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***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***

 
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***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
Can we give this man an award for the most gross understatemnt of the century to date?
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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, in Kuwait for a meeting with eight Arab nations to discuss ways to keep Iraq from sliding into civil war, sought to lower any expectations that the troop buildup would quickly pacify the country.

"Violent people will always be able to kill innocent people," she said. "So even with the new security plan, with the will and capability of the Iraqi government and with American forces to help reinforce Iraqi forces, there is still going to be violence."

She said the U.N. civilian death figures differ from others. "But whatever the number of civilians who have died in Iraq — and there obviously are competing numbers — but whatever the number is, it's too many," she said.

The university bombing's death toll was the highest daily toll since suspected al-Qaida in Iraq fighters staged a series of car bombs and mortar attacks on Baghdad's Sadr City Shiite slum. That attack killed at least 213 people on Nov. 23.

The U.N. civilian casualty count for last year was announced in Baghdad by Gianni Magazzeni, the chief of the U.N. Assistance Mission for Iraq in Baghdad. He said 34,452 civilians died — an average of 94 a day — and 36,685 were wounded.

But Dr. Hakem al-Zamili, Iraq's deputy health minister, told The Associated Press the United Nations may be using unreliable sources for its casualty count. "They might be taking the figures from people who are opposed to the government or to the Americans," he said. "They are not accurate." He said he would provide Iraqi government figures later this week.

In early January, a compilation of Iraqi government figures put last year's civilian deaths at just 12,357. The numbers are gathered monthly by the AP from reports by three Iraqi agencies.

When asked about the difference, Magazzeni said the U.N. figures were compiled from information obtained through the Iraqi Health Ministry, hospitals across the country and the Medico-Legal Institute in Baghdad.

He criticized the government for allowing much of the violence to go unpunished, saying urgent action was needed to re-establish law and order in the country to prevent its slide into all-out civil war.

"Without significant progress in the rule of law, sectarian violence will continue indefinitely and eventually spiral out of control," he warned.

The U.N. report also said that 30,842 people were detained in the country as of Dec. 31, including 14,534 held in U.S. military-run prisons.

At least 470,094 people throughout Iraq have been forced to leave their homes since the bombing of an important Shiite shrine, the Golden Dome mosque in Samarra, in February, the U.N. accounting said.

The report said the violence has disrupted education by forcing schools and universities to close, as well as sending professionals fleeing from the country.

In a summary of the report posted on its Web site Tuesday, UNAMI said Iraq's women were particularly vulnerable, citing cases where young women were abducted by armed militia and late discovered sexually assaulted, tortured or murdered. In many cases, the agency said, families refuse to retrieve the bodies out of shame.

As bombs detonated at Al-Mustansiriya University on Tuesday, there were a series of other attacks on Shiite neighborhoods in central Baghdad.

A bomb planted on a motorcycle exploded in a used auto and motorcycle parts market in a Shiite neighborhood. As people rushed to aide the victims of the first blast, a suicide car bomber drove his car into the crowd. Fifteen people died.

Raid Abbas, a 26-year-old who received shrapnel wounds in the attack said he went to the market because the city had been quieter over the past two weeks.

"Shortly after midday, I heard an explosion. Motorcycles were flying in the air, people were falling dead and wounded," he said from his hospital bed.

About 45 minutes later, gunmen riding two motorcycles and in a van fired on another outdoor market in a mainly Shiite neighborhood near Sadr City. Police said at least 11 people were killed.

Of the 142 Iraqis killed or found dead Tuesday, 124 died in Baghdad. Police said they had been unable to complete their tally of dumped corpses in the eastern half of the city because of violence there.
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Bush conceded that 2006 was a ``lousy year'' for Iraq and the U.S. involvement there. He said he takes responsibility for not moving more troops into Baghdad after the bombing of the Samarra Mosque, even when the Iraqis didn't act.

``We should have found troops and moved them,'' he said. ``But part of it was that the Iraqis didn't move troops.''

A United Nations report said at least 34,000 Iraqi civilians were killed in the violence that engulfed the country in 2006. A total of 647 U.S. military personnel were killed in combat last year and more than 3,000 have died since the U.S.- led invasion in March 2003.
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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
"Violent people will always be able to kill innocent people," she said. "So even with the new security plan, with the will and capability of the Iraqi government and with American forces to help reinforce Iraqi forces, there is still going to be violence"

Hi Agent,...how many more people have to die before somebody call this bitch on her bullshit?

How many of those innocent Iraqis that died,...if quized in the afterlife, would think the people that killed them violent.

Also,...why do you think these posts get so few replies?


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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
I think these threads get so few replies, even very few open and read them, because people feel so helpless and hopeless in stopping this carnage that we are all responsible for. They don't want to have to face it or deal with it. It is easier to ignore and deny.


I fear many more will die on all sides of this war, more than the total count of all who have already died. I don't know how Condi can make such inane comments. I wonder if she sleeps at night. Does she not see the blood on her hands?
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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
34,500...
at that rate, it would take 20 years to add up to the figure of 650,000 that gets bandied about so often here....
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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
You think American soldiers killed all those Iraqis? Think again. They are killing each other with all their roadside bombs and suicide bombers.
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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
...based on their survey of over 1,849 households in 47 neighborhoods across Iraq, the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, in a study published in The Lancet, a British medical journal, estimated 600,000 Iraqis died from violence between March 2003 and July 2006...
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You think American soldiers killed all those Iraqis? Think again. They are killing each other with all their roadside bombs and suicide bombers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 183002

I didn't claim they were all killed by the U.S. military, neither does either link I provided. But the Bush Admin. is responsible for the unrest and violence that is now occurring in Iraq.
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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
I think these threads get so few replies, even very few open and read them, because people feel so helpless and hopeless in stopping this carnage that we are all responsible for. They don't want to have to face it or deal with it. It is easier to ignore and deny.


I fear many more will die on all sides of this war, more than the total count of all who have already died. I don't know how Condi can make such inane comments. I wonder if she sleeps at night. Does she not see the blood on her hands?
 Quoting: 2XSecretAgent


It's almost like it is some insane game being played. I mean,…people are really deaf and dumb to it.;…The death I mean.

They say oh,...if it gets too bad, I will just buy ammo and the like to deal with it. But most will not even get off their asses and hold up a sign in frustration let alone gut some poor unprepared person that does not have a clue as to what in really happening.

In the old days,...if a neighbor was in trouble, everyone within shouting distance rallied to give aid. Now,... it's high powered weapons at 200 yds.

I can not comprehend why this is considered righteous thinking.

Seems wrong.



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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
...based on their survey of over 1,849 households in 47 neighborhoods across Iraq, the Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health, in a study published in The Lancet, a British medical journal, estimated 600,000 Iraqis died from violence between March 2003 and July 2006...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 12576

an estimate based on census data taken from 1849 households, LOL.
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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
It's almost like it is some insane game being played. I mean,…people are really deaf and dumb to it.;…The death I mean.

They say oh,...if it gets too bad, I will just buy ammo and the like to deal with it. But most will not even get off their asses and hold up a sign in frustration let alone gut some poor unprepared person that does not have a clue as to what in really happening.

In the old days,...if a neighbor was in trouble, everyone within shouting distance rallied to give aid. Now,... it's high powered weapons at 200 yds.

I can not comprehend why this is considered righteous thinking.

Seems wrong.



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I agree and don't know what to say. Something has to change or we will end up completely annihilating one another.
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I agree and don't know what to say. Something has to change or we will end up completely annihilating one another

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Seems like madness,...I wonder if the planets have anything to do with it all. hiding






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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
Well today I heard someone say "Muslims killing muslims is never a bad thing"... Can you believe it? THis is the
sorry state of our nation ...or maybe the human race.
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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
Just think how many more will die when the US military pulls out...I'd say multiply that number by 10.
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Trash taking out the trash, fuck 'em.
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Re: ***34,452 Iraq Civillians killed in 2006 - Bush calls it a "lousy year" for Iraq.***
Just think how many more will die when the US military pulls out...I'd say multiply that number by 10.
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I think you are wrong on that one.
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