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Jehovah's Witnesses: My old classmates mother DIED because they don't believe in blood transfusions

 
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Jehovah's Witnesses: My old classmates mother DIED because they don't believe in blood transfusions
How can anyone in good conscience do such a thing? To watch a loved one suffer that could've easily been saved?

Well, my old classmate eventually left the JWs. He's been effectively "ex-communicated" from the church and his family. He doesn't regret it though, and finally sees the church for what it is.

User DGN has now blocked me from his threads. Instead of responding to logic, this user deletes comments and blocks users. hmm

Where are all the prophesies that the Watchtower predicted would happen during the first 50 years of the publication?Why does the Watchtower continue to create "prophesies" when they've been discredited for over 100 years? Why is Charles Taze Russell's tombstone in the shape of a pyramid, and have masonic symbols? Why will a JW let a loved one die instead of receiving blood transfusions? Why are so many JWs renouncing the "religion" and becoming Protestant?


Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
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Thinning out the gene pool. Sometimes eugenics works.
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I made his "foes" list, one of two people!! I must've really struck a cord!! bloodsportband
Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
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OP I appreciate your work on godlike.

Frankly yeah it's silly, however, if you understand the difficulties Ashkenaz Jews have breeding, (hidden topic, 1 out of their 3 kids dies if they have gene fuckery xyz, and so on)

And that B'nai B'rith basically used Judge Rutherford to take the coven, from Charles Russell (buried under a pyramid),

Well, then one understands thyat it is nothing more than a blood-container, a coven of cows, honestly. In court tho, it is "The Religious Order of Jehovah's Witnesses" so they will use that highest form, "An Order" in court.

Just a few deets for you. Yes, if it were left to me, I would reform it. There's a thread here somewhere with my input.

Happy to respond iof you got question OP, I was raised in their ordure but escapes maybe 15+ years ago. It's funny to look at them now, and as you know, the members are nice, sheeplike people who fear JHVH more than anything, so one can trust them thanks to their fear of God.

Should one fear God? Hmm, the jury is out on that I guess. I mean obviously we should fear God because he can destroy us. But, did Satan tell the truth, and was Eve an off-menu item, which, by ordering her, did Adam displease God? And, will the fucking rapist fegs of sodom be resurrected? Many questions outside this blood oddness my friend.
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Oh no....how awful for your friend and his mom. Im so sorry to hear this, but I"m glad he has you for a friend.

DGN is a JW so of course he is going to side with the doctrines of the watchtower, just like I did when I was a JW. You have to expect this.

I know you're upset and rightfully so. I hope your friend is able to find peace.

hf
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I wish I could reply but the Packers are on, and I have to tune in on the computer. No cable tv...
Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
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Oh no....how awful for your friend and his mom. Im so sorry to hear this, but I"m glad he has you for a friend.

DGN is a JW so of course he is going to side with the doctrines of the watchtower, just like I did when I was a JW. You have to expect this.

I know you're upset and rightfully so. I hope your friend is able to find peace.

hf
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Thank you. He's learned a lot, and has moved on. I just want to get the word out. All the best-
Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
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I applaud them as they are proving Darwin's work!
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I respect this interpretation of 'thou shall not eat blood'. If someone is willing to die for this, that is their own business. would you also force her to take chemo?
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They don't care don't they still think one cant make love to a women when she is the most fertile
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Thinning out the gene pool. Sometimes eugenics works.
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Eugenics has nothing to do with it. naughty

That was pure Darwin.

darwinsh
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I'm not a JW but this is their justification.

Deuteronomy 12:23 But be sure you do not eat the blood, because the blood is the life, and you must not eat the life with the meat.


So to them, foreign blood can't be inside of you (don't not eat the blood). And getting a transfusion is putting foreign blood inside of you.

To them, being obedient to God, is the number one priority.
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Can ANY JW really explain the issue of blood? To let someone you love just DIE that could've easily been saved?

Taking in "foreign" blood from a donor will send that person to hell? How about the donor? How about organ donors, are they all destined for hell? How about the lives saved from those organs, is that their ticket to hell?

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13

Explain how everyone, EVERYONE that isn't a JW is destined for hell? What about the 144,000? Does this math add up? And why did all these people leave?


An Elder that left



Much, much more to everything.

"and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book." Revelation 22:19

The JW have their Bibles that conveniently fit their narrative. The scripture above is from the American Standard Bible. It was once a highly regarded JW Bible, but it's been largely replaced.

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Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
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Looks like she chose not to take blood. So no one went against her wishes which was the right thing to do. No one has a right to force anything on anyone that is against their wishes no matter how crazy you think they other person is. Someone brought up chemo. People have a right to take it or not. And blood has killed people before just like it can save a person. Just like chemo. So let people make their choice. People do a have a right to die on their own terms.
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Looks like she chose not to take blood. So no one went against her wishes which was the right thing to do. No one has a right to force anything on anyone that is against their wishes no matter how crazy you think they other person is. Someone brought up chemo. People have a right to take it or not. And blood has killed people before just like it can save a person. Just like chemo. So let people make their choice. People do a have a right to die on their own terms.
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It was left up to the family because she was incapacitated at the time. Your entire reply was based upon assumptions! Mega fail. Your reply just collapsed.

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Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
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Looks like she chose not to take blood. So no one went against her wishes which was the right thing to do. No one has a right to force anything on anyone that is against their wishes no matter how crazy you think they other person is. Someone brought up chemo. People have a right to take it or not. And blood has killed people before just like it can save a person. Just like chemo. So let people make their choice. People do a have a right to die on their own terms.
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putin-thissclappa


this 100%. and im not JW. it comes down to personal choice.
The future is not what it used to be.
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Can ANY JW really explain the issue of blood? To let someone you love just DIE that could've easily been saved?

Taking in "foreign" blood from a donor will send that person to hell? How about the donor? How about organ donors, are they all destined for hell? How about the lives saved from those organs, is that their ticket to hell?

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13

Explain how everyone, EVERYONE that isn't a JW is destined for hell? What about the 144,000? Does this math add up? And why did all these people leave?


An Elder that left



Much, much more to everything.

"and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book." Revelation 22:19

The JW have their Bibles that conveniently fit their narrative. The scripture above is from the American Standard Bible. It was once a highly regarded JW Bible, but it's been largely replaced.
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JW's don't believe in hell. And although it is sad, it's their choice.

What really upsets me is when a child is involved. That's not right.
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Looks like she chose not to take blood. So no one went against her wishes which was the right thing to do. No one has a right to force anything on anyone that is against their wishes no matter how crazy you think they other person is. Someone brought up chemo. People have a right to take it or not. And blood has killed people before just like it can save a person. Just like chemo. So let people make their choice. People do a have a right to die on their own terms.
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It was left up to the family because she was incapacitated at the time. Your entire reply was based upon assumptions! Mega fail. Your reply just collapsed.
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you didnt make that clear in your original post, your fail. if the decision was her family's and went against her own wishes, that's another story, but that was not made apparent in your first post.
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Looks like she chose not to take blood. So no one went against her wishes which was the right thing to do. No one has a right to force anything on anyone that is against their wishes no matter how crazy you think they other person is. Someone brought up chemo. People have a right to take it or not. And blood has killed people before just like it can save a person. Just like chemo. So let people make their choice. People do a have a right to die on their own terms.
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It was left up to the family because she was incapacitated at the time. Your entire reply was based upon assumptions! Mega fail. Your reply just collapsed.
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If she was a practicing JW, she probably carried a "no blood card" in her wallet which is basically a directive for medical staff not to give a blood transfusion.

Did she carry a card?
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Looks like she chose not to take blood. So no one went against her wishes which was the right thing to do. No one has a right to force anything on anyone that is against their wishes no matter how crazy you think they other person is. Someone brought up chemo. People have a right to take it or not. And blood has killed people before just like it can save a person. Just like chemo. So let people make their choice. People do a have a right to die on their own terms.
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It was left up to the family because she was incapacitated at the time. Your entire reply was based upon assumptions! Mega fail. Your reply just collapsed.
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you didnt make that clear in your original post, your fail. if the decision was her family's and went against her own wishes, that's another story, but that was not made apparent in your first post.
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putin

I didn't mention anything about aliens, wicker furniture, and minor league baseball either. Does that leave the door open for assumption there too?
Jude 1:4 "For there are certain men crept in privily, even they who were of old written of beforehand unto this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ."
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JW is for the birds, but I would rather die than take some stranger's DNA. Maybe close family...maybe. I might see it differently if was bleeding out right now.
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Bobbleheads get all hysterical about death like it's a horrible thing.

Newsflash: Nobody Gets Out Alive.



Work on your spiritual understanding (not religious) and a person's death will affect you no more than if they made a trip to the grocery store.
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here is a little tip regarding the JWs and others like them

they use those occult symbols as a go signal to other occultists to join the feast on fools' flesh

DGN is not a dupe but an overt fraud

the people at the top of these things know is is BS

that are satanists

DGN has other personalities that reveal exactly what it is.
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But you will live forever cause you do believe in blood transfusions ? lmao

People are so funny. You could die right now, in this very moment. You don't control universal order.
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It's all about choices OP. Sounds like the family was respecting the mothers wishes. To go against her wishes would be the real travesty... What are your wishes? Would you count on and expect your family uphold them..say you want to be buried but they have you cremated?
Death is not an enemy. Dying under your own terms is strength. She chose. Let her be.
Sorry you feel so strongly about the decision..but it was not your to make. God Bless you for your compassion.
But don't misplace it.
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It's all about choices OP. Sounds like the family was respecting the mothers wishes. To go against her wishes would be the real travesty... What are your wishes? Would you count on and expect your family uphold them..say you want to be buried but they have you cremated?
Death is not an enemy. Dying under your own terms is strength. She chose. Let her be.
Sorry you feel so strongly about the decision..but it was not your to make. God Bless you for your compassion.
But don't misplace it.
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Good speech hf
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Can ANY JW really explain the issue of blood? To let someone you love just DIE that could've easily been saved?

Taking in "foreign" blood from a donor will send that person to hell? How about the donor? How about organ donors, are they all destined for hell? How about the lives saved from those organs, is that their ticket to hell?

"Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends." John 15:13

Explain how everyone, EVERYONE that isn't a JW is destined for hell? What about the 144,000? Does this math add up? And why did all these people leave?


An Elder that left



Much, much more to everything.

"and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book." Revelation 22:19

The JW have their Bibles that conveniently fit their narrative. The scripture above is from the American Standard Bible. It was once a highly regarded JW Bible, but it's been largely replaced.
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They don't believe in hell, but rather that the soul will cease to exist.

Regarding the 144,000, they believe these people will be in heaven. But the "great crowd" will still make it to paradise, or heaven on Earth, hence there would be no purpose to creating a "new Earth" as spoken of in Revelations.
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Taking in "foreign" blood from a donor will send that person to hell? How about the donor? How about organ donors, are they all destined for hell? How about the lives saved from those organs, is that their ticket to hell?
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Many Christians believe taking the "mark of the beast" will guarantee that they'll be damned to hell.

So they would rather choose physical death, than take the mark. To them being obedient to God, is more important than their own lives.

Likewise a JW views taking foreign blood in their bodies, is also disobeying God. So likewise they would choose being obedient to God, even if it meant death.

As another parallel. Let's say as a Christian, they were going to make your family member take the "mark of the beast". Most Christians would do what they can to prevent the person from doing this, and would rather let them die a physical death, than take the "mark of the beast" since they believe their soul would be damned to hell for certain.
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and if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the tree of life, and out of the holy city, which are written in this book." Revelation 22:19
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To be fair let's consider the KJV that many believe to be flawless.

KJV
Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

ESV
Neither is new wine put into old wineskins. If it is, the skins burst and the wine is spilled and the skins are destroyed. But new wine is put into fresh wineskins, and so both are preserved.

Logically old wineskins, makes more sense. Since this will more likely stretch and burst.





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