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The great cover-up; The Vatican ban's God's name

 
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God is a spirit, Jesus is gods spirit in the flesh. So yes he is the son of god, because he was born out of gods spirit
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Stick to topic.
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I was pointing out there is no trinity
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You've finally dropped that idol? Good for you if that is the case. And spirit is spirit, not flesh.

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Yeshua never called God YHWH, he always referred to him as Father. In the texts of the Nag Hamaddi Library, Yeshua refers to God as Mother/Father.

In the Nag Hamaddi texts, according to Yeshua, there was a fallen being called Yaldabaoth who came to earth, claimed to be God and created humankind in order to serve him. This story of Yaldabaoth seems to parallel the story of YHWH.

Perhaps there is something important for us to understand about this. You may choose to dismiss these worlds as blasphemy but since they came from Yeshua, I consider them a revelation.

Maybe this has something to do with the Vatican's decision???
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If he didn't use the Name he wouldn't had been able to quote scripture, so yes, he did use it. And Gnosticism is syncretic nonsense pandering to ignorance. And that other name is a fallacious transliteration of YHWH-Tzva'ot.
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Please direct me to the scripture where Yeshua uses the name YHWH.

In regards to Gnosticism. Yeshua said we need to seek and find. This implies that something is hidden. He also said that when we see him we see the father from the transfiguration we know that God was well pleased in Yeshua. In other words if God is pleased in Yeshua who is telling us to seek and find what is hidden then we understand that God is pleased with us when we listen to what Yeshua said...which again is a to seek for that which is hidden.

Just because you have a personal belief about gnosticism does not mean it is accurate.

The bible as we know it is a book of stories about men and women inspired by God. However, the actual book was edited by me, some of whom had agendas and edited the book according to these agendas. Books that did not fit their earthly agendas were left out. Some of these books were important and the wisdom has remained hidden. That is until were follow the words of Yeshua and seek to find the things that are hidden.
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He used the name when he's quoting scipture and the name is implied. I know what Gnosticism is thank you, and true knowledge is the latest thing Gnostics are looking for, especially modern, self-professed Gnostics that don't even know how to practise their own religion.
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Pleased give me the scripture number, and not just say it was so. Since you are saying that Yeshua ussed the name then you must surely have an example. Thank you.

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If he didn't use the Name he wouldn't had been able to quote scripture, so yes, he did use it. And Gnosticism is syncretic nonsense pandering to ignorance. And that other name is a fallacious transliteration of YHWH-Tzva'ot.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Please direct me to the scripture where Yeshua uses the name YHWH.

In regards to Gnosticism. Yeshua said we need to seek and find. This implies that something is hidden. He also said that when we see him we see the father from the transfiguration we know that God was well pleased in Yeshua. In other words if God is pleased in Yeshua who is telling us to seek and find what is hidden then we understand that God is pleased with us when we listen to what Yeshua said...which again is a to seek for that which is hidden.

Just because you have a personal belief about gnosticism does not mean it is accurate.

The bible as we know it is a book of stories about men and women inspired by God. However, the actual book was edited by me, some of whom had agendas and edited the book according to these agendas. Books that did not fit their earthly agendas were left out. Some of these books were important and the wisdom has remained hidden. That is until were follow the words of Yeshua and seek to find the things that are hidden.
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He used the name when he's quoting scipture and the name is implied. I know what Gnosticism is thank you, and true knowledge is the latest thing Gnostics are looking for, especially modern, self-professed Gnostics that don't even know how to practise their own religion.
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Pleased give me the scripture number, and not just say it was so. Since you are saying that Yeshua ussed the name then you must surely have an example. Thank you.
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You think Jesus quoted the scriptures given to the israelites and was referring to another god? Come on now.
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If he didn't use the Name he wouldn't had been able to quote scripture, so yes, he did use it. And Gnosticism is syncretic nonsense pandering to ignorance. And that other name is a fallacious transliteration of YHWH-Tzva'ot.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Please direct me to the scripture where Yeshua uses the name YHWH.

In regards to Gnosticism. Yeshua said we need to seek and find. This implies that something is hidden. He also said that when we see him we see the father from the transfiguration we know that God was well pleased in Yeshua. In other words if God is pleased in Yeshua who is telling us to seek and find what is hidden then we understand that God is pleased with us when we listen to what Yeshua said...which again is a to seek for that which is hidden.

Just because you have a personal belief about gnosticism does not mean it is accurate.

The bible as we know it is a book of stories about men and women inspired by God. However, the actual book was edited by me, some of whom had agendas and edited the book according to these agendas. Books that did not fit their earthly agendas were left out. Some of these books were important and the wisdom has remained hidden. That is until were follow the words of Yeshua and seek to find the things that are hidden.
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He used the name when he's quoting scipture and the name is implied. I know what Gnosticism is thank you, and true knowledge is the latest thing Gnostics are looking for, especially modern, self-professed Gnostics that don't even know how to practise their own religion.
 Quoting: Monotheism

Pleased give me the scripture number, and not just say it was so. Since you are saying that Yeshua ussed the name then you must surely have an example. Thank you.
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When quoting the Sh'ma in Mark 12:29 and Matthew 22:38 for example. And it's it not written out (that's the point) it's implied within the context of the quotation.
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The OT tells us we were created by YHWH. Here is what Yeshua has to say bout our creator.

John 8:42-45King James Version (KJV)

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Seems to me that there is more to the story than we understand.
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God is a spirit, Jesus is gods spirit in the flesh. So yes he is the son of god, because he was born out of gods spirit
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Stick to topic.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I was pointing out there is no trinity
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You've finally dropped that idol? Good for you if that is the case. And spirit is spirit, not flesh.
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Please direct me to the scripture where Yeshua uses the name YHWH.

In regards to Gnosticism. Yeshua said we need to seek and find. This implies that something is hidden. He also said that when we see him we see the father from the transfiguration we know that God was well pleased in Yeshua. In other words if God is pleased in Yeshua who is telling us to seek and find what is hidden then we understand that God is pleased with us when we listen to what Yeshua said...which again is a to seek for that which is hidden.

Just because you have a personal belief about gnosticism does not mean it is accurate.

The bible as we know it is a book of stories about men and women inspired by God. However, the actual book was edited by me, some of whom had agendas and edited the book according to these agendas. Books that did not fit their earthly agendas were left out. Some of these books were important and the wisdom has remained hidden. That is until were follow the words of Yeshua and seek to find the things that are hidden.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70662268


He used the name when he's quoting scipture and the name is implied. I know what Gnosticism is thank you, and true knowledge is the latest thing Gnostics are looking for, especially modern, self-professed Gnostics that don't even know how to practise their own religion.
 Quoting: Monotheism

Pleased give me the scripture number, and not just say it was so. Since you are saying that Yeshua ussed the name then you must surely have an example. Thank you.
 Quoting: FCR


When quoting the Sh'ma in Mark 12:29 and Matthew 22:38 for example. And it's it not written out (that's the point) it's implied within the context of the quotation.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Not looking for implied, looking for the actual time Yeshua refers to God as YHWH.
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The OT tells us we were created by YHWH. Here is what Yeshua has to say bout our creator.

John 8:42-45King James Version (KJV)

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Seems to me that there is more to the story than we understand.

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The verses that Jesus quoted are from the OT. You can find the name YHWH in those verses.
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The OT tells us we were created by YHWH. Here is what Yeshua has to say bout our creator.

John 8:42-45King James Version (KJV)

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Seems to me that there is more to the story than we understand.
 Quoting: FCR


They were of the devil because they were against God. Or do you think Peter were literally called satan too? And Jesus explicitly identified the Father as YHWH in several passages.

John 4:20-25

20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.”

Like I said, true knowledge is usually the last thing Gnostics are concerned about.
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Yeshua never called God YHWH, he always referred to him as Father. In the texts of the Nag Hamaddi Library, Yeshua refers to God as Mother/Father.

In the Nag Hamaddi texts, according to Yeshua, there was a fallen being called Yaldabaoth who came to earth, claimed to be God and created humankind in order to serve him. This story of Yaldabaoth seems to parallel the story of YHWH.

Perhaps there is something important for us to understand about this. You may choose to dismiss these worlds as blasphemy but since they came from Yeshua, I consider them a revelation.

Maybe this has something to do with the Vatican's decision???
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70662268


If he didn't use the Name he wouldn't had been able to quote scripture, so yes, he did use it. And Gnosticism is syncretic nonsense pandering to ignorance. And that other name is a fallacious transliteration of YHWH-Tzva'ot.
 Quoting: Monotheism


If the gnostics where just idiots as you try to paint them, they would not have been such a threat to the church. That they were syncretic isn't the slam you deem it to be, or, if it is, point the finger at Judaism as well.
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The OT tells us we were created by YHWH. Here is what Yeshua has to say bout our creator.

John 8:42-45King James Version (KJV)

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Seems to me that there is more to the story than we understand.
 Quoting: FCR


They were of the devil because they were against God. Or do you think Peter were literally called satan too? And Jesus explicitly identified the Father as YHWH in several passages.

John 4:20-25

20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.”

Like I said, true knowledge is usually the last thing Gnostics are concerned about.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Yeshua specifically says that our father is the devil and his father is God. Those are 2 different beings.

Please direct me to the passage where Yeshua says that YHWH is his father. Thank you.

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God is a spirit, Jesus is gods spirit in the flesh. So yes he is the son of god, because he was born out of gods spirit
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Stick to topic.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I was pointing out there is no trinity
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Then who is the Comforter He had left for us?
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God is a spirit, Jesus is gods spirit in the flesh. So yes he is the son of god, because he was born out of gods spirit
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Stick to topic.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I was pointing out there is no trinity
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Then who is the Comforter He had left for us?
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Of course there is a Trinity.

The Father, The Mother and the Christ!
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i actually agree with this..speaking the lords name in vain is forbidden
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That's not why it's banned. It's banned to cover up a lie.
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that may be true, but doing this is how it should have been the whole time anyway
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Why? To ensure more deception to spread?
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because scripture commands it..we are not to utter gods name for many reasons mostly because we are vain self centered creatures and never call on god do to actually help us do gods work
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Stick to topic.
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I was pointing out there is no trinity
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Then who is the Comforter He had left for us?
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Of course there is a Trinity.

The Father, The Mother and the Christ!
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You're a ding dong and it appears the Spirit of the Lord does not live within you.
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He used the name when he's quoting scipture and the name is implied. I know what Gnosticism is thank you, and true knowledge is the latest thing Gnostics are looking for, especially modern, self-professed Gnostics that don't even know how to practise their own religion.
 Quoting: Monotheism

Pleased give me the scripture number, and not just say it was so. Since you are saying that Yeshua ussed the name then you must surely have an example. Thank you.
 Quoting: FCR


When quoting the Sh'ma in Mark 12:29 and Matthew 22:38 for example. And it's it not written out (that's the point) it's implied within the context of the quotation.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Not looking for implied, looking for the actual time Yeshua refers to God as YHWH.
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No, you're just looking for a way to circumvent what is clearly communicated. The entire point is that the name has been structurally removed. If you want is written out in the NT you'll find it in Revelation.

The only reason Gnostics appriopriate Jesus anyway is because he in their mind represents an archetype of spirituality.
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I was pointing out there is no trinity
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Then who is the Comforter He had left for us?
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Of course there is a Trinity.

The Father, The Mother and the Christ!
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You're a ding dong and it appears the Spirit of the Lord does not live within you.
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Who are you to judge me? Of course the spirit of God lives within me as it does in all beings.

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That's not why it's banned. It's banned to cover up a lie.
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that may be true, but doing this is how it should have been the whole time anyway
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70517207


Why? To ensure more deception to spread?
 Quoting: Monotheism


because scripture commands it..we are not to utter gods name for many reasons mostly because we are vain self centered creatures and never call on god do to actually help us do gods work
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But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Exodus 9:16

In that day you will say: "Give praise to YHWH, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted. Isaiah 12:4

Give praise to YHWH, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done. Psalm 105:1

My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations," says YHWH-Tzva'ot Malachi 1:11
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Stick to topic.
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I was pointing out there is no trinity
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Then who is the Comforter He had left for us?
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Of course there is a Trinity.

The Father, The Mother and the Christ!
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that may be true, but doing this is how it should have been the whole time anyway
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Why? To ensure more deception to spread?
 Quoting: Monotheism


because scripture commands it..we are not to utter gods name for many reasons mostly because we are vain self centered creatures and never call on god do to actually help us do gods work
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But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Exodus 9:16

In that day you will say: "Give praise to YHWH, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted. Isaiah 12:4

Give praise to YHWH, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done. Psalm 105:1

My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations," says YHWH-Tzva'ot Malachi 1:11
 Quoting: Monotheism


Yes those verses use the name YHWH but they are not words attributed to Yeshua. Do you have any from the new testament where Jesus says that his father is YHWH?
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The OT tells us we were created by YHWH. Here is what Yeshua has to say bout our creator.

John 8:42-45King James Version (KJV)

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Seems to me that there is more to the story than we understand.
 Quoting: FCR


They were of the devil because they were against God. Or do you think Peter were literally called satan too? And Jesus explicitly identified the Father as YHWH in several passages.

John 4:20-25

20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.”

Like I said, true knowledge is usually the last thing Gnostics are concerned about.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Yeshua specifically says that our father is the devil and his father is God. Those are 2 different beings.

Please direct me to the passage where Yeshua says that YHWH is his father. Thank you.
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No, that's specifically what he does not say, he says the exact opposite. He said "if God were your Father", meaning they considered God, YHWH, to be their Father (Deuteronomy 32:6). Then he goes on to declare that that is not the case, because there's a discrepancy between the lipservice they pay, and the deeds they carry out.
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Why? To ensure more deception to spread?
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because scripture commands it..we are not to utter gods name for many reasons mostly because we are vain self centered creatures and never call on god do to actually help us do gods work
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But I have raised you up for this very purpose, that I might show you my power and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth. Exodus 9:16

In that day you will say: "Give praise to YHWH, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done, and proclaim that his name is exalted. Isaiah 12:4

Give praise to YHWH, proclaim his name; make known among the nations what he has done. Psalm 105:1

My name will be great among the nations, from where the sun rises to where it sets. In every place incense and pure offerings will be brought to me, because my name will be great among the nations," says YHWH-Tzva'ot Malachi 1:11
 Quoting: Monotheism


Yes those verses use the name YHWH but they are not words attributed to Yeshua. Do you have any from the new testament where Jesus says that his father is YHWH?
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That post wasn't adressed at you. And I already told you Revelation.
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Re: The great cover-up; The Vatican ban's God's name
The OT tells us we were created by YHWH. Here is what Yeshua has to say bout our creator.

John 8:42-45King James Version (KJV)

42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.

Seems to me that there is more to the story than we understand.
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They were of the devil because they were against God. Or do you think Peter were literally called satan too? And Jesus explicitly identified the Father as YHWH in several passages.

John 4:20-25

20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.”

Like I said, true knowledge is usually the last thing Gnostics are concerned about.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Yeshua specifically says that our father is the devil and his father is God. Those are 2 different beings.

Please direct me to the passage where Yeshua says that YHWH is his father. Thank you.
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No, that's specifically what he does not say, he says the exact opposite. He said "if God were your Father", meaning they considered God, YHWH, to be their Father (Deuteronomy 32:6). Then he goes on to declare that that is not the case, because there's a discrepancy between the lipservice they pay, and the deeds they carry out.
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Yeshua said, if God were your father...meaning that he is not.

Yeshua said that he is sent from God...

Yeshua said that our father is the devil, a murder and a liar.

These are 2 different beings. Nothing implied here, just the actual words themselves.

Have you taken a moment to even consider what he meant?

What if his actual words are the actual truth?
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Yeshua never called God YHWH, he always referred to him as Father. In the texts of the Nag Hamaddi Library, Yeshua refers to God as Mother/Father.

In the Nag Hamaddi texts, according to Yeshua, there was a fallen being called Yaldabaoth who came to earth, claimed to be God and created humankind in order to serve him. This story of Yaldabaoth seems to parallel the story of YHWH.

Perhaps there is something important for us to understand about this. You may choose to dismiss these worlds as blasphemy but since they came from Yeshua, I consider them a revelation.

Maybe this has something to do with the Vatican's decision???
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If he didn't use the Name he wouldn't had been able to quote scripture, so yes, he did use it. And Gnosticism is syncretic nonsense pandering to ignorance. And that other name is a fallacious transliteration of YHWH-Tzva'ot.
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If the gnostics where just idiots as you try to paint them, they would not have been such a threat to the church. That they were syncretic isn't the slam you deem it to be, or, if it is, point the finger at Judaism as well.
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Them being threats, or disturbing the hegemony, doesn't make them not idiots. And they weren't nearly as much of a threat for the church as Jews and Judaizers were. In fact, a lot of Gnostic elements were adopted into the church and Christianity.

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They were of the devil because they were against God. Or do you think Peter were literally called satan too? And Jesus explicitly identified the Father as YHWH in several passages.

John 4:20-25

20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, but you say that in Jerusalem is the place where people ought to worship.” 21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe me, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. 22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.”

Like I said, true knowledge is usually the last thing Gnostics are concerned about.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Yeshua specifically says that our father is the devil and his father is God. Those are 2 different beings.

Please direct me to the passage where Yeshua says that YHWH is his father. Thank you.
 Quoting: FCR


No, that's specifically what he does not say, he says the exact opposite. He said "if God were your Father", meaning they considered God, YHWH, to be their Father (Deuteronomy 32:6). Then he goes on to declare that that is not the case, because there's a discrepancy between the lipservice they pay, and the deeds they carry out.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Yeshua said, if God were your father...meaning that he is not.

Yeshua said that he is sent from God...

Yeshua said that our father is the devil, a murder and a liar.

These are 2 different beings. Nothing implied here, just the actual words themselves.

Have you taken a moment to even consider what he meant?

What if his actual words are the actual truth?
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No he said "if God was your Father [you wouldn't have persecuted me]", meaning they considered God to be their Father. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Utterly clueless.
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Please direct me to the scripture where Yeshua uses the name YHWH.

In regards to Gnosticism. Yeshua said we need to seek and find. This implies that something is hidden. He also said that when we see him we see the father from the transfiguration we know that God was well pleased in Yeshua. In other words if God is pleased in Yeshua who is telling us to seek and find what is hidden then we understand that God is pleased with us when we listen to what Yeshua said...which again is a to seek for that which is hidden.

Just because you have a personal belief about gnosticism does not mean it is accurate.

The bible as we know it is a book of stories about men and women inspired by God. However, the actual book was edited by me, some of whom had agendas and edited the book according to these agendas. Books that did not fit their earthly agendas were left out. Some of these books were important and the wisdom has remained hidden. That is until were follow the words of Yeshua and seek to find the things that are hidden.
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He used the name when he's quoting scipture and the name is implied. I know what Gnosticism is thank you, and true knowledge is the latest thing Gnostics are looking for, especially modern, self-professed Gnostics that don't even know how to practise their own religion.
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Pleased give me the scripture number, and not just say it was so. Since you are saying that Yeshua ussed the name then you must surely have an example. Thank you.
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putin

You think Jesus quoted the scriptures given to the israelites and was referring to another god? Come on now.
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Shh.. don't disturb the Gnostic mind at work. He's probably to busy meditating on the profound secrets of the universe.
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Yeshua specifically says that our father is the devil and his father is God. Those are 2 different beings.

Please direct me to the passage where Yeshua says that YHWH is his father. Thank you.
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No, that's specifically what he does not say, he says the exact opposite. He said "if God were your Father", meaning they considered God, YHWH, to be their Father (Deuteronomy 32:6). Then he goes on to declare that that is not the case, because there's a discrepancy between the lipservice they pay, and the deeds they carry out.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Yeshua said, if God were your father...meaning that he is not.

Yeshua said that he is sent from God...

Yeshua said that our father is the devil, a murder and a liar.

These are 2 different beings. Nothing implied here, just the actual words themselves.

Have you taken a moment to even consider what he meant?

What if his actual words are the actual truth?
 Quoting: FCR


No he said "if God was your Father [you wouldn't have persecuted me]", meaning they considered God to be their Father. You need to work on your reading comprehension. Utterly clueless.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I guess we are going have to agree to disagree on this matter. However I am not going to criticize you as you have just done you me, that's your business not mine.
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He used the name when he's quoting scipture and the name is implied. I know what Gnosticism is thank you, and true knowledge is the latest thing Gnostics are looking for, especially modern, self-professed Gnostics that don't even know how to practise their own religion.
 Quoting: Monotheism

Pleased give me the scripture number, and not just say it was so. Since you are saying that Yeshua ussed the name then you must surely have an example. Thank you.
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putin

You think Jesus quoted the scriptures given to the israelites and was referring to another god? Come on now.
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Shh.. don't disturb the Gnostic mind at work. He's probably to busy meditating on the profound secrets of the universe.
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I know where that comes from, it is from youtube. Some youtubers who don't read the bible are spreading those stuff and their followers don't read the bible as well. After watching the video they think they know everything, it is like a virtual church. I bet our gnostic friend here don't read the bible, that kind of understanding come from videos.





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