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The Global Warming SCAM

 
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(not for his spelling though!)

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THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT READ:
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JUST LIKE OTHER PLANETS WE HAVE OBSERVED DOING THIS, THE EARTH CHANGES IT'S EQUATORIAL SPIN AXIS ALSO.

News Flash : See THIS PAGE on some coming earth changes. On Dec.21 , 2012, at 11a.m., the Earth will pass into the "photon belt" for one full year. This photon belt is what must be the charging mechanism to give our planet's iron core increased spin rate, as it has been slowing since the last shift, evident magnetic resonance measurements of the core. The photon belt will also provide an environment much closer to lightspeed interaction of all particles. For a greater understanding of this, see the hideout page- linkable on the bottom of this one. When earth passes into this belt, all living entities will experience a greater consciousness. Ie; a spiritual awakening, as many have predicted. The shortest explanation for this: Nerves will be in an environment where they easily replicate, and where neuro transmitters can find and sense eachother over greater distances. Accelerated healing and accelerated evolution will be occurring constantly for one full year!

Back to the subject: JUST LIKE OTHER PLANETS, EARTH CHANGES IT'S EQUATOR ALSO

"That's absurd!!!"... Most anyone you would ask on the street may tell you this if you confront them with the idea that the earth 'flips' every few thousand years.

I didn't beleive it myself at first, but the truth is in the proof, which by the way is rather overwhelming. You might even wonder why you haven't seen this on world news. Many astronomers know well that Saturn and Jupiter both undergo sudden rotational axis changes every so many years. These larger planets change axis not 120degrees like earth, but in much smaller increments. Saturn ticks almost like a clock with sudden 15degree equator shifts.

The evidence:

What evidence could there be that the earth flipped 120degrees around 10,000 years ago?.. and does so every few thousand years? Get out your world globe or see images below.

Before I continue, keep in mind, if the earth were to undergo a flip, certified engineers have estimated that sea levels would rise 200 feet! This would put most of what we know as civilization underwater. Also, if this does happen periodically, then there was no iceage- as the previous spin axis would leave most to beleive that there was if the earth actually did spin on the same axis all the time. This couldn't work however, since the earth is a temporary magnet, and the orientation of this magnet in connection with the sun's flow of particles allows the north pole to be only within around 90 degrees of offset from the sun's pole. Most of my information I've derived from Walter C.Wright's "Gravity is a Push" book.[Carlton Press, NY, NY. I've found more information in addition which is vital to the theory. First consider the tectonic plates. Everyone knows all continents came from one land mass, but why? Easy! The point where all continents have origionated is the same point at which the earth changes it's spin axis from during every shift! The earth rises from a point near Spain, and is sucked into a point just above NewZealand (east of Australia). Secondly, the earth must have a basis for this shift. You may have heard of 'lay lines' or the earth's own 'energy grid'. The grid is a system which gives order to the earth in it's connection to the rest of the solar system. If there was no 'order', the earth would have fallen into the sun along with the rest of the planets long ago. For every yin there is a yang. To keep it short, the sun releases modulating gravity waves which are many thousands of miles apart. Planets do something similar but on a smaller scale. Saturn and Jupiter are known by astronomers to change their axis of spin more often than earth, but in smaller degree increments. If Mars didn't do this, how else could one explain it's vast dry canyons where massive rivers once flowed? It is obvious Mars undergoes shifts which when they come, cause ice caps to melt and reform at another point on it's surface. The entire solar system works much like an invisible system of GEARS, moving along like a swiss watch. These 'gears' are based upon energy grid lines, I would say most obviously, as there is no other system strong enough to explain this action. The grid is known well by many. The Pentagon, in Wash.D.C. was constructed directly upon the intersection of 5 main grid lines. Stonehenge, and the Bermuda Triangle rest directly in the center of major grid line intersections. Most fault lines run with grid lines, the great pyramid in Ejypt was built on a main intersection point. I could go on and on. To put it simply, the earth is a temporary magnet. It's gears wear out. The grid will readjust to form new gears based upon it's grid when these old ones wear out too much to put up with the earth's wobble caused by the polar caps increasing in size. If a meteorite were to strike the earth, enveloping it in blackness from airborne dust for 30 days, the caps would freeze so much so, that the earth would wobble out of control. There is a point where this axis shift takes place, and is at or near Minsk, Russia. Based upon the evidence to follow, and comparing this with the earth's present spin axis, I have triangulated the near exact point in which the earth will spin next. You can click upon any one of the 3 images to enlarge photos I have taken of my modified earth globe. The new equator is outlined in red. It may be off as much as 100 miles in places due to poor images I have relating to the world grid.



People have found many frozen wooly mammoths in N.Siberia and the following are points of interest in regard to these frozen mammoths.

1. Studies have indicated that these animals did not originate as Arctic animals, and they would not survive under Arctic conditions.

2. They had parts of their last meal between their teeth and on their tongues, which apparently they did not seem to have time to swallow.

3. The cells of his body are preserved for thousands of years due to his being frozen.

4. He died without any sign of violence.

5. No one seems to know how these mammoths were quick frozen.

6. To preserve him properly, he has to be quick frozen.

7. It had to be a very tremendous cold in a very short period of time, or otherwise the center of the mammother could have remained warm enough to allow decomposition to start.

8. Mammoth steaks were taken to London and eaten by the Royal Society.

9. These frozen mammoths have always been found on plains a little above sea level but never in mountains.

10. They found buttercups in their mouths and buttercups will not grow even at 40 degrees Fahrenheit and they will not bloom without long daily periods of sunlight.

11. They were found to have been frozen 10,000 years ago by the radio carbon dating method.

12. Scientists beleive that at sometime in the past, either the poles were not where they are located today, or this area of the earth's surface that lie about the poles now were someplace else at one time.

Here is the answer to the frozen mammoth riddle, "He was eating buttercups in the warm tropics and then all of a sudden the earth flipped."

Off the coast of Spitzbergen they have found frozen coral reefs and palm trees which points to the fact that Spitzbergen was once in the tropics.

Antarctica has coal, which means trees once grew there, so Antarctica used to be in a much warmer climate.

The Salton sea, The Great Salt Lake, many small lakes in the U.S.,and Lake Omo in Ethiopia shows signs of drying up 10,000 years ago.

In New South Wales, Australia, they have found an old magnetic north pole which is 120 degrees from where it should be. 120 degrees of shift 3 times completes a circle about a triangle. The earth's grid about the estimated shift point is in the shape of a triangle.

Scientists of the world have estimated that modern civilization started 10,000 years ago.

The Bible mentions Noah's ark , see;{Genesis 7:11:}{Genisis 6:17:}

Recently off the east coast of Canada they made a boring in the ocean's floor and within this was found small seashells which attach themselves to the bottom in 'clumps'. These clumps have twists due to specific paticle flows in and around the earth, just as hurricanes have twists as seen in the image below;

... or water escaping down a drainhole has a twist. The twist runs the opposite direction from one side of the equator to the other. Areas of no twist are on the equator itself.

According to several layers of boring here and elsewhere, the earth's clamshell clumps having twist factors in their groupings are evidence that the earth's magnetic poles must change 120 degrees every few thousand years, as these must base their twist factors from the same effect as hurricanes. In relation to the sun, no planet can change too much in it's relation of poles. Suns feed planets particles which release back to the sun in a loop. This is an action of the solarsphere's system. If the earth's poles shifted only, this would create a serious problem with the system. Another interesting thing to consider is the force involved when the earth suddenly changes spin axis. This same force which brought the continents apart may cause new continents to emerge from the ocean's depths after this next spin axis change. Some may fall, some may rise. Considering all the evidence, it is possible for the earth to 'stretch out' in such a way that a new continent could rise from the mid south pacific ocean. It is also possible that South America may nearly become connected with Antarctica. Since man has not been around long enough to record any previous changes in axis, we must look for other sources of evidence..{please refer to Walter C.Wright's "Gravity is a Push" for source evidence resources.}

When could the next 120 degree axis shift take place?

Pointing from 3 major sources of what I would call evidence... keeping in mind the only thing we could really call evidence would be earth core rotation speed of which we have no bearing in which to measure how slow it can really go... Source 1: Great pyramid, Egypt: a timeline in the form of a solid hallway has predicted the last 2 world wars to perfection in it's hallway turns. This hallway describes each foot to be 1 year. Soon the hallway ends, in 2012, and at the end of this hallway is a room with a hole in the floor. Source 2: Mayan prediction: The Mayans built a large stone gear predicting several major earth events without fault, but what is more interesting is that the gear wheel runs out of teeth to move upon in 2012. Source 3: A new book entitled, "The Bible Code", which shows that based on mathematical improbabilities pointing to certain texts in the bible in it's origional language, describes that in 2012, a large comet will break up in earth's atmosphere; This is precisely what would trigger a sudden axis shift, because a sudden cooling of the earth from a surrounding dust cloud would cause the north and south poles to freeze so large, that the earth would wobble out of control, quite easily settling upon it's new rotational axis as it span upon just about 24000 years ago. This is by the way an extraordinay book which was written after the auther discovered his 'bible code' predictions to have come true already.

Additional Earth news; An enourmous galactic particle eruption wave possible... (Hazardous) Evidence I haven't confirmed but have decided to ad it to the site anyway. Click here to see the page

Bible skeptic? C.I.A. spy sattelite recently declassified this image... perhaps you can guess what it is.
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I agree its a scam. Some dumb asses will believe anything.
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You know, I used going to France with my family when I was a little boy.
Last year, I went to the alpes again. I hadn't been there for the last 5 or 6 years. Guess what happened with the glaciers???
Global Warming a scam ? Then explain me this :
- Temperatures failed to drop below 7 or 8 degrees Celsius during winter this year (15 years ago it frooze for weeks in the same period)
- Summer temperatures are extremely high since the last 4 or 5 years
- Extreme rain during months of July/August
- crops suffering from draught
etc... etc... etc... And I am talking about East Flanders in Belgium ALONE.
Those who say that Global Warming is a scam, how do you explain THAT???

Time to wake up guys. Until now, I did not do any prediction on GLP, but I can assure you if we keep going on the way we have been doing for the last decade, the planet Earth will not be what she used to be within 2 decades. (And YES, I saw an inconvenient thruth, and NO, I am not influenced by it as that movie did not tell me anything new. In my opinion, the possible consequences of global warming are depicted even rather moderate as there is no explanation of the detailed consequences if the permafrost in Siberia thaws or if the conveyor belt of warm/cold water stops running : it's only a 10 min. thing in the movie while it's those things which will turn parts of the planet into an ice age and other parts of the planet in an extreme heat)

GreetZ,
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Im the last person here that would side with the seven sisters but friends, global warming has nothing to do with humans nor do humans have it in thier power to have any worthwile or significant effect upon the outcome without a miracle.

The probelem with science is that advanced degrees are always in a certain field, most people are just not "dynamically" knowledgable in all the pertinent fields to recognize the co relation between them. Meteorologists don't study astrophysics, generally, so of course they're not going to recognize the signifance of astophysical changes. The simple fact is the Sun is PROBABLY reaching the end of it's main hydrogen sequence and beginning to fuse helium, and it's photospheric temperature and overall radiation output are increasing quite rapidly. this is the cause of all the "white sun" talk, as the photosphere increases in temeperature there is a corresponding change in it collor, from yellow -white to silvery -white.

Very few of us alive in the 60s deny the Sun once had a more yellow hue.

These facts ARE known to to the so called powers that be.

Now you ask why blame it on big oil if you're bottom line depends on energy revenues? The alternative is far worst. So long as people believe global warming has a human cause, they'll believe it has a human solution. Were the vast majotity of humans to be told that significant changes in the Sun had occured causing a constant rise in temperatures thast is irreversable, widespread civil disorder would be the inevitable result. With no future to consider, the oppressed peoples would lose all inhibitions and purge the elite classes through inevitably violent civil unrest. Human nature. Poor people hate rich people, the only thing that keeps the underpriveledged and oppresed from just killing "TPTB" (or "them", if you prefer) is thier own possible futures they are hopeful of. take away that possibility and boom, instant world wide socio-economic revolution, class warfare.
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It's too late, all we can do are waiting to die!
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Ah.... what the heck. I was just joking in my previous post.
Global warming IS a FACT. Basta. Just look at the stats and dig up some basic chemistry courses and you'll see how CO2 is related to the greenhouse effect. And then look at how much CO2 we are putting in our atmosphere...
And what I told about the sun : that IS a part of the cause of course...
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Science does not always correctly distinguish between environmental changes, which are caused by nature, and those, which are caused by man. The warming which is melting the ice shelves in West Antarctica is one case of mistaken identity. The warming in the region is thought to be caused by (the Industrial Age) discharging "greenhouse gases" into the upper atmosphere. The truth is very different.

The US is stated in news coverage as the biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, yet the ozone hole is located where? Over the *least* populated area in the world.

"The cradle of the changes in the world climate is the Weddell Sea in West Antarctica. The Weddell Sea is the Earth's Yoni; the point where her Core (an unborn Moon) will come out, so understandably there is a lot of activity going on under the Weddell Sea floor as her time to give birth draws closer. The activity is increased from late August until early October."

Not only is the climate change natural, the weather changes are going to increase with intensity and frequency. These weather events are related to the growing inner Core of our Earth and directly where a Moon comes from as the Earth stands on the brink of the next step of evolution.

"Perfectly naturally, within the body of the Earth, light objects float upward towards the surface and heavy objects sink downward towards the Core: differentiation. Heavy objects are constantly sinking down and adding their weight to that of the Core, thus it is natural and unavoidable that the Core grows in size and weight, and indeed the Core is constantly growing in the "belly" of the Earth. The Core of the earth is a solid mass of iron comparable to the size of the Moon.

The following knowledge is known and has been suppressed, awaiting ‘discovery’ by one or other scientist who will doubtless receive the Nobel award for the discovery. The discovery will be accompanied by great concern for mankind and will be the first point in a series of events to
frighten mankind out of his wits in the hope that he will be willing to evacuate the earth.

The earth, as everyone knows, rotates in the counter-clockwise direction, the Truth is that the core rotates in the clockwise direction, that is to say, the core and the earth are two separate bodies having opposite rotation. Once you know this fact it becomes clear that the great waves of liquid rock inside the earth, surrounding the core, are created by friction. The body of the earth and the body of the core rotating in opposite directions cause friction and the friction causes heat, the heat melts the metal and rocks at their interface.

As my grandfather shared: Pahana scientists call Her Egg, the Core of the Earth. They know it exists, they know it is mostly iron, they argue among themselves about the nature of the Egg. Pahana scientists do not believe our Earth Mother is alive, to Pahana scientists She is just a "Planet", not a Mother and Her Nohu is just a Ball of Iron of no importance. They do not know it will come out. They do not know it is this Egg, growing bigger every day, which causes our Mother's motion to slow down, they do not know it is the growing Egg which causes all the weather changes we now witness. Maybe if they knew the Egg was going to be hatched soon they would work even faster to build a space station and to "save" themselves from Purification.

The 'elite' that control this world, know the cause of the climate change and know the inner Core will be ejected and they will gladly instill fear in the hearts of mankind of our beloved home planet and the natural Holy Event approaching our Earth and throughout our Solar System. They will gladly entice people to abandon our home planet. The time will come when the temptation of time travel will be presented to you and shown as a wonderful discovery, but it will be a sad day for mankind.

The attempts to share sacred knowledge of the Holy Event that is unfolding under our feet is so people understand the naturalness of the Event, because the climatic changes will increaseboth in quantity and intensity, and a very tragic day will come when the Illuminati, using science
as a medium to get their message across, will use the Earth's pregnancy to strike terror inpeoples hearts. The Event involves the Birth of the Aeon (the inner-Core which is an unbornMoon) through the Earth’s Yoni in the Antarctica, it will be preceded by strong birth-pangs, and
certainly there will be great upheaval, but without the upheaval there would be no Purification, no Renewal, no *progressive* evolution."

[link to thebeloveddisciple.org]

May people choose wisely to abide within God's Laws and face the natural evolutionary cycle approaching with courage and loyalty by remaining within this time-frame and this the beloved Land we come from to progress to higher life.
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to global warming scam believers (bushies and dittoheads):

The american enterprise institute (funded mostly by exxon) will pay $10,000 to any scientist who will debunk global warming. announced today. go at it fellas.

while you're at it, mention how god made the world in 7 days and the world is only 5000 years old. I smell a nobel prize here, guys.
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Ah.... what the heck. I was just joking in my previous post.
Global warming IS a FACT. Basta. Just look at the stats and dig up some basic chemistry courses and you'll see how CO2 is related to the greenhouse effect. And then look at how much CO2 we are putting in our atmosphere...
And what I told about the sun : that IS a part of the cause of course...
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imatation is the most sincere form of flatery, but you arent imitatung me very effectively.
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[link to news.independent.co.uk]

or reference the new UN report (the parts they do not want to talk about).

If you want to reduce global warming; kill a cow.
Man is contributing some by CO2 emissions but the livestock is a bigger factor. If you are serious about the problem then use a solution that can be imposed immediately. Reduce the amount of livestock in the world. This would be a lot cheaper and faster than anything involving CO2.
The current debate is bull, politics, and wealth transfer and I recognize it as such.
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just maybe it was caused by men trying to control the weather for upwards of fourty years


Project Popeye conducted in 1966 attempted to extend the monsoon season in order to increase the amount of mud on the Ho Chi Minh trail thereby reducing enemy movements. A silver iodide nuclei agent was dispersed from WC-130, F4 and A-1E aircraft into the clouds over portions of the
trail winding from North Vietnam through Laos and Cambodia into South Vietnam. Positive results during this initial program led to continued operations from 1967-1972.

Popeye is only the starting point.
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''So the solution is clear, planet more forests.''

EXACTAFUCKINMUNDO!

give the man a gold star!

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Scientists in Germany have discovered that ordinary plants produce significant amounts of methane, a powerful greenhouse gas which helps trap the sun's energy in the atmosphere.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

That's how little is known by scientists never mind the average person in the street.
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Blind and stupid, the evidence is ample how are you missing it?
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Yes the evidence is ample...It all points to the Sun...

Stop ignoring it...
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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It's the sun that's warming the earth not man.
The sun is on a rampage, and it is supposedly in a solar
minimum. It is reacting to the galactic super wave of gravitation emitted from the massive black hole at the center of our galaxy. The earth will cross the galactic wave
in 2012.
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it is not the sun
it is the chems in our air that causes the heat

why is it colder as you climb higer in mountains ?
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Blind and stupid, the evidence is ample how are you missing it?


Yes the evidence is ample...It all points to the Sun...

Stop ignoring it...
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Yes, it's not our fault, so let's not take any responsibility for it, and for heavens sake let's not do anything about it.

"A high degree of correlation between surface temperatures and solar irradiance, or its proxies, can be expected only if solar variability has been the dominant source of climate change. This is probably not the case, especially in recent decades, when anthropogenic effects must have been making significant contributions. Furthermore, the irradiance variations that have been estimated from proxy sources in recent decades appear to be too small to explain the observed temperature variations, based on our current understanding of the climate system. Attempts have been made to include other sources of climate variability in model calculations to evaluate the relative importance of solar forcing by comparison with the temperature record. Schlesinger and Ramankutty [1992] in particular concluded that intercyclic variations in solar irradiance have probably been significant contributors, but that the dominant role has been played by increases in greenhouse gas emissions. "

[link to www.agu.org]
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stfu
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Fear is a tool of control, sure..

Dumbing down people with mindless spin works far better though..

The Earth is entirely poluted with MANMADE toxic substances.

You BREATH and you EAT and you DRINK >>>> radioactive food, water and air thanks to nuclear testing/powerstations/weapons.

Our rivers and oceans and our skies are saturated with toxic waste.

We are running out of fresh water supply.

We are running out of trees.

It's VERY simple really.

No need to write 'big essays' here, unless ofcourse you have something to SPIN.

Anyone who does not "fear" the present unhealthy condition of our Planet Earth is an IDIOT!

YOUR SURVIVAL INSTINCTS HAVE BEEN DUMBED DOWN TO THE EXTEND THAT THEY DO NO LONGER EXIST!

Sure, this thread is about "global warming" I know..

That issue exactly is the problem.

The PTB, with the aid of the corrupted media, make us all quarrel about whether or not there is global warming.

Strictly scientific, we will have to wait a couple of generation in order to collect all the data needed to have an 'informed opinion'..

By that time, we are already all dead from POLUTION, so who gives a shit really about global warming?

Wake up people..

GLOBAL POLUTION IS THE REAL NUMBER ONE ISSUE!

We need to deal with it NOW.

For solving the issue of how to deal with THE FACT of our GLOBALLY CHANGING CLIMATE (regardless whatever you believe is the cause!),..

..there may still be time later.




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Nonfroid
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Your point is perfectly illustrated by the complete lack of response it received.

Thanks for putting it out there anyway. This I found from a kindred spirit: thethoughts.co.uk/thoughts/distraction-is-control

Quote:
Distraction is Control

The methods of control are increasing day by day; some are subtle others are extremely overt. The media (yes I appreciate the irony) will tell you nearly all you need to know about this – but not just with what it says – and not even in what it doesn’t say. Rather you can find volumes in the people who have been watching and reading. The media incites our reactions; it brings out of us the very worst of our opinionated hostility. A new hot topic comes up on the evening news, the next day everyone will be talking about it over their lunch, or in the tea room, or whilst queuing in the bank. Everyone has their say, their opinion, and their “facts”. And we all choose our side of the argument based on what we have thought.

But…

Based on our own thoughts…or alternatively those thoughts expressed in the media? Are these really our own opinions – or merely unconsidered reactions based upon numerous pre-existing ideals and experiences fed to us from external sources?
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Hi Gunner!

"Your point is perfectly illustrated by the complete lack of response it received."

It sure is nice to have a brief contact from beyond the matrix..LOL!

Thanks for the link too, it's an interesting read there and 'kindred' indeed.

see ya.

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[link to news.bostonherald.com]

"Alarmists, Just Chill Out

By Joseph D’Aleo/ As You Were Saying...
Saturday, February 3, 2007 - Updated: 12:50 PM EST

Boston is fortunate to have the very best cadre of television meteorologists in the nation. But some viewers are criticizing the broadcasters for not being more engaged in the climate change debate.

Despite what some in the national and local media would like to believe, most meteorologists and climatologists are, like the public, very nearly evenly divided on the issue of man-made global warming. Most will concede man has an effect on the climate through urbanization, land use changes and our introduction of aerosols and greenhouse gases. However, most also recognize that natural factors are at play. Long-term cycles on the sun and the multi-decade cycles in the Pacific have resulted in more El Ninos since 1978 and doubled the number of hurricanes in the Atlantic since 1995.


A 1997 survey found that 73 percent of American State Climatologists, the people who work most closely with the actual data (not models), felt that natural cycles were important drivers of climate change. In addition, a recent Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll found that most Americans do not attribute the cause of recent severe and extreme weather events to global warming, and that the portion of Americans who believe global warming is naturally occurring is on the rise.

The older generation remembers the great concern over heat and drought in the 1930s through the 1950s, and many more of us remember the media hype about an impending ice age when we experienced a cooling trend in the 1960s and 1970s. They see this current hysteria as more of the same. They correctly recognize that change is inevitable and to a large degree natural.

Although the last year has been warm here in the Boston area, we have very short memories about how severe our winters have been in recent years. From Feb. 17 to Feb. 18, 2003, a snowstorm set a new all-time record for Boston with 27.5 inches. Another storm from Jan. 24 to Jan. 25, 2005, officially brought 22.5 inches to Boston’s Logan Airport - along with bitterly cold temperatures. Many measurements near Logan even reached 28 feet, and the storm was compared to the Blizzard of ’78.

In the last dozen years, Boston has had its first, third, fifth, seventh and 12th snowiest winters in 117 years of record keeping. The 12-year average ending 2004/05 was the highest of the entire record.

Before this winter is over, we may revisit the frigid cold of January 2004, which tied for the second coldest January on record for Boston with an average of 20.7 degrees Farenheit. Boston had 11 days below 10 degrees and four days below zero with a low of minus-7. Amazingly, it was tied with 1893 for the fourth coldest month ever in Boston. The average for the three successive Januarys from 2003 through 2005 was the lowest on record since the 1880s.

The November and December warmth of 2006 is typical in most moderately strong El Ninos.

In strong El Ninos like 1997-98, it stays warm, but in weak to moderate ones, winter kicks in sometime between late December and mid-January.

This is again the case this year with cold the last half of January and soon extreme cold and snow likely in February.

But all this is weather - not climate. The extreme cold and snow in recent years are no more proof of a coming ice age than the warm early January weekend was of global warming.

Despite what the local TV meteorologist may themselves believe about the causes of climate change, it is a no-win situation to speculate whether there is more to a warm day or a major storm than just an errant jet stream and bad luck.

TV meteorologists are wise to focus on preparing and presenting to you the most accurate forecast - something our Boston weathercasters do extremely well."
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"Arctic Dips As Global Waters Rise
By Jonathan Amos
Science reporter, BBC News


Arctic ice (BBC)
Scientists say it is a unique analysis

Arctic sea level has been falling by a little over 2mm a year - a movement that sets the region against the global trend of rising waters.

A Dutch-UK team made the discovery after analysing radar altimetry data gathered by Europe's ERS-2 satellite.

It is well known that the world's oceans do not share a uniform height; but even so, the scientists are somewhat puzzled by their results.

Global sea level is expected to keep on climbing as the Earth's climate warms.

To find the Arctic out of step, even temporarily, emphasises the great need for more research in the region, the team says.


I think it's a true statement to say the Arctic Ocean is the least well understood body of water out there
Dr Seymour Laxon, UCL
"We have high confidence in the results; it's now down to the geophysics community to explain them," said Dr Remko Scharroo, from consultants Altimetrics LLC, who led the study.

Next year has been designated International Polar Year, and major oceanographic expeditions are planned to take research vessels into the northern region to sample its icy waters.

"This may provide clues as to what is causing the changes we're seeing," explained co-researcher Dr Seymour Laxon, from University College London (UCL). "I think it's a true statement to say the Arctic Ocean is the least well understood body of water out there."

The recent trend could be linked to changes in the temperature and salinity (saltiness) of Arctic waters. This would have to be investigated, he said.

Between the cracks

The European Space Agency's (Esa) ERS-2 satellite has been making observations of the Earth from its 800km-high polar orbit for over 10 years.

Its Radar Altimeter is constantly throwing down pulses of microwave energy at the land and sea. The time taken for these pulses to bounce back gives a measure of surface height.


EUROPE'S ERS-2 MISSION
ERS-2 (Esa)
Launched April 1995; works alongside Esa's lead Earth observing platform, Envisat
Equipped with two specialised radars, infrared imaging sensor, and ozone monitor
Spacecraft flies 800km-high polar orbit; covers entire globe in just three days
Wealth of data on ice cover, surface winds, vegetation, trace gases, earth movement, etc
Determining elevation trends in a large, moving mass such as an ocean is far from straightforward, however. This is especially so in the Arctic where large areas are covered with pack ice for significant periods of the year.

The satellite data, therefore, has to undergo intensive processing to produce meaningful results.

Only that data gathered over open ocean or water surfaces between cracks in the ice can be used - obviously. The data is also corrected to take account of ocean tides, wave heights, air pressure, and atmospheric effects that might bias the signal.

Working through all these sorts of issues, Dr Scharroo and colleagues have now established seasonal and yearly sea-level trends in the Arctic (from 60 to 82 degrees latitude) for the period 1995 to 2003. The analysis reveals an average 2.17mm fall per annum.

It is unique analysis for the Arctic. No comparable satellite dataset for the region exists, said Dr Scharroo

"When you get a result like this you always worry that your processing of the data may have introduced signals that are not real. But we can't find anything that we've done wrong, so that makes us think we have stumbled across something real - and we hope that will excite our colleagues," he added.

Long series

Taking a global view, ERS-2 still records a sea-level rise.

Its radar altimetry data can be meshed with that gathered by its sister spacecraft ERS-1; Europe's leading Earth-observing platform, Envisat; the US Navy's Geosat Follow-On Mission, GFO; and Nasa's highly accurate Topex-Poseidon and Jason missions.

When this is done, ocean waters are shown to have gone up across the planet by 3.2mm per year for the period 1992 to the present.


Sea level goes up and down, up and down - but in general, it rises
Andrey Proshutinsky, WHOI
This gives Scharroo and colleagues additional confidence. The plan now is to incorporate data from Envisat and ERS-1 to fill out the polar picture.

There is little that can be done at present, however, to address the caveat in satellite altimetry's view of the Arctic - the "hole" in the data above 82 degrees; no spacecraft flies above this latitude.

This gap was to have been filled by the Cryosat mission, but it was lost on launch last year. A replacement platform, Cryosat-2, will not fly until 2009.

Andrey Proshutinsky from the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution (WHOI), US, commented that it was vitally important to consider sea level using a range of scientific instruments - and to place significance only on long-term data sets.

His analysis of Russian tide gauges has also hinted at a sea-level fall during the 1990s. He said this seemed to fit with the phases of the so-called Arctic Oscillation, a seesaw pattern of change in atmospheric pressure over the polar region and mid latitudes.



Cryosat: Mission guide
"This is something like decadal variability. Sea level goes up and down, up and down - but in general, it rises," the principal investigator from WHOI's Investigation of Sea Level Rise in the Arctic project explained.

"In order to make any conclusions it's necessary to have long-term time series. We need much more data, and that's why we will have this International Polar Year. When we combine satellites, submarines, drifting buoys, and tide gauges to get more dense data, we will be able to answer these questions."

Dr Laxon said getting a clearer understanding of Arctic Ocean behaviour was important to the topical issue of ice melt in the region. Recent years have seen a dramatic pull-back in the extent of summer ice and the models do not fully account for the changes that are being observed.

"One thing that is known very poorly is the amount of heat that comes from the ocean into the ice. It could be an important factor in the retreat of ice," the UCL scientist said.

The ERS-2 Arctic sea-level analysis by Scharroo, Laxon and Andy Ridout (also of UCL) was presented at the recent American Geophysical Union Joint Assembly in Baltimore."
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Hi Gunner!

"Your point is perfectly illustrated by the complete lack of response it received."

It sure is nice to have a brief contact from beyond the matrix..LOL!

Thanks for the link too, it's an interesting read there and 'kindred' indeed.

see ya.

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Hi Nonfroid,

Same here. ;)
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"The Real Deal?

Against the grain: Some scientists deny global warming exists

Lawrence Solomon, National Post
Published: Friday, February 02, 2007

Astrophysicist Nir Shariv, one of Israel's top young scientists, describes the logic that led him -- and most everyone else -- to conclude that SUVs, coal plants and other things man-made cause global warming.

Step One Scientists for decades have postulated that increases in carbon dioxide and other gases could lead to a greenhouse effect.

Step Two As if on cue, the temperature rose over the course of the 20th century while greenhouse gases proliferated due to human activities.
Step Three No other mechanism explains the warming. Without another candidate, greenhouses gases necessarily became the cause.

Dr. Shariv, a prolific researcher who has made a name for himself assessing the movements of two-billion-year-old meteorites, no longer accepts this logic, or subscribes to these views. He has recanted: "Like many others, I was personally sure that CO2 is the bad culprit in the story of global warming. But after carefully digging into the evidence, I realized that things are far more complicated than the story sold to us by many climate scientists or the stories regurgitated by the media.

"In fact, there is much more than meets the eye."


Dr. Shariv's digging led him to the surprising discovery that there is no concrete evidence -- only speculation -- that man-made greenhouse gases cause global warming. Even research from the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change-- the United Nations agency that heads the worldwide effort to combat global warming -- is bereft of anything here inspiring confidence. In fact, according to the IPCC's own findings, man's role is so uncertain that there is a strong possibility that we have been cooling, not warming, the Earth. Unfortunately, our tools are too crude to reveal what man's effect has been in the past, let alone predict how much warming or cooling we might cause in the future.

All we have on which to pin the blame on greenhouse gases, says Dr. Shaviv, is "incriminating circumstantial evidence," which explains why climate scientists speak in terms of finding "evidence of fingerprints." Circumstantial evidence might be a fine basis on which to justify reducing greenhouse gases, he adds, "without other 'suspects.' " However, Dr. Shaviv not only believes there are credible "other suspects," he believes that at least one provides a superior explanation for the 20th century's warming.

"Solar activity can explain a large part of the 20th-century global warming," he states, particularly because of the evidence that has been accumulating over the past decade of the strong relationship that cosmic- ray flux has on our atmosphere. So much evidence has by now been amassed, in fact, that "it is unlikely that [the solar climate link] does not exist."

The sun's strong role indicates that greenhouse gases can't have much of an influence on the climate -- that C02 et al. don't dominate through some kind of leveraging effect that makes them especially potent drivers of climate change. The upshot of the Earth not being unduly sensitive to greenhouse gases is that neither increases nor cutbacks in future C02 emissions will matter much in terms of the climate.

Even doubling the amount of CO2 by 2100, for example, "will not dramatically increase the global temperature," Dr. Shaviv states. Put another way: "Even if we halved the CO2 output, and the CO2 increase by 2100 would be, say, a 50% increase relative to today instead of a doubled amount, the expected reduction in the rise of global temperature would be less than 0.5C. This is not significant."

The evidence from astrophysicists and cosmologists in laboratories around the world, on the other hand, could well be significant. In his study of meteorites, published in the prestigious journal, Physical Review Letters, Dr. Shaviv found that the meteorites that Earth collected during its passage through the arms of the Milky Way sustained up to 10% more cosmic ray damage than others. That kind of cosmic ray variation, Dr. Shaviv believes, could alter global temperatures by as much as 15% --sufficient to turn the ice ages on or off and evidence of the extent to which cosmic forces influence Earth's climate.

In another study, directly relevant to today's climate controversy, Dr. Shaviv reconstructed the temperature on Earth over the past 550 million years to find that cosmic ray flux variations explain more than two-thirds of Earth's temperature variance, making it the most dominant climate driver over geological time scales. The study also found that an upper limit can be placed on the relative role of CO2 as a climate driver, meaning that a large fraction of the global warming witnessed over the past century could not be due to CO2 -- instead it is attributable to the increased solar activity.

CO2 does play a role in climate, Dr. Shaviv believes, but a secondary role, one too small to preoccupy policymakers. Yet Dr. Shaviv also believes fossil fuels should be controlled, not because of their adverse affects on climate but to curb pollution.

"I am therefore in favour of developing cheap alternatives such as solar power, wind, and of course fusion reactors (converting Deuterium into Helium), which we should have in a few decades, but this is an altogether different issue." His conclusion: "I am quite sure Kyoto is not the right way to go.""
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So the facists are still trying to sell this stupidity.
To what end I wonder?

I look forward to hearing the idiots that support the idea of doing nothing complain about starvation... let them be the first to be turned into Solient Green.

In my view its time to follow TR's example and start nationalizing corporations that resist appropiate behavior by shirking thier responsibilities to the society.
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Whatever the human contributing factor to GW,I myself have noticed very simply,that watching the Sun through a nr10 welders glass,the Sun has become brighter over a number of months.First I observed the Sun as a light circle,later on the circle became like a flare.Observations always on a clear day round 1300hrs,summertime.
Also,while visiting english estates,I observed the National Trust use lightmeters in their windowsills and they remarked about having to move the precious furniture further away from the window each year,because of the bleaching action.So if the Sun gets brighter by the year,does that include more heat or not?
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Whatever the human contributing factor to GW,I myself have noticed very simply,that watching the Sun through a nr10 welders glass,the Sun has become brighter over a number of months.First I observed the Sun as a light circle,later on the circle became like a flare.Observations always on a clear day round 1300hrs,summertime.
Also,while visiting english estates,I observed the National Trust use lightmeters in their windowsills and they remarked about having to move the precious furniture further away from the window each year,because of the bleaching action.So if the Sun gets brighter by the year,does that include more heat or not?