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GOOD NEWS!!!-Bush Considering Pardon for Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Mexican Drug Runner

 
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"Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean reported to prison Wednesday to begin serving their sentences for the 2005 non-fatal shooting of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila. Ramos faces 11 years and one day while Compean will serve 12 years. Davila fled to Mexico after he was shot in the buttocks and later admitted he was transporting over 700 pounds of marijuana in the U.S. illegally..."

Bush Considering Pardon for Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Mexican Drug Runner
FOX News : January 19 , 2007

President Bush promised to review a case for a possible pardon of two former U.S. Border Patrol agents serving time in prison for shooting a Mexican drug runner.

Bush said in an interview with KFOX-TV in El Paso, Texas, Thursday that he would "take a sober look at the case" as it works its way through the appeals system.

"There are standards that need to be met in law enforcement and according to a jury of their peers, these officers violated some standards," Bush said. "On this case, people need to take a tough look at the facts, the evidence a jury looked at, as well as [the] judge. And I will do the same thing."

Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean reported to prison Wednesday to begin serving their sentences for the 2005 non-fatal shooting of Osvaldo Aldrete Davila. Ramos faces 11 years and one day while Compean will serve 12 years. Davila fled to Mexico after he was shot in the buttocks and later admitted he was transporting over 700 pounds of marijuana in the U.S. illegally.

Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif., introduced a bill to pardon the agents, joining a growing group of supporters of the men, including Reps. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., and Ted Poe, R-Texas.

"There's a compelling case that this was an extreme injustice," Hunter told FOXNews.com.

Hunter, a potential 2008 White House contender, said he collected 72 co-sponsors on a bill within 15 minutes after he introduced the measure on the House floor. The bill is the first of its kind in Congress, said Hunter spokesman Joe Kasper. The legislation is likely to head to the House Judiciary Committee for consideration.

"There's nothing to lose because these gentlemen are already in prison," Hunter said, who has met with the agents' families and urged the White House to get involved.

Hunter also sent a letter to the director of the Federal Bureau of Prisons requesting the two former agents be segregated from the general prison population -- some of which the ex-agents may have helped put away.

Ramos and Compean were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a deadly weapon, obstruction of justice, and a civil rights violation.

Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, sent a letter to Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., requesting an oversight hearing for a "public explanation and opportunity for questioning."

"I write to urge you to continue to conduct vigorous oversight of the federal government's commitment to protecting Americans who live and work along the border," Cornyn said in his letter.

Cornyn said he and Sen. Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania, who chaired the committee last year, investigated the case and that his office personally interviewed prosecutor Johnny Sutton.

Compean and Ramos were convicted by a jury last March of violating the civil rights of Davila when they shot him on Feb. 17, 2005, in Fabens, Texas, about 30 miles east of El Paso, then tampering with evidence by picking up shell casings from the shooting.

The ex-agents say Davila had a gun, and that's why they fired at him, but a gun was never found.

In exchange for his testimony against the two agents, Davila was granted immunity from prosecution by the U.S. government for attempting to smuggle nearly 750 pounds of marijuana, which had a street value of more than $1 million, into the United States on the day he was shot. He was treated in a U.S. hospital and is now suing the federal government for $5 million, Poe said
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Pardon?...It should never had gone that far! Slimy goddam bastards doing a CYA dance after the fact.
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Death enalty for murderers. That's the Texas way.
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Nobody was murdered in this case. Just a highly unjustified handling of this case. This action by the President was brought on by massive mailings, faxes, and petition signing by the American people. So many in fact that Bush had to make some type of annoucement, or to be shown as a complete noncaring individual in cases of law, even if that is what he is. To show that would have been an admission on his part that he prefers lawlessness to law and order. Or better, not having great miscarriages of justice, as is the case here.
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No one deserves to die over some mexican dirt weed.

Certainly not! Especially when they are UNARMED!

The border patrol agents were wrong. They murdered an unarmed man and then tried to cover it up.
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Oh, he didn't die.

Well, fuck the trigger happy assholes anyways.
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I think the problem was the redunkulus sentence to begin with... stupid judges ... KILL EM ALL
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Oh, he didn't die.

Well, fuck the trigger happy assholes anyways.
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Way to mouth off about something you know nothing about.
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THEY MURDERED NO ONE!!! Read the post. The man who was shot is now suing the US government, which granted him immunity from prosecution for indentifying the two boarder agents. He attempted to smuggle nearly 750 pounds of marijuana into the US and got shot for it, as it should be. There is currently a war on drugs in the US, or have you forgotten that as well?. READ.

No one deserves to die over some mexican dirt weed.

Certainly not! Especially when they are UNARMED!

The border patrol agents were wrong. They murdered an unarmed man and then tried to cover it up.
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several charges.

assault with a deadly weapon.

obstruction of justice.

civil rights violation.

and there was no gun found.

do you rally to all non-law abiding officers??

"Ramos and Compean were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a deadly weapon, obstruction of justice, and a civil rights violation."
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THEY MURDERED NO ONE!!! Read the post. The man who was shot is now suing the US government, which granted him immunity from prosecution for indentifying the two boarder agents. He attempted to smuggle nearly 750 pounds of marijuana into the US and got shot for it, as it should be. There is currently a war on drugs in the US, or have you forgotten that as well?. READ.

 Quoting: Jammer

the man who was shot in the back (buttocks) and is suing the US for what their officers did...

most drug cases in the US are due to snitches who are granted some form of immunity from charges for their "work" in bringing to justice...those guilty of the crime...(so it is said by police officers when they do what this man did in witnessing against those who shot him)

there is currently a failed "war on drugs" as this thread clearly shows.

prohibition didn't work with alcohol either and only created more "crime" and "criminals".

btw...do you always anger so quickly?
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Civil rights violations were dropped since the drug smuggler was not an American citizen. Rightly, the other charges remained, but the penalities were too harsh.

I rally when the penalities do not fit the crime especially when people do the jobs they were assigned to do, and thereby being punished for it, yes. Pavlovs dog.


several charges.

assault with a deadly weapon.

obstruction of justice.

civil rights violation.

and there was no gun found.

do you rally to all non-law abiding officers??

"Ramos and Compean were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a deadly weapon, obstruction of justice, and a civil rights violation."
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Don't get too excited. Bush only spoke to quiet down the people, he won't do anything. He already said the process for a pardon is a long one (which it doesn't have to be).

True, this should never have gone to trial for the charges that were presented and the DA gave the illegal drug runner IMMUNITY to testify! The border union says at most the guys should have gotten a reprimand.
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Funny that you should read anger from bold asserted letters, Pavlovs Dog.



btw...do you always anger so quickly?
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Attempted murder, and these tree hugging liberals want to give them a parade.

Let us know how much you love them when they shoot your kid for pointing a lunch bag at them.
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Too bad they the smugglers weren't killed
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Civil rights violations were dropped since the drug smuggler was not an American citizen. Rightly, the other charges remained, but the penalities were too harsh.

I rally when the penalities do not fit the crime especially when people do the jobs they were assigned to do, and thereby being punished for it, yes. Pavlovs dog.


"Ramos and Compean were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a deadly weapon, obstruction of justice, and a civil rights violation."

 Quoting: Jammer

the penalties do not fit the crime for many "drug" and "drug related" offenses. i'm sure you know that though.

so it's their job to shoot people in the back? claim there was a gun when none were found?

btw...i've heard that using capital letters is shouting and you were the only one doing it.
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then again.

it seems to me that those who are holding office and taking oaths to keep law...should not be breaking them...and when they do...they should get more time for the offenses they do.

so in that light...they didn't probably get enough time...and should be held in the same prison areas with those they helped get ungodly amounts of time handed down to them.
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Shouting is another form of assertion and still does not equate to anger. I was merely asserting something that someone may have overlooked. Can you actually hear that?

Pavlov's Dog= The training of dogs (and humans) to drool on command. This training may also include responding to a particular stimulus, SUCH AS ALL CAPITAL LETTERS.

lmao
btw...i've heard that using capital letters is shouting and you were the only one doing it.
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You are not in command of any theoretical law and the dispensation of such law, therefore your point is mute.

then again.

it seems to me that those who are holding office and taking oaths to keep law...should not be breaking them...and when they do...they should get more time for the offenses they do.

so in that light...they didn't probably get enough time...and should be held in the same prison areas with those they helped get ungodly amounts of time handed down to them.
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Bush should indict his FATHER for heroin smuggling and peodphilla and at the same time, put HIMSELF in prison for fugg'n men in the whore *cough* I mean white house.
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even a broken clock is right once a day...
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I'm sorry, that should be twice a day. AM and PM, ooops...

even a broken clock is right once a day...
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I'm sorry , analog clock, the numbers go from 1 to 12
and then start over.

but I guess you're too young to know about that.
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OK then, hourglass, there are 24 hours in the day, so either way it is "twelve o'clock" twice a day.

However I suppose you are too old to understand. Read down there, my signature, just for you!

I'm sorry , analog clock, the numbers go from 1 to 12
and then start over.

but I guess you're too young to know about that.
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Re: GOOD NEWS!!!-Bush Considering Pardon for Border Agents Convicted of Shooting Mexican Drug Runner
Civil rights violations were dropped since the drug smuggler was not an American citizen. Rightly, the other charges remained, but the penalities were too harsh.

I rally when the penalities do not fit the crime especially when people do the jobs they were assigned to do, and thereby being punished for it, yes. Pavlovs dog.


"Ramos and Compean were fired after their convictions on several charges, including assault with a deadly weapon, obstruction of justice, and a civil rights violation."


the penalties do not fit the crime for many "drug" and "drug related" offenses. i'm sure you know that though.

so it's their job to shoot people in the back? claim there was a gun when none were found?

btw...i've heard that using capital letters is shouting and you were the only one doing it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 184764


Apparently you trust the word of an illegal and drug smuggler over the border agents. If they believed he had a gun, they had a right to shoot. He did not stop and besides as far as the gun goes, the authorities didn't even have the illegal until days later so who is to say he didn't take the gun with him. Some people are so stupid.
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The problem as I see it is they got caught, They should have shot that drug running POS in the head then buried his bloody, stinky corpse deep in the desert

Although this guy's butt wound was treated in a US hospital, FREE OF CHARGE, he's suing the US for 5 million bucks

The really outrageous thing is he'll probably get it
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