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Scary that so many people will perish because of their own free-willed choice to disbelieve to any degree.
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Scary that you actually believe you have 'free will'.
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Scary that that's your excuse.
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Scary that so many people will perish because of their own free-willed choice to disbelieve to any degree.
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Scary that you actually believe you have 'free will'.
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Scary that that's your excuse.
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Cause and effect.

Learn something.
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Who is this God-fearing servant Messiah also spoken of in Isaiah then? Someone else?

Isaiah 11:1-5

11 There shall come forth a shoot from the stump of Jesse,
and a branch from his roots shall bear fruit.
2 And the Spirit of YHWH shall rest upon him,
the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the Spirit of counsel and might,
the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of YHWH.
3 And his delight shall be in the fear of YHWH.

He shall not judge by what his eyes see,
or decide disputes by what his ears hear,


Thread: God says the Messiah will fear God, Christians says the Messiah will be God.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Sir, you may never understand while you live who your savior is...

but may you understand that God takes delight in the fear of God as an attribute of others.
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So you believe in another Messiah sent from another God? Like Marcion? Why don't you believe in the anointed servant of YHWH?
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Scary that so many people will perish because of their own free-willed choice to disbelieve to any degree.
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Scary that you actually believe you have 'free will'.
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Scary that that's your excuse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


What's your excuse for rejecting the oneness and supremacy of YHWH? And his anointed servant?
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Scary that so many people will perish because of their own free-willed choice to disbelieve to any degree.
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Scary that you actually believe you have 'free will'.
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Scary that that's your excuse.
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What's your excuse for rejecting the oneness and supremacy of YHWH? And his anointed servant?
 Quoting: Monotheism


I don't! YOU DO!

YHWH and Jesus are ONE. I believe in the oneness of YHWH and his annointed servant Jesus! It is you who does not believe in the oneness of YHWH and his servant.
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Jesus answered, “The most important is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one. Mark 12:29

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Thread: Gnostic arch-heretic Valentinus: originator or the Christian trinity model.
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Scary that so many people will perish because of their own free-willed choice to disbelieve to any degree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


Scary that you actually believe you have 'free will'.
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Scary that that's your excuse.
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What's your excuse for rejecting the oneness and supremacy of YHWH? And his anointed servant?
 Quoting: Monotheism


Jesus refers to himself as the anointed servant of the Lord. Then he goes on to declare his oneness with YHWH,

I and my Father are one.
John 10:30

So, Monotheism, what's your excuse for rejecting the oneness of YHWH and his anointed servant?
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Scary that you actually believe you have 'free will'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63783723


Scary that that's your excuse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


What's your excuse for rejecting the oneness and supremacy of YHWH? And his anointed servant?
 Quoting: Monotheism


I don't! YOU DO!

YHWH and Jesus are ONE. I believe in the oneness of YHWH and his annointed servant Jesus! It is you who does not believe in the oneness of YHWH and his servant.
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Hosea 11:9
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.


how dare you say G-d is one with the Messiah when clearly he says he is one, alone and not a man?!

how dare you call it a mystery that G-d says one thing but really means the other?

you are an idolater.
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Scary that that's your excuse.
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What's your excuse for rejecting the oneness and supremacy of YHWH? And his anointed servant?
 Quoting: Monotheism


I don't! YOU DO!

YHWH and Jesus are ONE. I believe in the oneness of YHWH and his annointed servant Jesus! It is you who does not believe in the oneness of YHWH and his servant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


Hosea 11:9
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.


how dare you say G-d is one with the Messiah when clearly he says he is one, alone and not a man?!

how dare you call it a mystery that G-d says one thing but really means the other?

you are an idolater.
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Not yet a man.

Are you suggesting that God CANNOT become a man?

People in the scriptures who SAW God:
[link to www.immanuelapproach.com]
Most people of renown in the scriptures SAW God.
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Scary that you actually believe you have 'free will'.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 63783723


Scary that that's your excuse.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


What's your excuse for rejecting the oneness and supremacy of YHWH? And his anointed servant?
 Quoting: Monotheism


I don't! YOU DO!

YHWH and Jesus are ONE. I believe in the oneness of YHWH and his annointed servant Jesus! It is you who does not believe in the oneness of YHWH and his servant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


Yes, one is purpose. Same Greek expression as used in 1 Corinthians 3:8. They don't have the same will, they don't have the same knowledge, one is the God of Abraham, the other one is not.

Meanwhile the abominable Christian trinity idol claim they are one in ousia and three in hypostases all according pagan, Greek philosophy adopted mostly from Gnostic models.
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What's your excuse for rejecting the oneness and supremacy of YHWH? And his anointed servant?
 Quoting: Monotheism


I don't! YOU DO!

YHWH and Jesus are ONE. I believe in the oneness of YHWH and his annointed servant Jesus! It is you who does not believe in the oneness of YHWH and his servant.
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Hosea 11:9
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.


how dare you say G-d is one with the Messiah when clearly he says he is one, alone and not a man?!

how dare you call it a mystery that G-d says one thing but really means the other?

you are an idolater.
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Not yet a man.

Are you suggesting that God CANNOT become a man?

People in the scriptures who SAW God:
[link to www.immanuelapproach.com]
Most people of renown in the scriptures SAW God.
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not YET?

G-d says he is not a man... and you dare not YET?

just to stick to your sickening idolatry?

pagan.
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Scary that that's your excuse.
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What's your excuse for rejecting the oneness and supremacy of YHWH? And his anointed servant?
 Quoting: Monotheism


I don't! YOU DO!

YHWH and Jesus are ONE. I believe in the oneness of YHWH and his annointed servant Jesus! It is you who does not believe in the oneness of YHWH and his servant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


Yes, one is purpose. Same Greek expression as used in 1 Corinthians 3:8. They don't have the same will, they don't have the same knowledge, one is the God of Abraham, the other one is not.

Meanwhile the abominable Christian trinity idol claim they are one in ousia and three in hypostases all according pagan, Greek philosophy adopted mostly from Gnostic models.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I didn't understand what you wrote, but I am interested to know what version you use and if you change the versions which you study?
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Verses excerpted from Isaiah 45
NKJV


That you may know that I, the LORD,
Who call you by your name,
Am the God of Israel.


I am the LORD, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me
.



Thus says the LORD,
The Holy One of Israel, and his Maker



Truly You are God, who hide Yourself,
O God of Israel, the Savior!



For thus says the LORD,
Who created the heavens,
Who is God,
Who formed the earth and made it,
Who has established it,
Who did not create it in vain,
Who formed it to be inhabited:
"I am the LORD, and there is no other.
I have not spoken in secret,
In a dark place of the earth;
I did not say to the seed of Jacob,
'Seek Me in vain';
I, the LORD, speak righteousness,
I declare things that are right.



Who has declared this from ancient time?
Who has told it from that time?
Have not I, the LORD?
And there is no other God besides Me,
A just God and a Savior;
There is none besides Me.


"Look to Me, and be saved,
All you ends of the earth!
For I am God, and there is no other
.

I have sworn by Myself;
The word has gone out of My mouth in righteousness,
And shall not return,
That to Me every knee shall bow,
Every tongue shall take an oath
.

He shall say,
'Surely in the LORD I have righteousness and strength.
To Him men shall come,
And all shall be ashamed
Who are incensed against Him
.

In the LORD all the descendants of Israel
Shall be justified, and shall glory.'


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Burn in Hell Idol worshiper
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I don't! YOU DO!

YHWH and Jesus are ONE. I believe in the oneness of YHWH and his annointed servant Jesus! It is you who does not believe in the oneness of YHWH and his servant.
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Hosea 11:9
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.


how dare you say G-d is one with the Messiah when clearly he says he is one, alone and not a man?!

how dare you call it a mystery that G-d says one thing but really means the other?

you are an idolater.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


Not yet a man.

Are you suggesting that God CANNOT become a man?

People in the scriptures who SAW God:
[link to www.immanuelapproach.com]
Most people of renown in the scriptures SAW God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


not YET?

G-d says he is not a man... and you dare not YET?

just to stick to your sickening idolatry?

pagan.
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If you are a Jew you ought to be aware of the progression of the giving of the law of God. It was not all laid out in full force. He adapted to the desires and demands of his servants and expanded the law accordingly.

Ezekiel was made responsible for the sins of others, and then was made not responsible for the sins of others.

God became a man. He made man in his image which means he was barely any different than a man and he certainly was humanoid.
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Hosea 11:9
I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am God, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.


how dare you say G-d is one with the Messiah when clearly he says he is one, alone and not a man?!

how dare you call it a mystery that G-d says one thing but really means the other?

you are an idolater.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


Not yet a man.

Are you suggesting that God CANNOT become a man?

People in the scriptures who SAW God:
[link to www.immanuelapproach.com]
Most people of renown in the scriptures SAW God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


not YET?

G-d says he is not a man... and you dare not YET?

just to stick to your sickening idolatry?

pagan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


If you are a Jew you ought to be aware of the progression of the giving of the law of God. It was not all laid out in full force. He adapted to the desires and demands of his servants and expanded the law accordingly.

Ezekiel was made responsible for the sins of others, and then was made not responsible for the sins of others.

God became a man. He made man in his image which means he was barely any different than a man and he certainly was humanoid.
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you are simply lying.

or you are just ignorant.

everything you said is simply not true.

you dare add YET where its not there to stick to your roman paganism.

you are an idolater, you transgress the commandements.
and you probably never read the Torah.

have you read where it says that the Jews saw no likness in the fire in mt sinai there for they must never create an image of G-d?
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Not yet a man.

Are you suggesting that God CANNOT become a man?

People in the scriptures who SAW God:
[link to www.immanuelapproach.com]
Most people of renown in the scriptures SAW God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


not YET?

G-d says he is not a man... and you dare not YET?

just to stick to your sickening idolatry?

pagan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


If you are a Jew you ought to be aware of the progression of the giving of the law of God. It was not all laid out in full force. He adapted to the desires and demands of his servants and expanded the law accordingly.

Ezekiel was made responsible for the sins of others, and then was made not responsible for the sins of others.

God became a man. He made man in his image which means he was barely any different than a man and he certainly was humanoid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


you are simply lying.

or you are just ignorant.

everything you said is simply not true.

you dare add YET where its not there to stick to your roman paganism.

you are an idolater, you transgress the commandements.
and you probably never read the Torah.

have you read where it says that the Jews saw no likness in the fire in mt sinai there for they must never create an image of G-d?
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But then they accepted from Moses scripture stating how God formed creation with his HANDS but he's not a man now..

They all heard his voice but he's not a man now..

Moses saw him FACE-to-FACE but he's not a man now...

He was certainly humanoid, but he couldn't possibly be a man now...
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not YET?

G-d says he is not a man... and you dare not YET?

just to stick to your sickening idolatry?

pagan.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


If you are a Jew you ought to be aware of the progression of the giving of the law of God. It was not all laid out in full force. He adapted to the desires and demands of his servants and expanded the law accordingly.

Ezekiel was made responsible for the sins of others, and then was made not responsible for the sins of others.

God became a man. He made man in his image which means he was barely any different than a man and he certainly was humanoid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


you are simply lying.

or you are just ignorant.

everything you said is simply not true.

you dare add YET where its not there to stick to your roman paganism.

you are an idolater, you transgress the commandements.
and you probably never read the Torah.

have you read where it says that the Jews saw no likness in the fire in mt sinai there for they must never create an image of G-d?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


But then they accepted from Moses scripture stating how God formed creation with his HANDS but he's not a man now..

They all heard his voice but he's not a man now..

Moses saw him FACE-to-FACE but he's not a man now...

He was certainly humanoid, but he couldn't possibly be a man now...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


being a cynic wont help your cause pagan idolater.

everyone with a brain knows these are just figures of speech.
but you are so dishonest that you take a figure of speech to tell you G-d is a man when you have G-d telling you he is not a man.

you hate G-d, you are filthy pagan idolater.
you hate G-d so much that you refuse to listen to his world, you hate G-d but you love your lover your roman pagan version of jesus that was created in the council of nicea.
if you loved G-d, you would have listened to his word.
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What's your excuse for rejecting the oneness and supremacy of YHWH? And his anointed servant?
 Quoting: Monotheism


I don't! YOU DO!

YHWH and Jesus are ONE. I believe in the oneness of YHWH and his annointed servant Jesus! It is you who does not believe in the oneness of YHWH and his servant.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


Yes, one is purpose. Same Greek expression as used in 1 Corinthians 3:8. They don't have the same will, they don't have the same knowledge, one is the God of Abraham, the other one is not.

Meanwhile the abominable Christian trinity idol claim they are one in ousia and three in hypostases all according pagan, Greek philosophy adopted mostly from Gnostic models.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I didn't understand what you wrote, but I am interested to know what version you use and if you change the versions which you study?
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Hen esmen and hen eisin. 3d person plural present indicative and first person plural indicative of eimi: "the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be") – am, is."

[link to www.biblicalunitarian.com]

Notice how the translators knew exactly what Paul were trying to communicate using the exact same expression.

Berean Study Bible
He who plants and he who waters are one in purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor.

Berean Literal Bible
Now the one planting and the one watering are one, and each will receive the own reward, according to the own labor.

New American Standard Bible
Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

King James Bible
Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Now the one planting and the one watering are one in purpose, and each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

The one who plants and the one who waters have the same goal, and each will receive a reward for his own action.

The one who plants and the one who waters work as one, but each will receive his reward according to his work.
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If you are a Jew you ought to be aware of the progression of the giving of the law of God. It was not all laid out in full force. He adapted to the desires and demands of his servants and expanded the law accordingly.

Ezekiel was made responsible for the sins of others, and then was made not responsible for the sins of others.

God became a man. He made man in his image which means he was barely any different than a man and he certainly was humanoid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


you are simply lying.

or you are just ignorant.

everything you said is simply not true.

you dare add YET where its not there to stick to your roman paganism.

you are an idolater, you transgress the commandements.
and you probably never read the Torah.

have you read where it says that the Jews saw no likness in the fire in mt sinai there for they must never create an image of G-d?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


But then they accepted from Moses scripture stating how God formed creation with his HANDS but he's not a man now..

They all heard his voice but he's not a man now..

Moses saw him FACE-to-FACE but he's not a man now...

He was certainly humanoid, but he couldn't possibly be a man now...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


being a cynic wont help your cause pagan idolater.

everyone with a brain knows these are just figures of speech.
but you are so dishonest that you take a figure of speech to tell you G-d is a man when you have G-d telling you he is not a man.

you hate G-d, you are filthy pagan idolater.
you hate G-d so much that you refuse to listen to his world, you hate G-d but you love your lover your roman pagan version of jesus that was created in the council of nicea.
if you loved G-d, you would have listened to his word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


Well that's where we differ. I accept the Holy Bible, the Torah and Tanakh and the New Covenant as 100% literal (and 100% true).

Like when God said eye for an eye I accept it as 100% literal.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exodus 21:24

...not a "figure of speech".
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you are simply lying.

or you are just ignorant.

everything you said is simply not true.

you dare add YET where its not there to stick to your roman paganism.

you are an idolater, you transgress the commandements.
and you probably never read the Torah.

have you read where it says that the Jews saw no likness in the fire in mt sinai there for they must never create an image of G-d?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


But then they accepted from Moses scripture stating how God formed creation with his HANDS but he's not a man now..

They all heard his voice but he's not a man now..

Moses saw him FACE-to-FACE but he's not a man now...

He was certainly humanoid, but he couldn't possibly be a man now...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


being a cynic wont help your cause pagan idolater.

everyone with a brain knows these are just figures of speech.
but you are so dishonest that you take a figure of speech to tell you G-d is a man when you have G-d telling you he is not a man.

you hate G-d, you are filthy pagan idolater.
you hate G-d so much that you refuse to listen to his world, you hate G-d but you love your lover your roman pagan version of jesus that was created in the council of nicea.
if you loved G-d, you would have listened to his word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


Well that's where we differ. I accept the Holy Bible, the Torah and Tanakh and the New Covenant as 100% literal (and 100% true).

Like when God said eye for an eye I accept it as 100% literal.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exodus 21:24

...not a "figure of speech".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


no you dont accept it as 100% literal.
we both no you dont.
you are only saying that you are NOW so to not lose this argument, which is not even an argument.

G-d says he is not a man.
G-d says he never changes.
so he doesnt change from being not a man into being a man.

you are an idolater who has a tough time leaving idolatry behind.

also, good job citing a punishment and how to prescribe it as evidence for the nature of G-d.
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you are simply lying.

or you are just ignorant.

everything you said is simply not true.

you dare add YET where its not there to stick to your roman paganism.

you are an idolater, you transgress the commandements.
and you probably never read the Torah.

have you read where it says that the Jews saw no likness in the fire in mt sinai there for they must never create an image of G-d?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


But then they accepted from Moses scripture stating how God formed creation with his HANDS but he's not a man now..

They all heard his voice but he's not a man now..

Moses saw him FACE-to-FACE but he's not a man now...

He was certainly humanoid, but he couldn't possibly be a man now...
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being a cynic wont help your cause pagan idolater.

everyone with a brain knows these are just figures of speech.
but you are so dishonest that you take a figure of speech to tell you G-d is a man when you have G-d telling you he is not a man.

you hate G-d, you are filthy pagan idolater.
you hate G-d so much that you refuse to listen to his world, you hate G-d but you love your lover your roman pagan version of jesus that was created in the council of nicea.
if you loved G-d, you would have listened to his word.
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Well that's where we differ. I accept the Holy Bible, the Torah and Tanakh and the New Covenant as 100% literal (and 100% true).

Like when God said eye for an eye I accept it as 100% literal.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exodus 21:24

...not a "figure of speech".
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Do you even know what a figure of speech means? 1doh1

Ok. If you accept the new covenant as 100% literal you must also accept it when it show trinity and deity of messiah worshippers have no place in the kingdom.

And has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father– to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Revelation 1:6

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. Revelation 3:12

Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Revelation 22:15


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I don't! YOU DO!

YHWH and Jesus are ONE. I believe in the oneness of YHWH and his annointed servant Jesus! It is you who does not believe in the oneness of YHWH and his servant.
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Yes, one is purpose. Same Greek expression as used in 1 Corinthians 3:8. They don't have the same will, they don't have the same knowledge, one is the God of Abraham, the other one is not.

Meanwhile the abominable Christian trinity idol claim they are one in ousia and three in hypostases all according pagan, Greek philosophy adopted mostly from Gnostic models.
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I didn't understand what you wrote, but I am interested to know what version you use and if you change the versions which you study?
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Hen esmen and hen eisin. 3d person plural present indicative and first person plural indicative of eimi: "the basic Greek verb which expresses being, i.e. "to be") – am, is."

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Notice how the translators knew exactly what Paul were trying to communicate using the exact same expression.

Berean Study Bible
He who plants and he who waters are one in purpose, and each will be rewarded according to his own labor.

Berean Literal Bible
Now the one planting and the one watering are one, and each will receive the own reward, according to the own labor.

New American Standard Bible
Now he who plants and he who waters are one; but each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

King James Bible
Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.

Now the one planting and the one watering are one in purpose, and each will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

The one who plants and the one who waters have the same goal, and each will receive a reward for his own action.

The one who plants and the one who waters work as one, but each will receive his reward according to his work.
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Thanks for avoiding the questions.

By the way, Paul is always making analogous references to his Lord and God Jesus Christ and the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Many times he refers to them distinctly as separate and sometimes he refers to them as the same, being 1 together, indistinct.

There is purpose in witnessing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God because rightly he is so. It is for some people easier to accept that a man was the Son of God due to the age of corruption of mythological mindset than it is to believe that that same man was also the 1 and ONLY God himself come in the flesh.

For people who do not have problems with worhsipping many false gods it's easier to accept and believe that Jesus Christ IS God.

As a devoted Hindu for many years I always knew there was a supreme power, a supreme Spirit, and although I accepted many gods and stories I only sought after the 1 supreme power to know and to worship and praise and I was therefore detoured to Jesus, rejecting Hinduism and every religion except Christianity. Then after some time it was revealed to me that he IS God, and so my joy overflowed.

No man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
Matthew 11:27

I and my Father are one.
John 10:30

No, not merely "one in purpose" like 2 people working together to accomplish a goal, but 1 TOGETHER, indistinguishable.
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But then they accepted from Moses scripture stating how God formed creation with his HANDS but he's not a man now..

They all heard his voice but he's not a man now..

Moses saw him FACE-to-FACE but he's not a man now...

He was certainly humanoid, but he couldn't possibly be a man now...
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being a cynic wont help your cause pagan idolater.

everyone with a brain knows these are just figures of speech.
but you are so dishonest that you take a figure of speech to tell you G-d is a man when you have G-d telling you he is not a man.

you hate G-d, you are filthy pagan idolater.
you hate G-d so much that you refuse to listen to his world, you hate G-d but you love your lover your roman pagan version of jesus that was created in the council of nicea.
if you loved G-d, you would have listened to his word.
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Well that's where we differ. I accept the Holy Bible, the Torah and Tanakh and the New Covenant as 100% literal (and 100% true).

Like when God said eye for an eye I accept it as 100% literal.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exodus 21:24

...not a "figure of speech".
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no you dont accept it as 100% literal.
we both no you dont.
you are only saying that you are NOW so to not lose this argument, which is not even an argument.

G-d says he is not a man.
G-d says he never changes.
so he doesnt change from being not a man into being a man.

you are an idolater who has a tough time leaving idolatry behind.

also, good job citing a punishment and how to prescribe it as evidence for the nature of G-d.
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It's not the nature of God it's the nature of MAN. He is making a show of their evil behavior and teaching them to do right, to not do wrong, to fear him, to be fair, to think, to avoid pain, misery, terrible consequences..

Way to THINK.
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But then they accepted from Moses scripture stating how God formed creation with his HANDS but he's not a man now..

They all heard his voice but he's not a man now..

Moses saw him FACE-to-FACE but he's not a man now...

He was certainly humanoid, but he couldn't possibly be a man now...
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being a cynic wont help your cause pagan idolater.

everyone with a brain knows these are just figures of speech.
but you are so dishonest that you take a figure of speech to tell you G-d is a man when you have G-d telling you he is not a man.

you hate G-d, you are filthy pagan idolater.
you hate G-d so much that you refuse to listen to his world, you hate G-d but you love your lover your roman pagan version of jesus that was created in the council of nicea.
if you loved G-d, you would have listened to his word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


Well that's where we differ. I accept the Holy Bible, the Torah and Tanakh and the New Covenant as 100% literal (and 100% true).

Like when God said eye for an eye I accept it as 100% literal.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exodus 21:24

...not a "figure of speech".
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Do you even know what a figure of speech means? 1doh1

Ok. If you accept the new covenant as 100% literal you must also accept it when it show trinity and deity of messiah worshippers have no place in the kingdom.

And has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father– to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Revelation 1:6

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. Revelation 3:12

Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Revelation 22:15
 Quoting: Monotheism


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There is a purpose in speaking in 3rd person which you are unable to overlook and realize that Jesus is God.

There is purpose in witnessing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God because rightly he is so. It is for some people easier to accept that a man was the Son of God due to the age of corruption of mythological mindset than it is to believe that that same man was also the 1 and ONLY God himself come in the flesh.
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being a cynic wont help your cause pagan idolater.

everyone with a brain knows these are just figures of speech.
but you are so dishonest that you take a figure of speech to tell you G-d is a man when you have G-d telling you he is not a man.

you hate G-d, you are filthy pagan idolater.
you hate G-d so much that you refuse to listen to his world, you hate G-d but you love your lover your roman pagan version of jesus that was created in the council of nicea.
if you loved G-d, you would have listened to his word.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73756318


Well that's where we differ. I accept the Holy Bible, the Torah and Tanakh and the New Covenant as 100% literal (and 100% true).

Like when God said eye for an eye I accept it as 100% literal.

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,
Exodus 21:24

...not a "figure of speech".
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73763680


Do you even know what a figure of speech means? 1doh1

Ok. If you accept the new covenant as 100% literal you must also accept it when it show trinity and deity of messiah worshippers have no place in the kingdom.

And has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father– to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Revelation 1:6

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. Revelation 3:12

Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood. Revelation 22:15
 Quoting: Monotheism


Thread: No trinitarians in the kingdom?
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There is a purpose in speaking in 3rd person which you are unable to overlook and realize that Jesus is God.

There is purpose in witnessing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God because rightly he is so. It is for some people easier to accept that a man was the Son of God due to the age of corruption of mythological mindset than it is to believe that that same man was also the 1 and ONLY God himself come in the flesh.

Verily indeed it is so.
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Then it's settled.

I won!

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"Yeshua" will konk yoursilly head together like two co co nuts.
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get out off here, we do not want to know you!





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