Why won't Jehovah's Witnesses accept the authority of the papacy like Christians do?

Protestants generally are not critical of their old mother cult.

The Vatican fulfillment of Rev 17&18 is God-given confirmation of the truth of Jesus Christ. The Fulfillment reveals that such as the Inquisitions were not Christian activities, but rather Papist activities.

People need to know this

Though many modern alleged "Christians" are oblivious to and/or deny the following fulfillment,
many others have seen the fulfillment for centuries. It was a main battle-cry of the Reformation era Protestants
and was common knowledge in Protestant circles until a few decades ago [as Protestantism lost it’s salty savor/corrupted].

One presents EVIDENCE in order to convince.
Prophecy fulfilment is EVIDENCE.

Servants of Jesus seek to convince all that the NT is true, and Jesus is Lord.
Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto His servants ..." Rev 1:1

Servants of Jesus see the Vatican's perfect, unique, visible and verifiable fulfillment
of the Revelation's ch 17&18 description of the Great Whore Mother is highly significant,
precious God-given EVIDENCE confirming the truth of the NT and Lordship of Jesus

Seeing the Vatican for what it is in the sight of Jesus sheds great light on past, present and future.

The following is a correlation of some of the Revelations descriptions, and unique fulfillment
found in well known facts re: the Vatican.

From chapters 17 & 18 …. IFO = IN FULFILLMENT OF

Rev 17:2 '.....with whom the kings of the earth committed immorality....'.
IFO 17:2 - Immoral ties of the Vatican with earthly rulers are presently and historically verifiable.

Rev 17:4 '.....and the woman was clothed in purple and scarlet...'.
IFO 17:4 - Find a picture of the Cardinals in full costume.

Rev 17:5 '.....Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots....'.
IFO 17:5 - The Vatican calls herself the 'mother' 'church' because the denominations came out of her.
The denominations share her perversion.

Rev 17:6 '.....drunk with the blood of saints...'.
IFO 17:6 - Study the inquisitions. A policy of murder & torture of real people, carried out openly over centuries.

Inspired and directed by men who claim to be the unique and direct representatives of Jesus Christ.

Rev 17:9 '.....seven hills on which the woman sits....'.
IFO 17:9 - Rome is uniquely famous for its seven hills.

NO OTHER city nearly as famously nicknamed “city of 7 hills” as Rome has been since before NT was written.

For centuries the consensus of Roman Catholic and non-RC commentators was that Rome was the Revelation "city of 7 hills"
... just RC commentators claimed it meant pre-Papal Rome. [many still claim this]

Naturally with a billion Papist in the world, the truth regarding the Great Whore is oft disputed
and RCs are happy to claim the “city of 7 hills” is any city other than Rome.

Rev 17:15 '.....The waters which you saw where the woman sits, are peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues....'.
IFO 17:15 - The worldwide influence of the Vatican is obvious.

Rev 17:18 '.....and the woman you saw is the great city which reigns over the kings of the earth...'.
IFO 17:18 -The popes long ruled openly over the kings of the known world. Every king knew that
if he bucked the papacy, then the pope would - could - did encourage the citizens to revolt.
This principle is still in practice today.

Rev 18:4 '.....voice from heaven saying: Come out of her MY people...'.
IFO 18:4 - Some R.C.'s belong to Jesus and will come out.

[they will also come out of the denominations]
This is happening now, and has happened before.

Rev 18:12-19 ....describes the great wealth of the great whore.
IFO 18:12-19- Vatican's financial assets [open & hidden] are enormous.

The Revelation says there is a great whore in the city of 7 hills.
Lo and behold, there is.

Most commentators place the writing of the Revelation at around 90AD, well before the Vatican existed.

This visible and verifiable fulfillment is God-given evidence confirming the truth of Jesus Christ.
"Come out of her MY people..." [Rev.18:4]

Seeing the fulfillment is a faith strengthening blessing.
Being in denial is not.

Seeing the Vatican for what it is in the sight of Jesus sheds great light on past, present and future.

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JWs literally believe that a Catholic was given the holy spirit ("ability to read the bible that only a JW church member can") and then you claim all Christians are part of the Catholic church.

It literally makes zero sense at all.

Christians are people who have faith in Jesus Christ.

Have you ever read the Bible? It says to not argue between churches (not one church, but several).

God did tell us his name. Jesus.

Another KJV only ignoramus that hasn't read the preface to the original 1611 KJV I see. The textus receptus was translated by a Catholic humanist and dedicated to Pope Leo X.

I don't even know what point you're trying to make. And God's name if not Jesus Christ. Christ isn't even name.

New York city also is a city built on 7 hills. Revelations was written well before New York City was built.

New york city 7 hills....what?

And he did respond thah question friend...

Ok......

The point i'm making is that the church is anyone who believes and follows in Jesus.

You made a statement: That because of the Council of Nicea all churches were part of the Catholic Church which is false.

Secondly, you ignored that the word Jehovah wasn't written until the year 1270a.d. by a ROMAN CATHOLIC.

Lastly, you are ignoring that there have always been multiple churches (not one) and they started in homes and that the Bible specifically teaches not to argue between churches.

The only way that you can convenience people to join your church is to argue with them that they are wrong and not true Christians. But, if they refute you, it just cycles back to your brain that everyone is going to attack the JW church at Armageddon. So, it just reinforces your views.

Personally, I think you should just chill out, its fine if you want to talk to people about Jesus Christ (the messiah).

But there are Christians who know Jesus...that are not part of the JW church which means that you will have to rethink what you have been told.

Jehovah is not the name of God. Jesus is Yaweh. That's why God gave Jesus his name above all others, so we could know his name. It's right there in the Bible.

Doesn't that make more sense than a translation from a Roman Catholic in 1270a.d.?

It does to me.

I didn't ignore the name Jehovah, I haven't even used it in this thread and I'm obviously not JW.

No, Jesus is not YHWH.

And yes, all representatives at Nicea were a part of the Orthodox-Catholic church. Regardless if they were from Alexandria or Antioch they were still a part of the pentarchy and the Roman empire, under the authority of emperor Constantine.

Is there any other religion on the face of this planets who's adherents speaks so smugly and self-assured about subject they really don't have a clue about? Imagine a Jew speaking like this.

So, you are not a Catholic, you are not a JW, but you think all Christians accept the hierachy of the Catholic Church because of the Council Of Nicea?

They do not, now nor did they when they had the meeting.

Maybe you should read:

Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches
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This a list of churches that are "part of the Catholic church".

I already told you nothing was even remotely finalized at Nicea. And yes, Christian are under Catholic authoritive because they consider the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed and the Chalcedonian Creed authoritative.

Thread: 27 February 380 AD; the single most important document in the history of Christianity, and perhaps even mankind.

No, we believe Jesus has all authority and we have no hierarchy. The only authority is Jesus. That is THE CHURCH.

The CHURCH IS CHRIST. Not the CATHOLIC CHURCH!

Yes, that's how the lipservice goes, but I'm talking facts.

I read in the translator's note of the KJV that they considered the roman church a true church at a time:

"Namely, that at such time as the professors and teachers of CHRISTIANITY in the church of Rome, then a true Church, ..."

Anybody can go here and select page 6 to read it: [link to www.originalbibles.com (secure)]

No, your not.

Now where are the christians who say that the roman church was evil since day 1? Adventist and remnantofgod website?

You can claim that I'm not but that won't change the fact that I am. The majority of Christianity is founded on the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed and the Chalcedonian Creed defining the trinity and the hypostatic union and nature of Christ. It's ridiculous to even deny.

"Come"?

Que?

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The Vatican fulfillment of Rev 17&18 is God-given confirmation of the truth of Jesus Christ. The Fulfillment reveals that such as the Inquisitions were not Christian activities, but rather Papist activities.

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The extant New Testament of the Vaticanus contains the Gospels, Acts, the General Epistles, the Pauline Epistles, and the Epistle to the Hebrews (up to Hebrews 9:14, καθα[ριει); it is lacking 1 and 2 Timothy, Titus, Philemon, and Revelation.

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do you understand what this means missing these epistles?


Luke 4:4King James Version (KJV)

4 And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.


Luke 4:4New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised Catholic Edition (NRSVACE)

4 Jesus answered him, ‘It is written, “One does not live by bread alone.”’

what's missing?

live by every word of God.

that is today's versions.

the vaticanus codex missing 5 books one of those is revelation.

titus and timothy tell us that the church must have elders and deacons.

yes 2 bishops in each city and deacons they must be married with children and other biblical commandments .

even there own new translation says this

Titus 1:5- 9 New Revised Standard Version, Anglicised Catholic Edition (NRSVACE)
5 I left you behind in Crete for this reason, that you should put in order what remained to be done, and should appoint elders in every town, as I directed you: 6 someone who is blameless, married only once,[c] whose children are believers, not accused of debauchery and not rebellious. 7 For a bishop,[d] as God’s steward, must be blameless; he must not be arrogant or quick-tempered or addicted to wine or violent or greedy for gain; 8 but he must be hospitable, a lover of goodness, prudent, upright, devout, and self-controlled. 9 He must have a firm grasp of the word that is trustworthy in accordance with the teaching, so that he may be able both to preach with sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict it.

but who am i that the pope would listen too? or his own bible?

Ok, so we got the hierarchy or other churches are part of the catholic church part out of the wa because it's simply not true and you have rephrased your statement to focusing on the trinity/godhead.

I don't deny that many/most churches believe in the trinity/godhead.

That doesn't mean they are the same church as Catholics. It means that we the church (faith in Jesus Christ).

What exactly are you trying to figure out? Because the answer to your question is, most churches do not accept the authority of the papacy. The only authority is Christ.

"Come in the flesh"?

"Come"?

It means they are under her authority, knowing or unknowing. The primacy of the Roman See was declared the exact same time the trinity was enforced.

Don't pull a muscle.

Ever heard of docetism.

Where did he come from?