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God Sends Evil Spirits To People???!!!!

 
Rev. Star Gazer
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14 Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

15 Saul's attendants said to him, "See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. 16 Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better."

I Samuel 16

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This passage has me rather perplexed.
"The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
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What? No one else notices the contradictions here?
"The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path..."
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At what time did his train leave Saul??


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I see it...so God likes to mess with people using paranormal experiences?

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It's a long story, my friend...

A long, long story...


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At what time did his train leave Saul??


tomato
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The only difference between the Republican and Democratic parties is the velocities with which their knees hit the floor when corporations knock on their door. That's the only difference.

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At what time did his train leave Saul??


tomato


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Feeling better Heidi?
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see, Gawd wuz fuckin wit saul, didnt like his name or sum such shit, and as soon as he decided to change it to Paul, problemo solved!

its like, SO simple!
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I didnt know that evil spirits were from the LORD??????
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God commands over all things, both good and evil. Any power that Satan or evil spirits possess is only that which God allows. If someone is being tormented by an evil spirit, it could be either a test by God, to see how the person will respond in faith, or possibly punishment from turning away from him. In either case, the end goal is to get the person to turn to God, or reinforce their faith in him.
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Feeling better Heidi?
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Yes :)
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God commands over all things, both good and evil. Any power that Satan or evil spirits possess is only that which God allows. If someone is being tormented by an evil spirit, it could be either a test by God, to see how the person will respond in faith, or possibly punishment from turning away from him. In either case, the end goal is to get the person to turn to God, or reinforce their faith in him.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8356


So if God is a loving, caring entity, why would he allow such pain? This is not making sense to me, I apologize...
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:D Good.

Sorry for distracting from thread.
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Or maybe the people who wrote that were overly supersticious. BTW, is this from the King James Version?
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I dont get it either. I agree if God is a loving caring God then why would he send an evil spirit to torment someone.
I dont buy into the crap either that he is testing.
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God commands over all things, both good and evil. Any power that Satan or evil spirits possess is only that which God allows. If someone is being tormented by an evil spirit, it could be either a test by God, to see how the person will respond in faith, or possibly punishment from turning away from him. In either case, the end goal is to get the person to turn to God, or reinforce their faith in him.


So if God is a loving, caring entity, why would he allow such pain? This is not making sense to me, I apologize...
 Quoting: HeidiLore



It's like a parent disciplining a child for dangerous/stupid behavior. The child will hate being punished, but it's for their own good and the parents do so because they love the child. If the end result is that a person would make it to heaven as a result of some suffering on earth, God will allow it.
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It's like a parent disciplining a child for dangerous/stupid behavior. The child will hate being punished, but it's for their own good and the parents do so because they love the child. If the end result is that a person would make it to heaven as a result of some suffering on earth, God will allow it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 8356
True. And not only that wasn't Saul doing God's work? In many cases God has felt the need to punish their prophets and whoever else he uses if they are too prideful or have done sinful things when they are supposed to be setting the example. Remember, not all the prophets in the bible were perfect.
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14 Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

15 Saul's attendants said to him, "See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. 16 Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better."

I Samuel 16

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This passage has me rather perplexed.
 Quoting: Rev. Star Gazer




Here is some background...

Throughout Saul’s reign there were repeated battles against the Philistines and other peoples, including the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, and Amalekites. (1Sa 14:47, 48, 52) In the war against the Amalekites, Saul transgressed God’s command by sparing the best of their flock and herd as well as their king, Agag.

When asked why he had not obeyed God’s voice, Saul disclaimed guilt and shifted the blame onto the people. Only after Samuel emphasized the serious nature of the sin and said that, because of it, God was rejecting him as king did Saul acknowledge that his error was the result of his fearing the people. After Saul pleaded with Samuel to honor him in front of the older men and in front of Israel by accompanying him, Samuel did appear with him before them. Then Samuel himself proceeded to put Agag to death. After that, Samuel parted from Saul and they had no further association.—1Sa 15:1-35.

It was after this and after the anointing of David as Israel’s future king that God’s spirit left Saul. From then on “a bad spirit from God terrorized him.” Having withdrawn his spirit from Saul, God made it possible for a bad spirit to gain possession of him, depriving Saul of his peace of mind and stirring up his feelings, thoughts, and imaginations in a wrong way.

Saul’s failure to obey God indicated a bad inclination of mind and heart, against which God’s spirit offered Saul no protection or resistive force. However, since God had permitted the “bad spirit” to replace his spirit and terrorize Saul, it could be termed a “bad spirit from God,” so that Saul’s servants spoke of it as “God’s bad spirit.” On the recommendation of one of his attendants, Saul requested that David be his court musician to calm him when he was troubled by the “bad spirit.”—1Sa 16:14-23; 17:15.

In a nutshell, the bad spirit that deprived Saul of his peace of mind was the bad inclination of his own mind and heart—his inward urge to do wrong. When God withdrew his holy spirit, Saul lost its protection and came to be dominated by his own bad spirit. Since God permitted that spirit to replace His holy spirit, this bad spirit is termed “a bad spirit from God.” God did no terrorizing. It was all Saul's fault.
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BTW, REV. that was a good question you asked.
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It's like a parent disciplining a child for dangerous/stupid behavior. The child will hate being punished, but it's for their own good and the parents do so because they love the child. If the end result is that a person would make it to heaven as a result of some suffering on earth, God will allow it.
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So parents send demons after their children when they're bad??? No, it isn't the same thing.
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14 Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

15 Saul's attendants said to him, "See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. 16 Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better."

I Samuel 16

blink scratching

This passage has me rather perplexed.
 Quoting: Rev. Star Gazer

Praise the Holy of Holy:1Sa 16:14 But the Spirit of the LORD departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD troubled him.
1Sa 16:15 And Saul's servants said unto him, Behold now, an evil spirit from God troubleth thee.
1Sa 16:16 Let our lord now command thy servants, which are before thee, to seek out a man, who is a cunning player on an harp: and it shall come to pass, when the evil spirit from God is upon thee, that he shall play with his hand, and thou shalt be well.
1Sa 16:17 And Saul said unto his servants, Provide me now a man that can play well, and bring him to me. Praise The Holy of Holy: Praise The Lamb Amen As I read it when the Holy Spirit departed Saul he was saddened by his own spirit that god gave him at birth.Thats why he didn't cast it out for he would be dead, he only made it feel better with good music.This is what many people do when there spirit is saddened listen to uplifting music! Has nothing to do with extra demonic spirit like legion!
Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good !
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Is there an evil so big that God could not create it? It's said he makes all things...alpha omega...
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contradictions, lol
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I didnt know that evil spirits were from the LORD??????
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Same here!

There is a verse which I can't locate at the moment, which says that God does NOT tempt anyone with evil - so how is it that he sends evil spirits to torment some one? I thought that the evil spirits were under the command of Satan?

I noticed that some one made the comment that he 'allows' evil however, these verses state that he 'sent' the evil spirit.
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Is there an evil so big that God could not create it? It's said he makes all things...alpha omega...
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Praise the Holy of Holy : The Holy Spirit has given me the answer I emailed to my other email but I am not going to post it here, sorry.Praise The Holy Lamb: amen
Holy, holy,holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.Praise the one who gives you peace beyond all understanding Yes that scripture still sounds good !
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Spliting hairs I see. Need a good conditioner like the fear of GOD. That would do the trick. lol

You guys kill me with all the ways you try and find fault in the Word.

I magin that if GOD is pissed at ya and wants to send an evil spirit or the IRS after you He can.

My 2ct here.
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Revelation 3:18-20

18 I counsel you to buy from Me gold refined in the fire, that you may be rich; and white garments, that you may be clothed, that the shame of your nakedness may not be revealed; and anoint your eyes with eye salve, that you may see.

19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten. Therefore be zealous and repent.

20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me.
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It's like a parent disciplining a child for dangerous/stupid behavior. The child will hate being punished, but it's for their own good and the parents do so because they love the child. If the end result is that a person would make it to heaven as a result of some suffering on earth, God will allow it.


So parents send demons after their children when they're bad??? No, it isn't the same thing.
 Quoting: HeidiLore


I agree its NOT the same thing
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14 Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

15 Saul's attendants said to him, "See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. 16 Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better."

I Samuel 16

blink scratching

This passage has me rather perplexed.




Here is some background...

Throughout Saul’s reign there were repeated battles against the Philistines and other peoples, including the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, and Amalekites. (1Sa 14:47, 48, 52) In the war against the Amalekites, Saul transgressed God’s command by sparing the best of their flock and herd as well as their king, Agag.

When asked why he had not obeyed God’s voice, Saul disclaimed guilt and shifted the blame onto the people. Only after Samuel emphasized the serious nature of the sin and said that, because of it, God was rejecting him as king did Saul acknowledge that his error was the result of his fearing the people. After Saul pleaded with Samuel to honor him in front of the older men and in front of Israel by accompanying him, Samuel did appear with him before them. Then Samuel himself proceeded to put Agag to death. After that, Samuel parted from Saul and they had no further association.—1Sa 15:1-35.

It was after this and after the anointing of David as Israel’s future king that God’s spirit left Saul. From then on “a bad spirit from God terrorized him.” Having withdrawn his spirit from Saul, God made it possible for a bad spirit to gain possession of him, depriving Saul of his peace of mind and stirring up his feelings, thoughts, and imaginations in a wrong way.

Saul’s failure to obey God indicated a bad inclination of mind and heart, against which God’s spirit offered Saul no protection or resistive force. However, since God had permitted the “bad spirit” to replace his spirit and terrorize Saul, it could be termed a “bad spirit from God,” so that Saul’s servants spoke of it as “God’s bad spirit.” On the recommendation of one of his attendants, Saul requested that David be his court musician to calm him when he was troubled by the “bad spirit.”—1Sa 16:14-23; 17:15.

In a nutshell, the bad spirit that deprived Saul of his peace of mind was the bad inclination of his own mind and heart—his inward urge to do wrong. When God withdrew his holy spirit, Saul lost its protection and came to be dominated by his own bad spirit. Since God permitted that spirit to replace His holy spirit, this bad spirit is termed “a bad spirit from God.” God did no terrorizing. It was all Saul's fault.
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I agree with your answer
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How do you know it's not the same thing? There isn't a person here who knows the truth of life and who we are and eternity. We see only the smallest of pictures in our tiny little self absorbed worlds. God sees the bigger picture.





It's like a parent disciplining a child for dangerous/stupid behavior. The child will hate being punished, but it's for their own good and the parents do so because they love the child. If the end result is that a person would make it to heaven as a result of some suffering on earth, God will allow it.


So parents send demons after their children when they're bad??? No, it isn't the same thing.


I agree its NOT the same thing
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