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The Christian trinity is an idol.

 
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Ok, but I never once mentioned mystery schools, which I know nothing of. I did say mystical schools or mystical traditions, and that is not the same thing, and they are not based on dogma in the way the exoteric traditions. Even if there are dogmatic elements in this tradition or that, those elements are minor and would never be used as the final arbiter in the way folks point to scripture and say this is the way it is because it says so right here in the book.
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My bad, I meant mystical school/tradition. Since mystics are so wise and flexible and dem religious folks are so dogmatic and narrow-minded, maybe you can ask a s
Sufi master if he's willing to compromise a tad on the tawhid, or maybe you'll find a true Kabbalist that's willing to discard a couple of thoose pesky, dogmatic mitzvot.

What I'm getting at is, there's an exoteric level and an esoteric level to most mystical traditions - to conquer the exoteric world is not to discard the esoteric. You might even say that one precedes the other. And it doesn't mean it's free from dogma, syncretism and religiousity either.

I don't fetichize or romanticize mysticism or esotericism like pick-and-choose New-Ageism does, or like those self-professed GLP Gnostics that claim to share the Gnostic hate of Abrahamic religion, but don't practise any of their rigorous asceticism.
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Ah, now this is more like it, mono. Working from bottom up, I'm with ya as far as the new-age wank. I have no time for it because it always seems to dilute the wine and turn it into the vinegar of self-aggrandizement. Likewise with the gnostic stuff. The fact is we just don't know enough about their teachings since so much was destroyed. So they are kinda like wiccans, reconstructing what they think might have been the core and adding this and that to suit their taste.

I think all the traditions are syncretic to some extent. How could they not be? I would also agree that the lower levels would be prone to this or that dogma or religiosity, but the upper echelons realize that all this must eventually be discarded until nothing is left but the One. There are some advaita scriptures that are a punch in the face on this point, where they just burn the whole edifice down, even though it was built to get them to the point where they could do so. To the untutored eye, it seems like they are pissing all over their own sacred traditions and being wholly contradictory, but it's more a case where the ceiling of one level becomes the floor for the next. That's what I mean when I say that scriptural authority is not the destination, but the jumping off place.

Not sure I understand what you mean by the sufi compromising on tawhid. Why would he have to? But in his steadfastness to the One, he would also be able to appreciate that there are other paths to that One and not get caught up in the blatherings that infest the exoteric exclusivity claims. I don't know if you saw it, but I was talking about this great little vid that I saw of a sufi, a kabbalist and a christian mystic, three traditions where the exoteric wings are busy damning each other, and these three were just in radiant agreement about the goal, which as ever, is the One.

Which brings me back to my exclusivity point that started this. I get that you are locked into Yahweh as the One. But what of the yogi master who makes all the same claims for Krishna, or Shiva as the Absolute? They would see your claim as a different yet valid expression of that One which was beyond name and form, but would you be willing to grant them the same unity in goal underneath the diversity of expression?
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My point with the Sufi was that a true mystic is as uncompromising with their faith as the exoteric religious person is. It seemed you were entertaining a false dichotomy in where that was not the case.

Maybe it's not too likely in this day and age, but - forgive the bombastics - if I had to choose between being executed in the most gruesome manner imaginable, or recant my beliefs, I would have to choose death in a heart-beat. Death would become my duty. No, this is not me romanticizing martyrdom or a hypothetical scenario of my heroic zeal - I'm making a whole nother point. My point is that this, this subject, is of importance. Souls are being held captive, and I'm trying to set them free. This is not a joke to me. And even if I didn't have a purpose, truth in itself is self-sustaining, it doesn't need to be motivated.

Like I alluded to, experience is the basis of my faith. I didn't just pick up one book and go "gee, that's a neat little story". I didn't "lock" into anything. Do you trust that what your eyes see is accurate? Do you trust your ears to hear? Do you trust you senses to to properly register your surroundings? Why? Because those are the tools at your disposals. What else is there to trust? That's what I'm doing, I'm trusting the tools at my disposal, because I have no other choice. But I also can't pluck out my eyes and lend you them so you so that you can experience and see what I have experienced and seen. There no other answer I can give you.

What I am today is something I used to mock. Convenience wasn't a factor. And I'm still very much journeying. And I'm not alone having experience/dreams/visions as the foundation or as aspects of faith (something I used to mock too); on GLP alone, there's FOY, Elegant Walnut, WishinForTheMission that I know of, an probably many more. (And no, this is not me being defensive.)

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Did you know there's a Jewish custom of buying a new kitchen knife for Rosh Hashana? I didn't either. It's not even a common Jewish practise. I learned about this custom in a dream (along with a lesson). Knowledge that with 100 % certainty originated from outside the realm of my knowledge and consciousness.

I'm well beyond doubt at this point. (Which doesn't mean I got all things figured out.)

May God guide and bless you.
 Quoting: Monotheism


For all your zeal for truth, which is commendable, would it be asking too much for you to actually answer a direct question now and then? Seriously, mono, your failure over and over to do so is a shadow on whatever light you seek to cast. What I am seeking to get at is not a minor technical point, but an overarching principle, so before getting to any of the rest of this, let me ask you one more time in hopes that you can this time answer directly:

Which brings me back to my exclusivity point that started this. I get that you are locked into Yahweh as the One. But what of the yogi master who makes all the same claims for Krishna, or Shiva as the Absolute? They would see your claim as a different yet valid expression of that One which was beyond name and form, but would you be willing to grant them the same unity in goal underneath the diversity of expression? And if not, why not?
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My bad, I meant mystical school/tradition. Since mystics are so wise and flexible and dem religious folks are so dogmatic and narrow-minded, maybe you can ask a s
Sufi master if he's willing to compromise a tad on the tawhid, or maybe you'll find a true Kabbalist that's willing to discard a couple of thoose pesky, dogmatic mitzvot.

What I'm getting at is, there's an exoteric level and an esoteric level to most mystical traditions - to conquer the exoteric world is not to discard the esoteric. You might even say that one precedes the other. And it doesn't mean it's free from dogma, syncretism and religiousity either.

I don't fetichize or romanticize mysticism or esotericism like pick-and-choose New-Ageism does, or like those self-professed GLP Gnostics that claim to share the Gnostic hate of Abrahamic religion, but don't practise any of their rigorous asceticism.
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Ah, now this is more like it, mono. Working from bottom up, I'm with ya as far as the new-age wank. I have no time for it because it always seems to dilute the wine and turn it into the vinegar of self-aggrandizement. Likewise with the gnostic stuff. The fact is we just don't know enough about their teachings since so much was destroyed. So they are kinda like wiccans, reconstructing what they think might have been the core and adding this and that to suit their taste.

I think all the traditions are syncretic to some extent. How could they not be? I would also agree that the lower levels would be prone to this or that dogma or religiosity, but the upper echelons realize that all this must eventually be discarded until nothing is left but the One. There are some advaita scriptures that are a punch in the face on this point, where they just burn the whole edifice down, even though it was built to get them to the point where they could do so. To the untutored eye, it seems like they are pissing all over their own sacred traditions and being wholly contradictory, but it's more a case where the ceiling of one level becomes the floor for the next. That's what I mean when I say that scriptural authority is not the destination, but the jumping off place.

Not sure I understand what you mean by the sufi compromising on tawhid. Why would he have to? But in his steadfastness to the One, he would also be able to appreciate that there are other paths to that One and not get caught up in the blatherings that infest the exoteric exclusivity claims. I don't know if you saw it, but I was talking about this great little vid that I saw of a sufi, a kabbalist and a christian mystic, three traditions where the exoteric wings are busy damning each other, and these three were just in radiant agreement about the goal, which as ever, is the One.

Which brings me back to my exclusivity point that started this. I get that you are locked into Yahweh as the One. But what of the yogi master who makes all the same claims for Krishna, or Shiva as the Absolute? They would see your claim as a different yet valid expression of that One which was beyond name and form, but would you be willing to grant them the same unity in goal underneath the diversity of expression?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72865935


My point with the Sufi was that a true mystic is as uncompromising with their faith as the exoteric religious person is. It seemed you were entertaining a false dichotomy in where that was not the case.

Maybe it's not too likely in this day and age, but - forgive the bombastics - if I had to choose between being executed in the most gruesome manner imaginable, or recant my beliefs, I would have to choose death in a heart-beat. Death would become my duty. No, this is not me romanticizing martyrdom or a hypothetical scenario of my heroic zeal - I'm making a whole nother point. My point is that this, this subject, is of importance. Souls are being held captive, and I'm trying to set them free. This is not a joke to me. And even if I didn't have a purpose, truth in itself is self-sustaining, it doesn't need to be motivated.

Like I alluded to, experience is the basis of my faith. I didn't just pick up one book and go "gee, that's a neat little story". I didn't "lock" into anything. Do you trust that what your eyes see is accurate? Do you trust your ears to hear? Do you trust you senses to to properly register your surroundings? Why? Because those are the tools at your disposals. What else is there to trust? That's what I'm doing, I'm trusting the tools at my disposal, because I have no other choice. But I also can't pluck out my eyes and lend you them so you so that you can experience and see what I have experienced and seen. There no other answer I can give you.

What I am today is something I used to mock. Convenience wasn't a factor. And I'm still very much journeying. And I'm not alone having experience/dreams/visions as the foundation or as aspects of faith (something I used to mock too); on GLP alone, there's FOY, Elegant Walnut, WishinForTheMission that I know of, an probably many more. (And no, this is not me being defensive.)

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Did you know there's a Jewish custom of buying a new kitchen knife for Rosh Hashana? I didn't either. It's not even a common Jewish practise. I learned about this custom in a dream (along with a lesson). Knowledge that with 100 % certainty originated from outside the realm of my knowledge and consciousness.

I'm well beyond doubt at this point. (Which doesn't mean I got all things figured out.)

May God guide and bless you.
 Quoting: Monotheism


For all your zeal for truth, which is commendable, would it be asking too much for you to actually answer a direct question now and then? Seriously, mono, your failure over and over to do so is a shadow on whatever light you seek to cast. What I am seeking to get at is not a minor technical point, but an overarching principle, so before getting to any of the rest of this, let me ask you one more time in hopes that you can this time answer directly:

Which brings me back to my exclusivity point that started this. I get that you are locked into Yahweh as the One. But what of the yogi master who makes all the same claims for Krishna, or Shiva as the Absolute? They would see your claim as a different yet valid expression of that One which was beyond name and form, but would you be willing to grant them the same unity in goal underneath the diversity of expression? And if not, why not?
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Read my post again, I answered your question as direct as possible. I didn't "lock" into anything, I reponded to what I was shown. If there ever was a smidge of purity in Vedic religion that smidge is long since gone.
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My point with the Sufi was that a true mystic is as uncompromising with their faith as the exoteric religious person is. It seemed you were entertaining a false dichotomy in where that was not the case.
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A sufi master would not compromise, but would not insist that someone from a tradition other than his own must express himself in the same way as the sufi for he understands that the path is not the destination.
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Ah, now this is more like it, mono. Working from bottom up, I'm with ya as far as the new-age wank. I have no time for it because it always seems to dilute the wine and turn it into the vinegar of self-aggrandizement. Likewise with the gnostic stuff. The fact is we just don't know enough about their teachings since so much was destroyed. So they are kinda like wiccans, reconstructing what they think might have been the core and adding this and that to suit their taste.

I think all the traditions are syncretic to some extent. How could they not be? I would also agree that the lower levels would be prone to this or that dogma or religiosity, but the upper echelons realize that all this must eventually be discarded until nothing is left but the One. There are some advaita scriptures that are a punch in the face on this point, where they just burn the whole edifice down, even though it was built to get them to the point where they could do so. To the untutored eye, it seems like they are pissing all over their own sacred traditions and being wholly contradictory, but it's more a case where the ceiling of one level becomes the floor for the next. That's what I mean when I say that scriptural authority is not the destination, but the jumping off place.

Not sure I understand what you mean by the sufi compromising on tawhid. Why would he have to? But in his steadfastness to the One, he would also be able to appreciate that there are other paths to that One and not get caught up in the blatherings that infest the exoteric exclusivity claims. I don't know if you saw it, but I was talking about this great little vid that I saw of a sufi, a kabbalist and a christian mystic, three traditions where the exoteric wings are busy damning each other, and these three were just in radiant agreement about the goal, which as ever, is the One.

Which brings me back to my exclusivity point that started this. I get that you are locked into Yahweh as the One. But what of the yogi master who makes all the same claims for Krishna, or Shiva as the Absolute? They would see your claim as a different yet valid expression of that One which was beyond name and form, but would you be willing to grant them the same unity in goal underneath the diversity of expression?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72865935


My point with the Sufi was that a true mystic is as uncompromising with their faith as the exoteric religious person is. It seemed you were entertaining a false dichotomy in where that was not the case.

Maybe it's not too likely in this day and age, but - forgive the bombastics - if I had to choose between being executed in the most gruesome manner imaginable, or recant my beliefs, I would have to choose death in a heart-beat. Death would become my duty. No, this is not me romanticizing martyrdom or a hypothetical scenario of my heroic zeal - I'm making a whole nother point. My point is that this, this subject, is of importance. Souls are being held captive, and I'm trying to set them free. This is not a joke to me. And even if I didn't have a purpose, truth in itself is self-sustaining, it doesn't need to be motivated.

Like I alluded to, experience is the basis of my faith. I didn't just pick up one book and go "gee, that's a neat little story". I didn't "lock" into anything. Do you trust that what your eyes see is accurate? Do you trust your ears to hear? Do you trust you senses to to properly register your surroundings? Why? Because those are the tools at your disposals. What else is there to trust? That's what I'm doing, I'm trusting the tools at my disposal, because I have no other choice. But I also can't pluck out my eyes and lend you them so you so that you can experience and see what I have experienced and seen. There no other answer I can give you.

What I am today is something I used to mock. Convenience wasn't a factor. And I'm still very much journeying. And I'm not alone having experience/dreams/visions as the foundation or as aspects of faith (something I used to mock too); on GLP alone, there's FOY, Elegant Walnut, WishinForTheMission that I know of, an probably many more. (And no, this is not me being defensive.)

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Did you know there's a Jewish custom of buying a new kitchen knife for Rosh Hashana? I didn't either. It's not even a common Jewish practise. I learned about this custom in a dream (along with a lesson). Knowledge that with 100 % certainty originated from outside the realm of my knowledge and consciousness.

I'm well beyond doubt at this point. (Which doesn't mean I got all things figured out.)

May God guide and bless you.
 Quoting: Monotheism


For all your zeal for truth, which is commendable, would it be asking too much for you to actually answer a direct question now and then? Seriously, mono, your failure over and over to do so is a shadow on whatever light you seek to cast. What I am seeking to get at is not a minor technical point, but an overarching principle, so before getting to any of the rest of this, let me ask you one more time in hopes that you can this time answer directly:

Which brings me back to my exclusivity point that started this. I get that you are locked into Yahweh as the One. But what of the yogi master who makes all the same claims for Krishna, or Shiva as the Absolute? They would see your claim as a different yet valid expression of that One which was beyond name and form, but would you be willing to grant them the same unity in goal underneath the diversity of expression? And if not, why not?
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Read my post again, I answered your question as direct as possible. I didn't "lock" into anything, I reponded to what I was shown. If there ever was a smidge of purity in Vedic religion that smidge is long since gone.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I read it quite carefully. What makes you say there is nothing of purity in vedic and why? That's quite the bold claim. What are you basing it on?
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My point with the Sufi was that a true mystic is as uncompromising with their faith as the exoteric religious person is. It seemed you were entertaining a false dichotomy in where that was not the case.
 Quoting: Monotheism


A sufi master would not compromise, but would not insist that someone from a tradition other than his own must express himself in the same way as the sufi for he understands that the path is not the destination.
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If a religion has an element of salvationism the path matters. (And no, that's not the same as an exclusive path.) Judaism isn't nearly as salvationist as Christianity, that still doesn't make the Christian trinity as non-issue for them.
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My point with the Sufi was that a true mystic is as uncompromising with their faith as the exoteric religious person is. It seemed you were entertaining a false dichotomy in where that was not the case.

Maybe it's not too likely in this day and age, but - forgive the bombastics - if I had to choose between being executed in the most gruesome manner imaginable, or recant my beliefs, I would have to choose death in a heart-beat. Death would become my duty. No, this is not me romanticizing martyrdom or a hypothetical scenario of my heroic zeal - I'm making a whole nother point. My point is that this, this subject, is of importance. Souls are being held captive, and I'm trying to set them free. This is not a joke to me. And even if I didn't have a purpose, truth in itself is self-sustaining, it doesn't need to be motivated.

Like I alluded to, experience is the basis of my faith. I didn't just pick up one book and go "gee, that's a neat little story". I didn't "lock" into anything. Do you trust that what your eyes see is accurate? Do you trust your ears to hear? Do you trust you senses to to properly register your surroundings? Why? Because those are the tools at your disposals. What else is there to trust? That's what I'm doing, I'm trusting the tools at my disposal, because I have no other choice. But I also can't pluck out my eyes and lend you them so you so that you can experience and see what I have experienced and seen. There no other answer I can give you.

What I am today is something I used to mock. Convenience wasn't a factor. And I'm still very much journeying. And I'm not alone having experience/dreams/visions as the foundation or as aspects of faith (something I used to mock too); on GLP alone, there's FOY, Elegant Walnut, WishinForTheMission that I know of, an probably many more. (And no, this is not me being defensive.)

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

Did you know there's a Jewish custom of buying a new kitchen knife for Rosh Hashana? I didn't either. It's not even a common Jewish practise. I learned about this custom in a dream (along with a lesson). Knowledge that with 100 % certainty originated from outside the realm of my knowledge and consciousness.

I'm well beyond doubt at this point. (Which doesn't mean I got all things figured out.)

May God guide and bless you.
 Quoting: Monotheism


For all your zeal for truth, which is commendable, would it be asking too much for you to actually answer a direct question now and then? Seriously, mono, your failure over and over to do so is a shadow on whatever light you seek to cast. What I am seeking to get at is not a minor technical point, but an overarching principle, so before getting to any of the rest of this, let me ask you one more time in hopes that you can this time answer directly:

Which brings me back to my exclusivity point that started this. I get that you are locked into Yahweh as the One. But what of the yogi master who makes all the same claims for Krishna, or Shiva as the Absolute? They would see your claim as a different yet valid expression of that One which was beyond name and form, but would you be willing to grant them the same unity in goal underneath the diversity of expression? And if not, why not?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72834685


Read my post again, I answered your question as direct as possible. I didn't "lock" into anything, I reponded to what I was shown. If there ever was a smidge of purity in Vedic religion that smidge is long since gone.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I read it quite carefully. What makes you say there is nothing of purity in vedic and why? That's quite the bold claim. What are you basing it on?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72834685


Ok, but I can't give a more direct answer. I base that on observation, research and deduction. That's not to say there aren't some interesting and unique aspects in Vedic tradition.
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My point with the Sufi was that a true mystic is as uncompromising with their faith as the exoteric religious person is. It seemed you were entertaining a false dichotomy in where that was not the case.
 Quoting: Monotheism


A sufi master would not compromise, but would not insist that someone from a tradition other than his own must express himself in the same way as the sufi for he understands that the path is not the destination.
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If a religion has an element of salvationism the path matters. (And no, that's not the same as an exclusive path.) Judaism isn't nearly as salvationist as Christianity, that still doesn't make the Christian trinity as non-issue for them.
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I'm not saying the path doesn't matter to the person taking it, but that saying that it is the only path there is to be taken is the issue. I know of no mystic tradition that would ever proclaim such an exclusivity clause.

Exoteric Christianity is all about salvation, sure, but the deepest stuff I know of is not on about getting saved, but attaining union. Big difference.
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For all your zeal for truth, which is commendable, would it be asking too much for you to actually answer a direct question now and then? Seriously, mono, your failure over and over to do so is a shadow on whatever light you seek to cast. What I am seeking to get at is not a minor technical point, but an overarching principle, so before getting to any of the rest of this, let me ask you one more time in hopes that you can this time answer directly:

Which brings me back to my exclusivity point that started this. I get that you are locked into Yahweh as the One. But what of the yogi master who makes all the same claims for Krishna, or Shiva as the Absolute? They would see your claim as a different yet valid expression of that One which was beyond name and form, but would you be willing to grant them the same unity in goal underneath the diversity of expression? And if not, why not?
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Read my post again, I answered your question as direct as possible. I didn't "lock" into anything, I reponded to what I was shown. If there ever was a smidge of purity in Vedic religion that smidge is long since gone.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I read it quite carefully. What makes you say there is nothing of purity in vedic and why? That's quite the bold claim. What are you basing it on?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72834685


Ok, but I can't give a more direct answer. I base that on observation, research and deduction. That's not to say there aren't some interesting and unique aspects in Vedic tradition.
 Quoting: Monotheism


C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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Read my post again, I answered your question as direct as possible. I didn't "lock" into anything, I reponded to what I was shown. If there ever was a smidge of purity in Vedic religion that smidge is long since gone.
 Quoting: Monotheism


I read it quite carefully. What makes you say there is nothing of purity in vedic and why? That's quite the bold claim. What are you basing it on?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72834685


Ok, but I can't give a more direct answer. I base that on observation, research and deduction. That's not to say there aren't some interesting and unique aspects in Vedic tradition.
 Quoting: Monotheism


C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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Creation is not the Creator. My path is with the true God. I had my first clean OBE after third eye meditation. Experience.
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My point with the Sufi was that a true mystic is as uncompromising with their faith as the exoteric religious person is. It seemed you were entertaining a false dichotomy in where that was not the case.
 Quoting: Monotheism


A sufi master would not compromise, but would not insist that someone from a tradition other than his own must express himself in the same way as the sufi for he understands that the path is not the destination.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72834685


If a religion has an element of salvationism the path matters. (And no, that's not the same as an exclusive path.) Judaism isn't nearly as salvationist as Christianity, that still doesn't make the Christian trinity as non-issue for them.
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I'm not saying the path doesn't matter to the person taking it, but that saying that it is the only path there is to be taken is the issue. I know of no mystic tradition that would ever proclaim such an exclusivity clause.

Exoteric Christianity is all about salvation, sure, but the deepest stuff I know of is not on about getting saved, but attaining union. Big difference.
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Depends on what you define as mystic. Call it union, call it salvation, call it Nirvana, call it the Messianic Age - it's still not an exclusively Christian concept. The bolded part you added - "to the person taking it" - effectively changes then entire premise of my previous statement. A lot of people of a lot of different religions believe in afterlife accountability, and experience genuine fear and concern. Who are you to arbitrarily discard this entire aspect and deem it of no relevance?
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I read it quite carefully. What makes you say there is nothing of purity in vedic and why? That's quite the bold claim. What are you basing it on?
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Ok, but I can't give a more direct answer. I base that on observation, research and deduction. That's not to say there aren't some interesting and unique aspects in Vedic tradition.
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C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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Creation is not the Creator. My path is with the true God. I had my first clean OBE after third eye meditation. Experience.
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Uh, what does this have to do with advaita?
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Read my post again, I answered your question as direct as possible. I didn't "lock" into anything, I reponded to what I was shown. If there ever was a smidge of purity in Vedic religion that smidge is long since gone.
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I read it quite carefully. What makes you say there is nothing of purity in vedic and why? That's quite the bold claim. What are you basing it on?
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Ok, but I can't give a more direct answer. I base that on observation, research and deduction. That's not to say there aren't some interesting and unique aspects in Vedic tradition.
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C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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induism WORSHIPS the lower manifestations of whatever deity they call the one the supreme infallible most high etc...

no matter how hard modern neo pagans would try and say that their religions also have a one god... it is not true, these neo pagans are living within a JUDAIC world within a world heavily influenced by Torah, in the minds of these neo pagans calling the lower manifestations gods... is stupid, but they only think its stupid thanks to Torah, this was not the case in the primordial carnations of their religions.

now... it doesnt matter if these religions have a one supreme most high, these are philosophical concepts every one can come up with... the question, are they true?
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I read it quite carefully. What makes you say there is nothing of purity in vedic and why? That's quite the bold claim. What are you basing it on?
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Ok, but I can't give a more direct answer. I base that on observation, research and deduction. That's not to say there aren't some interesting and unique aspects in Vedic tradition.
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C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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induism WORSHIPS the lower manifestations of whatever deity they call the one the supreme infallible most high etc...

no matter how hard modern neo pagans would try and say that their religions also have a one god... it is not true, these neo pagans are living within a JUDAIC world within a world heavily influenced by Torah, in the minds of these neo pagans calling the lower manifestations gods... is stupid, but they only think its stupid thanks to Torah, this was not the case in the primordial carnations of their religions.

now... it doesnt matter if these religions have a one supreme most high, these are philosophical concepts every one can come up with... the question, are they true?
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What does all this stuff about neo-pagans have to do with advaita?
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Ok, but I can't give a more direct answer. I base that on observation, research and deduction. That's not to say there aren't some interesting and unique aspects in Vedic tradition.
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C'mon mono. If you have done observation, research and deduction, you can surely say more than that. What would be your kick against advaita?
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induism WORSHIPS the lower manifestations of whatever deity they call the one the supreme infallible most high etc...

no matter how hard modern neo pagans would try and say that their religions also have a one god... it is not true, these neo pagans are living within a JUDAIC world within a world heavily influenced by Torah, in the minds of these neo pagans calling the lower manifestations gods... is stupid, but they only think its stupid thanks to Torah, this was not the case in the primordial carnations of their religions.

now... it doesnt matter if these religions have a one supreme most high, these are philosophical concepts every one can come up with... the question, are they true?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


What does all this stuff about neo-pagans have to do with advaita?
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since you are promoting this hindu crap... you are a neo pagan who thinks we cant see that you are a neo pagan who has been literally brain cleansed by Judaism.

now you try to sell hinduism as if its monotheism... but its not.

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It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
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Why should I?

Jesus stated that He is the way the truth and the life.

Jesus stated he would die to save me and resurrect to prove to me and give me eternal life.

Jesus stated all who seek GOD will come to him.

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.


You have not come to him because you do not have GOD. But it is not to late!
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Jesus is my Brother and an archangel
Lucifer is my Brother and an archangel
God is my father

I'm an archangel.

Jesus advocated that the souls of humans be given a choice to follow God.

Lucifer advocated that the souls of humans be forced to follow God

The plan of Lucifer required submission.
The plan of Jesus required redemption.

God chose the plan of Jesus.

Lucifer was very angry and rebelled against God and he and 1/3 of the Heavewnly hosts were cast out of Heaven.

Lucifer took a new name - Satan - and vowed that he would prove Jesus wrong and that his plan was better.

Satan revealed himself to a young bedoin named Mohammed and thus Islam was created.

Jesus revealed himself to the apostles and Christianity was revealed.

Jesus is the redeermer of God, a human who had knowledge of God without the viel of ignorance.

Any soul who adopts the plan of Satan will suffer the same fate as Satan - and eternal death awaits.

anyone who accepts the plan of Jesus will enjoy eternal life.

The choise is yours.
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It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
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Why should I?

Jesus stated that He is the way the truth and the life.

Jesus stated he would die to save me and resurrect to prove to me and give me eternal life.

Jesus stated all who seek GOD will come to him.

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.


You have not come to him because you do not have GOD. But it is not to late!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


Because the one you pretend to follow told you to.

23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:23-24

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It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Why should I?

Jesus stated that He is the way the truth and the life.

Jesus stated he would die to save me and resurrect to prove to me and give me eternal life.

Jesus stated all who seek GOD will come to him.

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.


You have not come to him because you do not have GOD. But it is not to late!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


Because the one you pretend to follow told you to.

23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:23-24

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Yes and he told you to come to him!

So go to him..... to worship in Spirit and truth.
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It's a false, conceptualized image of the true God, and the golden calf of Christianity. To serve the true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob you need to reject the trinity idol.
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Why should I?

Jesus stated that He is the way the truth and the life.

Jesus stated he would die to save me and resurrect to prove to me and give me eternal life.

Jesus stated all who seek GOD will come to him.

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.


You have not come to him because you do not have GOD. But it is not to late!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


Because the one you pretend to follow told you to.

23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:23-24

Thread: Jesus says true worshippers will worship the Father, Christians says true worshippers will worship trinity in unity.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Yes and he told you to come to him!

So go to him..... to worship in Spirit and truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


so do you agree jesus is only a messenger sent by the father to point to father but, jesus is NOT a deity to be worshipped?
jesus in not co equal with the father?

do you agree?
Truth shall spring out of the earth; and righteousness shall look down from heaven.
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Why should I?

Jesus stated that He is the way the truth and the life.

Jesus stated he would die to save me and resurrect to prove to me and give me eternal life.

Jesus stated all who seek GOD will come to him.

John 6:45
It is written in the Prophets: 'They will all be taught by God.' Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me.


You have not come to him because you do not have GOD. But it is not to late!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


Because the one you pretend to follow told you to.

23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:23-24

Thread: Jesus says true worshippers will worship the Father, Christians says true worshippers will worship trinity in unity.
 Quoting: Monotheism


Yes and he told you to come to him!

So go to him..... to worship in Spirit and truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


so do you agree jesus is only a messenger sent by the father to point to father but, jesus is NOT a deity to be worshipped?
jesus in not co equal with the father?

do you agree?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


John 5:40
yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

I go to Jesus to have life! God draws me to Jesus ONLY!
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Because the one you pretend to follow told you to.

23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:23-24

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 Quoting: Monotheism


Yes and he told you to come to him!

So go to him..... to worship in Spirit and truth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


so do you agree jesus is only a messenger sent by the father to point to father but, jesus is NOT a deity to be worshipped?
jesus in not co equal with the father?

do you agree?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


John 5:40
yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

I go to Jesus to have life! God draws me to Jesus ONLY!
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no straight answer...
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Because the one you pretend to follow told you to.

23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:23-24

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 Quoting: Monotheism


Yes and he told you to come to him!

So go to him..... to worship in Spirit and truth.
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so do you agree jesus is only a messenger sent by the father to point to father but, jesus is NOT a deity to be worshipped?
jesus in not co equal with the father?

do you agree?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


John 5:40
yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

I go to Jesus to have life! God draws me to Jesus ONLY!
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What does that have to do with the trinity? How can you have a way without a destination?
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I don't think this guy cares.

He's been told, he's been corrected, he just brushed it aside and then continued with his lies.

He's a reprobate. You can't do anything for this heretick, he's gone, he can't be saved anymore.

He's as good as in hell.

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Yes and he told you to come to him!

So go to him..... to worship in Spirit and truth.
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so do you agree jesus is only a messenger sent by the father to point to father but, jesus is NOT a deity to be worshipped?
jesus in not co equal with the father?

do you agree?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


John 5:40
yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

I go to Jesus to have life! God draws me to Jesus ONLY!
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no straight answer...
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I did you just don't understand
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so do you agree jesus is only a messenger sent by the father to point to father but, jesus is NOT a deity to be worshipped?
jesus in not co equal with the father?

do you agree?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


John 5:40
yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

I go to Jesus to have life! God draws me to Jesus ONLY!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


no straight answer...
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


I did you just don't understand
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dont project.
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Nobody Comes to the Father But thru his son!
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I don't think this guy cares.

He's been told, he's been corrected, he just brushed it aside and then continued with his lies.

He's a reprobate. You can't do anything for this heretick, he's gone, he can't be saved anymore.

He's as good as in hell.

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Haven't seen you in a while, pagan, time for another cowardly hit-and-run? Since you're so obsessed with hell, maybe you can answer why there aren't any trinitarians or deity of Christ worshippers/idolaters in the kingdom?

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Yes and he told you to come to him!

So go to him..... to worship in Spirit and truth.
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so do you agree jesus is only a messenger sent by the father to point to father but, jesus is NOT a deity to be worshipped?
jesus in not co equal with the father?

do you agree?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


John 5:40
yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

I go to Jesus to have life! God draws me to Jesus ONLY!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


What does that have to do with the trinity? How can you have a way without a destination?
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The Messiah is the destination. He is the way the truth and the life. Go to him.....only!
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John 5:40
yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

I go to Jesus to have life! God draws me to Jesus ONLY!
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no straight answer...
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I did you just don't understand
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dont project.
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dont reject Jesus won't reject you if you come to him.

Come to Jesus :)
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so do you agree jesus is only a messenger sent by the father to point to father but, jesus is NOT a deity to be worshipped?
jesus in not co equal with the father?

do you agree?
 Quoting: Dr VIP 1


John 5:40
yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

I go to Jesus to have life! God draws me to Jesus ONLY!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70124711


What does that have to do with the trinity? How can you have a way without a destination?
 Quoting: Monotheism


The Messiah is the destination. He is the way the truth and the life. Go to him.....only!
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You just said he's the way. So what is the destination?
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no straight answer...
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I did you just don't understand
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dont project.
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dont reject Jesus won't reject you if you come to him.

Come to Jesus :)
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Jesus' God wasn't a trinity. If your God is a trinity you don't even have the same God. How is that not rejection?
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