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God Sends Evil Spirits To People???!!!!

 
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What is this? You think you're judging God? Try reading the story. The Israelites rejected God. They told Samuel to select a king to reign over them, because they did not truly believe in God. Saul was initially selected, because he was tall and handsome. However, he was defiant and proud and started disobeying God's commands, because he thought he knew better. For example he was told to go into a village(Amalek) and kill and destroy everything. Instead, he kept all of their livestock and the king, although he did kill all the women, men, babies, and children, like God told him to do. Later, after Samuel scolded him for not killing everything, Saul tried to make up for it by hacking the king of Amalek into pieces as an offering. God regretted selecting him as the king, and selected David to replace him. When Samuel annointed David, the spirit of the Lord left Saul and entered David, leaving Saul with a "distressing spirit." Saul grew jealous of David and pursued him, trying to kill him. Later, after David actually spared Saul's life several times, when he had an opportunity to kill him, Saul realized that indeed, he was the wrong person to represent God, and killed himself later after facing defeat in battle. Very dramatic, no?
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This was all a long time ago, and God was probably doing some selective breeding, trying to get rid of the nephilum DNA. God seems to definitely be much more powerful than mortals, and knows things beyond time, but at the same time He seems to enjoy letting people make their mistakes. The Israelites signed their death warrants when they demanded a mortal king to judge them instead of God, just as God had told Moses they would do before Moses died. God told Moses they would reject Him and that He would destroy them.
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So what was the point of ancient Israel? It was a calling card to introduce you to God. Also a promise God feels obligated to keep to Abraham about his descendents and all. This of course, should also make you aware that the present day country calling itself israel is an abomination and a lie.
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God never said he was mister fluffy bunny, lovey dovey, old-man-in-a-white-robe. That's why He said don't make ANY images of Me, because we degrade Him by trying to imagine Him as a human. We are His creation, not the other way around. He isn't human, He's energy and a spirit, and probably gets very angry with pictures and paintings portraying Him. He is fearful and the highest God, and He does kill people and send spirits to mess with you. What are you going to do? You think you can fight Him? You think you know better?
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14 Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

15 Saul's attendants said to him, "See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. 16 Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better."

I Samuel 16

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This passage has me rather perplexed.




Here is some background...

Throughout Saul’s reign there were repeated battles against the Philistines and other peoples, including the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, and Amalekites. (1Sa 14:47, 48, 52) In the war against the Amalekites, Saul transgressed God’s command by sparing the best of their flock and herd as well as their king, Agag.

When asked why he had not obeyed God’s voice, Saul disclaimed guilt and shifted the blame onto the people. Only after Samuel emphasized the serious nature of the sin and said that, because of it, God was rejecting him as king did Saul acknowledge that his error was the result of his fearing the people. After Saul pleaded with Samuel to honor him in front of the older men and in front of Israel by accompanying him, Samuel did appear with him before them. Then Samuel himself proceeded to put Agag to death. After that, Samuel parted from Saul and they had no further association.—1Sa 15:1-35.

It was after this and after the anointing of David as Israel’s future king that God’s spirit left Saul. From then on “a bad spirit from God terrorized him.” Having withdrawn his spirit from Saul, God made it possible for a bad spirit to gain possession of him, depriving Saul of his peace of mind and stirring up his feelings, thoughts, and imaginations in a wrong way.

Saul’s failure to obey God indicated a bad inclination of mind and heart, against which God’s spirit offered Saul no protection or resistive force. However, since God had permitted the “bad spirit” to replace his spirit and terrorize Saul, it could be termed a “bad spirit from God,” so that Saul’s servants spoke of it as “God’s bad spirit.” On the recommendation of one of his attendants, Saul requested that David be his court musician to calm him when he was troubled by the “bad spirit.”—1Sa 16:14-23; 17:15.

In a nutshell, the bad spirit that deprived Saul of his peace of mind was the bad inclination of his own mind and heart—his inward urge to do wrong. When God withdrew his holy spirit, Saul lost its protection and came to be dominated by his own bad spirit. Since God permitted that spirit to replace His holy spirit, this bad spirit is termed “a bad spirit from God.” God did no terrorizing. It was all Saul's fault.
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It never ceases to amaze me how everyone seems to have all the answers about the mysteries and questions of the Bible.
Sometimes it is better to say " I have no idea why this was"
Saul DID NOT WANT to be king to begin with. He hid from Samuel. He did not want to be Israel's king and leader.
Saul was hounded into being a king and was hounded from being a king. But you know what? God was never happy about the fact that Israel wanted a king either. God did not want Israel to have a king, but, he let Israel have a king because they really wanted one.
God, who didn't want a king for Israel, chose saul, who did not want to be a king. How ironic.
Saul is really misunderstood if you ask me. The fact that he had such a good son says to me that he was not such a bad guy.
Just my 2 cents.
I kinda feel sorry for Saul. However, Saul had a very good son- Jonathon.
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14 Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

15 Saul's attendants said to him, "See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. 16 Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better."

I Samuel 16

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This passage has me rather perplexed.




Here is some background...

Throughout Saul’s reign there were repeated battles against the Philistines and other peoples, including the Moabites, Ammonites, Edomites, and Amalekites. (1Sa 14:47, 48, 52) In the war against the Amalekites, Saul transgressed God’s command by sparing the best of their flock and herd as well as their king, Agag.

When asked why he had not obeyed God’s voice, Saul disclaimed guilt and shifted the blame onto the people. Only after Samuel emphasized the serious nature of the sin and said that, because of it, God was rejecting him as king did Saul acknowledge that his error was the result of his fearing the people. After Saul pleaded with Samuel to honor him in front of the older men and in front of Israel by accompanying him, Samuel did appear with him before them. Then Samuel himself proceeded to put Agag to death. After that, Samuel parted from Saul and they had no further association.—1Sa 15:1-35.

It was after this and after the anointing of David as Israel’s future king that God’s spirit left Saul. From then on “a bad spirit from God terrorized him.” Having withdrawn his spirit from Saul, God made it possible for a bad spirit to gain possession of him, depriving Saul of his peace of mind and stirring up his feelings, thoughts, and imaginations in a wrong way.

Saul’s failure to obey God indicated a bad inclination of mind and heart, against which God’s spirit offered Saul no protection or resistive force. However, since God had permitted the “bad spirit” to replace his spirit and terrorize Saul, it could be termed a “bad spirit from God,” so that Saul’s servants spoke of it as “God’s bad spirit.” On the recommendation of one of his attendants, Saul requested that David be his court musician to calm him when he was troubled by the “bad spirit.”—1Sa 16:14-23; 17:15.

In a nutshell, the bad spirit that deprived Saul of his peace of mind was the bad inclination of his own mind and heart—his inward urge to do wrong. When God withdrew his holy spirit, Saul lost its protection and came to be dominated by his own bad spirit. Since God permitted that spirit to replace His holy spirit, this bad spirit is termed “a bad spirit from God.” God did no terrorizing. It was all Saul's fault.


It never ceases to amaze me how everyone seems to have all the answers about the mysteries and questions of the Bible.
Sometimes it is better to say " I have no idea why this was"
Saul DID NOT WANT to be king to begin with. He hid from Samuel. He did not want to be Israel's king and leader.
Saul was hounded into being a king and was hounded from being a king. But you know what? God was never happy about the fact that Israel wanted a king either. God did not want Israel to have a king, but, he let Israel have a king because they really wanted one.
God, who didn't want a king for Israel, chose saul, who did not want to be a king. How ironic.
Saul is really misunderstood if you ask me. The fact that he had such a good son says to me that he was not such a bad guy.
Just my 2 cents.
I kinda feel sorry for Saul. However, Saul had a very good son- Jonathon.
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Are you saying I don't have an idea of why this was? I stated it very plainly. Saul developed a bad heart condition. God took His holy spirit away and gave it to David. Pretty easy to understand. Thus Saul became dominated by his own bad spirit. He was on his own.
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Personally, I find it sickening and beyond comprehension that these people would be going into cities and murdering every man, woman and child. Absolutely disgusting. I'd like to have seen them all killed...well, actually I guess that is what happened to them in the end. I would have been gathering up my tent and heading for the hills with these murderous, insane, blood-thirsty maniacs, with this Samuel the seer telling them who to kill next. There is always the possibility that half the garbage you read was written by men, savages, murderers. After all, God's 10 Commandments clearly stated, "Thou shall not kill," yet they killed constantly. So the possibility exist that these people were insane, evil liars and were slated for destruction-actually they were, as God told Moses He was going to destroy them, and that most of the tales in Samuel are tales written by insane fools, whom did not talk to God, but had become the tools of the devil.
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Seems like every country that starts invading other countries and murdering people and stealing their possessions ends up being destroyed in the end, doesn't it?
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James 1
2 Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds,

3 because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.

4 Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.

5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him.

6 But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.

7 That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; 8he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does.
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We're all unstable. A rigid-minded person blind to possibilities is more unstable than most. I don't place my faith in men or men that claim they speak for God. The people at Jonestown did that. People are idiots. Personally, I think God has found that men screw up and pervert everything He has ever tried to do for them. They want to BE Him, not listen to Him.
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God commands over all things, both good and evil. Any power that Satan or evil spirits possess is only that which God allows. If someone is being tormented by an evil spirit, it could be either a test by God, to see how the person will respond in faith, or possibly punishment from turning away from him. In either case, the end goal is to get the person to turn to God, or reinforce their faith in him.


So if God is a loving, caring entity, why would he allow such pain? This is not making sense to me, I apologize...
 Quoting: HeidiLore



Ever read the book of Job? Not only does allow an evil spirit to torment Job but he takes all of his belongings and family away. It also states that Satan was before God!
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Ever read the book of Job? Not only does allow an evil spirit to torment Job but he takes all of his belongings and family away. It also states that Satan was before God!
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I've read the entire Bible. Still makes no sense. That isn't a good way to test...it's almost like dangling a naked woman in front of a married man. It's cruel and unjust. lol
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God never wanted a king for Israel. The people wanted a king... so God gave them a king.
I think the same goes for religion, namely, Judaism.

"Sacrifice and burnt offerings I did not require..."

Abraham's faith was more precious to God than Solomon's temple.

Faith trumps worship and ritual.

We are so living in the last days.
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Ever read the book of Job? Not only does allow an evil spirit to torment Job but he takes all of his belongings and family away. It also states that Satan was before God!


I've read the entire Bible. Still makes no sense. That isn't a good way to test...it's almost like dangling a naked woman in front of a married man. It's cruel and unjust. lol
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A naked woman in front of a mrried man is cruel indeed! I love you Heidi!
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A naked woman in front of a mrried man is cruel indeed! I love you Heidi!
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Dammit, I wish someone would say that and mean it.
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well, i could mean it but with the whole internet thing you could be in NV and I cold be in SC and we would never meet each other.

You seem nice and if you are the person in your avatar you are adorable!
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(also I meant the whole naked woman married man being cruel thing)
Do I think you really care what I am saying - no. But the people who read this may and they MAY see through you shilling for the guy to see the truth - then where will that leave you? You'll just be another voice shouting about some dreamworld you've constructed either for money or by delusion.

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WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE IN THIS THREAD FOR THESE CLAIMS? THE LIARS ALWAYS HIDE "BEHIND FIND IT YOURSELF". NO YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIM - PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE>YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU NEVER COMPLETED OBJECTIVE 1.

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well, i could mean it but with the whole internet thing you could be in NV and I cold be in SC and we would never meet each other.

You seem nice and if you are the person in your avatar you are adorable!
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Well, as I mentioned in the other thread, I'm in hell lol...and yes this is me.
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ok you twisted my arm Heidi...I am joining as a premium member tomorrow just so I can email you on this crazy GLP board...

Hell is where I grew up! What level?
Do I think you really care what I am saying - no. But the people who read this may and they MAY see through you shilling for the guy to see the truth - then where will that leave you? You'll just be another voice shouting about some dreamworld you've constructed either for money or by delusion.

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WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE IN THIS THREAD FOR THESE CLAIMS? THE LIARS ALWAYS HIDE "BEHIND FIND IT YOURSELF". NO YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIM - PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE>YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU NEVER COMPLETED OBJECTIVE 1.

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ok you twisted my arm Heidi...I am joining as a premium member tomorrow just so I can email you on this crazy GLP board...

Hell is where I grew up! What level?
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OOOH i'm getting men to sign up! Awesome!
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It happens.

If God had not sent delusions to those that wanted them, his purpose is naught. It is the deciphering of the whole to understand the plot. It all has a purpose under the sun so to speak. To see the signature of God. Love conquers all. Width or without you. Come to know the width, the breath, the extent of form for being. It is there, but in only Purity will it Be seen. You can listen to the wicked, but the wicked take you elsewhere.

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ok you twisted my arm Heidi...I am joining as a premium member tomorrow just so I can email you on this crazy GLP board...

Hell is where I grew up! What level?
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Something your way comes...
Do I think you really care what I am saying - no. But the people who read this may and they MAY see through you shilling for the guy to see the truth - then where will that leave you? You'll just be another voice shouting about some dreamworld you've constructed either for money or by delusion.

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WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE IN THIS THREAD FOR THESE CLAIMS? THE LIARS ALWAYS HIDE "BEHIND FIND IT YOURSELF". NO YOU ARE THE ONE MAKING THE CLAIM - PRESENT YOUR EVIDENCE>YOU CAN'T BECAUSE YOU NEVER COMPLETED OBJECTIVE 1.

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I dont get it either. I agree if God is a loving caring God then why would he send an evil spirit to torment someone.
I dont buy into the crap either that he is testing.
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I don't believe these concepts, either. I think one problem is in the translation.
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14 Now the Spirit of the LORD had departed from Saul, and an evil spirit from the LORD tormented him.

15 Saul's attendants said to him, "See, an evil spirit from God is tormenting you. 16 Let our lord command his servants here to search for someone who can play the harp. He will play when the evil spirit from God comes upon you, and you will feel better."

I Samuel 16

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This passage has me rather perplexed.
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Here is your answer. When you read something like this that bothers you, go to a bible online site, and check the Hebrew or Greek (Old Testament is Hebrew and the New Testamentis Greek)

Then check the original language.


Here is the word used in the text for "evil":

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7451. ra' (rah)

from ra'a'; bad or (as noun) evil (natural or moral)

adversity, affliction, bad, calamity, + displease(-ure), distress, evil((- favouredness), man, thing), + exceedingly, X great, grief(-vous), harm, heavy, hurt(-ful), ill (favoured), + mark, mischief(-vous), misery, naught(-ty), noisome, + not please, sad(-ly), sore, sorrow, trouble, vex, wicked(-ly, -ness, one), worse(-st), wretchedness, wrong. (Incl. feminine raaah; as adjective or noun.).

see HEBREW ra'a'


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And here is the word for 'spirit':



7307. ruwach (roo'-akh)

from ruwach; wind; by resemblance breath, i.e. a sensible (or even violent) exhalation; figuratively, life, anger, unsubstantiality; by extension, a region of the sky; by resemblance spirit, but only of a rational being (including its expression and functions)

air, anger, blast, breath, X cool, courage, mind, X quarter, X side, spirit((-ual)), tempest, X vain, ((whirl-))wind(-y).

see HEBREW ruwach

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So, as you can see, it could have been translated something like depression, or gloomy mindset.


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If you have read the chapters right before this, you would know that Saul was a big pain in the ass. He was constantly screwing up. (although what is new with that with the people in the Bible? haha)

He was getting fired as the King.

Christians of today will tell you that if they 'grieve the Holy Spirit' like Paul warns about in Ephesians, depression is the result, always! In fact, nothing is more miserable than a backslidden Christian. They get the exact same treatment as Saul - AKA Wake up call.
"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8)
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"I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it." - Klaatu
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"I'm impatient with stupidity. My people have learned to live without it." - Klaatu
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A sad spirit is a gift from God so we can repent. Hello! It is not something bad. It is grace.

"It is by grace you have been saved, through faith, and that is a gift of God, lest any man should boast."
"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8)
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Ultimately, it's do we recognize?
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And how do we recognize this export.
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01/14/2007 03:40 AM
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Re: God Sends Evil Spirits To People???!!!!
In addition, I looked up the word for 'spirit' as in evil spirit, the kind that would be cast out, like a demon.

That is this:

4 You will be brought down, and will speak out of the ground. Your speech will mumble out of the dust. Your voice will be as of one who has a familiar spirit, out of the ground, and your speech will whisper out of the dust.

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'familiar spirit' is this:


178. 'owb (obe)

from the same as 'ab (apparently through the idea of prattling a father's name); properly, a mumble, i.e. a water skin (from its hollow sound); hence a necromancer (ventriloquist, as from a jar) bottle, familiar spirit.

see HEBREW 'ab

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"See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the basic principles of this world rather than on Christ." (Colossians 2:8)
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