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The Christian trinity is an idol.

 
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Here is the verse again:
22 For the Father judges no one, but has given all judgment to the Son, 23 that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him.
If we honor the Son any less than we honor the Father, are we truly honoring the Father?
We have already discussed "the fear of God"...it is the hatred of sin.
 Quoting: Unchained


This tiny piece of conjecture is your entire case?

"He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him."

It's about honoring God by honoring God's representative, not elevating him to godhood.
 Quoting: Monotheism

So, according to you, a single servant of God, is granted ALL judgement but is not equal to the Father? And this servant, the Messiah, the Son, is not due equal honor as the Father? "that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father."
 Quoting: Unchained


thats what the text and the context (countless warnings against idolatry, "G-d is not a man" "none besides me)

and you expect to sell your trinity based on "oh do you expect all judgement given to him and he is equal"

thats a leap of faith.

and you ignore your own words, refer you to the bold.
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1

I honor Jesus and the honor due Jesus and it is equal to the Father's. Simple enough. Why is that wrong, when the verse states it clearly? I didn't state anything about the Trinity. If I state I honor Jesus less than the Father, I would be in violation of the scripture.
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For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

For it is written:

"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
And bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?

For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

For Jews request a sign, and Greeks seek after wisdom;

but we preach Christ crucified, to the Jews a stumbling block and to the Greeks foolishness,

but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.

Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men.



I Corinthians 1:18-25
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This tiny piece of conjecture is your entire case?

"He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent him."

It's about honoring God by honoring God's representative, not elevating him to godhood.
 Quoting: Monotheism

So, according to you, a single servant of God, is granted ALL judgement but is not equal to the Father? And this servant, the Messiah, the Son, is not due equal honor as the Father? "that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father."
 Quoting: Unchained


thats what the text and the context (countless warnings against idolatry, "G-d is not a man" "none besides me)

and you expect to sell your trinity based on "oh do you expect all judgement given to him and he is equal"

thats a leap of faith.

and you ignore your own words, refer you to the bold.
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1

I honor Jesus and the honor due Jesus and it is equal to the Father's. Simple enough. Why is that wrong, when the verse states it clearly? I didn't state anything about the Trinity. If I state I honor Jesus less than the Father, I would be in violation of the scripture.
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It's wrong because you're violating God's clear word.
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to those who are called


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No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

...And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.



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It's wrong because you're violating God's clear word.
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According to you constantly wielding your judgment against men of Faith in Christ

for which you will be Judged Righteously,

we can be certain and we can agree.
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I know all about that filthy idol.
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Do you call The Cross filthy?
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"The crucifixion of Jesus Christ.. was an achievement that was planned before the foundation of the world."



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Do you have contempt for the Cross of Jesus Christ?
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No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

...And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.



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I agree.
But, sometimes one must contend for the faith.
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You have said that you believe that Yeshua is the Messiah of Israel.

What do you say of The Cross?

Dare you say?
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to those who are called


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No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

...And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.



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I'm not judging anyone, Jeopardy, least of all you, but I do wonder why you unable to communicate like a normal human being.
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No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

...And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.



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I agree.
But, sometimes one must contend for the faith.
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What but?


Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

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You have said that you believe that Yeshua is the Messiah of Israel.

What do you say of The Cross?

Dare you say?
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communicate like a normal human being.
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So, according to you, a single servant of God, is granted ALL judgement but is not equal to the Father? And this servant, the Messiah, the Son, is not due equal honor as the Father? "that all may honor the Son, just as they honor the Father."
 Quoting: Unchained


thats what the text and the context (countless warnings against idolatry, "G-d is not a man" "none besides me)

and you expect to sell your trinity based on "oh do you expect all judgement given to him and he is equal"

thats a leap of faith.

and you ignore your own words, refer you to the bold.
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1

I honor Jesus and the honor due Jesus and it is equal to the Father's. Simple enough. Why is that wrong, when the verse states it clearly? I didn't state anything about the Trinity. If I state I honor Jesus less than the Father, I would be in violation of the scripture.
 Quoting: Unchained


It's wrong because you're violating God's clear word.
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If am guilty for worshiping the Only Son of God, the Messiah, the Word and He is to be my Judge, what do I loose?
Revelations
22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.
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if you read Johns prologue in the greek, you can see clearly that the word is not G-d.

in the beginning was the word, and the word was with T-H-E G-O-D and the word was (a) god.

there is a distinction between the god who is with the word and word that is god, clearly putting the god with the word on a higher level.
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VIP, I've never heard a scholar claim what you state. All respectable transliterations disagree.
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mmmm I have heard a unitarian on youtube make that claim.
could be wrong.
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You're not wrong. Unchained has been listening to Christian scholars, i.e. compulsive liars. There's no definite article in the last part of John 1:1: kai theos en ho logos.

"We next notice John's use of the article in these sentences. He does not write without care in this respect, nor is he unfamiliar with the niceties of the Greek tongue. In some cases he uses the article, and in some he omits it. He adds the article to the Logos, but to the name of God he adds it sometimes only. He uses the article, when the name of God refers to the uncreated cause of all things, and omits it when the Logos is named God.... The true God, then, is The God (ho theos)." ~ Origen
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Meditate on on this. In a religion professed by a third of the world's population - literally billions - this part of John's prologue is common knowledge among the scholars, teachers and preachers. They know there's no definite article when the logos is proclaimed theos. They know 'God' is still rendered with a capital g. They know this, and they're studied the scriptures extensively. Ignorance is not the issue.

But, how come your average church going Christian doesn't know any of this? Why are they being kept in the dark by the worthless shepherds that lead them? What kind of religion thrives on that kind of ignorance from its populace? Why are they being systematically deprived of truth and knowledge?
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thats what the text and the context (countless warnings against idolatry, "G-d is not a man" "none besides me)

and you expect to sell your trinity based on "oh do you expect all judgement given to him and he is equal"

thats a leap of faith.

and you ignore your own words, refer you to the bold.
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1

I honor Jesus and the honor due Jesus and it is equal to the Father's. Simple enough. Why is that wrong, when the verse states it clearly? I didn't state anything about the Trinity. If I state I honor Jesus less than the Father, I would be in violation of the scripture.
 Quoting: Unchained


It's wrong because you're violating God's clear word.
 Quoting: Monotheism

If am guilty for worshiping the Only Son of God, the Messiah, the Word and He is to be my Judge, what do I loose?
Revelations
22 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb 2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. 4 They will see his face, and his name will be on their foreheads. 5 And night will be no more. They will need no light of lamp or sun, for the Lord God will be their light, and they will reign forever and ever.
 Quoting: Unchained


Bolded part is about God's servants.

And has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father– to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. Revelation 1:6

The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of my God. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from my God; and I will also write on them my new name. Revelation 3:12
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Here's a couple of videos explaining and expounding on the "Socinian" (human Jesus) understanding of John's prologue.


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You should bookmark and watch when you get around to to it, Unchained.
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Bookmark and watch. You too, Jeopardy.
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May God bless and guide you all. Good night.

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Meditate on on this. In a religion professed by a third of the world's population - literally billions - this part of John's prologue is common knowledge among the scholars, teachers and preachers. They know there's no definite article when the logos is proclaimed theos. They know 'God' is still rendered with a capital g. They know this, and they're studied the scriptures extensively. Ignorance is not the issue.

But, how come your average church going Christian doesn't know any of this? Why are they being kept in the dark by the worthless shepherds that lead them? What kind of religion thrives on that kind of ignorance from its populace? Why are they being systematically deprived of truth and knowledge?
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All religions thrive on ignorance. Not everyone can handle the deeper aspects of spirit, or even want to. You have been on this "mission" for all the time I have been on glp, and while you are well-versed on the problems inherent in the trinity, how far above that crowd you seem to despise are you? You've got your blind spots as they have theirs. I was scrolling through this thread and saw this:

It's a fact not an opinion. And it's not about having regard for my non-existing authority, but for the eternal, unchangeable truth. And the truth will be made known, and the lie will be exposed once and for all.

And YHWH will be king over all the earth. On that day YHWH will be ONE and his name ONE. Zechariah 14:9

It's inevitable. God's day will come.
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That's the same sort of by the book twaddle as the ones insisting the trinity is true, but you call it a "fact" all the same, when regardless of how strongly you feel about it, it's only an opinion based on a belief based on a line in a book. In the end, that's all you have--lines in a book and nothing more to support your "fact."
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Meditate on on this. In a religion professed by a third of the world's population - literally billions - this part of John's prologue is common knowledge among the scholars, teachers and preachers. They know there's no definite article when the logos is proclaimed theos. They know 'God' is still rendered with a capital g. They know this, and they're studied the scriptures extensively. Ignorance is not the issue.

But, how come your average church going Christian doesn't know any of this? Why are they being kept in the dark by the worthless shepherds that lead them? What kind of religion thrives on that kind of ignorance from its populace? Why are they being systematically deprived of truth and knowledge?
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All religions thrive on ignorance. Not everyone can handle the deeper aspects of spirit, or even want to. You have been on this "mission" for all the time I have been on glp, and while you are well-versed on the problems inherent in the trinity, how far above that crowd you seem to despise are you? You've got your blind spots as they have theirs. I was scrolling through this thread and saw this:
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I don't think myself above anyone, and I don't think you're as perceptive as you think you are. On what basis do you claim all religions thrive on ignorance?
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Meditate on on this. In a religion professed by a third of the world's population - literally billions - this part of John's prologue is common knowledge among the scholars, teachers and preachers. They know there's no definite article when the logos is proclaimed theos. They know 'God' is still rendered with a capital g. They know this, and they're studied the scriptures extensively. Ignorance is not the issue.

But, how come your average church going Christian doesn't know any of this? Why are they being kept in the dark by the worthless shepherds that lead them? What kind of religion thrives on that kind of ignorance from its populace? Why are they being systematically deprived of truth and knowledge?
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All religions thrive on ignorance. Not everyone can handle the deeper aspects of spirit, or even want to. You have been on this "mission" for all the time I have been on glp, and while you are well-versed on the problems inherent in the trinity, how far above that crowd you seem to despise are you? You've got your blind spots as they have theirs. I was scrolling through this thread and saw this:
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I don't think myself above anyone, and I don't think you're as perceptive as you think you are. On what basis do you claim all religions thrive on ignorance?
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I do see that you skipped over the meat of what I said to quibble with this stuff. You certainly do see yourself above the apologists you have such disdain for. You are wanking about re the one true eternal truth and they are just duped by their odious trinity construction.

I get that. Anyone who sees one of your threads gets that. It's all you do. But in the end, they are going with what they have been told and so are you. The fact that you can seriously say that what you are putting forth by quoting a verse in a book is a fact when it doesn't qualify for anything more than an opinion based on a belief.

Religions thrive on ignorance because many of the most fervent followers don't know much beyond the bits they have been taught as doctrine. Some get it from a church authority, some get it from a book, but it's still just pointing to something that says so and taken from there. You are just as much guilty of this as you rail endlessly against.
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Perhaps I am not that perceptive at all, but I do see that you skipped over the meat to
Meditate on on this. In a religion professed by a third of the world's population - literally billions - this part of John's prologue is common knowledge among the scholars, teachers and preachers. They know there's no definite article when the logos is proclaimed theos. They know 'God' is still rendered with a capital g. They know this, and they're studied the scriptures extensively. Ignorance is not the issue.

But, how come your average church going Christian doesn't know any of this? Why are they being kept in the dark by the worthless shepherds that lead them? What kind of religion thrives on that kind of ignorance from its populace? Why are they being systematically deprived of truth and knowledge?
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All religions thrive on ignorance. Not everyone can handle the deeper aspects of spirit, or even want to. You have been on this "mission" for all the time I have been on glp, and while you are well-versed on the problems inherent in the trinity, how far above that crowd you seem to despise are you? You've got your blind spots as they have theirs. I was scrolling through this thread and saw this:
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I don't think myself above anyone, and I don't think you're as perceptive as you think you are. On what basis do you claim all religions thrive on ignorance?
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I do see that you skipped over the meat of what I said to quibble with this stuff. You certainly do see yourself above the apologists you have such disdain for. You are wanking about re the one true eternal truth and they are just duped by their odious trinity construction.

I get that. Anyone who sees one of your threads gets that. It's all you do. But in the end, they are going with what they have been told and so are you. The fact that you can seriously say that what you are putting forth by quoting a verse in a book is a fact when it doesn't qualify for anything more than an opinion based on a belief.

Religions thrive on ignorance because many of the most fervent followers don't know much beyond the bits they have been taught as doctrine. Some get it from a church authority, some get it from a book, but it's still just pointing to something that says so and taken from there. You are just as much guilty of this as you rail endlessly against.
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In a argument about scripture, scripture becomes the objective arbitrator. Your argument holds no water. I don't debate Catholics the way I debate Evangelicals simly because Catholic don't consider scripture their sole authority. And I don't go with what I'm told, nobody ever told me anything about religion. Like I said; you aren't as perceptive as you think you are.

And most religions aren't as hierarchical as Christianity - where both knowledge and salvation was monopolized within an institution - and don't have the incentive Christianity does to keep its followers ignorant and uneducated.
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All religions thrive on ignorance. Not everyone can handle the deeper aspects of spirit, or even want to. You have been on this "mission" for all the time I have been on glp, and while you are well-versed on the problems inherent in the trinity, how far above that crowd you seem to despise are you? You've got your blind spots as they have theirs. I was scrolling through this thread and saw this:
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I don't think myself above anyone, and I don't think you're as perceptive as you think you are. On what basis do you claim all religions thrive on ignorance?
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I do see that you skipped over the meat of what I said to quibble with this stuff. You certainly do see yourself above the apologists you have such disdain for. You are wanking about re the one true eternal truth and they are just duped by their odious trinity construction.

I get that. Anyone who sees one of your threads gets that. It's all you do. But in the end, they are going with what they have been told and so are you. The fact that you can seriously say that what you are putting forth by quoting a verse in a book is a fact when it doesn't qualify for anything more than an opinion based on a belief.

Religions thrive on ignorance because many of the most fervent followers don't know much beyond the bits they have been taught as doctrine. Some get it from a church authority, some get it from a book, but it's still just pointing to something that says so and taken from there. You are just as much guilty of this as you rail endlessly against.
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In a argument about scripture, scripture becomes the objective arbitrator. Your argument holds no water. I don't debate Catholics the way I debate Evangelicals simly because Catholic don't consider scripture their sole authority. And I don't go with what I'm told, nobody ever told me anything about religion. Like I said; you aren't as perceptive as you think you are.

And most religions aren't as hierarchical as Christianity - where both knowledge and salvation was monopolized within an institution - and don't have the incentive Christianity does to keep its followers ignorant and uneducated.
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Regardless of whether they are hierarchical or not, religions thrive on ignorance because the vast majority only go by the doctrines crystalized through tradition.

As for you not arguing with catholics and evangelicals the same way, I'm not so sure. You (rightly) point out that they are drinking from the same cup, even though the evangelicals deny it, so I'm not sure what the difference is.

But the main point, which you keep skipping over is that you are basing your entire argument on what this or that verse says. It's one thing to say it's a scriptural argument, but you go far beyond that. You state something is a fact when it is only an opinion based on a belief. You may believe that with all your heart, but that doesn't alchemize it into a fact.

It's a fact not an opinion. And it's not about having regard for my non-existing authority, but for the eternal, unchangeable truth. And the truth will be made known, and the lie will be exposed once and for all.

And YHWH will be king over all the earth. On that day YHWH will be ONE and his name ONE. Zechariah 14:9

It's inevitable. God's day will come.
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And proclaiming such as the eternal, unchangeable truth when all you have to go on the authority of a book is you being told what is so by the book, the same as someone who claims that their doctrine is the truth because it has been proclaimed as such. If you insist my argument holds no water, then upon what can you support your claim besides the statement in the book?
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Of course Evangelicals and Catholics drink from the same cup, AC 29338205, but the point is Evangelicals claims to be sola scriptura, whilst Catholics have no problem calling it a revealed mystery - the scriptural perspective is wasted on many of them. But what matters for most Christians is "can it be the deducted from scripture". Therefore scripture is relevant, whether you like it or not. And if you don't agree, don't participate. And if you're looking for another perspective, start another thread.

Scripture is the fixed point from which debate is conducted. For example, FOY and Dr. VIP don't consider the NT authoritative, but they have no problem using it as a fixed point for the sake of debate. And the trinity matters. You have your opinion, I know, but it matters, and there will come a time where you won't have to take my word for it.

And if I say I don't have disdain for anyone, I'd be lying.
But I don't have any disdain for any of the poster in this thread; not you, not [email protected], not Unchained, not even my annoying AC stalker. And you don't get me, my perspective or path. Not even remotely. And I don't think you're nearly as free of narrow mindedness as you think you are. Then again, I don't know you any more than you know me. Be well and may God bless you.
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
Of course Evangelicals and Catholics drink from the same cup, AC 29338205, but the point is Evangelicals claims to be sola scriptura, whilst Catholics have no problem calling it a revealed mystery - the scriptural perspective is wasted on many of them. But what matters for most Christians is "can it be the deducted from scripture". Therefore scripture is relevant, whether you like it or not. And if you don't agree, don't participate. And if you're looking for another perspective, start another thread.

Scripture is the fixed point from which debate is conducted. For example, FOY and Dr. VIP don't consider the NT authoritative, but they have no problem using it as a fixed point for the sake of debate. And the trinity matters. You have your opinion, I know, but it matters, and there will come a time where you won't have to take my word for it.

And if I say I don't have disdain for anyone, I'd be lying.
But I don't have any disdain for any of the poster in this thread; not you, not [email protected], not Unchained, not even my annoying AC stalker. And you don't get me, my perspective or path. Not even remotely. And I don't think you're nearly as free of narrow mindedness as you think you are. Then again, I don't know you any more than you know me. Be well and may God bless you.
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That's three tries and you STILL haven't even attempted to answer the main question. You were on [email protected] (rightly)for his penchant for that fake set up he does to avoid the questions you put to him, the "of course if you don't accept the NT as authoritative, then this won't make sense" bit, but you are doing just as fine a job at deflecting.

You know the trinity isn't scriptural. You know nobody can explain it because it's an artificial construction. So what's the point in continuing these endless threads on it since they are just a set up for you to bash trinitarians?

If I don't get you, it's because you don't give anything about your perspective beyond God is one. People ask you all the time and you always dance around what you believe. You refuse to elaborate. But from what I have gleaned, you had some dreams that rocked you and you study the bible.

But at the end of whatever you are seeking to do with these threads, you, like VIP and [email protected] are each in your ways proclaiming an exclusive truth which cannot be backed up with anything more than "the book says."

Beyond that supposed authority, there is nothing else to support such a claim. So when called on it, you don't respond to the charge directly, but dance around it like you have been here.
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09/26/2016 06:34 PM
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
Of course Evangelicals and Catholics drink from the same cup, AC 29338205, but the point is Evangelicals claims to be sola scriptura, whilst Catholics have no problem calling it a revealed mystery - the scriptural perspective is wasted on many of them. But what matters for most Christians is "can it be the deducted from scripture". Therefore scripture is relevant, whether you like it or not. And if you don't agree, don't participate. And if you're looking for another perspective, start another thread.

Scripture is the fixed point from which debate is conducted. For example, FOY and Dr. VIP don't consider the NT authoritative, but they have no problem using it as a fixed point for the sake of debate. And the trinity matters. You have your opinion, I know, but it matters, and there will come a time where you won't have to take my word for it.

And if I say I don't have disdain for anyone, I'd be lying.
But I don't have any disdain for any of the poster in this thread; not you, not [email protected], not Unchained, not even my annoying AC stalker. And you don't get me, my perspective or path. Not even remotely. And I don't think you're nearly as free of narrow mindedness as you think you are. Then again, I don't know you any more than you know me. Be well and may God bless you.
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That's three tries and you STILL haven't even attempted to answer the main question. You were on [email protected] (rightly)for his penchant for that fake set up he does to avoid the questions you put to him, the "of course if you don't accept the NT as authoritative, then this won't make sense" bit, but you are doing just as fine a job at deflecting.

You know the trinity isn't scriptural. You know nobody can explain it because it's an artificial construction. So what's the point in continuing these endless threads on it since they are just a set up for you to bash trinitarians?

If I don't get you, it's because you don't give anything about your perspective beyond God is one. People ask you all the time and you always dance around what you believe. You refuse to elaborate. But from what I have gleaned, you had some dreams that rocked you and you study the bible.

But at the end of whatever you are seeking to do with these threads, you, like VIP and [email protected] are each in your ways proclaiming an exclusive truth which cannot be backed up with anything more than "the book says."

Beyond that supposed authority, there is nothing else to support such a claim. So when called on it, you don't respond to the charge directly, but dance around it like you have been here.
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My purpose is truth, and that I believe in a day of accountability. Truth doesn't need to motivate itself, it just is. And I've been given verifiable information in dreams/visions that 100% originates outside the realm of my own consciousness, and that's not the half of it. I don't believe, I know. And you won't get any details in this thread, or any open thread for that matter. Like you use to say: please don't derail my thread. My person is not the topic.

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09/26/2016 06:55 PM
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Re: The Christian trinity is an idol.
I'm sick of poisonous ad hominem tirades and being lead into endless sidetracks, that's why I can come across as short or dismissive. I'm not trying to be rude or to browbeat anyone.
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