Wild Horse Shenanigans - Management Into Extinction - UPDATED

Warning User 65610068: You are about to be banned as a poster on my thread from your constant shilling.

I have never had botox or anything like that in my life. Nor do I live in LA or whatever you suggested the other day.

Is that the best you can do when you see I have personal experience with assholes like you?

OP is batshitters, lol!!!

I don't think she got bored with her original focus of wild mustangs. Often I've seen similar situations where someone comes into a lot of money. There is usually someone who helps them to flesh out their venture. Money as well as time gets spent on other related concerns which spreads out resources unnecessarily. The venture becomes unsustainable, and the original focus gets lost. And sometimes there is a problem with hiring unreliable workers, which reflects upon the owner as if they were the only one working there.

Similar failed ventures I've witnessed at a distance were the Love family and their facility near Toppenish, Washington. The Rajneeshpuram at his facility near Fossil, Oregon. The New Vrindabin Community near Moundsville, West Virginia. Freed Iranian captive Terry Anderson and his foreclosed horse ranch near Guysville, Ohio.

Sometimes I wonder if it's someone in the government that just doesn't want these sorts of ventures to succeed.

What is happening in the Elko, Nevada region is the expansion of a gold mine. In relation to the Mustang Monument, the gold mine property is a close neighbor.

[link to m.elkodaily.com]

The post was deleted that I was responding to - they were accusing me of using Botox - the best they can do when discussing the thread on wild horses when they lack proper discussion etiquette . I am not as you say, you are obviously the original shill or their friend shilling. So obvious. Don't you have a horse to go ride, or a field to mow, oh I forgot you don't ride horses anymore...

Don't you have a neighbor to harass? Move on with your harassment of me, you have your own thread now.




Last Edited by ~Lumminessa~ on 08/19/2016 02:46 PM

As I stated earlier in this thread, I am closely affiliated with a group of rescued from slaughter wild horses that are pastured in Northern Nevada. They have been through so much harassment by the ranchers/slaughter/blm community online and in the real world to the point they have had to hire security to protect them. Lots of details I will avoid, but it seems that many ventures go through a heavy hazing for some reason. I was heavily harassed after I attended the Cold Creek Roundup last year. Many of my friends in the advocacy have been continuously harassed. Yes the BLM does not want these endeavors to succeed. Why is the question. It is just as I have stated through this thread, protecting their deep pocket interests as they spiral downwards to the bottom of the totem pole, becoming irrelevant to the energy/resource miners that are now king with special interests.

Last Edited by ~Lumminessa~ on 08/19/2016 02:42 PM

Well, well, well. NV Dept. of Ag confirms that many horses have died and imply in their statement that the owner(Madeleine Pickens) is ultimately responsible. The article also states that the BLM notified Pickens "a week or two ago" that they discovered fences that had been cut. That means she did not respond to their notification for days at least. THAT constitutes neglect.


A brief statement said the agency “cannot discuss any specifics of an ongoing investigation,” but included a quote from State Veterinarian Dr. JJ Goicoechea.

“Although we have not determined responsibility, care for animals is ultimately the obligation of the livestock owner,” he said. “We alert all livestock owners to be extra cautious during the excessive heat of the summer months. When temperatures exceed 90 degrees, as they consistently have been in northern Nevada, dehydration can set in fast when livestock do not have access to fresh water sources.”

[link to m.elkodaily.com]

It is widely known that no government official in that area of NV can be trusted, everyone is in cahoots and in bed with each other and corruption, including your sheriff friend, most likely, and yourself, since you seem to have so many details of everything before anyone else.

Enjoy that karma. But thanks for all the fish.

Love thy neighbor aye? lmao

BLM and ranchers cannot be trusted to be honest and lack integrity - it is the Wild West after all, isn't it?

I was bold faced lied to by the BLM after a several hour conversation, throughout and during.

I was also on the receiving end of rancher terrorism exactly as what has happened at this sanctuary.

In the end, the horses suffer. What I do and will do, is for them and them only. What the horses have done for me warrants such devotion.

Last Edited by ~Lumminessa~ on 08/19/2016 05:36 PM

ASPCA has been notified and is now on the case. You gonna dispute their facts?!

Any -- even impartial -- observer can see that your own behavior on this thread could associate you to such proclivities and suspicions that I have discussed.

This isn't my first dance around the OK corral on such things. I have danced with your kind many times about such matters involving the horses.

I check on my horses' water on a daily basis. I'm sorry that Madeleine didn't think that was important. Animal neglect and cruelty are criminal offenses.

the fences just cut themselves right...?

Like I said before, even if the fences were cut and the wells were vandalized, a responsible owner of the horses would have discovered that they were out of water during a regular welfare check. It is obvious from the photos that the animals had been deceased for at least 2 weeks before discovery. Madeline herself said that they were only checked upon on a weekly basis. That is not enough. So, regardless of the vandalism, the horses died as a result of negligent practices. She will be held accountable. It sounds like some of her management team(Clay Nannini) and other staff may be charged as well. I am only reporting to you the facts, Ma'am.

Now, why is it that the entire Mustang Monument is now closed(George Knapp says "probably forever") just because of an act of vandalism that killed 11 horses? You don't find that strange? It is because it was ordered to be closed by the state. It was not a decision made by Madeleine.

were they retard horses

[link to elkodaily.com]



State investigating vandalism, dead horses owned by Pickens



A comment on that linked article above from a user called "Madeleine" follows:

Madeleine Aug 19, 2016 6:04pm
Anyone who has visited the Mustang Monument property knows the level of care the horses receive there is extraordinary. It is highly irresponsible of the DEPT of Ag or any state official to be finger pointing or making suggestions about my responsibility for care of the horses until an investigation is completed. But maybe we shouldn't be surprised, given the history of the ranchers approach to the horses. What we know for sure is a vile and horrible criminal act has occurred on private property that has cost the lives of many horses. Let's see if anyone is interested in getting to the bottom of that. Since when has the State of NV accepted the fact that criminals and outlaws can trespass on private property and commit acts that are certainly felonies. We welcome an investigation. Let's make sure we're looking for the right thing.

Comment from another reader on this article: I would investigate the local cattle ranchers.

Last Edited by ~Lumminessa~ on 08/19/2016 09:30 PM

[link to elkodaily.com]

BLM approves Bald Mountain Mine expansion

...."Construction and operation of the project will result in approximately 3,097 acres of authorized disturbance, 3,093 acres of which are on public land administered by the BLM and 4 acres are on private lands. The project is located in the Bald Mountain Mining District in White Pine County, approximately 65 miles northwest of Ely and 40 miles northeast of Eureka.....


...."The BLM has determined that implementation of this decision with the identified monitoring and mitigation measures will not cause unnecessary or undue degradation of the public lands.

The Notice of Availability for the Bald Mountain Mine Project Final Environmental Impact Statement was published in the Federal Register on June 24. The 30-day public availability period ended on July 24. The final EIS and the record of decision are available on the NEPA register at [link to on.doi.gov]

This decision may be appealed to the Interior Board of Land Appeals, U. S. Department of the Interior Office of Hearing and Appeals in accordance with the regulations contained in 43 CFR, Part 4...."




hmmmmm.

Last Edited by ~Lumminessa~ on 08/19/2016 10:07 PM

Did she delete her comment? Thankfully you posted it here, so I forwarded it to law enforcement. Not wise to threaten the State, you think?

Also, Bald Mountain is nowhere near Mustang Monument. bark up another tree.

Bald Mountain Mine lies just to the West and relatively between the Big Bald Mountain, and the Little Bald Mountain. The mine itself lies roughly 50 miles, as the crow flies, from the town of Currie on Route 93. And the Mustang Monument itself lies directly to the East of Route 93, also known as the Great Basin Highway. If you take the highway from the Bald Mountain Mine to the tipis at the Mustang Monument, the distance is only 79 miles. Perhaps you're walking as it would take one full day to hike between both places, to consider them to be nowhere near the other.

Mustang Monument ranch includes Spruce Mountain. And just because a mine is named, Bald Mountain Mine, does not mean it has to be located strictly at Bald Mountain, of which there are several Bald Mountains in Nevada. Perhaps with Climate Change and more rain all that land could become a fertile breadbasket, except the presence of Uranium ores and previous mine tailing areas would not be so good.

Also interesting is the fact that the Franklin Lake Wildlife management area is also relatively nearby, apparently managed by the BLM, I would assume.

Interesting the name of that town, Currie. Did perhaps an ore of Uranium was found nearby, and extracted in the past, perhaps to the North of the town? Then perhaps the Russians are involved, as Hillary is known to have brokered a deal with the Russians of 20% of all Uranium in the USA. The Russians would definitely be interested in the Mustang Ranch venture going under, and the BLM buying the land at a possible land auction, as it is converted into BLM lands, strictly for the purpose of Uranium extraction. Jobs are few, and the lure of many miners to be hired is great. Why would they care about some horses on God forsaken lands? Money talks, right?

Also interesting to note that according to Wikipedia, Bald Mountain Mine in White Pine County, Nevada is one of the largest gold mines in America. It is an open pit mine, owned by Barrick Gold Corporation, which is the largest gold mining corporation in the world. [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
They even have a mine in Saudi Arabia. Interesting. Now the Saudis are likely involved. Muslims love horses, especially their meat, as long as it is processed according to halal standards. Here also might be a path that live American Mustangs could travel between our country and theirs. I wonder if law enforcement are following these various points of interest. Hmmm.

The BLM managing lands to benefit the Russians or the Saudis? Now that is a good conspiracy subject. Hmmm.

money money money money, all about money isn't it....cha ching....ding ding ding

as far as i see it, you are the more nefarious jerk in the circus.....karma is a bitch.

and you are an ignorant idiot, powertripping fool. Forwarded it to law enforcement, such a big important guy, going for the reward....lmao

Oh, and thank me later, you might want to remember that.

Last Edited by ~Lumminessa~ on 08/20/2016 02:51 AM

Law Enforcement isn't doing crap for the horses. We get pictures of them constantly being shipped out live ... no one cares except ms botox over here....apparently.

Palomino Facility, all the wild horses being held there just disappeared. Now there are only small mounds. Makes you wonder where they are all going huh? BLM has already been caught selling them to slaughter, live to Japan for sushi, through their cattlemen buddies, like Gomer here...maybe Gomer has rancher buddies that can show his grandkids a wild horse when there are none to be found on the range, Jethro has one or two in his livingroom, shhhhh.

No one cares. Which is why I dedicated my self to this...time will tell. Expect me.

The article mentions Barrick Gold. That area isn't too far away to assume outside of the box thinking. It is a must to realize what the bigger picture is. It is pretty obvious how many fucks are being given on this site.

Last Edited by ~Lumminessa~ on 08/20/2016 03:01 AM

Bald mountain Mine, one of the largest gold mining operations in America lies just 79 (highway) miles from the tipis at the Mustang Monument, is owned by the Barrick Gold Corporation.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
Mining practices

Barrick Gold has been accused of a number of environmentally unsound practices by environmental groups.[43][44][45] The company has countered accusations by activists, challenging the accuracy of criticisms.[46] It reported environment-related spending of USD $89 million in 2009.[47]

Relations to local populations

In April and May 2008, indigenous leaders from four countries opposing large-scale gold mining on their lands described the adverse impacts of Barrick Gold Corporation. These leaders spoke of Barrick Gold's tactics in "suppressing dissident voices, dividing communities, and manipulating local and national politics".[48] They also related stories about "lack of free, prior and informed consent for local people".[48] Barrick is party to a lawsuit originally filed against Placer Dome Inc. by the local government claiming compensation for the 1996 Marcopper Mining Disaster. Barrick Gold inherited the litigation after taking over Placer Dome, Inc.[49]

In 2008, the company negotiated an agreement with four of five regional Western Shoshone tribes, providing financial resources for education and wellness initiatives, including a long-term scholarship program, allocated at the Tribes’ discretion.[50] A former tribal chairman of the Duck Valley Shoshone spoke of the company as "a pretty progressive entity."[51] In British Columbia the Tahltan Nation has thanked the company for encouraging local sustainable development while operating the Eskay Creek mine from 2001 to 2008.[52][53]

In 2010, Barrick Gold Corporation became the 18th company to join the Voluntary Principles on Security and Human Rights[54] which provides "guidance to extractives companies on maintaining the security of their operations in a manner that respects human rights and fundamental freedoms."[55] Admission follows an eight step process that requires approval by the Voluntary Principles plenary,[56] the main decision-making body, consisting of all active members, drawn from participating governments, companies and non-governmental organizations.[57] Barrick Gold participates in a number of corporate social responsibility programs, such as the United Nations Global Compact.[58] The company is a signatory to the Extractive Industries Transparency Initiative.[59] It also participates in The Global Reporting Initiative, Business for Social Responsibility[60] and The Global Business Coalition on HIV/Aids, Tuberculosis and Malaria.[61] On September 7, 2007, Barrick was added to the Dow Jones Sustainability Index.[62] The company is a member of The International Leadership Council (ILC) of The Nature Conservancy.[63] In Papua New Guinea, the Porgera Joint Venture participated in the development of a wildlife conservation area in the Kaijende Highlands.[64]

In 2011, Human Rights Watch (HRW) published a report that alleged that the private security force at Barrick's Porgera mine in Papua New Guinea had carried out "gang rapes and other violent abuses". Barrick conducted an internal investigation, assisted a police investigation and a number of security personnel were arrested and charged. HRW said the company should have "acted long before Human Rights Watch conducted its research prompted them into action" but had "taken meaningful steps to investigate past abuses and make it less likely for similar abuses to occur in future".[65][66] Barrick Gold revealed in 2013 that, after an independent investigation, the company was paying indemnities to 14 women raped by mine security guards in Tanzania. In addition to cash, the women were also receiving therapy, job training, relocation, and child education expenses. .[67]
(Less than 50%)

Last Edited by The Starbuckian on 08/20/2016 03:12 AM

I think you need to familiarize yourself with what threaten really means...

[link to tuesdayshorse.wordpress.com (secure)]


PICKENS’ WILD HORSES MURDERED WHILE WILD HORSE ENEMY SALAZAR GIVEN SPECIAL APPOINTMENT BY HILLARY


"What the heck is going on? Why do America’s wild horses have such bitter enemies? Is it really about the land? Or perhaps it’s about water rights...."



"As a senator, Salazar was widely considered a reliable friend to the oil, gas, ranching and mining industries. As interior secretary, he opened the Arctic Ocean for oil drilling, and oversaw the botched response to the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico. Since returning to the private sector, he has been an ardent supporter of the TPP, while pushing back against curbs on fracking....."




"In case you wonder why I am so disgusted that Clinton would appoint the evil Salazar it is because of his constant interference and anti-wild horse activities.

If that’s not enough for you, how about this?

It is Salazar’s ranch hand Tom Davis who made money selling hundreds of America’s federally protected Mustangs to slaughter. Many more wild horses are also unaccounted for from the Salazar era. Davis was never arrested or prosecuted though he admittedly committed this crime — a federal crime to boot. I think there is little doubt where the others ended up.

All of this took place under Obama’s nose who never expressed a moment’s concern though he was inundated in the early years of his Presidency by wild horse and burro advocates to help. Even the most devout among them eventually gave up and pursued other means. In the meantime, Obama did not help but instead supported the loathsome, hot headed Salazar."

Maybe it's time to think about the logistics regarding the care and feeding of approximately 800 wild horses on land immediately west of the Great Salt Lake.

Each day, each horse will need more than just water. They each need at least 1/2 square bale of hay or 400 square bales of hay. Or 27 round bales each 500# and each round bale equal to 15 square bales.

One cup of sweet feed per 100 pounds of horse. 600 to 800 pound horse 48 to 64 oz sweet feed per horse. 2,400 to 3,200 pounds of sweet feed or 58 to 64 sacks of 50# each. Each horse needs to eat separately from the other so as to prevent one horse from stealing feed from another. Not all horses eat at the same rate of consumption.

Horses need to be separated according to gender to prevent unauthorized breeding, or the population will skyrocket. Some stallions are better at tending to the needs of his band than others. Stallions need to live in such a way that they aren't tearing down fences to get to the mares. They can live together without being gelded.

Watering systems need to have real time monitoring for their remote locations via solar powered radio and solar powered camera systems. Watering systems need to be checked in person by a responsible employee at least every other day. At least one caretaker needs to be living in a small trailer or similar with the horses, where those horses want them to be.

Shelter for the horses can be expected from trees on the land. However, experience has shown me that horses will eat the bark on most trees, except those which are poisonous to them, such as the box elder. They love to eat pine bark, and will kill any pine tree species on the land, especially if forage is minimal. Corrugated flexible drain pipe can be used to cover the bark where the horses might eat it. Each length cut all the way though lengthwise, and scored half way through on the 1/4. The lengths of bark covering can be secured with crimped lengths of galvanized fencing wire in four places equally spaced on the covering.

Would I put 800 wild horses on 29,000 acres of minimally productive functionally desert land that cannot support them being there without causing widespread erosion? No. What species of animals would I recommend for that land? Sage grouse or a much reduced herd of horses that are not allowed to roam onto land that would be prone to erosion. Flatter areas should be encouraged for paddocks and not hilly areas. I would also allow some cattle to run with the horses, to provide for end of parasite life cycle benefits, but not use cattle as a means to provide for a revenue resource.

How would I generate income to provide for 800 or so wild horses, sequestered into corralled areas that would allow for minimal erosion? I would explore the possibility of mining the hills for gold using automated underground means, and back-fill excavated caverns with spent tailings to prevent subsidence, much like the existing gold mines are doing in the area to generate revenue.

I don't know if I would bring groups of people to visit the wild horses, as a means of income, as there always exists the possibility that someone might return and cause vandalism, because they might feel that wild horses should be free to roam on all lands, even those of the neighbors where they could be unwelcome.

If fences are cut and horses allowed to wander off the property designated for them, it's not likely they would be cared for, as that particular region has such sparse vegetation and good water.

I would need more information from the owners of the property to generate a better overview and recommended plan of action.

I, Symbiont: Why wild horses truly belong on the American ranges

[link to www.horsetalk.co.nz]

"The relationship that evolved over millennium upon millennium between the prairie range-land biome and wild horses is accurately defined as ‘symbiosis’, where the smaller organism is the symbiont.

Of all the large herbivores that currently roam the American range lands, horses are the only large grazing herbivores that have a single stomach. This is very important in that, unlike other large grazing herbivores, wild horses have comparatively poor digestive systems and as a result, most of the grass and plant seeds that they eat pass through their digestive systems and are deposited back onto the range along with composted fertilizer. ...


...As we consider these facts, it becomes obvious that ruminants which graze on the American (and elsewhere) rangelands do not pass viable seeds back onto the lands they have grazed, and therefore leave only feces behind.

Clearly, the relationship between the biome of range-land grasses and wild horses is mutually beneficial and is a true symbiosis that is the result of coevolution over hundreds of millennia. The wild horses are nourished by the grasses, who in turn benefit from the spread of their viable seeds mixed with a nutrient rich compost back onto the range and distributed over relatively large areas. This reseeding of the range-land is accomplished effortlessly by wild horses.

So as we see, cattle (and other ruminants) consume the range-land grasses and the vast majority of the seeds consumed are fully digested, leaving only feces behind as they move through the range; there is no effective re-seeding of the grasses that have been consumed."

There IS, BTW, a very large gold mining project much closer to Mustang Monument, but you seem to have no clue of it or how it relates to the property. This fact illustrates your ignorance of the lay of the land and the issues of the area. I will just sit back and chuckle as you carry on....

Terrible. I was going to leave all my money to the Wild Horse Sanctuary when I died but now I have to change my will.

You are like the spoiled child who shows up on the playground and has a brand new ball, and the other kids don't, so you brag about your awesome ball, and what it can do, but you won't play with the kids.

So what do you think the kids think of you with your shiney brand new ball on the playground?

Do you think they want to play with you?