted before they come...I am sure it's already too late. The Trojan horse has probably already landed. But we have to stop it before it is too big to contain.

Southern i migration must be part of the set number from all across the globe...no more in than say...Romania or Poland or Thailand. The point being...the number of incoming has to be regulated.

So ask yourself...are you ready for the hag or do you want to see her defeated? I'm sorry it's this black and white...if you do not want to see the hag in office...there is really only one sure fire way to prevent it.

Vote trump

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Because it will be a wasted vote (if you believe your vote actually counts that is). You're correct, Clinton MUST NOT get in, if she does, this country is 100% lost, at least "voting" for Trump, you have half a chance of moving toward the goal of keeping HER out...

he is fighting the oligarchs for us... he has to be a strong willed person. look at what happened to ron paul... he was so soft they ran all over him. look what they did to ross perot. my god people.... he is trying to save us... stop nitpicking on media propaganda.

they are playing hardball and when he hits back you cry like a lil girl? stop... MAN UP!!!!

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Look at Hillary's top 3 choices for Supreme Court, then look at Trump's top 3 choices.

I'm voting for Trump due to these supreme court picks, since that will shape the country for 20+ years. Trump may not act the way people want him to act (which is one reason I like him), but he does surround himself with reasonable and conservative people. Plus, the establishment of both parties hate him, so he must be doing something right.

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Then you guarantee Hillary will be the next president...

Thanks for nothin'...

Open Borders, pro-choice Johnson? Why not just vote for Hillary?

By electing her close friend and donor?

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"The dragon that I'm jousting against this year is this frozen monopoly of the two parties that have frozen a lot of people's thinking in place," says William Weld, former Republican governor of Massachusetts and current Libertarian party vice presidential candidate. "And they think, 'I have to be a right-winger,' or, 'I have to be a left-winger.' They're not thinking, 'What do I think?'"

Weld and his running mate, former Republican governor of New Mexico and Libertarian presidential candidate Gary Johnson, are trying to pry open the vice grip that the Republican and Democratic parties have held on electoral politics for decades. They believe the historic unpopularity of the major party candidates gives them a unique opportunity to present their brand of fiscal conservatism, social tolerance, and a non-interventionist foreign policy to the American public.

The candidates point out that a plurality of the public already broadly reflects their views. If they can make their pitch successfully, they believe they'll garner 40 to 50 percent of the vote, enough to pull off one of the biggest electoral upsets in American history. But what is their pitch to different constituencies, and are these optimistic projections actually within the realm of possibility?

Reason TV's Nick Gillespie sat down with Johnson and Weld at FreedomFest in Las Vegas earlier this month to discuss their platform, prospects, and pitches to disgruntled Republicans and Democrats. The Libertarians have reached new heights in national polling in the weeks since, drawing 13 percent in the latest CNN/ORC survey (at the time this interview was taped, their best result to that point had been 12 percent in a July 8-12 CBS News/New York Times survey).

In a wide-ranging discussion, the nominees clarify how they would handle balancing the budget, scaling back the war on drugs, reforming entitlement programs, selecting Supreme Court justices, addressing immigration and national security policy, and more. Watch the video above for the full interview, or scroll down for downloadable versions.

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nope. she's already gone.
she has been "removed from her station"
of course, they have to keep up appearances
but the only recourse to do that now is to stream complete and blatant strings of lies on CNN MSNBC et al

she's already gone.
she's been "relieved" of her station
and i seriously doubt she's been informed of this.

Bill Weld switched his stance on gun control may 2016. how convenient? LOL... check out this quote from 2005:


"Does the strange combination of thorough economic conservatism and social liberalism make Weld a libertarian? Not unless libertarians also support expansive environmental regulations, gun control, and affirmative action."

Source: W. James Antle III in Spectator Magazine , Aug 25, 2005

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i'm not sure i believe this

the oligarchs are handing him the win

he's fighting sub-levels on the pyramid
the one's handing him the win are damn near the top

I agree that we need to open the field...

Hell I have been saying for quite some time that it is time for the Democrats and the republicans to go the way of the Whigs and the federalists into extinction.

But this is...sadly...not that time.

The Hag (or any democrat replacement candidate) must not be allowed to win...at all costs.

Yes, it is that dire

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on appearance, it looks like Trump's mopping the floor with her

strategic comments for tit for tat responses is not my idea of any semblance of productivity

Frankly, your pathetic logic disgusts me. And to pander here with click-bait titles like that show someone who is desperate for attention. And a large part of me says, why should I bother? Another idiot is going to come along tomorrow and I've explained at least half a dozen times why Gary Johnson is a fake candidate. Another idiot will post tomorrow saying the same stupid thing.

But, for the sake of education of the ignorant, and those too lazy to vet their own candidates, and have to post click-bait here to get answers, which I would just like to say again how fucking pathetic that is!, here is why you are an idiot for thinking of this.

Just take a look at Bill Weld. This creep showed up in Massachusetts 20 years ago and we were all, 'wtf is this guy? we've never heard of him before. A republican running for governor of THIS state? But he had a ton of money behind him, from SOMEWHERE, and no apparent record for anyone to argue against, so he won. Because a lot of us didn't know then what we know now.

Who IS Bill Weld? Well, during the Iran-Contra affair, Bill Weld was the Federal attorney responsible for the investigation into it. And this is exactly why the doings at Mena Airport are unknown to many Americans, and not included in the mainstream Iran-Contra scandal. He deliberately SQUELCHED any investigation into that area. When an asst prosecutor came to him with the proof of cocaine trafficking, he transferred him. All of this is detailed in numerous books about that affair, but of course, idiots like you don't read books. You just watch the idiot box and make click-bait threads.

So the reason you are dealing with the Clintons NOW, is because Bill Weld, protected the Clintons, the Bushes and the CIA back in the 1980s. And for his REWARD, he was basically given the Republican slot in the run for governor.

Think he's not just another globalist? Well, Bill Weld was the co-author of the North American Union document. You know. The one that promotes the union of Canada, USA and Mexico! So, yeah, you're getting all of that lovely stuff too when you vote for Johnson.

And make no mistake, Johnson SPECIFICALLY said he wanted Bill Weld for his running mate. And if you had actually BEEN IN TAMPA for that convention, you would have met an awful lot of pissed off libertarians. Why? Because Gary Johnson showed up with his entourage, who no one had ever seen before, and they all claimed they were libertarians. There were very few libertarians who wanted Johnson, but enough people showed up out of nowhere to make it a close, but victorious show of hands.

So, if you want someone with MORE TIES to the Bush cabal, and who also protected Clinton so we have to deal with his murderous wife today, then by all means vote for that loser. And when your children and grandchildren are asking why they live in a prison, and no one is allowed to say anything mean against the gov't, you can look in the mirror and know exactly what this happened.

Congratulations on your click-baiting, worthless, thread, that only shows you laziness when it comes to vetting candidates, and your blatant cry for fucking attention, you moran. And go ahead and ban me. Being in the same forum as a fool like you embarrasses me.

you and i are singing from the same songsheet

the part you're not hearing though is that Hillary is already being taken out. she's already gone. via wikileaks

so spend a minute with that

what does that mean?

when do we step away from the left/right paradigm
it is the LR paradigm that IS the establishment
we cannot continue to place our allegiance there
it has to start somewhere

if a third podium hits the stage
im changing my vote from Trump to Johnson

unless someone gives me something that changes my mind

i stopped reading after this sentence.

go wipe the foam off your mouth

It's very simple. Forget boutique issues, there are two MAJOR, WE WILL DIE AS A NATION IF WE DON'T GET THIS RIGHT issues: Border control/illegals and WWIII.

If we don't seal that border, we will be overrun with third world animals like Europe. If we legalize all the illegals that are here or continue to come thanks to Obama's stand down order to border patrol, the Marxists will be undefeatable at the ballot box as they will legalize every single one of them and buy their votes via benefits.

If Hillary is POTUS, we will be at war within 2 years. And not war with little sandboxes. War with Russia. She is controlled by those who find war very lucrative and she has already laid the groundwork to try to go after Russia, and any other nation that does not have a centralized bank. We will be nuked. Our economy destroyed. Mad Max time here.

If this nation is so fucked up that they'd put that woman into the Oval Office, we deserve to die as a nation. I know Trump makes people nervous, that he should speak "nicer". But with him, at least there's still a chance for the U.S. A chance that, as rough around the edges he is, he'll be an amazing POTUS. He loves this nation, he'll fight for us, he'll repair the problem with Russia, start taking out the dark apparatus that is strangling us all. With Hillary, there's no hope, because she's part of the gang strangling us.

Oh, and yeah, anyone voting for Johnson is voting for Hillary. If you're going to be a complete douche, be one of the retards that is easily manipulated by the press, etc., at least own it. If Hillary wins, it will be because of the RINO's and "principled" Johnson voters. Look your kids/grandkids in the eye and explain to them why the nation is destroyed and that you contributed by putting your own selfish needs in front of your nation's.

LOL.. they hate his guts.. ive never seen anything like this. both parties are trying to hurt him. let's see... what is he exposing?

he claims vaccines cause autism.
he wants to audit the fed.
he wants tariffs on communist slave labor.
he claims bush lied us into war.
he wants to repeal obamacare.
he wants to free up christian pastors so they can speak out on political matters again.
the IRS has audited him for 11 straight yrs.
he speaks out against massive immigration.


if he were to affect half of these issues... he would hurt them very badly. how can you not see that?

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