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Monotheism (OP) User ID: 73065456 Sweden 11/04/2016 03:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? As a Christian Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68171219 I don't doubt Rome got in there and fuc$$$$ up a Lot of Christianity The first century Christians were nothing like the Christians today The majority of Christians today don't even identify With Jesus Christ himself as he was a man of the Middle East The roman and then the Vatican did much to mess with bible And how Christ is seen You are preaching to the choir I am a true Christian And know the real Christ who loves humanity Died a painful death on a roman cross And rose from the dead because Jesus Christ Is God on earth and no grave could keep God in it It doesn't matter what the devil has done to mess it up Christ still rose from the dead Healed the blind And is coming back soon If you think Jesus is God you're following Roman doctrine, my friend. Thread: Jesus denied being God Thread: God says the Messiah will fear God, Christians says the Messiah will be God. Or perhaps actually believing the WORD! Isaiah 43 10 - 12 10"You are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And My servant whom I have chosen, So that you may know and believe Me And understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, And there will be none after Me. 11"I, even I, am the LORD, And there is no savior besides Me. 12"It is I who have declared and saved and proclaimed, And there was no strange god among you; So you are My witnesses," declares the LORD, "And I am God. 1 John 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. John 14:1-7 “Let not your hearts be troubled. Believe in God; believe also in me. 2 In my Father's house are many rooms. If it were not so, would I have told you that I go to prepare a place for you? 3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also. 4 And you know the way to where I am going.” 5 Thomas said to him, “Lord, we do not know where you are going. How can we know the way?” 6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known me, you would have known my Father also. From now on you do know him and have seen him.” I John 2: 21-22 …I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has the Father also. If only a mere man how could Christ “make Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant”- Philippians 2:5-11New King James Version (NKJV) The Humbled and Exalted Christ 5 Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, 6 who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, 7 but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bond servant, and coming in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. 9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, 10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, 11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. John 20:24-31 24 Now Thomas, one of the Twelve, called the Twin, was not with them when Jesus came. 25 So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see in his hands the mark of the nails, and place my finger into the mark of the nails, and place my hand into his side, I will never believe.” 26 Eight days later, his disciples were inside again, and Thomas was with them. Although the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you.” 27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here, and see my hands; and put out your hand, and place it in my side. Do not disbelieve, but believe.” 28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!” 29 Jesus said to him, “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” 30 Now Jesus did many other signs in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31 but these are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name. Here He is clearly called God by Thomas. Still at it? How many times have I schooled you now? I've lost count. No, Thomas didn't call him God. "The Granville Sharp First Rule of Greek Grammar states that when you have a TSKS construction, only one person is being identified. In simple terms, this means a THE-NOUN-AND-NOUN word construction. So if a person wanted to refer to Jesus as his Lord and God it would be stated in Greek as, "the Lord and God of me." Essentially, one definite article ("the") indicates one person is in view. Trinitarians insist upon this rule at Titus 2:13 and allow no one any exceptions. However, this is not the construction Thomas used at John 20:28. Thomas used the construction which Greek speakers used to refer to two persons. (...) The Granville Sharp Sixth Rule states that when you have a TSKTS construction, two persons are in view. In simple terms, this is a THE-NOUN-AND-THE-NOUN construction. So if you wanted to refer to both your Lord and another identity who is your God, you would say, "the Lord of me and the God of me." Essentially, two definite articles ("the") indicates two persons are in view. One definite article, one person, two definite articles, two persons. However, while Trinitarians allow no one any exceptions to the first GS rule at Titus 2:13, they completely deny the sixth GS rule at John 20:28 and make a convenient exception for themselves for the sake of their doctrine." And saviour is still not a proper name. And John 17:3 is a clear is it can be. Why won't you just adress to OP? Last Edited by Monotheism on 11/04/2016 03:28 PM |
Sheshbazzar User ID: 73339661 Netherlands 11/04/2016 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? I am not Trinitarian. Was in the Russian Orthodox Church, became Arian and then was vanquished by the King of the host, Jesus. Now I am convinced that Jesus is God, and yet isn't (have you read the book of Revelation?). How sad that this came only after my mother's death, how many disputes it would have prevented. Now I am bent on destruction. I had once looked into Socinianism in connection with my Newtonian studies: newtonproject.sussex.ac.uk/prism.php?id=1 Please what do you understand by "the Word of God". |
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Deplorable No Dhimmi User ID: 15685685 United States 11/04/2016 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? I stand on the WORD - not your straw man arguments. You dismiss Scriptures you do not agree with when they are inconvenient to your view and parrot Unitarian biased "translation" rules (Even when Thayer, a Unitarian Greek Scholar states his views often counter to his own Unitarian thinking - since he had the honesty to translate based on sound practices) I have provided his work prior on your post as I am sure you remember. ALL relevant scriptures that include a time factor prove no pre-trib rapture. Over 50 verses! Kindle Edition only 99 CENTS! Biblical Eschatological “Time-Stamps” Relevant to the Last Day/Days (Amazon) |
Sheshbazzar User ID: 73339661 Netherlands 11/04/2016 04:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? I stand on the WORD - not your straw man arguments. You dismiss Scriptures you do not agree with when they are inconvenient to your view and parrot Unitarian biased "translation" rules (Even when Thayer, a Unitarian Greek Scholar states his views often counter to his own Unitarian thinking - since he had the honesty to translate based on sound practices) I have provided his work prior on your post as I am sure you remember. Quoting: Deplorable No Dhimmi Who is Jesus, according to you? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73311522 Germany 11/04/2016 04:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? As a Christian Quoting: Anonymous Coward 68171219 I don't doubt Rome got in there and fuc$$$$ up a Lot of Christianity The first century Christians were nothing like the Christians today The majority of Christians today don't even identify With Jesus Christ himself as he was a man of the Middle East The roman and then the Vatican did much to mess with bible And how Christ is seen You are preaching to the choir I am a true Christian And know the real Christ who loves humanity Died a painful death on a roman cross And rose from the dead because Jesus Christ Is God on earth and no grave could keep God in it It doesn't matter what the devil has done to mess it up Christ still rose from the dead Healed the blind And is coming back soon If you think Jesus is God you're following Roman doctrine, my friend. Thread: Jesus denied being God Thread: God says the Messiah will fear God, Christians says the Messiah will be God. Just a mention. Jesus is the Word of God. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God" John 1:1. Or, as some translations have it. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and God was the Word." How did God create? "Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."Hebrews 11:3 (backed up by science, for atoms are invisible to our eyes) Through him all things were made (The Word) John 1:3 That is really simple to understand. The subject of the sentence is the Word, or as we know him, Jesus Christ. This verse and many more tell you that Jesus Christ is the Word of God, through whom all things were created. If you cannot see it you need to re-read it again, and again. "The Word became flesh, and dwelt amongst us" What do you think that means?? When he came to Earth he came in the flesh and subjected himself to the same laws that he himself had laid out. So, at no time when he was on Earth could he claim to be God, for he had reduced himself to flesh. But he could say, "before Abraham was, I am." He also set examples to the apostles by praying. Although he himself had no need to pray, for he is the Word of God through whom all things were made. He is our Lord and our God. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73311522 Germany 11/04/2016 04:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? I stand on the WORD - not your straw man arguments. You dismiss Scriptures you do not agree with when they are inconvenient to your view and parrot Unitarian biased "translation" rules (Even when Thayer, a Unitarian Greek Scholar states his views often counter to his own Unitarian thinking - since he had the honesty to translate based on sound practices) I have provided his work prior on your post as I am sure you remember. Quoting: Deplorable No Dhimmi Who is Jesus, according to you? The Word of God, or, God talking :) . |
Sheshbazzar User ID: 73339661 Netherlands 11/04/2016 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? I stand on the WORD - not your straw man arguments. You dismiss Scriptures you do not agree with when they are inconvenient to your view and parrot Unitarian biased "translation" rules (Even when Thayer, a Unitarian Greek Scholar states his views often counter to his own Unitarian thinking - since he had the honesty to translate based on sound practices) I have provided his work prior on your post as I am sure you remember. Quoting: Deplorable No Dhimmi Who is Jesus, according to you? The Word of God, or, God talking :) . What does God say? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73311522 Germany 11/04/2016 04:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? I stand on the WORD - not your straw man arguments. You dismiss Scriptures you do not agree with when they are inconvenient to your view and parrot Unitarian biased "translation" rules (Even when Thayer, a Unitarian Greek Scholar states his views often counter to his own Unitarian thinking - since he had the honesty to translate based on sound practices) I have provided his work prior on your post as I am sure you remember. Quoting: Deplorable No Dhimmi Who is Jesus, according to you? The Word of God, or, God talking :) . What does God say? God told us to love him and love our fellow humans. |
Monotheism (OP) User ID: 73065456 Sweden 11/04/2016 04:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? I stand on the WORD - not your straw man arguments. You dismiss Scriptures you do not agree with when they are inconvenient to your view and parrot Unitarian biased "translation" rules (Even when Thayer, a Unitarian Greek Scholar states his views often counter to his own Unitarian thinking - since he had the honesty to translate based on sound practices) I have provided his work prior on your post as I am sure you remember. Quoting: Deplorable No Dhimmi I refuted that too, remember? Nothing about your pagan religion is scriptural, not one thing. You still can't even adress John 17:3. You still can't show how hypostasis or ousia are scriptural concepts. You still can't show a scriptural distinction between heteroousios, homoousios and homoiousios. You still can't use God's name and identity. You still can't explain the lack of a definite article in John 1:1. You still can't explain why you follow Catholic creeds. You still can't explain why you follow imperial creeds. You still can't show the chalcedonian definition in scripture. You still can't explain the ontological contradiction of the hypostatic union. It's utterly pathetic. Last Edited by Monotheism on 11/04/2016 04:43 PM |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73311522 Germany 11/04/2016 04:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? I stand on the WORD - not your straw man arguments. You dismiss Scriptures you do not agree with when they are inconvenient to your view and parrot Unitarian biased "translation" rules (Even when Thayer, a Unitarian Greek Scholar states his views often counter to his own Unitarian thinking - since he had the honesty to translate based on sound practices) I have provided his work prior on your post as I am sure you remember. Quoting: Deplorable No Dhimmi I refuted that too, remember? Nothing about your pagan religion is scriptural, not one thing. You still can't even adress John 17:3. You still can't show how hypostasis or ousia are scriptural concepts. You still can't show a scriptural distinction between heteroousios, homoousios and homoiousios. You still can't use God's name and identity. You still can't explain the lack of a definite article in John 1:1. You still can't explain why you follow Catholic creeds. You still can't explain why you follow imperial creeds. You still can't show the chalcedonian definition in scripture. You still can't explain the ontological contradiction of the hypostatic union. It's utterly pathetic. How did God create the Universe? He spoke and it was.. He commanded it into being. So that means that the universe was created through the Word of God? Jesus is the Word of God, so Jesus is the creator. The creator is God. Get it????? |
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Sheshbazzar User ID: 73339661 Netherlands 11/04/2016 04:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? Quoting: Sheshbazzar 73339661 God told us to love him and love our fellow humans. Is that all? There must be a reason, a surprisingly literal one. It is hidden in totally plain sight, to our confusion and shame. |
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Pope Natas XIII User ID: 73333752 Brazil 11/04/2016 04:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? Amazing that some people on here still do not know what hell actually is. Silence peasant, I'm your boss. Now pray 99 hail mary. I will skip your "Hail Mary" and up you an "Our Father" Mary is the mother of your god which makes her greater than God. Pray or burn in hell! |
Sheshbazzar User ID: 73339661 Netherlands 11/04/2016 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73311522 Amazing that some people on here still do not know what hell actually is. Silence peasant, I'm your boss. Now pray 99 hail mary. I will skip your "Hail Mary" and up you an "Our Father" Mary is the mother of your god which makes her greater than God. Pray or burn in hell! You don't know what you are talking about, blind. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73311522 Germany 11/04/2016 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73311522 Is that all? There must be a reason, a surprisingly literal one. It is hidden in totally plain sight, to our confusion and shame. It is not hidden at all. The message is to treat everyone with respect, and be a good human. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5542288 United Kingdom 11/04/2016 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? Constantine was the main one. He came up with the Nicene Creed. His mother was a Christian. They say she came from Wales. The Druids in Wales were the first converts in the British Isles long before the Ronans got here. |
Pope Natas XIII User ID: 73333752 Brazil 11/04/2016 04:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? Mary is the mother of your god which makes her greater than God. Pray or burn in hell! You don't know what you are talking about, blind. Take your meds! |
Sheshbazzar User ID: 73339661 Netherlands 11/04/2016 04:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? Is that all? There must be a reason, a surprisingly literal one. It is hidden in totally plain sight, to our confusion and shame. It is not hidden at all. The message is to treat everyone with respect, and be a good human. But that is the godless humanism, the downward, materialistic movement that is driving us to the coming annihilation. Just take it as it is. What is the word of God? (Hint: x of y also means that x is a property, in the logical sense, of y). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73339661 Netherlands 11/04/2016 04:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? Mary is the mother of your god which makes her greater than God. Pray or burn in hell! You don't know what you are talking about, blind. Take your meds! Is that so? Have you read the book of Revelation? Know that this here and now Hell is a confused shadow, the outer court, of what happens in Heaven. Who is the bride? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73333752 Brazil 11/04/2016 05:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? ... Quoting: Pope Natas XIII 73333752 Mary is the mother of your god which makes her greater than God. Pray or burn in hell! You don't know what you are talking about, blind. Take your meds! Is that so? Have you read the book of Revelation? Know that this here and now Hell is a confused shadow, the outer court, of what happens in Heaven. Who is the bride? I've read it and you're crazy. Stop posting immediately!! |
Monotheism (OP) User ID: 73065456 Sweden 11/04/2016 05:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? Constantine was the main one. He came up with the Nicene Creed. His mother was a Christian. They say she came from Wales. The Druids in Wales were the first converts in the British Isles long before the Ronans got here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5542288 Constantine only legalized it, Theodosius enforced it by law and made it mandatory state religion (the Roman-Alexandrian version). The Nicene Creed used today isn't the original Nicene creed, but the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed adopted at the First Council of Constantinople 381 AD. Adopted after Theodosius made it secular law. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 51828896 Ukraine 11/04/2016 05:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How do you feel about the fact that a Roman emperor and dictator invented Christianity as you know it? Constantine was the main one. He came up with the Nicene Creed. His mother was a Christian. They say she came from Wales. The Druids in Wales were the first converts in the British Isles long before the Ronans got here. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5542288 Constantine only legalized it, Theodosius enforced it by law and made it mandatory state religion (the Roman-Alexandrian version). The Nicene Creed used today isn't the original Nicene creed, but the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed adopted at the First Council of Constantinople 381 AD. Adopted after Theodosius made it secular law. Constantine gave land and provision very, very liberally to the Christians. It was the beginning of the end. |
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