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The Christian trinity is an idol.

 
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Nope.. it is Biblical.

To say Jesus is not God, is unbiblical and false teaching.
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It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
 Quoting: Monotheism


The blessed Trinity is no man-made doctrine or idol as you would propose.

This sacred mystery is revealed to us from heaven and through the body of Christ, His Church, the Catholic Church.

The Father glorifies the Son by the Holy Spirit

3 in 1
 Quoting: JohnPaul2


I think in a way OP is right, systematic theology hinges on the trinity, it's the 1 thing both protestants and catholics agree on.

There's simply no clear text to base this supposition, but it empowers the priestly class who wields your ignorance over your maturity as a Christian.
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It's not scriptural period. And it was never supposed to be. It's was conceived as a revelatory doctrine, hence this Catholic poster accurately stating "this sacred mystery is revealed to us from heaven and through (...) the Catholic Church".

Only historically and doctrinally ignorant Protestants with mommy (church) issues and an identity crisis, decieving themselves into thinking they're sola scripture, think it can be extrapolated from scripture. Which it of course can't.

Thread: Why do some Christians pretend to be sola scriptura when adhering to extrabiblical creeds and doctrines?
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Nope.. it is Biblical.

To say Jesus is not God, is unbiblical and false teaching.
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He explicitly denied it himself.

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As did Peter

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All of the following scriptures show Jesus being worshiped by various people while He was on earth:

1. Matthew 2:11 (Whole Chapter)
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

2. Matthew 8:2 (Whole Chapter)
And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

3. Matthew 9:18 (Whole Chapter)
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.

4. Matthew 14:33 (Whole Chapter)
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

5. Matthew 15:25 (Whole Chapter)
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

6. Matthew 18:26 (Whole Chapter)
The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying, Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all.

7. Matthew 28:9 (Whole Chapter)
And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him.

8. Matthew 28:17 (Whole Chapter)
And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

9. Mark 5:6 (Whole Chapter)
But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

10. Luke 24:52 (Whole Chapter)
And they worshipped him, and returned to Jerusalem with great joy:

11. John 9:38 (Whole Chapter)
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

The Watchtower has translated the above cited texts using the word “obeisance” in order to mitigate the damage to their failed “theology”. However there is one major problem. In all of these instances Jesus was never seen refusing the worship or correcting the worshiper. Now if He was just a man or an angel he would have been duty bound to correct those worshiping him. Yet there is no record of that ever happening. However there are two records of this same Greek word “proskuneo” being used where a servant of God was being worshiped erroneously. One was Peter and the other was an angel:

Acts 10:25-27:

25And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.

26But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man.

Revelation 19:10:

10 And I fell down before his feet to worship him. And he saith unto me, See thou do it not: I am a fellow-servant with thee and with thy brethren that hold the testimony of Jesus: worship God; for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

These references to worship where the one doing the worshiping was corrected both use the very same Greek word: “proskuneo” and therefore, in spite of the Watchtower’s vain attempts to pervert the word of God, the truth comes out to those who wish to read the scriptures in context with honest hearts and open minds. Jesus openly accepted worship from others. I believe, more so than anything else, that this was the reason why the Pharisees resented Him. He was cutting in on their action. The modern day Pharisee class (any authoritarian religion that seeks to control and manipulate their flock including the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society) also resents and seeks to root out and “kill” anyone threatening their status as the intercessor between the Great Crowd and God!
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When Jesus said "If you have seen me, you have seen God" he didn't mean that he was God.

He meant that God was inside of Him.

But God is a separate being and jesus is not God. Just like how a child is not his father, yet a child has part if his father inside him(DNA).
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
I know all about that filthy idol.
 Quoting: Monotheism

Do you call The Cross filthy?

Must we believe and agree with your disagreement and unbelief?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73062730


I have no power over you. If you choose to serve an idol over the true God it's up to you.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Are you a True Believer in God?


Why should we listen to you?
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
Nope.. it is Biblical.

To say Jesus is not God, is unbiblical and false teaching.
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He explicitly denied it himself.

Thread: Jesus denied being God

As did Peter

Thread: Peter, the only man commended for recognizing Jesus as Messiah...
 Quoting: Monotheism


False.

Why are you doing this?
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
All of the following scriptures show Jesus being worshiped by various people while He was on earth:


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He recieved proskyneo, Hebrew equivalent shachah,
which means they prostrated before him, which was done to people of stature and/or authority then. The same form of "worship" is given to king David, the elect, Moses' father in law, etc. The divine worship rendered to God alone is latreuo. Which of course trinity apologists won't tell you the liars they are.
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
How about neither? Keep your semitic "G-d".
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It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
 Quoting: Monotheism


True
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
Nope.. it is Biblical.

To say Jesus is not God, is unbiblical and false teaching.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73056244


He explicitly denied it himself.

Thread: Jesus denied being God

As did Peter

Thread: Peter, the only man commended for recognizing Jesus as Messiah...
 Quoting: Monotheism


False.

Why are you doing this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73062730


It's true, and you denying it won't make it otherwise. I do it because I don't want you, or anyone else, to be an idol worshipper on that terrible day we all give account to our Creator.
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
Nope.. it is Biblical.

To say Jesus is not God, is unbiblical and false teaching.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73056244


He explicitly denied it himself.

Thread: Jesus denied being God

As did Peter

Thread: Peter, the only man commended for recognizing Jesus as Messiah...
 Quoting: Monotheism


False.

Why are you doing this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73062730


It's true, and you denying it won't make it otherwise. I do it because I don't want you, or anyone else, to be an idol worshipper on that terrible day we all give account to our Creator.
 Quoting: Monotheism

I disagree with your opinion.

Why do you insist that your opinion is the true one?

You are your Authority.

Unless you have some reason to justify that you are the True Believer.

Me disagreeing with you is not proof that I am wrong with God.
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False.

Why are you doing this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73062730


It's true, and you denying it won't make it otherwise. I do it because I don't want you, or anyone else, to be an idol worshipper on that terrible day we all give account to our Creator.
 Quoting: Monotheism

I disagree with your opinion.

Why do you insist that your opinion is the true one?

You are your Authority.

Unless you have some reason to justify that you are the True Believer.

Me disagreeing with you is not proof that I am wrong with God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73062730


It's a fact not an opinion. And it's not about having regard for my non-existing authority, but for the eternal, unchangeable truth. And the truth will be made known, and the lie will be exposed once and for all.

And YHWH will be king over all the earth. On that day YHWH will be ONE and his name ONE. Zechariah 14:9

It's inevitable. God's day will come.
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
Now now, everyone.

This is what they created Henotheism for.

Play nice.

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Sit a spell.
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know what is worse?

what about the giant black mecca cube they all worship like mind controlled sheep and they don't even see it? crazy stuff.

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damned

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would you see a child doing that?

Be as young children.

Last Edited by New Heart on 09/25/2016 04:00 PM
Proverbs 17:13

Evil will never leave the house of one who pays back evil for good.
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this lead me to a time to kill, islam is a beautiful word isnt it
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dont worry i didnt kill anyone1dunno1
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False.

Why are you doing this?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73062730


It's true, and you denying it won't make it otherwise. I do it because I don't want you, or anyone else, to be an idol worshipper on that terrible day we all give account to our Creator.
 Quoting: Monotheism

I disagree with your opinion.

Why do you insist that your opinion is the true one?

You are your Authority.

Unless you have some reason to justify that you are the True Believer.

Me disagreeing with you is not proof that I am wrong with God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73062730


It's a fact not an opinion. And it's not about having regard for my non-existing authority, but for the eternal, unchangeable truth. And the truth will be made known, and the lie will be exposed once and for all.

And YHWH will be king over all the earth. On that day YHWH will be ONE and his name ONE. Zechariah 14:9

It's inevitable. God's day will come.
 Quoting: Monotheism




Yeshua HaMashiach




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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
 Quoting: Monotheism


The blessed Trinity is no man-made doctrine or idol as you would propose.

This sacred mystery is revealed to us from heaven and through the body of Christ, His Church, the Catholic Church.

The Father glorifies the Son by the Holy Spirit

3 in 1
 Quoting: JohnPaul2


It was enforced via secular, imperial law, before it was even adopted on the councils. A continuation of the imperial cult.

Thread: 27 February 380 AD; the single most important document in the history of Christianity, and perhaps even mankind.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Jesus gave the Cahtolic church the authority to decree such teachings.

He has been united to His church via the Holy Spirit ever since his ascension to heaven.

I care not of any man made teaching apart from the authority of Christ.
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
 Quoting: Monotheism


The blessed Trinity is no man-made doctrine or idol as you would propose.

This sacred mystery is revealed to us from heaven and through the body of Christ, His Church, the Catholic Church.

The Father glorifies the Son by the Holy Spirit

3 in 1
 Quoting: JohnPaul2


It was enforced via secular, imperial law, before it was even adopted on the councils. A continuation of the imperial cult.

Thread: 27 February 380 AD; the single most important document in the history of Christianity, and perhaps even mankind.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Jesus gave the Cahtolic church the authority to decree such teachings.

He has been united to His church via the Holy Spirit ever since his ascension to heaven.

I care not of any man made teaching apart from the authority of Christ.
 Quoting: JohnPaul2


No, it was decreed by emperor Theodosius before being adoped by the harlot church.
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Jesus gave the Cahtolic church the authority to decree such teachings.
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According to Catholics to justify themselves.
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It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
 Quoting: Monotheism


The blessed Trinity is no man-made doctrine or idol as you would propose.

This sacred mystery is revealed to us from heaven and through the body of Christ, His Church, the Catholic Church.

The Father glorifies the Son by the Holy Spirit

3 in 1
 Quoting: JohnPaul2


I think in a way OP is right, systematic theology hinges on the trinity, it's the 1 thing both protestants and catholics agree on.

There's simply no clear text to base this supposition, but it empowers the priestly class who wields your ignorance over your maturity as a Christian.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30194358


Your point sits on the false understanding of "sola scriptura"

The Catholic Church formulated the books of the bible and her monks, priests and bishops helped form the earliest copies of the sacred scriptures.

But I tell you that the sacred traditions of the Catholic Church are united to the scriptures and hold the faith of the people when scripture is unavailable.

The Holy Mass is the bible! Go to mass every Sunday and in a year you have read the bible!
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The blessed Trinity is no man-made doctrine or idol as you would propose.

This sacred mystery is revealed to us from heaven and through the body of Christ, His Church, the Catholic Church.

The Father glorifies the Son by the Holy Spirit

3 in 1
 Quoting: JohnPaul2


It was enforced via secular, imperial law, before it was even adopted on the councils. A continuation of the imperial cult.

Thread: 27 February 380 AD; the single most important document in the history of Christianity, and perhaps even mankind.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Jesus gave the Cahtolic church the authority to decree such teachings.

He has been united to His church via the Holy Spirit ever since his ascension to heaven.

I care not of any man made teaching apart from the authority of Christ.
 Quoting: JohnPaul2


No, it was decreed by emperor Theodosius before being adoped by the harlot church.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I surrender this conversation to a prayerful process. I need not defend truth to you. The truth can defend itself.
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Jesus gave the Cahtolic church the authority to decree such teachings.
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According to Catholics to justify themselves.
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The trinity is a Catholic doctrine. It's her doctrine, her badge of servitude.
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It was enforced via secular, imperial law, before it was even adopted on the councils. A continuation of the imperial cult.

Thread: 27 February 380 AD; the single most important document in the history of Christianity, and perhaps even mankind.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Jesus gave the Cahtolic church the authority to decree such teachings.

He has been united to His church via the Holy Spirit ever since his ascension to heaven.

I care not of any man made teaching apart from the authority of Christ.
 Quoting: JohnPaul2


No, it was decreed by emperor Theodosius before being adoped by the harlot church.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I surrender this conversation to a prayerful process. I need not defend truth to you. The truth can defend itself.
 Quoting: JohnPaul2


Yes, and according to the truth the the Edict of Thessalonica preceded the first Council of Constantinople. Not that it matters, the lie is still a lie.
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Jesus gave the Cahtolic church the authority to decree such teachings.
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According to Catholics to justify themselves.
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The trinity is a Catholic doctrine. It's her doctrine, her badge of servitude.
 Quoting: Monotheism


According to you to justify yourself.
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Yes, and according to the truth the the Edict of Thessalonica preceded the first Council of Constantinople. Not that it matters, the lie is still a lie.
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Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.

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Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts

Holy, holy, holy,
Lord God Almighty,
Who was and is and is to come!

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Jesus gave the Cahtolic church the authority to decree such teachings.
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According to Catholics to justify themselves.
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The trinity is a Catholic doctrine. It's her doctrine, her badge of servitude.
 Quoting: Monotheism


According to you to justify yourself.
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Why would I need to justify myself in this regard, I don't subscribe to her idol?
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According to Catholics to justify themselves.
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The trinity is a Catholic doctrine. It's her doctrine, her badge of servitude.
 Quoting: Monotheism


According to you to justify yourself.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17008947


Why would I need to justify myself in this regard, I don't subscribe to her idol?
 Quoting: Monotheism


His Jewish followers believed in the Father, in Jesus and in the Spirit.

No Rome required.

Regardless of your unbelieving opinion.
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