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The Christian trinity is an idol.

 
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no straight answer...
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I did you just don't understand
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dont project.
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dont reject Jesus won't reject you if you come to him.

Come to Jesus :)
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do you worship the Messiah? do you see it as deity co equal with the father?

if so... then I cant follow you, I'd be breaking the first and second commandments.
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John 5:40
yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

I go to Jesus to have life! God draws me to Jesus ONLY!
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What does that have to do with the trinity? How can you have a way without a destination?
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The Messiah is the destination. He is the way the truth and the life. Go to him.....only!
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You just said he's the way. So what is the destination?
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HE is

this is why he states

COME TO ME!

John 5:40
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I did you just don't understand
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dont project.
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dont reject Jesus won't reject you if you come to him.

Come to Jesus :)
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do you worship the Messiah? do you see it as deity co equal with the father?

if so... then I cant follow you, I'd be breaking the first and second commandments.
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


I go to Jesus only and none other! JESUS alone and none other.

You can call that what you want to call that. There is no other person that can save you other then him JESUS!
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What does that have to do with the trinity? How can you have a way without a destination?
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The Messiah is the destination. He is the way the truth and the life. Go to him.....only!
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You just said he's the way. So what is the destination?
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HE is

this is why he states

COME TO ME!

John 5:40
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So why did he say the Father is?
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dont project.
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dont reject Jesus won't reject you if you come to him.

Come to Jesus :)
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


do you worship the Messiah? do you see it as deity co equal with the father?

if so... then I cant follow you, I'd be breaking the first and second commandments.
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


I go to Jesus only and none other! JESUS alone and none other.

You can call that what you want to call that. There is no other person that can save you other then him JESUS!
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G-d says no other besides him.
G-d says there is no savior but him.

so... you do see jesus as G-d.

that means you are breaking the first and second commandments, you are an idolater and wont have a place in the world to come (kingdom)

I am sorry, that you are not wise and courages enough to rise above this brainwashing done to you by rome and churchianity, because even your jesus said he is not G-d.
Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
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C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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induism WORSHIPS the lower manifestations of whatever deity they call the one the supreme infallible most high etc...

no matter how hard modern neo pagans would try and say that their religions also have a one god... it is not true, these neo pagans are living within a JUDAIC world within a world heavily influenced by Torah, in the minds of these neo pagans calling the lower manifestations gods... is stupid, but they only think its stupid thanks to Torah, this was not the case in the primordial carnations of their religions.

now... it doesnt matter if these religions have a one supreme most high, these are philosophical concepts every one can come up with... the question, are they true?
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What does all this stuff about neo-pagans have to do with advaita?
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since you are promoting this hindu crap... you are a neo pagan who thinks we cant see that you are a neo pagan who has been literally brain cleansed by Judaism.

now you try to sell hinduism as if its monotheism... but its not.
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I'm not promoting "hindu crap," doc, and I'm not a neo-anything. Your delusions of Judeo-supremacy are what just that, but the idea that you guys have some kind of corner on monotheism is silly. Hell, for all the admonitions over and over throughout your book, your folk still strayed again and again, running back to their chosen gods, just as you claim for those who you say worship what you call lower manifestations. The notion that someone living in India is living in a JUDAIC world influenced by the torah is frankly silly.
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I read it quite carefully. What makes you say there is nothing of purity in vedic and why? That's quite the bold claim. What are you basing it on?
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Ok, but I can't give a more direct answer. I base that on observation, research and deduction. That's not to say there aren't some interesting and unique aspects in Vedic tradition.
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C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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Creation is not the Creator. My path is with the true God. I had my first clean OBE after third eye meditation. Experience.
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Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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induism WORSHIPS the lower manifestations of whatever deity they call the one the supreme infallible most high etc...

no matter how hard modern neo pagans would try and say that their religions also have a one god... it is not true, these neo pagans are living within a JUDAIC world within a world heavily influenced by Torah, in the minds of these neo pagans calling the lower manifestations gods... is stupid, but they only think its stupid thanks to Torah, this was not the case in the primordial carnations of their religions.

now... it doesnt matter if these religions have a one supreme most high, these are philosophical concepts every one can come up with... the question, are they true?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


What does all this stuff about neo-pagans have to do with advaita?
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since you are promoting this hindu crap... you are a neo pagan who thinks we cant see that you are a neo pagan who has been literally brain cleansed by Judaism.

now you try to sell hinduism as if its monotheism... but its not.
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I'm not promoting "hindu crap," doc, and I'm not a neo-anything. Your delusions of Judeo-supremacy are what just that, but the idea that you guys have some kind of corner on monotheism is silly. Hell, for all the admonitions over and over throughout your book, your folk still strayed again and again, running back to their chosen gods, just as you claim for those who you say worship what you call lower manifestations. The notion that someone living in India is living in a JUDAIC world influenced by the torah is frankly silly.
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thats why hare krishnash in india are pure pagans worshipping loads of gods.

and american hare krishanas are like "no there is only the supreme god and all other gods are really manifestations and metaphors who are not to be worshipped"

so as you can easily tell, americans are far more influenced by Judaic Hebraic thought than indians.

and excuse me, I am not going to address your comment about Israel falling into idolatry.

well maybe I would.
Israel falling is the same as what happened with christianity, pagans come in, and shove their paganism into Jewish themes and Jews fall for it because it feels better.
baalists coming in and saying, baal is the tetragrammaton, so Jews fell.
and then christians came in and pushed their same old trinity born of a virgin paganism into Judaism and Jews fell for it.
it says nothing about the teachings of Judaism, and you know it.
Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
Psalms 85:11

There is no solution to the Jewish problem.
There is no answer to the Jewish question.

Judaism is the solution, Judaism is the answer.
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induism WORSHIPS the lower manifestations of whatever deity they call the one the supreme infallible most high etc...

no matter how hard modern neo pagans would try and say that their religions also have a one god... it is not true, these neo pagans are living within a JUDAIC world within a world heavily influenced by Torah, in the minds of these neo pagans calling the lower manifestations gods... is stupid, but they only think its stupid thanks to Torah, this was not the case in the primordial carnations of their religions.

now... it doesnt matter if these religions have a one supreme most high, these are philosophical concepts every one can come up with... the question, are they true?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


What does all this stuff about neo-pagans have to do with advaita?
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since you are promoting this hindu crap... you are a neo pagan who thinks we cant see that you are a neo pagan who has been literally brain cleansed by Judaism.

now you try to sell hinduism as if its monotheism... but its not.
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I'm not promoting "hindu crap," doc, and I'm not a neo-anything. Your delusions of Judeo-supremacy are what just that, but the idea that you guys have some kind of corner on monotheism is silly. Hell, for all the admonitions over and over throughout your book, your folk still strayed again and again, running back to their chosen gods, just as you claim for those who you say worship what you call lower manifestations. The notion that someone living in India is living in a JUDAIC world influenced by the torah is frankly silly.
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I'm not saying he's right, but the colonial influence in the Indian subcontinent is undeniable.
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induism WORSHIPS the lower manifestations of whatever deity they call the one the supreme infallible most high etc...

no matter how hard modern neo pagans would try and say that their religions also have a one god... it is not true, these neo pagans are living within a JUDAIC world within a world heavily influenced by Torah, in the minds of these neo pagans calling the lower manifestations gods... is stupid, but they only think its stupid thanks to Torah, this was not the case in the primordial carnations of their religions.

now... it doesnt matter if these religions have a one supreme most high, these are philosophical concepts every one can come up with... the question, are they true?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


What does all this stuff about neo-pagans have to do with advaita?
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since you are promoting this hindu crap... you are a neo pagan who thinks we cant see that you are a neo pagan who has been literally brain cleansed by Judaism.

now you try to sell hinduism as if its monotheism... but its not.
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I'm not promoting "hindu crap," doc, and I'm not a neo-anything. Your delusions of Judeo-supremacy are what just that, but the idea that you guys have some kind of corner on monotheism is silly. Hell, for all the admonitions over and over throughout your book, your folk still strayed again and again, running back to their chosen gods, just as you claim for those who you say worship what you call lower manifestations. The notion that someone living in India is living in a JUDAIC world influenced by the torah is frankly silly.
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I'm not saying he's right, but the colonial influence in the Indian subcontinent is undeniable.
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Ok, but I can't give a more direct answer. I base that on observation, research and deduction. That's not to say there aren't some interesting and unique aspects in Vedic tradition.
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C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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Creation is not the Creator. My path is with the true God. I had my first clean OBE after third eye meditation. Experience.
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Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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This discussion reminds me of an Indian potato cult a few years back. Maybe they're still at it.


Vinod said the potato was discovered by volunteer Jasvanti Varia yesterday as she prepared to make a potato curry to help feed the worshippers.

Jasvanti, of Hamilton, Leicester, said: "I put my hand into a 25kg bag of potatoes and pulled this one out.

"I looked down and saw it resembled Lord Ganesh. I was not sure about what I was seeing so I asked other people in the kitchen and they agreed with me.


(...)


In May, more than 80 people visited a small temple at a catering company in Leicester, where an aubergine that resembled Lord Ganesh was discovered. Praful Visram, owner of 4 Seasons Catering, in Buckland Road, Northfields, placed the vegetable in a small temple he had at work for staff to pray in.


[link to www.leicestermercury.co.uk]
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C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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Creation is not the Creator. My path is with the true God. I had my first clean OBE after third eye meditation. Experience.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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third eye is neutral a knowledge belonging to man kind since the mutual father Noah (and Adam)

dont let him take you down the deceit full road where such neutral things supposedly prove that the bible is carrying the same message as pagan religions, which prevert the meaning of G-d.

Jacob's ladder (spine) at peney El, Pineal gland...
Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
Psalms 85:11

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There is no answer to the Jewish question.

Judaism is the solution, Judaism is the answer.
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C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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Creation is not the Creator. My path is with the true God. I had my first clean OBE after third eye meditation. Experience.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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Well, no matter how you slice it, it's an Indic contribution to the mix, so since you put it forth as some sort of validation for your experience, maybe you might want to rethink your earlier notion that the vedic stream was devoid of value.

And then there is the rest of what I said there. When you say you path is with the true God, are you saying that that God's name is Yahweh and Yahweh alone?
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Creation is not the Creator. My path is with the true God. I had my first clean OBE after third eye meditation. Experience.
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Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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Well, no matter how you slice it, it's an Indic contribution to the mix, so since you put it forth as some sort of validation for your experience, maybe you might want to rethink your earlier notion that the vedic stream was devoid of value.

And then there is the rest of what I said there. When you say you path is with the true God, are you saying that that God's name is Yahweh and Yahweh alone?
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no, the name is infallible, BUT the Torah is the only message he gave man kind.

and no... third eye is not an indian concept it is found all over the world.
Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
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Creation is not the Creator. My path is with the true God. I had my first clean OBE after third eye meditation. Experience.
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Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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third eye is neutral a knowledge belonging to man kind since the mutual father Noah (and Adam)

dont let him take you down the deceit full road where such neutral things supposedly prove that the bible is carrying the same message as pagan religions, which prevert the meaning of G-d.

Jacob's ladder (spine) at peney El, Pineal gland...
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Please doc, you can't claim it's neutral and then claim that your tradition's got the only ticket to the dance. This bit about Noah being this or that is just your take on the game. The Indic tradition has it's own take and their development predates yours by a long way. And for those who accuse you guys of perverting "true" Judaism with all that babylonian kabbalah crap, well, the winds came out of the east long before you guys were even a people by your own tale.
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Creation is not the Creator. My path is with the true God. I had my first clean OBE after third eye meditation. Experience.
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Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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third eye is neutral a knowledge belonging to man kind since the mutual father Noah (and Adam)

dont let him take you down the deceit full road where such neutral things supposedly prove that the bible is carrying the same message as pagan religions, which prevert the meaning of G-d.

Jacob's ladder (spine) at peney El, Pineal gland...
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


I'm not easily swayed. Either direction. I know from experience there's a significance to both the spine and pineal gland. Especially when it comes to OBE:s/astral traveling. Maybe certain meditation practises effect the synthesization of melatonin or something?! I don't dabble with that anymore anyway, at least not when I can control it. I had a lot of entities around me then too, and I couldn't control the process.
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Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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third eye is neutral a knowledge belonging to man kind since the mutual father Noah (and Adam)

dont let him take you down the deceit full road where such neutral things supposedly prove that the bible is carrying the same message as pagan religions, which prevert the meaning of G-d.

Jacob's ladder (spine) at peney El, Pineal gland...
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


Please doc, you can't claim it's neutral and then claim that your tradition's got the only ticket to the dance. This bit about Noah being this or that is just your take on the game. The Indic tradition has it's own take and their development predates yours by a long way. And for those who accuse you guys of perverting "true" Judaism with all that babylonian kabbalah crap, well, the winds came out of the east long before you guys were even a people by your own tale.
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third eye is not the message of the Torah, because thats what you are trying to say.

anyway... your initial claim was that indic traditions are monotheistic, well you were shown they are not, and now you go into this futile third eye Hebraic or indic discussion because you have nothing to say about the initial claim.

so... recognize your error, and drop it.
Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
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Judaism is the solution, Judaism is the answer.
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Creation is not the Creator. My path is with the true God. I had my first clean OBE after third eye meditation. Experience.
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Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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Well, no matter how you slice it, it's an Indic contribution to the mix, so since you put it forth as some sort of validation for your experience, maybe you might want to rethink your earlier notion that the vedic stream was devoid of value.

And then there is the rest of what I said there. When you say you path is with the true God, are you saying that that God's name is Yahweh and Yahweh alone?
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I never said it was devoid of value, I said it was devoid of purity. It is. I had a point of mentioning that particular experience too.

Yes, that is the true God. But I don't use that name.
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Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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Well, no matter how you slice it, it's an Indic contribution to the mix, so since you put it forth as some sort of validation for your experience, maybe you might want to rethink your earlier notion that the vedic stream was devoid of value.

And then there is the rest of what I said there. When you say you path is with the true God, are you saying that that God's name is Yahweh and Yahweh alone?
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no, the name is infallible, BUT the Torah is the only message he gave man kind.

and no... third eye is not an indian concept it is found all over the world.
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No, doc. The torah isn't the only message. That dogmatic horseshit is just that--horseshit. If you think the system of which the third eye is but a part is found all over the world, well, it is now. But that's because it traveled out to the rest of asia when buddhism got up and left home while taking the earlier yogic system with it and then the next big wave came when it flowered after those colonialists mono cited (as support for your inane idea that the yogis got what they did from the torah) saw it as far deeper than that torah tale and brought it back to europe in the 18th and 19th century and again when the wave of yogis and buddhists started the reverse wave of cultural colonialism and went west.
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Third eye, eh? I don't suppose you think that is some kind of OT concept, do you? Still, if you are at all aware of advaita, you would know that such experiences, regardless of how profound, are ephemeral and not at all indicative of the highest truth, which sees no separation of creator and creation, God being indivisible, beyond all name and form.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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Well, no matter how you slice it, it's an Indic contribution to the mix, so since you put it forth as some sort of validation for your experience, maybe you might want to rethink your earlier notion that the vedic stream was devoid of value.

And then there is the rest of what I said there. When you say you path is with the true God, are you saying that that God's name is Yahweh and Yahweh alone?
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I never said it was devoid of value, I said it was devoid of purity. It is. I had a point of mentioning that particular experience too.

Yes, that is the true God. But I don't use that name.
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Well, even the yogis who speak of Krishna or Shiva being the absolute understand that any name is just a convenient place holder for that which is ultimately beyond name and form and conception. So if you insist that you have the one true "right" name, or if you think it's what you call the God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac, well, that's all good if it works for you, but to insist it must work for all or is the only true path is unsupportable.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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Well, no matter how you slice it, it's an Indic contribution to the mix, so since you put it forth as some sort of validation for your experience, maybe you might want to rethink your earlier notion that the vedic stream was devoid of value.

And then there is the rest of what I said there. When you say you path is with the true God, are you saying that that God's name is Yahweh and Yahweh alone?
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no, the name is infallible, BUT the Torah is the only message he gave man kind.

and no... third eye is not an indian concept it is found all over the world.
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No, doc. The torah isn't the only message. That dogmatic horseshit is just that--horseshit. If you think the system of which the third eye is but a part is found all over the world, well, it is now. But that's because it traveled out to the rest of asia when buddhism got up and left home while taking the earlier yogic system with it and then the next big wave came when it flowered after those colonialists mono cited (as support for your inane idea that the yogis got what they did from the torah) saw it as far deeper than that torah tale and brought it back to europe in the 18th and 19th century and again when the wave of yogis and buddhists started the reverse wave of cultural colonialism and went west.
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first claim... thats your opinion, and it obviously stems out of "butthurt"

second claim, well third eye concept is also found in ancient egypt and ancient sumer.
well if it travelled from any one spot on earth... well that is ofcourse, babylon the first human civilization.

why do you think linguistists talk about a super language called "indo european" guess whats between india and europe... Mesopotamia
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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Well, no matter how you slice it, it's an Indic contribution to the mix, so since you put it forth as some sort of validation for your experience, maybe you might want to rethink your earlier notion that the vedic stream was devoid of value.

And then there is the rest of what I said there. When you say you path is with the true God, are you saying that that God's name is Yahweh and Yahweh alone?
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no, the name is infallible, BUT the Torah is the only message he gave man kind.

and no... third eye is not an indian concept it is found all over the world.
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No, doc. The torah isn't the only message. That dogmatic horseshit is just that--horseshit. If you think the system of which the third eye is but a part is found all over the world, well, it is now. But that's because it traveled out to the rest of asia when buddhism got up and left home while taking the earlier yogic system with it and then the next big wave came when it flowered after those colonialists mono cited (as support for your inane idea that the yogis got what they did from the torah) saw it as far deeper than that torah tale and brought it back to europe in the 18th and 19th century and again when the wave of yogis and buddhists started the reverse wave of cultural colonialism and went west.
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Wouldn't that have more to do with Western orientalists than proselytizing yogis?
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
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Well, no matter how you slice it, it's an Indic contribution to the mix, so since you put it forth as some sort of validation for your experience, maybe you might want to rethink your earlier notion that the vedic stream was devoid of value.

And then there is the rest of what I said there. When you say you path is with the true God, are you saying that that God's name is Yahweh and Yahweh alone?
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I never said it was devoid of value, I said it was devoid of purity. It is. I had a point of mentioning that particular experience too.

Yes, that is the true God. But I don't use that name.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Well, even the yogis who speak of Krishna or Shiva being the absolute understand that any name is just a convenient place holder for that which is ultimately beyond name and form and conception. So if you insist that you have the one true "right" name, or if you think it's what you call the God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac, well, that's all good if it works for you, but to insist it must work for all or is the only true path is unsupportable.
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one the infallible name and its holiness becomes a pantheon of pagan gods... thats a problem that is not supported by nature which would result in the collapse of such a civilization.

and thats really the unique message of Torah, ONE G-d with none besides him.

and now all other pagan religions are starting to say the same thing by reverse engineering their shit and saying it is better than Judaism and Judaism borrowed from them.
that is ofcourse... horse crap.
but you are too butthurt to admit that.
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Rome did not invent the trinity. The Trinity is one. You may not understand the concept of the 3 personalities or 3 person belief, but it is contain with in Old and New testament scriptures and they serve as a witness to the Trinity.

Not only did early New testament believers believe in the Trinity, but Jews during the time of Jesus and before, believed in the concept of the Trinity. They just did not call it the Trinity; Jewish minds may have thought of it as the 3 powers.

Just because you disagree with ANE linguistics specialists, historical documents and OT/NT writings; does not make your assertions correct.

The Christian mind did not base the Trinity on pagan beliefs, they based it on the inspired Word received to them and to the best of their limited abilities, described what they witnessed.

What mind can conceive the greatness of YHWH? We do our best with our limited knowledge capacity.

I will reiterate the triple point of a substance. It is a thermal dynamic property whereby a substance can exist as a solid, liquid and Gas, simultaneously. I believe it is the closest explanation of the concept of the Trinity? One substance in 3 states, simultaneously.
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What does all this stuff about neo-pagans have to do with advaita?
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since you are promoting this hindu crap... you are a neo pagan who thinks we cant see that you are a neo pagan who has been literally brain cleansed by Judaism.

now you try to sell hinduism as if its monotheism... but its not.
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I'm not promoting "hindu crap," doc, and I'm not a neo-anything. Your delusions of Judeo-supremacy are what just that, but the idea that you guys have some kind of corner on monotheism is silly. Hell, for all the admonitions over and over throughout your book, your folk still strayed again and again, running back to their chosen gods, just as you claim for those who you say worship what you call lower manifestations. The notion that someone living in India is living in a JUDAIC world influenced by the torah is frankly silly.
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I'm not saying he's right, but the colonial influence in the Indian subcontinent is undeniable.
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That influence cut both ways, as I mentioned. And the systems which deal with the chakras, of which the ajna, or third eye, is only one, were developed thousands of years before the colonial period.
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No I don't, but I'm not talking about last week either.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Well, no matter how you slice it, it's an Indic contribution to the mix, so since you put it forth as some sort of validation for your experience, maybe you might want to rethink your earlier notion that the vedic stream was devoid of value.

And then there is the rest of what I said there. When you say you path is with the true God, are you saying that that God's name is Yahweh and Yahweh alone?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72764350


I never said it was devoid of value, I said it was devoid of purity. It is. I had a point of mentioning that particular experience too.

Yes, that is the true God. But I don't use that name.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Well, even the yogis who speak of Krishna or Shiva being the absolute understand that any name is just a convenient place holder for that which is ultimately beyond name and form and conception. So if you insist that you have the one true "right" name, or if you think it's what you call the God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac, well, that's all good if it works for you, but to insist it must work for all or is the only true path is unsupportable.
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Then yogis don't understand the intrinsic virtue of undefiled monotheism. And I'm not insisting anything, but you're doing a whole lot of projecting and straw-manning. Why are you inferring third party opinions anyway?
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since you are promoting this hindu crap... you are a neo pagan who thinks we cant see that you are a neo pagan who has been literally brain cleansed by Judaism.

now you try to sell hinduism as if its monotheism... but its not.
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I'm not promoting "hindu crap," doc, and I'm not a neo-anything. Your delusions of Judeo-supremacy are what just that, but the idea that you guys have some kind of corner on monotheism is silly. Hell, for all the admonitions over and over throughout your book, your folk still strayed again and again, running back to their chosen gods, just as you claim for those who you say worship what you call lower manifestations. The notion that someone living in India is living in a JUDAIC world influenced by the torah is frankly silly.
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I'm not saying he's right, but the colonial influence in the Indian subcontinent is undeniable.
 Quoting: Monotheism


That influence cut both ways, as I mentioned. And the systems which deal with the chakras, of which the ajna, or third eye, is only one, were developed thousands of years before the colonial period.
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these systems are found in meso america ancient egypt and sumer.

you cant claim the source is india, as I said the source is the human body - man kind, which is why such systems developed all around the world separate of each other.

which makes your argument (trying to claim the Torah is not unique by exhibiting the neutral parts of it) moot.

these neutral parts, are not the message of Torah anyway.
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since you are promoting this hindu crap... you are a neo pagan who thinks we cant see that you are a neo pagan who has been literally brain cleansed by Judaism.

now you try to sell hinduism as if its monotheism... but its not.
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I'm not promoting "hindu crap," doc, and I'm not a neo-anything. Your delusions of Judeo-supremacy are what just that, but the idea that you guys have some kind of corner on monotheism is silly. Hell, for all the admonitions over and over throughout your book, your folk still strayed again and again, running back to their chosen gods, just as you claim for those who you say worship what you call lower manifestations. The notion that someone living in India is living in a JUDAIC world influenced by the torah is frankly silly.
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I'm not saying he's right, but the colonial influence in the Indian subcontinent is undeniable.
 Quoting: Monotheism


That influence cut both ways, as I mentioned. And the systems which deal with the chakras, of which the ajna, or third eye, is only one, were developed thousands of years before the colonial period.
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That wasn't the point. You semmingly objected Hebraic influence in India. I simply pointed out the undeniable colonial influence in the Indian subcontinent and its legal and political system.
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Rome did not invent the trinity. The Trinity is one. You may not understand the concept of the 3 personalities or 3 person belief, but it is contain with in Old and New testament scriptures and they serve as a witness to the Trinity.

Not only did early New testament believers believe in the Trinity, but Jews during the time of Jesus and before, believed in the concept of the Trinity. They just did not call it the Trinity; Jewish minds may have thought of it as the 3 powers.

Just because you disagree with ANE linguistics specialists, historical documents and OT/NT writings; does not make your assertions correct.

The Christian mind did not base the Trinity on pagan beliefs, they based it on the inspired Word received to them and to the best of their limited abilities, described what they witnessed.

What mind can conceive the greatness of YHWH? We do our best with our limited knowledge capacity.

I will reiterate the triple point of a substance. It is a thermal dynamic property whereby a substance can exist as a solid, liquid and Gas, simultaneously. I believe it is the closest explanation of the concept of the Trinity? One substance in 3 states, simultaneously.
 Quoting: Unchained


Yes, Rome invented the trinity. It was enforced via secular law in the Edict of Thessalonica, and is defined still to this day in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed defining the consubstantial trinity and the Chalcedonian Creed defining Christ's nature and hypostic, with concepts adopted from Stoicism, Neoplatonism and Gnosticism.
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