Irreducible Complexity - Evolution is *Literally* not possible!

The science you speak of requires greater faith than it takes to believe in God imho!

As i said, in order to have an evidence, you need to explayn how something has always existed and didn't evolve. And yes, evolutionists need to explain how something came out on nothing. Both theories are beyond our understanding. So everything is possible. And evolution doesn't even contradict intelligent design. There could be a combination of both. Something evolved and created another thing.

I'm grateful for you posting a/c!

I gotta hit the rack, but PLEASE, check out this link where Dr. Missler explains Dr. Ivan Panin's discovery of Bible numerics...this should do it for you!

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Cstch up with you tomorrow!

Peace!

This is the kind of thinking evolutionist take as fact and where they place their trust/faith:

Franklin M. Harold,* 2001. The way of the cell: molecules, organisms and the order of life, Oxford University Press, New York, p. 205.

"We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity; we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations."

How CRAZY is THAT?

How ABSURD is THAT?

In other words: "Welp...we don't know...we don't have a clue...we've got absolutely nothing...but even with nothing, we KNOW we have to reject Intelligent Design!"

Ok, out for now!

What kind of fossil would you consider proof of macroevolution?

How about any?

I need to apologize - I made an inappropriate statement and it is out of line with the mechanics of this thread!

I actually created a red herring for myself and regret it!

ALWAYS need to guard against arrogance!

Lol. ok. And what u smoking noe that got u on the god trip?

And yes u r god and so am i. God is everything, aka infinity

There is no creator. Universe has always existed and never was there a start and it will never end. Energy is neither created nor destroyed, it just changes forms. And that is what u r witnessing. Energy infinitely changing forms.


But lets say theres a creator rather a self creating universe. So what was he doing before he created all this? Chillin? And beforw that? And before that? Creator and beginning defies logic as we know it

So evolution has 1000's of books and peer reviewed evidence too support it and is widely accepted by the scientific community around the world and creationtards have a few sh*t youtube videos.

What a bunch of potatoes.

Not you personally, of course, but so you've heard...

Christianity has yet to discover the transcendental dimensions of God consciousness (or Krishna consciousness) possessed by Jesus, its founder, who declared: "The kingdom of God does not come with your careful observation, nor will people say, 'It is here,' or 'It is there.' The kingdom of God is within you" (Luke 17:21).
"For one who sees Me everywhere and sees everything in Me, I am never lost, nor is he ever lost to Me" (Bhagavad-gita 6.30).
Christianity has not begun its transcendental task.

Would love to hit the bong now, however, I don't think it would glorify God, and, I don't think He want's me doing that!

I respectfully state that your comment is an oxymoron - kinda like it can't be daytime and nighttime at the same time!

Your position suggests (to me) that you are trying to branch out for deeper meaning and impact, which in a sense is a good thing as opposed to settling or accepting merely existing, so, if I'm correct..."thats good"..right?

But I need to ask, "how did you come to your conclusion that you, I...we, are god? What is foundation of your belief system built upon?

Based on observation, and logic and math(considered sacred by some). However, yes it is just a belief or theory, if you will, just like belief in god. Truth is our feeble underdeveloped human brain with barely a spec of knowledge can not even comprehend that which we are discussing. Compared to infinity aka god we literally know nothing, because any number divided by infinity equals 0.

You earlier stated that god is infinite. Do u understand what infinite means? Means anything and everything u can imagine exists somewhere. So we are not really arguing for different sides, but for the same side. You just have a more limited understanding of what we are talking about and what it really means for "god" to be infinite. It entails everything

Universe is an oxy moron. For any force there is an equal and opposite force(one of the laws of physics) so if u look at the universe as an infinite x axis, then yes, negative side of it exists and so does positive, but if u add all the infinite negative numbers and all the positive infinite numbers, u get zero.

And time, i dont think we really understand how it works, just like in the infinite x axis example, we are looking at time as 1pm to 2pm, but if looked at from perspective of infinity, time is just one thing that exists, and kind of doesnt at the same time. Like i said everything is nothing and nothing is everything. thats the only way to think that answers all the questioms.

If u want to understand infinity u need to open ur mind. it not about just the x axis, or time, or space beyond space, or how many times u can divide a number by 2(infinitely), or how many decimal numbers thete are between 1 and 2(infinite amount).

Best way i can imagine infinity is as, imagine x axis, and y axis, and for 3d space there is an x axis, then imagine infinite amount of these axises going at every degree angle from that zero point, positive and negative, and thats infinity, like a infinitte ball of some sorts, infinite because u can keep drawing those axis in 3d space infinitely(between 14 degreee and 15 degree angle there is an infinity of angles(14.4, 14.44, 14.45, 14.45654445 etc)


And then it goes beyond 3d space. We just cant comprehend that one. But infinity is just that, infinity, so there is a monkey spaghetyy monster beaming lasers from space into your moms vag. Somewherw in the infinite universes and dimensions, there is. Etc etc etc. 8

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I meant z axis not x axis. Misspell

All narratives about center and origins defies logic as we know it. Saying either God or the universe has always existed is also logic defying. Among the choice of origin narratives I tend toward the notion the universe is a simulation.

Evolution is a theory. You know like the theory that social security will still be around we you reach 65.

Please know that in no way is it my intention to offend or insult you as a Hindu, so please, receive my comments as coming from a peaceful and caring heart! As I understand it, many Hindus are a more “salt of the earth” kind of people that place high value on honesty, integrity, hard work and commitment to their families. Many Hindus maintain a fantastic devotion to their gods/goddesses – to which Hindus drive deep into their rituals and practices! In other words…Hindus certainly make a “stand for something”!

From what I understand, Hinduism is a manifold or massive compilation of beliefs and/or practices and must say that Hinduism is certainly a diverse set of beliefs and practices that start with one primary god that is the pinnacle or source of all that cannot be known personally, and you, as a Hindu are an extension of this god...yes? Also (again as I understand it), Hindus believe in the endless or nearly endless cycle of creation and dematerialization tied in with the constant effect or impact of karma – which Christians identify as The Law of “sowing and reaping”. For the Hindu, karma leads to “do overs” or “continued schooling” by way of reincarnation – or in other words…the reason we are all here is because we’re working out/off bad karma. Hindus also (my understanding) that, basically, “all roads lead to Rome” or that, in one way or another all religions eventually lead back to God.

So, if I’ve got it right, Hinduism is religion or practice that is based upon works…yes?
This is a critical point that separates Christians and Hindus – as followers of Christ, we have come to accept that we *cannot* earn or perform works, of any kind, that can save us! We can do nothing to effect our salvation except receive the free gift of Grace from God! Christians believe we cannot save ourselves, but that God has done all the work and that salvation is ours for the asking! Christians also believe that God Is personal – that we can have a daily, interactive relationship with The Most High God!

If I may ask, why do you believe reincarnation is a reality?

If, according to Hinduism, all religions lead to God...how is it that you can say "Christianity has not begun its transcendental task?"

Were you born into Hinduism or are you a convert to Hinduism?

A scientific theory is a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment. Such fact-supported theories are not "guesses" but reliable accounts of the real world.

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Thanks for answering!

I recognize your definition of Infinity...and this leads back to my point - I think people are permeated with a voracious desire to define truth according to their whimsical ideas and desires!

This is precisely why we need a Standard that transcends human intellect!

I am not capable of defining "Infinity", therefore, I accept and submit to The Bibles definition of Infinity:

"Without limits; unbounded; boundless; not circumscribed; applied to time, space and qualities. God is infinite in duration, having neither beginning nor end of existence. He is also infinite in presence, or omnipresent, and his perfections are infinite. We also speak of infinite space."

There is only One Who fits this description - The Most High God!

Where did you learn about your definition of Infinity?

I think for me, it's wise to stick with The Biblical definition of Infinity!

People who buy into the theory of evolution also buy into the big bang, and also buy into anything mainstream science tells them...

The mathematical probability of HUMANS existing at all is astronomical.

"DNA and the molecules that surround it form a truly superb mechanism -- a miniaturized marvel. the information is so compactly stored that the amount of DNA necessary to code all the people living on our planet might fit into a space no larger than an asprin tablet!

Many scientists are convinced that cells containing such a complex code and such intricate chemistry could never have come into being by pure, undirected chemistry. No matter how chemicals are mixed, they do not create DNA spirals or any intelligent code whatsoever. Only DNA reproduces DNA.

Two well known scientists calculated the odds of life forming by natural processes. They estimated that there is less than 1 chance in 10 to the 40,000power that life could have originated by random trials. 10 to the 40,000power is a 1 with 40,000 zeros after it!"

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LOL...that was a good example!

How/when/where has evolution ever been observed?

What do you think about this guys comments?

Franklin M. Harold,* 2001. The way of the cell: molecules, organisms and the order of life, Oxford University Press, New York, p. 205.

"We should reject, as a matter of principle, the substitution of intelligent design for the dialogue of chance and necessity; we must concede that there are presently no detailed Darwinian accounts of the evolution of any biochemical or cellular system, only a variety of wishful speculations."

What "principle" is he referencing?

"Wishful speculations"?

Is this guy standing upon the same bedrock theory you are standing on?

Yes, math destroys the theory of evolution, but it often doesn't matter to the evolutionists because evolution is a religion!

we didnt evolution lead to cannibalism?

U just defined infinity, roughly. But just because a book mentions part 9f the truth doesnt mean its all true

You pull a random quote and post it out of context to support your BS arguments. I bet if you read the book you might actually learn something.

Here's another quote by him


"A pattern of global evolution that features deep time dominated by microbes, saltatory events such as lateral gene transfer, symbiosis, periodic catastrophes and bursts of innovation is not exactly what Darwin had in mind ….. But even cell evolution is animated by the universal principles of heredity, variation and natural selection. Cell evolution is not the world Darwin knew, but it’s Darwin’s world all the same."

Well i contradict myself, u r right, and wrong. At the same time. Hehh