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Been cold approaching/doing PUA for 8 yrs... My 2 cents

 
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Been cold approaching/doing PUA for 8 yrs... My 2 cents
Not much into the puahate/sluthate culture but a lot of what you guys write is actually true(especially about Looks/money/status) and that "game" such as confidence/sub-com isn't as important as what most PUA gurus claim it is to be.

About me, i've been cold approaching for 8 yrs now, living in San Francisco/Los Angeles. My parents emigrated to america from Vietnam when i was 4 yrs old(i'm 5'5 vietnamese american, basically i look like any other average looking asian guy). I have about 50,000 approaches under my belt(could be more). I've also taken two bootcamps(1 from lovesystems and 1 from RSD).Basically, 50k approaches, BOTH day game and night game. MOst of my day game were at malls/beaches/college campuses, nightgame were at bars/high end clubs.

50,000 approaches and i started to notice patterns/tendencies of the feedback i received from women.

1. Majority of girls I approached were go-nowhere/BF objection/platonic conversations, and even IF i got her phone number, 95% of the time she will not respond, or she WILL respond but flake/make excuses about not going on a date with me

and yes, this is REGARDLESS if I was in "state"(aka came on confident). The only difference between being out of state and being in state is that the girls are more polite and won't reject you right away. Basically, if the girl doesn't see you as her type, no amount of "game" will get her to like you and flip the attraction switch. She still has to like you in a physical sense(the same reason YOU wouldn't want to date a fat/ugly girl even if she was funny). Majority of the girls i approach have a Boyfriend(Especially the attractive ones), and of the times where she doesn't have a boyfriend, anything more than a non-platonic interaction, she will make a shitload of excuses.

2. The "Rare" results i occasionally get, it was because of sheer volume/effort of approaching and has little to do with my "game". THe last few lays i had, the girls had a VERY strong preference with asian guys. And the girls i usually tend to attract aren't anymore better looking than me (they are about 5s or 6s). Basically, i was at the right place at the right time thanks to the "numbers game" i played.

don't forget, i still had to tolerate the shitload of go nowhere sets (BF objections/Day 2 flakes/platonic interactions) to get a small % of the results(i'll probably get a few lays a year from a sub 5/10 girl). Keep in mind though, majority of the girls i tend to approach are attractive white or mexican girls, i'm sure my hit rate will increase if I approached asian girls.

3. what you basically learn when you take a bootcamp is basically "approach as much as possible" "be confident" "take care of logistics". That's pretty much the gist of what i learned. ANd IF i don't get the desired result, I am the one to blame/held accountable(but not the technique that was presented to me) for not "doing it correctly".
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the reason why this is BS is because from my experience, EVERY "lay" i've ever gotten was because I was at the right place at the right time, it has little to do with my "game", it has more to do with the girl having a strong preference in asian guys or the girl was already "interested" in me, regardless if I had game. (basically, this is what they call screening).

I also tried online game and i got nothing out of it. Just a warpig but i wasn't interested. I even tried tinder(mass swiming right) and i only got a few matches, none of which converted into a date). I've learned that the online dating option is a waste of time for me because I TRIED IT and got nothign to show for. Also, girls get combarded with messages all the time, so even if you mass email hundreds of girls, that girl probably gets hundreds a day, so it really doesn't increase your chances.

about 2 and a half years ago, i started winging with my good looking black friend(dude is a genuine 9/10, buff as fuck, tall, etc). Every girl he has approached was "already" interested in him by giving him signals, and every number he gets, 95% of the time he would convert it on a date(he rarely gets flaked on basically). I've hung out with him for over 8 months and i saw the same pattern. His game is NO better than mine(as a matter of fact, my game is better than his because i'm more confident and I approach more), he's just more efficient because he's good at taking advantage of the girls who are already interested in him and converting it into results.


4. The average looking and hot girls in the united states(and most western society) REALLY do get a lot of suitors believe it or not. That is why they are ultra picky /selective on who they date. basically, the women in the united states(or any western society) are OVERVALUED, there's hoards of guys who are their suitors.


Overall

I've already accepted the status-quo of the dating/cold approach scene here in the united states. I live here, i work here and i've already learned to accept that it's VERY difficult for me to get results. I still cold approach to this day believe it or not, i've learned to accept the difficulties of a minority short guy doing cold approach and persevere anyway. But yes, cold approach pickup is fucking hard and the most inefficient way to get laid(trust me on this). If you guys really want to get laid by a hot girl, go to countries where it's easy to get laid like eastern europe/south america/SE asia, etc. Otherwise, you will have a tough time getting results here. If you aren't good looking(tall/white/etc), you will have a very difficult time getting laid.

there is a trick to the western way of getting laid though. By joining a fraternity or raising your Status/ lots of $$$(girls can provide for themselves). And even if you are in a good social circle, the girls wil still have preferences, you still need to be the top 1-2 dudes in that circle to get results.
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Re: Been cold approaching/doing PUA for 8 yrs... My 2 cents
Yep this dude pretty much sums up my experiences with rejection. I mean i dont have any where near 50,000 approaches but even at my 220 approaches I learned that the dating game was rigged and that with the way I look I'd literally have a better chance with sprouting wings and flying than with getting a female to be attracted to me.

Bottom line is if you are ugly and dont have money or status to make up for it, then you might as well condition yourself for a lifetime of loneliness.

Thanks for sharing your story
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Yep this dude pretty much sums up my experiences with rejection. I mean i dont have any where near 50,000 approaches but even at my 220 approaches I learned that the dating game was rigged and that with the way I look I'd literally have a better chance with sprouting wings and flying than with getting a female to be attracted to me.

Bottom line is if you are ugly and dont have money or status to make up for it, then you might as well condition yourself for a lifetime of loneliness.

Thanks for sharing your story
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well yeah, it is the way it is man. I've learned to accept my fate but i still go out and approach anyway. It sure hells better than staying at home on a fri/sat night doing nothing. I'm not telling you to do the same thing i'm doing, but it doesn't help to bitch/complain about it. that's just how the world is, life isn't fair man.

ALso, prostitutes from backpage help me keep sane. So if in case i'm on a cold streak(which sometimes it took me 2 yrs of not getting laid), i will just hire a prostitute. (btw, it's much more efficient than getting laid off cold approach).

i'm seriously considering taking a trip to eastern europe or south America though.

But I did weigh in the pros/cons. it's gonnna cost me $2000+ for roundtrip flight, another $1000 for hotels/food, all for what? to get laid? I can easily hire a backpage hooker for $160

also , I work in the united states and i make a decent living here. I get it man, it's REALLY hard to get laid here, women are overvalued, there's a horrible ratio at the bars, thgere's a HORRIBLE ratio in online dating, and the average looking girls get bombarded with suitors all the time. I GET IT, it's HARD but this is my home. This is where I grew up, and i've already learned to acknowledge the difficulties of getting laid here. Women are shallow as fuck in the usa, that's a no brainer

About me, i'm 29 yrs old 5 foot 5, 185 lbs(i'm slightly chubby but not too bad since i hit the gym 4x a week). Als, i've been to other cities like vegas, sacramento, san diego, LA, SF, san jose, etc, it's pretty much all the same, just different demographic. women are just as picky anywhere.
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If you guys really want to get laid by a hot girl, go to countries where it's easy to get laid like eastern europe/south america/SE asia, etc. Otherwise, you will have a tough time getting results here. If you aren't good looking(tall/white/etc), you will have a very difficult time getting laid.
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Do not be misled by false premises. No girl from eastern europe / south america / SE asia will lower their mate thresholds of acceptance to get a laid. The criteria/standards governing their impulses / neurological trends are not very different from you're observing in females from West population. Especially (eastern) european women share the same locus / tilt vector towards same clines/racial variants (european/white males). Best try for long term relationship with Filipino women, Peruvian, Bolivian, Ecuadorian, etc.)

There are only two quantities of value females consider in mate choice, genetic benefits (indicated in physical attractiveness), and direct benefits (indicated in investment strategies with respect to material resources, and paternal investment)

If you're observing a female subset from underdeveloped countries women (screening scams profiles, etc. marketed/registred through international dating sites, it is because marriage represents an perfect strategy to reap direct benefits for economically limited women, so it will always be coveted, in some measure, by opportunistic and mercenary females (mail order brides).

So make sure that you are financially secure / stable (ability enough to keep the costs of a non-working woman and offspring for the rest of your life) and later you will be able to order a service travel / tour on marriage agencies.

Get out of your head the obtuse idea of traveling outside on your own, to meet women randomly for sex/hooking up relationships.
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Re: Been cold approaching/doing PUA for 8 yrs... My 2 cents
Wow it only took 8 years to figure out something that most men know by common sense...

BTW, the entire world is becoming westernized, so moving abroad in today's age won't make a lick of difference.

Yeah PUA and "game" bullshit is a giant scam. We all know that, especially the guys here that spent thousands of dollars and wasted all their time on pua bullshit.
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You dumb fucks.

You get dealt the cards of which ever game you enter.

Choose to view woman as a piece of disposable meat, rated by desirability, you'll get the same back.

See women as inherently valuable persons to be loved honored and protected, and you might actually come across a decent woman who'll see you as more than a mediocre joke lay cos there was nothing better to be had.

Fools!
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And I just blew off a hot 40 year old, I'm 52. I prefer to be by self.
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You have to turn yourself into a Chad, OP.

Physical characteristics of a Chad which women find hot:

1. Very low body fat

2. Athlete's physique

3. Well defined facial muscles

4. Tanned and even skin complexion

5. Stubble

6. Good head of hair, i.e., not receding.

7. Thick dark eyebrows

8. Tall

However... women also want a Chad who is rich, drives a Ferrari, is adventurous, is popular, etc, etc.

Master the majority of those things and whores will come running to you.
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Don't have fancy definitions but there 3 types of female.

I'm her type.
I'm not her type.
She is not sure.

We should be clear....if I'm her type or she is not sure...it's a date.

If I'm not her type....it's up to me to make her think she still should try......


5.8 slightly overweight. For some reason people think I'm ittalian / Spanish but have eastern accent.

Op sorry if I missed but how is your success rate with same genotypes?
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Yeah. Parhump, Nevada is about 3-4 hours away. Next.

Seriously, legalize prostitution.
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You dumb fucks.

You get dealt the cards of which ever game you enter.

Choose to view woman as a piece of disposable meat, rated by desirability, you'll get the same back.

See women as inherently valuable persons to be loved honored and protected, and you might actually come across a decent woman who'll see you as more than a mediocre joke lay cos there was nothing better to be had.

Fools!
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Those women you speak of are long gone. Men must understand what women are and what they will do to men in relationships.
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I see semi hot girls go for guys that are short, chubby, ugly, etc. when they dude is embedded into a particular culture such as drifting, motocross, off-roading, driving a prerunner truck, motorcycles, gaming, artsy, poetry, music, etc. They rock the culture hard and are the epitome of the stereotype I just mentioned.

Find a cultural stereotype you are okay with "being" and dig in deep. Become that stereotype and I assure you that you will have a hot chick eventually on your side. I have seen it.
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50.000 approaches, avg. 5 minutes = 4.166 hours of your life or 173 days wasted.

If you had put that amount of hours in an job paying only 20$ an hour you would still have ap. 80.000$ more in your account.

As all that PUA crap also seems to sit on appearance factors like clothing, grooming and training I think it is reasonable to say that the amount of money spent equals those 80.000

So 160.000$ lost to get .. "laid"

160.000 would have gotten you ap. 500 good escorts over here or almost 10 years of bagging a hot chick EVERY WEEKEND.

See how utterly retarded PUA is ??

I am a MiGTOW since 2001, since than I have bough and paid for a really nice private home with lots of space and a commercial rental that creates money every month in addition to my income.

I am pushing 40 and plan my retirement for 45-50 if things go well.

See... how pussy begging destroyed your opportunities ??
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I learned that once you get girls, you don't want them as bad, and then you get more of them...hint, hint.

You're wanting is like repellent. This is why some of the better PUA's tell you to just go out and amuse yourself, don't look for results, just have fun, etc..., etc...They know it's true but they don't know quite why. I'll tell you why though: your reality is a reflection of you.

Anyway, chasing girls isn't really worth the time. They're way more like you than you think, and do you think you're worth the time to be chased? Probably not. Girls don't think they are either, but they find it amusing that so many guys are obsessed with getting at their pussies.

I've been in your shoes before OP, but the key to happiness is not getting pussy, it's fixing the negative framework in your head that you're living on. Check out Julien of RSD on YouTube...he talks a lot about this even though he's a PUA and makes money off of guys like you.
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And I just blew off a hot 40 year old, I'm 52. I prefer to be by self.
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Liar. There's no such thing as a hot 40 year old.
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And I just blew off a hot 40 year old, I'm 52. I prefer to be by self.
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Liar. There's no such thing as a hot 40 year old.
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40+ years old here, junior, and I meet girls in their early 20's quite frequently. If you take care of yourself, don't smoke, don't drink too much, and exercise, you could look great into your 50's. I look better now than I did when I was 20. So fuck you.
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Eat right and spend lots of time in the gym. Girls will find you and you won't have to approach 10 zillion of them and get 10 zillion rejections.
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I learned that once you get girls, you don't want them as bad, and then you get more of them...hint, hint.

You're wanting is like repellent. This is why some of the better PUA's tell you to just go out and amuse yourself, don't look for results, just have fun, etc..., etc...They know it's true but they don't know quite why. I'll tell you why though: your reality is a reflection of you.

Anyway, chasing girls isn't really worth the time. They're way more like you than you think, and do you think you're worth the time to be chased? Probably not. Girls don't think they are either, but they find it amusing that so many guys are obsessed with getting at their pussies.

I've been in your shoes before OP, but the key to happiness is not getting pussy, it's fixing the negative framework in your head that you're living on. Check out Julien of RSD on YouTube...he talks a lot about this even though he's a PUA and makes money off of guys like you.
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I believe you have it correct, as jesus said them that have will get more, those that have little even what little they have will be taken from them. Right now i am in thr process of learning to create larger circles of women who i have no real intention of sleeping with, or at least am aboe to supress, with some occasional failings at maintaining form. The first few times i was way too impulsive and demanding on them and freaked them out, i am learning to slow myself down to a gives no fuck attitude, also, i was rejecting /alienating away forcefully women i contacted who didnt fit my criteria, this has to stop, no more arguing with them or condemning them, it creates negative ripples in their collective consciousness. Get over the feeling of being rejected by that which you yourself reject, dont make advances you cant energetically back up, friendzone them before they can friendzone you, but its not a race to reject or be rejected, women are hungry feeders on social comfort, if you make no advances you will not be rejected and they will continue to engage with you for their own narcisstic reasons, use their attention and accepting energy to be acceptable to other women as well with increased ease of interaction, friendzone many, carrying this energy find the one you actually want ,make advances, but withhold sex, tell her with her you want to move slower than you have in the past, because you actually want her and respect her, maybe eventually let her suck you off a few times, draw up a prenup, and go for it.
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OP do what my friend does.

buys good pheromones. goes into bookshops / concerts etc and stands near hot chicks. works so much its a laugh.
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Not much into the puahate/sluthate culture but a lot of what you guys write is actually true(especially about ill have preferences, you still need to be the top 1-2 dudes in that circle to get results.
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OK, dude. I wrote a book on this subject and will now enlighten you, based in the 10 years of pondering I have done since writing it.

You are 90% of the way there and the answer is right in front of you: You are trying too hard.

If your goal is to manifest an ACTUAL deep and meaningful connection - which is what leads to hookup - you need to observe more and act less. There ARE women looking at you and giving you cues, but you are too wrapped up in game and your own sense of obligation to approach to see them. Your frame of reference is blocking out the signals women are giving you from afar. So, stand back and observe. Remember everything you have learned and combine this with ONLY approaching women who already show interest. Since you are on the West coats and Azns are everywhere, you will have plenty of opportunity. Just relax and be GENUINE. Instead of focusing on being alpha, just remember to not be beta. Let and go and FEEL if there is an actual connection. This will make the whole thing easier.

Basically, the entire pickup guru paradigm is psychopathically superficial and overcompensating. It goes too far in the direction of alpha and is unbalanced in every way. But, having absorbed the skills and conquered your fear (like... AGES ago, lol), you are now in a perfect place to sit back and let the love roll in.

That said, there is no such thing as love - only chemical interaction that has a shelf life and expiration date. So, don't fall off the wagon, just dial it back a few clicks and remember the basics of eye contact, smile and time limit to approach. You can always date above your grade if you watch for the cues and act on them.

I have found that celibacy is FAR more powerful than any pickup technique, however. I get stared at now by pretty much every female in a room and the 9-10s even more-so.

For that to work you have to TRULY not give a fuck deep down in your bones. Good luck!
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If you aren't good looking(tall/white/etc), you will have a very difficult time getting laid.
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Funny how you say you need to be "tall and white", but then here you say:


about 2 and a half years ago, i started winging with my good looking black friend(dude is a genuine 9/10, buff as fuck, tall, etc). Every girl he has approached was "already" interested in him by giving him signals, and every number he gets, 95% of the time he would convert it on a date(he rarely gets flaked on basically).
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So what is it OP? Don't think that your good looking black friend could be white at the same time.

Maybe it's not about being white. Maybe it's about being the best you can be. You said yourself, you're not only short (you can't change it) but you're also chubby (you CAN change it).

So in those 8 years you didn't even manage to at least get in shape. I get it that some are more lucky than others, WE KNOW IT. But whatever helps should be done though, right? Doesn't seem like you have done whatever it takes though.
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Mistake number one, is giving so much of a fuck. Ive never "approached" wtf are yall doing.

Fucking creepers and losers use some "method"

Try being youself and youll get laid.

Stop over thinking and enjoy life, probably will be more attractive that way too.
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"Women are shallow as fuck in the usa, that's a no brainer"
or perhaps quality women recognize that you are not a gentleman (to receive respect, you must offer it too).
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OP, let's talk about your micro-penis.


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If you aren't good looking(tall/white/etc), you will have a very difficult time getting laid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71304953


Funny how you say you need to be "tall and white", but then here you say:


about 2 and a half years ago, i started winging with my good looking black friend(dude is a genuine 9/10, buff as fuck, tall, etc). Every girl he has approached was "already" interested in him by giving him signals, and every number he gets, 95% of the time he would convert it on a date(he rarely gets flaked on basically).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71304953


So what is it OP? Don't think that your good looking black friend could be white at the same time.

Maybe it's not about being white. Maybe it's about being the best you can be. You said yourself, you're not only short (you can't change it) but you're also chubby (you CAN change it).

So in those 8 years you didn't even manage to at least get in shape. I get it that some are more lucky than others, WE KNOW IT. But whatever helps should be done though, right? Doesn't seem like you have done whatever it takes though.
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OP is lying. There is just a slice of white girls truly interested in black guys. The olnes who are would go for a 9/10 black guy but there are many white girls who wouldn't.
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Not much into the puahate/sluthate culture but a lot of what you guys write is actually true(especially about Looks/money/status) and that "game" such as confidence/sub-com isn't as important as what most PUA gurus claim it is to be.

About me, i've been cold approaching for 8 yrs now, living in San Francisco/Los Angeles. My parents emigrated to america from Vietnam when i was 4 yrs old(i'm 5'5 vietnamese american, basically i look like any other average looking asian guy). I have about 50,000 approaches under my belt(could be more). I've also taken two bootcamps(1 from lovesystems and 1 from RSD).Basically, 50k approaches, BOTH day game and night game. MOst of my day game were at malls/beaches/college campuses, nightgame were at bars/high end clubs.

50,000 approaches and i started to notice patterns/tendencies of the feedback i received from women.

1. Majority of girls I approached were go-nowhere/BF objection/platonic conversations, and even IF i got her phone number, 95% of the time she will not respond, or she WILL respond but flake/make excuses about not going on a date with me

and yes, this is REGARDLESS if I was in "state"(aka came on confident). The only difference between being out of state and being in state is that the girls are more polite and won't reject you right away. Basically, if the girl doesn't see you as her type, no amount of "game" will get her to like you and flip the attraction switch. She still has to like you in a physical sense(the same reason YOU wouldn't want to date a fat/ugly girl even if she was funny). Majority of the girls i approach have a Boyfriend(Especially the attractive ones), and of the times where she doesn't have a boyfriend, anything more than a non-platonic interaction, she will make a shitload of excuses.

2. The "Rare" results i occasionally get, it was because of sheer volume/effort of approaching and has little to do with my "game". THe last few lays i had, the girls had a VERY strong preference with asian guys. And the girls i usually tend to attract aren't anymore better looking than me (they are about 5s or 6s). Basically, i was at the right place at the right time thanks to the "numbers game" i played.

don't forget, i still had to tolerate the shitload of go nowhere sets (BF objections/Day 2 flakes/platonic interactions) to get a small % of the results(i'll probably get a few lays a year from a sub 5/10 girl). Keep in mind though, majority of the girls i tend to approach are attractive white or mexican girls, i'm sure my hit rate will increase if I approached asian girls.

3. what you basically learn when you take a bootcamp is basically "approach as much as possible" "be confident" "take care of logistics". That's pretty much the gist of what i learned. ANd IF i don't get the desired result, I am the one to blame/held accountable(but not the technique that was presented to me) for not "doing it correctly".
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the reason why this is BS is because from my experience, EVERY "lay" i've ever gotten was because I was at the right place at the right time, it has little to do with my "game", it has more to do with the girl having a strong preference in asian guys or the girl was already "interested" in me, regardless if I had game. (basically, this is what they call screening).

I also tried online game and i got nothing out of it. Just a warpig but i wasn't interested. I even tried tinder(mass swiming right) and i only got a few matches, none of which converted into a date). I've learned that the online dating option is a waste of time for me because I TRIED IT and got nothign to show for. Also, girls get combarded with messages all the time, so even if you mass email hundreds of girls, that girl probably gets hundreds a day, so it really doesn't increase your chances.

about 2 and a half years ago, i started winging with my good looking black friend(dude is a genuine 9/10, buff as fuck, tall, etc). Every girl he has approached was "already" interested in him by giving him signals, and every number he gets, 95% of the time he would convert it on a date(he rarely gets flaked on basically). I've hung out with him for over 8 months and i saw the same pattern. His game is NO better than mine(as a matter of fact, my game is better than his because i'm more confident and I approach more), he's just more efficient because he's good at taking advantage of the girls who are already interested in him and converting it into results.


4. The average looking and hot girls in the united states(and most western society) REALLY do get a lot of suitors believe it or not. That is why they are ultra picky /selective on who they date. basically, the women in the united states(or any western society) are OVERVALUED, there's hoards of guys who are their suitors.


Overall

I've already accepted the status-quo of the dating/cold approach scene here in the united states. I live here, i work here and i've already learned to accept that it's VERY difficult for me to get results. I still cold approach to this day believe it or not, i've learned to accept the difficulties of a minority short guy doing cold approach and persevere anyway. But yes, cold approach pickup is fucking hard and the most inefficient way to get laid(trust me on this). If you guys really want to get laid by a hot girl, go to countries where it's easy to get laid like eastern europe/south america/SE asia, etc. Otherwise, you will have a tough time getting results here. If you aren't good looking(tall/white/etc), you will have a very difficult time getting laid.

there is a trick to the western way of getting laid though. By joining a fraternity or raising your Status/ lots of $$$(girls can provide for themselves). And even if you are in a good social circle, the girls wil still have preferences, you still need to be the top 1-2 dudes in that circle to get results.
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Why don't you just find a girlfriend and get steady sex, instead of spreading STD's through random sex? Random sex is rarely really "good" sex. You need to be in a relationship and learn what each of you really like.
Funny how 'social security' has a shortfall...but never WELFARE!
Gimme a break.
Somehow, we can always afford ALL types of welfare (even for millions of illegal immigrants!), plus billions in foreign aid to nations that hate us...BUT...social security is a "problem".

Nah, the problem is the goobermint...Unknown AC.


Blame it on my ADD, baby...Sail
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