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The Christian trinity is an idol.

 
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LOL OP: Many pages of opinion. I agree AN IDOL IT IS

A fabricated composite presented to the public for control.

A breaking of the first commandment.
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It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
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The idea that you fetishize this God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as being the only true expression of God is ultimately just as much an idol as the trinity. That you are so hung up on this while claiming not to be a jew, but never ever saying what you are is kinda odd. Regardless, ALL conceptions fall short of God, just as he is beyond all name and form.
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What "are" you? What is your label?
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Or maybe labels are only for narrow-minded dogmatists?

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I found the quote from Theophilus:
Theophilus explains the Trinity as follows:
In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity, of God, and His Word, and His wisdom. And the fourth is the type of man, who needs light, that so there may be God, the Word, wisdom, man.
 Theophilus
Since Theophilus died in 183-185 AD. In The "Apology to Autolycus" many believe the writing was in between 169 and 183 AD (not 150-160 AD, I guess, but I could have sworn I read that some where). In addition, I believe he was taught this concept and probably was not the first to use the word. He was explaining the Trinity to a pagan so the pagan would not be confused about the concept of the Trinity.

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So, if you already knew this, I am not sure where you get Rome invented the "Trinity"?
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Theophilus was an Antiochian bishop, why would I care about what a secodn century bishop of the Roman empire has to say? And he used the word to describe the relationship between God and His word and knowledge, and not even remotely in the sense of the systematic trinity that was yet to be invented.

And He is without beginning, since He is unbegotten; and He is unchangeable, because He is immortal. And he is called God... He is Lord, because He rules over the universe, Father, because He is before all things, Fashioner and Maker, because He is Creator and Maker of the cosmos, the Highest, because of His being above all, and Almighty, because He Himself rules and embraces all. For the heights of heaven, and the depths of the abysses, and the ends of the earth, are in His hand, and there is no place of His rest. For the heavens are His work, the earth is His creation, the sea is His handiwork, man is His formation and His image; sun, moon, and stars are His elements, made for signs, and seasons, and days, and years, that they may serve and be servants to humanity, and all things God has made out of things that were not into things that are, in order that through His works His greatness may be known and understood. (To Autolycus, I, 4)

No trinity there, as you can see.

And even if Theophilus invented the trinity - which he didn't - you would only prove my point. He was a part of the bishopry of the Roman empire.

Besides, the first to invent the idea of God existing in three hyposteses was Valentinus, a Gnostic heresiarch.
 Quoting: Monotheism

So, was Arianism also created by the Roman Empire? That is your logic. But, why stop there? Trace the history of the Roman Empire to the Greeks, the Greeks to the Egyptians, the Egyptians to the Phoenicians, the Phoenicians to the Bulls of Bashann, to the Tower of Babel, to the intermingling of the Sons of God with woman, to the serpent in the garden...and beyond.
Concerning Theophilus and your comment above, really? I revealed to you Theophilus believed in the Trinity, yet you back away again. You believe that Rome was responsible for his belief? Do you know his history with Marcus Aurelius and his subordinates towards Christians?
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No, Theophilus did not believe in the trinity, the trinity wasn't even invented yet. He was using the word trias, and in a whole nother sense then in regards to a systematic trinity. As you see, he makes no mention of the holy spirit but knowledge, and believed in the supremacy of the Father. And there's no mention of any ousia or hypostases either.

It doesn't matter whan Roman bishop thinks anyway. That's the point. The trinity is a perverse invention of Roman emperors, the papacy and the Roman bishopry (to which Theophilus belonged). Antioch, like Alexandria, Constantinople and Rome, was a major centre and episcopal see of the Roman church.
 Quoting: Monotheism

"In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity, of God, and His Word, and His wisdom".-Theophilus
Wisdom - Sophia
Word - Logos
God - Theos

The concept of the Trinity was there despite your disagreement.

Question: So, what would be the perfect image of God (YHWH)?
Genesis 1:27 ESV
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
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Well, even the yogis who speak of Krishna or Shiva being the absolute understand that any name is just a convenient place holder for that which is ultimately beyond name and form and conception. So if you insist that you have the one true "right" name, or if you think it's what you call the God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac, well, that's all good if it works for you, but to insist it must work for all or is the only true path is unsupportable.
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one the infallible name and its holiness becomes a pantheon of pagan gods... thats a problem that is not supported by nature which would result in the collapse of such a civilization.

and thats really the unique message of Torah, ONE G-d with none besides him.

and now all other pagan religions are starting to say the same thing by reverse engineering their shit and saying it is better than Judaism and Judaism borrowed from them.
that is ofcourse... horse crap.
but you are too butthurt to admit that.
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I'm not the butthurt one, doc. You have this pathological need to see yourself and your folk as superior in all things and it's kinda sad, to tell you the truth. Look at your bit about the collapse of a civilization. Wtf is that about? Who the are you guys to talk about civilizations? You never even had a civilization to collapse, but are a tiny tribe that has been bounced around from civilization to civilization always under someone's thumb or heel, whether it was Egypt, Babylon, Greece, or Rome. And yet you think you guys are gonna bring torah to the world to save it and everybody is going to dance to Yahweh's tune. And yet, even there, it all has to come by subterfuge and deceit.
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subterfuge a deciet? I honestly thought you were better than this.

and now I am sure you are butthurt, because it is an Hebraic world you are living in, not whatever is your own cultural backround.
I am not sorry that Hebrewism is wining despite you being butthurt.

and no, we are not successful because we are very good, we are actually not so good, as is really obvious. we are successful because the Torah is true.

so ofcourse other races like you... are butthurt and you constantly throw these lies at us trying to stop us... not going to happen

and you know whats funny? it is obvious the butthurt comes from the fact it is Hebrewism and not your own culture that is dominating, and the funny part is that we are winning so hard that you are not even trying to use only your culture agaisnt us, but other cultures, as if such tiny tribe is so powerful for one culture to take on alone, but now the entire cultures and histories of the world need to be recruited.

as nixon said, aliens would cause humanity to unite lol.
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No, doc, you didn't think I was better than anything. You just got done a few posts ago telling me what a deceitful liar I was and would have probably still be singing that tune if I hadn't pulled up your words about profusely apologizing to me for your last spate of such shit. It's what you do, and you aim it at anyone who goes against your dogmatic slant.

You go on about Hewbrewism winning and all this. Winning what? I don't even know what that means. I don't relate to the world that way, so it doesn't make any sense to me. I know there are judaic roots in the judeo christian basis of civilization, but it's not like they are the only roots we have. Greco-roman roots are equally foundational and there are cross currents from other strains east and west.

Whatever you are on about isn't tracking with me at all. I don't even know what it means to say that you are wrong because I don't even know what you mean when you say hebrewism is dominating the world. The only thing I could come up with is what folks say about the banksters and nwo stuff, and I already know you are pinning that on being made a scapegoat by the jesuits.

This idea of world domination under any banner simply makes no sense to me. It's like dominating a puppet show. What's the point? Seriously. If you could just explain what all this effort goes to and why, maybe I could grok it, but I just don't get it.
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Let's try this again since we are slightly deviating.
"It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol."
-Mono
Question: So, what would be the perfect image of God (YHWH)?
Genesis 1:27 ESV
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.

What does image mean to you?
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Sorry, doc. They may express their worship as they will, but they don't recognize in the end there is One. They recognize that upfront. Like I said, you guys didn't come up with anything first.
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"they may express their worship as they will"

that is you basically saying I am right you are wrong because you dont understand what Judaic monotheism is.

and now thanks to Judaism humanity has learned (still some work remaining) that it is only that upfront understanding of THE ONE that is to be worshipped and deified... not stars not trees not rivers and not monkeys.

so, please show me the religion the predates us that carries the same message

all you did was showing you dont understand what monotheism is.

believing that there is a ONE and then lower dualism which is worshipped and then a plathora of gods who are worhispped and then HUMAN TYRANTS who are worshipped and then divine states who are worshipped... thats not monotheism, thats paganism.

it is Judaism and our friends among the nations who have taught the world that only THE ONE is to be worshipped and considered divine.

so imagine a world without Judaism... imagine your wife taken by the king who is a god and deflowered in the ancient rite of prima nocta.
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None of that is what I am talking about, doc. There is only the One. Hinduism understand that quite well, even there are multitudinous expressions of it. Hell, they take it a step beyond you guys because you trip all over the idea that the creator and created and never the twain shall meet while they know that there is only the One. Period. And ultimately they don't worship it, the realize they are one with it because everything is one with it because It is all there is and the rest is a show of light and shadow, an illusion.
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and then they go into the temples and worship monkeys and rivers and they claim their king is god.

yeah... but you ignore reality just to carry with your stupid point.
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Doc, your one trick pony is not making any hay in this argument. You want to take the lowest common denominator you know you guys don't fare any better. But if you want to claim your highest as the bar, you will have to accept the other side's highest as well. If not, then all those folks who you claim were infected by paganism are your standard bearers and your whole argument hits the curb with a clank.
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The early fathers of Christianity openly wrote about the trinity in the first few centuries. You're full of it OP. You delete posts that disprove your theories and ban people from your threads. Try being honest with yourself and admitting you're completely wrong about this.
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It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
 Quoting: Monotheism


The idea that you fetishize this God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as being the only true expression of God is ultimately just as much an idol as the trinity. That you are so hung up on this while claiming not to be a jew, but never ever saying what you are is kinda odd. Regardless, ALL conceptions fall short of God, just as he is beyond all name and form.
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What "are" you? What is your label?
 Quoting: Monotheism


I am.

The rest is ephemeral and insubstantial. But I am not demanding everyone needs to high to a given path or lose out like you are. Yet you seem to be flying under someone else's banner, if you claim that only the God of the Jews is valid and you are not even a Jew. There's something, uh, not quite kosher about that.

That guy who believes wholeheartedly about the nicene creed and harmonizes his actions accordingly will be just fine.
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one the infallible name and its holiness becomes a pantheon of pagan gods... thats a problem that is not supported by nature which would result in the collapse of such a civilization.

and thats really the unique message of Torah, ONE G-d with none besides him.

and now all other pagan religions are starting to say the same thing by reverse engineering their shit and saying it is better than Judaism and Judaism borrowed from them.
that is ofcourse... horse crap.
but you are too butthurt to admit that.
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


I'm not the butthurt one, doc. You have this pathological need to see yourself and your folk as superior in all things and it's kinda sad, to tell you the truth. Look at your bit about the collapse of a civilization. Wtf is that about? Who the are you guys to talk about civilizations? You never even had a civilization to collapse, but are a tiny tribe that has been bounced around from civilization to civilization always under someone's thumb or heel, whether it was Egypt, Babylon, Greece, or Rome. And yet you think you guys are gonna bring torah to the world to save it and everybody is going to dance to Yahweh's tune. And yet, even there, it all has to come by subterfuge and deceit.
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subterfuge a deciet? I honestly thought you were better than this.

and now I am sure you are butthurt, because it is an Hebraic world you are living in, not whatever is your own cultural backround.
I am not sorry that Hebrewism is wining despite you being butthurt.

and no, we are not successful because we are very good, we are actually not so good, as is really obvious. we are successful because the Torah is true.

so ofcourse other races like you... are butthurt and you constantly throw these lies at us trying to stop us... not going to happen

and you know whats funny? it is obvious the butthurt comes from the fact it is Hebrewism and not your own culture that is dominating, and the funny part is that we are winning so hard that you are not even trying to use only your culture agaisnt us, but other cultures, as if such tiny tribe is so powerful for one culture to take on alone, but now the entire cultures and histories of the world need to be recruited.

as nixon said, aliens would cause humanity to unite lol.
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


No, doc, you didn't think I was better than anything. You just got done a few posts ago telling me what a deceitful liar I was and would have probably still be singing that tune if I hadn't pulled up your words about profusely apologizing to me for your last spate of such shit. It's what you do, and you aim it at anyone who goes against your dogmatic slant.

You go on about Hewbrewism winning and all this. Winning what? I don't even know what that means. I don't relate to the world that way, so it doesn't make any sense to me. I know there are judaic roots in the judeo christian basis of civilization, but it's not like they are the only roots we have. Greco-roman roots are equally foundational and there are cross currents from other strains east and west.

Whatever you are on about isn't tracking with me at all. I don't even know what it means to say that you are wrong because I don't even know what you mean when you say hebrewism is dominating the world. The only thing I could come up with is what folks say about the banksters and nwo stuff, and I already know you are pinning that on being made a scapegoat by the jesuits.

This idea of world domination under any banner simply makes no sense to me. It's like dominating a puppet show. What's the point? Seriously. If you could just explain what all this effort goes to and why, maybe I could grok it, but I just don't get it.
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I got a little too carried away by your comment about "subterfuge and deceit"
nvm forget it.

anyway, heres the message of Torah, "the supreme infallibe one? yeah that one... worship only that one, no other thing beneath him is divine"

and that idea dominates the world, there is no religion predating Judaism that carries that idea... all other religions were there to support the divinity claim of the monarch and state which resulted in the population being slaves.

and if you cant see that this is the essence of Judaim, exodus out of pagan egypt to freedom, and now exodus out of papal rome and their nwo to freedom... then I have nothing more to add.
Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
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It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
 Quoting: Monotheism


The idea that you fetishize this God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as being the only true expression of God is ultimately just as much an idol as the trinity. That you are so hung up on this while claiming not to be a jew, but never ever saying what you are is kinda odd. Regardless, ALL conceptions fall short of God, just as he is beyond all name and form.
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What "are" you? What is your label?
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Or maybe labels are only for narrow-minded dogmatists?

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You mean labels like "the true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? You tell me. Are they only for narrow-minded dogmatists?
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"they may express their worship as they will"

that is you basically saying I am right you are wrong because you dont understand what Judaic monotheism is.

and now thanks to Judaism humanity has learned (still some work remaining) that it is only that upfront understanding of THE ONE that is to be worshipped and deified... not stars not trees not rivers and not monkeys.

so, please show me the religion the predates us that carries the same message

all you did was showing you dont understand what monotheism is.

believing that there is a ONE and then lower dualism which is worshipped and then a plathora of gods who are worhispped and then HUMAN TYRANTS who are worshipped and then divine states who are worshipped... thats not monotheism, thats paganism.

it is Judaism and our friends among the nations who have taught the world that only THE ONE is to be worshipped and considered divine.

so imagine a world without Judaism... imagine your wife taken by the king who is a god and deflowered in the ancient rite of prima nocta.
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None of that is what I am talking about, doc. There is only the One. Hinduism understand that quite well, even there are multitudinous expressions of it. Hell, they take it a step beyond you guys because you trip all over the idea that the creator and created and never the twain shall meet while they know that there is only the One. Period. And ultimately they don't worship it, the realize they are one with it because everything is one with it because It is all there is and the rest is a show of light and shadow, an illusion.
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and then they go into the temples and worship monkeys and rivers and they claim their king is god.

yeah... but you ignore reality just to carry with your stupid point.
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Doc, your one trick pony is not making any hay in this argument. You want to take the lowest common denominator you know you guys don't fare any better. But if you want to claim your highest as the bar, you will have to accept the other side's highest as well. If not, then all those folks who you claim were infected by paganism are your standard bearers and your whole argument hits the curb with a clank.
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this "titanic" shtick aint going to work this time around.

unlike Jews worshipping baal, wherein it can be shown Torah prescribed religion is distinct from canaanite baalism.

it is shown that quite clrealy that the worship of objects other than the one within those religions is engraved in their core and not something some of the adherents fell into.
Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
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There is no solution to the Jewish problem.
There is no answer to the Jewish question.

Judaism is the solution, Judaism is the answer.
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Theophilus was an Antiochian bishop, why would I care about what a secodn century bishop of the Roman empire has to say? And he used the word to describe the relationship between God and His word and knowledge, and not even remotely in the sense of the systematic trinity that was yet to be invented.

And He is without beginning, since He is unbegotten; and He is unchangeable, because He is immortal. And he is called God... He is Lord, because He rules over the universe, Father, because He is before all things, Fashioner and Maker, because He is Creator and Maker of the cosmos, the Highest, because of His being above all, and Almighty, because He Himself rules and embraces all. For the heights of heaven, and the depths of the abysses, and the ends of the earth, are in His hand, and there is no place of His rest. For the heavens are His work, the earth is His creation, the sea is His handiwork, man is His formation and His image; sun, moon, and stars are His elements, made for signs, and seasons, and days, and years, that they may serve and be servants to humanity, and all things God has made out of things that were not into things that are, in order that through His works His greatness may be known and understood. (To Autolycus, I, 4)

No trinity there, as you can see.

And even if Theophilus invented the trinity - which he didn't - you would only prove my point. He was a part of the bishopry of the Roman empire.

Besides, the first to invent the idea of God existing in three hyposteses was Valentinus, a Gnostic heresiarch.
 Quoting: Monotheism

So, was Arianism also created by the Roman Empire? That is your logic. But, why stop there? Trace the history of the Roman Empire to the Greeks, the Greeks to the Egyptians, the Egyptians to the Phoenicians, the Phoenicians to the Bulls of Bashann, to the Tower of Babel, to the intermingling of the Sons of God with woman, to the serpent in the garden...and beyond.
Concerning Theophilus and your comment above, really? I revealed to you Theophilus believed in the Trinity, yet you back away again. You believe that Rome was responsible for his belief? Do you know his history with Marcus Aurelius and his subordinates towards Christians?
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No, Theophilus did not believe in the trinity, the trinity wasn't even invented yet. He was using the word trias, and in a whole nother sense then in regards to a systematic trinity. As you see, he makes no mention of the holy spirit but knowledge, and believed in the supremacy of the Father. And there's no mention of any ousia or hypostases either.

It doesn't matter whan Roman bishop thinks anyway. That's the point. The trinity is a perverse invention of Roman emperors, the papacy and the Roman bishopry (to which Theophilus belonged). Antioch, like Alexandria, Constantinople and Rome, was a major centre and episcopal see of the Roman church.
 Quoting: Monotheism

"In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity, of God, and His Word, and His wisdom".-Theophilus
Wisdom - Sophia
Word - Logos
God - Theos

The concept of the Trinity was there despite your disagreement.

Question: So, what would be the perfect image of God (YHWH)?
Genesis 1:27 ESV
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
 Quoting: Unchained


Yes, Theophilus speaks of God, God's wisdom, God's word and man. That's what it says. There not a remote shred of the trinity there. Read it for yourself.

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What point are you even trying to make? This is a Roman bishop either way. There's no ousia there, there's no holy spirit. And in the trinity adopted two centuries after Theophilus, we see that the logos and wisdom (sophia/chokmah) are considered one and the same, namely Jesus.
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I'm not the butthurt one, doc. You have this pathological need to see yourself and your folk as superior in all things and it's kinda sad, to tell you the truth. Look at your bit about the collapse of a civilization. Wtf is that about? Who the are you guys to talk about civilizations? You never even had a civilization to collapse, but are a tiny tribe that has been bounced around from civilization to civilization always under someone's thumb or heel, whether it was Egypt, Babylon, Greece, or Rome. And yet you think you guys are gonna bring torah to the world to save it and everybody is going to dance to Yahweh's tune. And yet, even there, it all has to come by subterfuge and deceit.
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subterfuge a deciet? I honestly thought you were better than this.

and now I am sure you are butthurt, because it is an Hebraic world you are living in, not whatever is your own cultural backround.
I am not sorry that Hebrewism is wining despite you being butthurt.

and no, we are not successful because we are very good, we are actually not so good, as is really obvious. we are successful because the Torah is true.

so ofcourse other races like you... are butthurt and you constantly throw these lies at us trying to stop us... not going to happen

and you know whats funny? it is obvious the butthurt comes from the fact it is Hebrewism and not your own culture that is dominating, and the funny part is that we are winning so hard that you are not even trying to use only your culture agaisnt us, but other cultures, as if such tiny tribe is so powerful for one culture to take on alone, but now the entire cultures and histories of the world need to be recruited.

as nixon said, aliens would cause humanity to unite lol.
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No, doc, you didn't think I was better than anything. You just got done a few posts ago telling me what a deceitful liar I was and would have probably still be singing that tune if I hadn't pulled up your words about profusely apologizing to me for your last spate of such shit. It's what you do, and you aim it at anyone who goes against your dogmatic slant.

You go on about Hewbrewism winning and all this. Winning what? I don't even know what that means. I don't relate to the world that way, so it doesn't make any sense to me. I know there are judaic roots in the judeo christian basis of civilization, but it's not like they are the only roots we have. Greco-roman roots are equally foundational and there are cross currents from other strains east and west.

Whatever you are on about isn't tracking with me at all. I don't even know what it means to say that you are wrong because I don't even know what you mean when you say hebrewism is dominating the world. The only thing I could come up with is what folks say about the banksters and nwo stuff, and I already know you are pinning that on being made a scapegoat by the jesuits.

This idea of world domination under any banner simply makes no sense to me. It's like dominating a puppet show. What's the point? Seriously. If you could just explain what all this effort goes to and why, maybe I could grok it, but I just don't get it.
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I got a little too carried away by your comment about "subterfuge and deceit"
nvm forget it.

anyway, heres the message of Torah, "the supreme infallibe one? yeah that one... worship only that one, no other thing beneath him is divine"

and that idea dominates the world, there is no religion predating Judaism that carries that idea... all other religions were there to support the divinity claim of the monarch and state which resulted in the population being slaves.

and if you cant see that this is the essence of Judaim, exodus out of pagan egypt to freedom, and now exodus out of papal rome and their nwo to freedom... then I have nothing more to add.
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Doc, you told me you were waged in a war to bring down rome and christianity. How are you gonna do that without subterfuge and deceit? So don't trip over my saying back to you what you were saying.

As for the rest, it's a well-known idea in Indic circles that all worship ultimately goes to God, who sees it for what it is. That's a lot more refined than your version of all the huffing and puffing and blowing his chosen ones down because they got it wrong.
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The idea that you fetishize this God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob as being the only true expression of God is ultimately just as much an idol as the trinity. That you are so hung up on this while claiming not to be a jew, but never ever saying what you are is kinda odd. Regardless, ALL conceptions fall short of God, just as he is beyond all name and form.
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What "are" you? What is your label?
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Or maybe labels are only for narrow-minded dogmatists?

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You mean labels like "the true God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob? You tell me. Are they only for narrow-minded dogmatists?
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The irony. That's not a label, that's a specific non-label given to people that insist upon labels to define people's faith. Like you just now. Or maybe non-labels aren't for narrow-minded dogmatists either?
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subterfuge a deciet? I honestly thought you were better than this.

and now I am sure you are butthurt, because it is an Hebraic world you are living in, not whatever is your own cultural backround.
I am not sorry that Hebrewism is wining despite you being butthurt.

and no, we are not successful because we are very good, we are actually not so good, as is really obvious. we are successful because the Torah is true.

so ofcourse other races like you... are butthurt and you constantly throw these lies at us trying to stop us... not going to happen

and you know whats funny? it is obvious the butthurt comes from the fact it is Hebrewism and not your own culture that is dominating, and the funny part is that we are winning so hard that you are not even trying to use only your culture agaisnt us, but other cultures, as if such tiny tribe is so powerful for one culture to take on alone, but now the entire cultures and histories of the world need to be recruited.

as nixon said, aliens would cause humanity to unite lol.
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No, doc, you didn't think I was better than anything. You just got done a few posts ago telling me what a deceitful liar I was and would have probably still be singing that tune if I hadn't pulled up your words about profusely apologizing to me for your last spate of such shit. It's what you do, and you aim it at anyone who goes against your dogmatic slant.

You go on about Hewbrewism winning and all this. Winning what? I don't even know what that means. I don't relate to the world that way, so it doesn't make any sense to me. I know there are judaic roots in the judeo christian basis of civilization, but it's not like they are the only roots we have. Greco-roman roots are equally foundational and there are cross currents from other strains east and west.

Whatever you are on about isn't tracking with me at all. I don't even know what it means to say that you are wrong because I don't even know what you mean when you say hebrewism is dominating the world. The only thing I could come up with is what folks say about the banksters and nwo stuff, and I already know you are pinning that on being made a scapegoat by the jesuits.

This idea of world domination under any banner simply makes no sense to me. It's like dominating a puppet show. What's the point? Seriously. If you could just explain what all this effort goes to and why, maybe I could grok it, but I just don't get it.
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I got a little too carried away by your comment about "subterfuge and deceit"
nvm forget it.

anyway, heres the message of Torah, "the supreme infallibe one? yeah that one... worship only that one, no other thing beneath him is divine"

and that idea dominates the world, there is no religion predating Judaism that carries that idea... all other religions were there to support the divinity claim of the monarch and state which resulted in the population being slaves.

and if you cant see that this is the essence of Judaim, exodus out of pagan egypt to freedom, and now exodus out of papal rome and their nwo to freedom... then I have nothing more to add.
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Doc, you told me you were waged in a war to bring down rome and christianity. How are you gonna do that without subterfuge and deceit? So don't trip over my saying back to you what you were saying.

As for the rest, it's a well-known idea in Indic circles that all worship ultimately goes to God, who sees it for what it is. That's a lot more refined than your version of all the huffing and puffing and blowing his chosen ones down because they got it wrong.
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if its done through subterfuge and deceit then it aint going to work... we are doing it by simply teaching Judaism to Jews and having those Jews talk about it, and this talking spreads to the none Jewish world and becomes a meme and before you know it you have a truth movement working to take down the roman establishment while on the way debating bible and whether its Jews who are behind it all.
really... if you cant see this sort of Judaic influence is over the world is supernatural that has forced empires to bend and step down and change to fit the demands of their people slowly converting from the absolute divine monarchs despots into a democarcy of the people... really if you dont see the supernatural behind this, the impossibility that it is simply natural... well, just well.

bow down to a cow and think it goes to god... if you dont see that as wrong, then just well.
maybe when again you are forced to bow down to a demigod king who takes your wife for prima nocta you will see it is not so good to bow down to a cow
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There is no answer to the Jewish question.

Judaism is the solution, Judaism is the answer.
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So, was Arianism also created by the Roman Empire? That is your logic. But, why stop there? Trace the history of the Roman Empire to the Greeks, the Greeks to the Egyptians, the Egyptians to the Phoenicians, the Phoenicians to the Bulls of Bashann, to the Tower of Babel, to the intermingling of the Sons of God with woman, to the serpent in the garden...and beyond.
Concerning Theophilus and your comment above, really? I revealed to you Theophilus believed in the Trinity, yet you back away again. You believe that Rome was responsible for his belief? Do you know his history with Marcus Aurelius and his subordinates towards Christians?
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No, Theophilus did not believe in the trinity, the trinity wasn't even invented yet. He was using the word trias, and in a whole nother sense then in regards to a systematic trinity. As you see, he makes no mention of the holy spirit but knowledge, and believed in the supremacy of the Father. And there's no mention of any ousia or hypostases either.

It doesn't matter whan Roman bishop thinks anyway. That's the point. The trinity is a perverse invention of Roman emperors, the papacy and the Roman bishopry (to which Theophilus belonged). Antioch, like Alexandria, Constantinople and Rome, was a major centre and episcopal see of the Roman church.
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"In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity, of God, and His Word, and His wisdom".-Theophilus
Wisdom - Sophia
Word - Logos
God - Theos

The concept of the Trinity was there despite your disagreement.

Question: So, what would be the perfect image of God (YHWH)?
Genesis 1:27 ESV
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
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Yes, Theophilus speaks of God, God's wisdom, God's word and man. That's what it says. There not a remote shred of the trinity there. Read it for yourself.

[link to www.newadvent.org]

What point are you even trying to make? This is a Roman bishop either way. There's no ousia there, there's no holy spirit. And in the trinity adopted two centuries after Theophilus, we see that the logos and wisdom (sophia/chokmah) are considered one and the same, namely Jesus.
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My point is Theophilus is explaining the Trinity to a pagan. You chose another resource that is not addressing the issue of the referenced letter to a pagan. Just as you accuse Trinity believing Christians as being pagan, so Theophilus was addressing the issue around 160 - 183 AD and in that letter he supports the idea of the Trinity.
I asked a question concerning "image", it pertains to a quote from you. It's a few posts back. Remember you are the accuser, not I.
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No, Theophilus did not believe in the trinity, the trinity wasn't even invented yet. He was using the word trias, and in a whole nother sense then in regards to a systematic trinity. As you see, he makes no mention of the holy spirit but knowledge, and believed in the supremacy of the Father. And there's no mention of any ousia or hypostases either.

It doesn't matter whan Roman bishop thinks anyway. That's the point. The trinity is a perverse invention of Roman emperors, the papacy and the Roman bishopry (to which Theophilus belonged). Antioch, like Alexandria, Constantinople and Rome, was a major centre and episcopal see of the Roman church.
 Quoting: Monotheism

"In like manner also the three days which were before the luminaries, are types of the Trinity, of God, and His Word, and His wisdom".-Theophilus
Wisdom - Sophia
Word - Logos
God - Theos

The concept of the Trinity was there despite your disagreement.

Question: So, what would be the perfect image of God (YHWH)?
Genesis 1:27 ESV
So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
 Quoting: Unchained


Yes, Theophilus speaks of God, God's wisdom, God's word and man. That's what it says. There not a remote shred of the trinity there. Read it for yourself.

[link to www.newadvent.org]

What point are you even trying to make? This is a Roman bishop either way. There's no ousia there, there's no holy spirit. And in the trinity adopted two centuries after Theophilus, we see that the logos and wisdom (sophia/chokmah) are considered one and the same, namely Jesus.
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My point is Theophilus is explaining the Trinity to a pagan. You chose another resource that is not addressing the issue of the referenced letter to a pagan. Just as you accuse Trinity believing Christians as being pagan, so Theophilus was addressing the issue around 160 - 183 AD and in that letter he supports the idea of the Trinity.
I asked a question concerning "image", it pertains to a quote from you. It's a few posts back. Remember you are the accuser, not I.
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No, he's not. You're free to read the letter for yourself. Where's the trinity? Both the logos and sophia are Jesus according to trinitarian doctrine, so where's the third person of the trinity?
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Godhead.

Case closed.


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Godhead.

Case closed.


Dickless.
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You didn't even make an argument. Case was closed in the OP.
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Jesus' God wasn't a trinity. If your God is a trinity you don't even have the same God. How is that not rejection?
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Trinity? What's the fuss? That's a way for us to begin to see.

Try Infinity
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The Messiah is the destination. He is the way the truth and the life. Go to him.....only!
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dont reject Jesus won't reject you if you come to him.

Come to Jesus :)
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Amen and amen!
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How many dimensions are there?

How many is God in?


Why do you fight about three?
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Rome did not invent the trinity. The Trinity is one. You may not understand the concept of the 3 personalities or 3 person belief, but it is contain with in Old and New testament scriptures and they serve as a witness to the Trinity.

Not only did early New testament believers believe in the Trinity, but Jews during the time of Jesus and before, believed in the concept of the Trinity. They just did not call it the Trinity; Jewish minds may have thought of it as the 3 powers.

Just because you disagree with ANE linguistics specialists, historical documents and OT/NT writings; does not make your assertions correct.

The Christian mind did not base the Trinity on pagan beliefs, they based it on the inspired Word received to them and to the best of their limited abilities, described what they witnessed.

What mind can conceive the greatness of YHWH? We do our best with our limited knowledge capacity.

I will reiterate the triple point of a substance. It is a thermal dynamic property whereby a substance can exist as a solid, liquid and Gas, simultaneously. I believe it is the closest explanation of the concept of the Trinity? One substance in 3 states, simultaneously.
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Yes, Rome invented the trinity. It was enforced via secular law in the Edict of Thessalonica, and is defined still to this day in the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed defining the consubstantial trinity and the Chalcedonian Creed defining Christ's nature and hypostic, with concepts adopted from Stoicism, Neoplatonism and Gnosticism.
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The Jewish disciples believed in the God of Israel.

The Jewish disciples believed Jesus is God.

The Jewish disciples believed in the Spirit of God.

All those that followed thereafter and came to be called Christians believed in the God of Israel, believed Jesus is God and believed in the Spirit of God.

Rome had nothing to do with it.

There can be no honest argument.
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no, thats not part of that conclusion.
the agreement was over the time line (that neither of us, and that includes you, could prove which is right Jewish timeline or academic timeline [which I remind you, admits of being wrong itself]), not your butthurt pathetic attempts of reverse engineering Jewish history.

you ---> "oh Jews sinned and worshipped baal? thats because they always worshipped baal as part of their pantheon"
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and no, we are not successful because we are very good, we are actually not so good,
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Correct. It is good that you now recognize and admit that Jews are evil people too.
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No, Theophilus did not believe in the trinity, the trinity wasn't even invented yet...
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Yes, Rome invented the trinity...
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The Jewish disciples believed in the God of Israel.
The Jewish disciples believed Jesus is God.
The Jewish disciples believed in the Spirit of God.

All those that followed thereafter and came to be called Christians believed in the God of Israel, believed Jesus is God and believed in the Spirit of God.

Rome had nothing to do with it.

There can be no honest argument.

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It doesn't matter whan Roman bishop thinks anyway.
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Correct.

No man of Rome will be standing between me and Jesus Christ.

No man of Rome will be standing between you and Jesus Christ.

I believe in and need Jesus Christ.

I do not believe in and do not need the Men of Rome.

But this Truth does not matter to you.
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yeah... but you ignore reality just to carry with your stupid point.
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Do a good deed.

Try try try to post without being so venomous and nasty to your brothers.

Just your posts from this thread alone reflect and record a very mean heart.
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