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Question - why move back? Why not forward? Re: energy

 
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I don't understand the love of the aging fossil fuel energy and transportation system. It's rampant amongst our new government and most on here. We would create far more jobs by leaving it behind and building a new clean and renewable system. Forget climate change - even if it's not happening, shouldn't we be transitioning to a energy infrastructure that doesn't rely on a disappearing and dirty fuel source? Shouldn't we leave behind an industry that has to destroy landscapes and ecosystems to extract and refine its product?

Look at the industrial wastelands of our world on google earth. It's sad. You can literally see both the destruction of the landscape and the destruction of the human population that lives / lived there. Look at the gulf coast from Houston to New Orleans. Look at the oil sands fields in Alberta. Look at the poverty and the flattened mountain tops in the appalacians in Pennsylvania and West Virginia. The people there worked to extract coal for generations and were treated like expendable slaves by the coal industry until the coal was gone or unprofitable, and they were discarded.

Look at the ridiculous landscape all over the United States created by Fracking. NE PA, east Texas, big sky country and many other areas are pockmarked like a moonscape with fracturing pads. Talk to the people who live there who had to have their wells replaced with 1000 gallon tanks in their backyards, but only after signing non-disclosure gag orders written by gas company lawyers.

That's just North America. We are drilling and mining in the Amazon. China's cities have become unlivable due to the pollution burning coal and oil and wood creates. Is this the 1800s? Why are we doing this?

Look at companies like Tesla. One corporation with a laughablely small budget compared to BP or Exxonmobile has created a car that needs No gas and has built a nationwide network of charging stations to facilitate their use. With the power of the fossil fuel industry and the government we could end our dependence on oil and build something new. The amount of jobs created would be far greater than those created by building a pipeline.

Why isn't this happening? $$$. The money reaped from oil fields and shale gas and coal spilling into the government like Exxon Valdez. Money from an industry afraid of change, when they could act proactively and keep their jobs for centuries more instead of bleeding the world for 30-40 more years.

Why do all of you not see this? Your head is in the sand, and if Trump believes something, so do you, unconditionally. Open your eyes. Resist the Bullshit energy propaganda commercials and political rhetoric written by a lobbyist. Rationality and history seem to mean nothing anymore.

All I'm asking is for everyone to think for yourself. And just to think. Does this make sense? Should we move forward or back?
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The USA is going to be steamrolled by China, meanwhile our politicians pimp their country to British mining companies
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Ignore this at the peril of your children and grandchildren
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Everyone should take a good look at who really owns these mining companies. I'm referring to owners of the preferred stock, not the publicly traded stock. Chances are that foreigners own them. We have to ask ourselves if that's an acceptable state of affairs. Are we not capable of managing our own national resources? Are we so fucking stupid that foreigners are required for this?
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Yep. And that is what any newly opened production areas are producing for - the global economy. New coal in Appalachia? Oil in ANWR or off the east coast? Shale in NY or PA? It's getting sold. Anywhere. The keystone pipeline? Ship the oil sands of the dakotas (and Canada) direct to to Gulf of Mexico for transport outta here.
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This thread will be bumped until it gains traction. I want nothing more than to get people to start thinking for themselves again. I don't care if your IQ is 60 or 160, you have a human brain, which is one of the most awe inspiring things on this planet. Use it, please.
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go fuck yourself you tree hugging commie.
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Re: Question - why move back? Why not forward? Re: energy
I don't understand the love of the aging fossil fuel energy and transportation system. It's rampant amongst our new government and most on here. We would create far more jobs by leaving it behind and building a new clean and renewable system. Forget climate change - even if it's not happening, shouldn't we be transitioning to a energy infrastructure that doesn't rely on a disappearing and dirty fuel source? Shouldn't we leave behind an industry that has to destroy landscapes and ecosystems to extract and refine its product?

Look at the industrial wastelands of our world on google earth. It's sad. You can literally see both the destruction of the landscape and the destruction of the human population that lives / lived there. Look at the gulf coast from Houston to New Orleans. Look at the oil sands fields in Alberta. Look at the poverty and the flattened mountain tops in the appalacians in Pennsylvania and West Virginia. The people there worked to extract coal for generations and were treated like expendable slaves by the coal industry until the coal was gone or unprofitable, and they were discarded.

Look at the ridiculous landscape all over the United States created by Fracking. NE PA, east Texas, big sky country and many other areas are pockmarked like a moonscape with fracturing pads. Talk to the people who live there who had to have their wells replaced with 1000 gallon tanks in their backyards, but only after signing non-disclosure gag orders written by gas company lawyers.

That's just North America. We are drilling and mining in the Amazon. China's cities have become unlivable due to the pollution burning coal and oil and wood creates. Is this the 1800s? Why are we doing this?

Look at companies like Tesla. One corporation with a laughablely small budget compared to BP or Exxonmobile has created a car that needs No gas and has built a nationwide network of charging stations to facilitate their use. With the power of the fossil fuel industry and the government we could end our dependence on oil and build something new. The amount of jobs created would be far greater than those created by building a pipeline.

Why isn't this happening? $$$. The money reaped from oil fields and shale gas and coal spilling into the government like Exxon Valdez. Money from an industry afraid of change, when they could act proactively and keep their jobs for centuries more instead of bleeding the world for 30-40 more years.

Why do all of you not see this? Your head is in the sand, and if Trump believes something, so do you, unconditionally. Open your eyes. Resist the Bullshit energy propaganda commercials and political rhetoric written by a lobbyist. Rationality and history seem to mean nothing anymore.

All I'm asking is for everyone to think for yourself. And just to think. Does this make sense? Should we move forward or back?
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I'm missing your point. What do you want me to do?
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.



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go fuck yourself you tree hugging commie.
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No thanks, I'll keep fighting for good while you are stuck in a negative state of hate.
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Re: Question - why move back? Why not forward? Re: energy
I don't understand the love of the aging fossil fuel energy and transportation system. It's rampant amongst our new government and most on here. We would create far more jobs by leaving it behind and building a new clean and renewable system. Forget climate change - even if it's not happening, shouldn't we be transitioning to a energy infrastructure that doesn't rely on a disappearing and dirty fuel source? Shouldn't we leave behind an industry that has to destroy landscapes and ecosystems to extract and refine its product?

Look at the industrial wastelands of our world on google earth. It's sad. You can literally see both the destruction of the landscape and the destruction of the human population that lives / lived there. Look at the gulf coast from Houston to New Orleans. Look at the oil sands fields in Alberta. Look at the poverty and the flattened mountain tops in the appalacians in Pennsylvania and West Virginia. The people there worked to extract coal for generations and were treated like expendable slaves by the coal industry until the coal was gone or unprofitable, and they were discarded.

Look at the ridiculous landscape all over the United States created by Fracking. NE PA, east Texas, big sky country and many other areas are pockmarked like a moonscape with fracturing pads. Talk to the people who live there who had to have their wells replaced with 1000 gallon tanks in their backyards, but only after signing non-disclosure gag orders written by gas company lawyers.

That's just North America. We are drilling and mining in the Amazon. China's cities have become unlivable due to the pollution burning coal and oil and wood creates. Is this the 1800s? Why are we doing this?

Look at companies like Tesla. One corporation with a laughablely small budget compared to BP or Exxonmobile has created a car that needs No gas and has built a nationwide network of charging stations to facilitate their use. With the power of the fossil fuel industry and the government we could end our dependence on oil and build something new. The amount of jobs created would be far greater than those created by building a pipeline.

Why isn't this happening? $$$. The money reaped from oil fields and shale gas and coal spilling into the government like Exxon Valdez. Money from an industry afraid of change, when they could act proactively and keep their jobs for centuries more instead of bleeding the world for 30-40 more years.

Why do all of you not see this? Your head is in the sand, and if Trump believes something, so do you, unconditionally. Open your eyes. Resist the Bullshit energy propaganda commercials and political rhetoric written by a lobbyist. Rationality and history seem to mean nothing anymore.

All I'm asking is for everyone to think for yourself. And just to think. Does this make sense? Should we move forward or back?
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I'm missing your point. What do you want me to do?
 Quoting: Solitary Man


Think. Use your brain and turn off the Trump feeds. Your thought and your opinion and your ego is yours alone. If your brain is influenced by someone or something else, that is not good.
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Post-fossil fuel energy is available now. It will inevitably be the system of the future. So why are we stuck in the past? Hint: it has nothing to do with "create jobs!" Or "energy independence!"
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I understand what you mean and admire your enthusiasm, but there are two colosal problems standing in the way of the " magic electric car" replacing the fosil fuels.
1. All the governments are milking lot of money from fuel tax. They won't give that up anytime soon, specially this left wing governments that pretend to want clean energy.
2. The technology just isn't there yet. None of this companies pretending to make electric cars would survive without unfair subsidies, imposed on entire countries by corrupt governments. For example, here in Ontario Canada, the government will give $14000 in subsidies for every Tesla e model bought in the province. Why the fuck, should i pay for someone elses car?
This 'dream electric cars' are nothing but an expensive scam.
The technology, this generation of electric cars are based on, is a dead end. We don't have enough lithium on the planet to go this route, at global scale.
They shouldn't even be allowed to waste relative rare materials, like lithium, on cars. Not when you need eight hundred pounds of bateries in every car.

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I don't understand the love of the aging fossil fuel energy and transportation system. It's rampant amongst our new government and most on here. We would create far more jobs by leaving it behind and building a new clean and renewable system. Forget climate change - even if it's not happening, shouldn't we be transitioning to a energy infrastructure that doesn't rely on a disappearing and dirty fuel source? Shouldn't we leave behind an industry that has to destroy landscapes and ecosystems to extract and refine its product?

Look at the industrial wastelands of our world on google earth. It's sad. You can literally see both the destruction of the landscape and the destruction of the human population that lives / lived there. Look at the gulf coast from Houston to New Orleans. Look at the oil sands fields in Alberta. Look at the poverty and the flattened mountain tops in the appalacians in Pennsylvania and West Virginia. The people there worked to extract coal for generations and were treated like expendable slaves by the coal industry until the coal was gone or unprofitable, and they were discarded.

Look at the ridiculous landscape all over the United States created by Fracking. NE PA, east Texas, big sky country and many other areas are pockmarked like a moonscape with fracturing pads. Talk to the people who live there who had to have their wells replaced with 1000 gallon tanks in their backyards, but only after signing non-disclosure gag orders written by gas company lawyers.

That's just North America. We are drilling and mining in the Amazon. China's cities have become unlivable due to the pollution burning coal and oil and wood creates. Is this the 1800s? Why are we doing this?

Look at companies like Tesla. One corporation with a laughablely small budget compared to BP or Exxonmobile has created a car that needs No gas and has built a nationwide network of charging stations to facilitate their use. With the power of the fossil fuel industry and the government we could end our dependence on oil and build something new. The amount of jobs created would be far greater than those created by building a pipeline.

Why isn't this happening? $$$. The money reaped from oil fields and shale gas and coal spilling into the government like Exxon Valdez. Money from an industry afraid of change, when they could act proactively and keep their jobs for centuries more instead of bleeding the world for 30-40 more years.

Why do all of you not see this? Your head is in the sand, and if Trump believes something, so do you, unconditionally. Open your eyes. Resist the Bullshit energy propaganda commercials and political rhetoric written by a lobbyist. Rationality and history seem to mean nothing anymore.

All I'm asking is for everyone to think for yourself. And just to think. Does this make sense? Should we move forward or back?
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I'm missing your point. What do you want me to do?
 Quoting: Solitary Man


Think. Use your brain and turn off the Trump feeds. Your thought and your opinion and your ego is yours alone. If your brain is influenced by someone or something else, that is not good.
 Quoting: HarryHood



It's insulting that you think I'm following Trump or anyone else. I think for myself, I understand the situation, but WHAT do you want me to do about it? Do you want me to build a thorium reactor? What?
We can't move forward until we have something to go forward with. wind energ is a bust. ethanol from corn is stupid. shutting down the mines and wells, BEfore we have an alternative--Obama style, is stupid. We have to go backwards to get the economy and country going again. And THEN, if something comes up, it can be developed. So, what are you saying, OP? What do you want me to do? What do you want US to do? You say you're going to keep posting, but I don't see why.
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.



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Re: Question - why move back? Why not forward? Re: energy
Post-fossil fuel energy is available now. It will inevitably be the system of the future. So why are we stuck in the past? Hint: it has nothing to do with "create jobs!" Or "energy independence!"
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YOu're not communicating well, OP. YOu must be drunk or retarded.
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.



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Wind energy is not a bust. Neither is solar. Neither are the various forms of geothermal or the energy gathered from the natural movement of water in rivers and oceans. And if we seriously invested in research we would develop these and other technologies further.

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Post-fossil fuel energy is available now. It will inevitably be the system of the future. So why are we stuck in the past? Hint: it has nothing to do with "create jobs!" Or "energy independence!"
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YOu're not communicating well, OP. YOu must be drunk or retarded.
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Thanks, I'll work on that. Anything constructive to say? Or intelligent?
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I don't understand the love of the aging fossil fuel energy and transportation system. It's rampant amongst our new government and most on here. We would create far more jobs by leaving it behind and building a new clean and renewable system. Forget climate change - even if it's not happening, shouldn't we be transitioning to a energy infrastructure that doesn't rely on a disappearing and dirty fuel source? Shouldn't we leave behind an industry that has to destroy landscapes and ecosystems to extract and refine its product?

Look at the industrial wastelands of our world on google earth. It's sad. You can literally see both the destruction of the landscape and the destruction of the human population that lives / lived there. Look at the gulf coast from Houston to New Orleans. Look at the oil sands fields in Alberta. Look at the poverty and the flattened mountain tops in the appalacians in Pennsylvania and West Virginia. The people there worked to extract coal for generations and were treated like expendable slaves by the coal industry until the coal was gone or unprofitable, and they were discarded.

Look at the ridiculous landscape all over the United States created by Fracking. NE PA, east Texas, big sky country and many other areas are pockmarked like a moonscape with fracturing pads. Talk to the people who live there who had to have their wells replaced with 1000 gallon tanks in their backyards, but only after signing non-disclosure gag orders written by gas company lawyers.

That's just North America. We are drilling and mining in the Amazon. China's cities have become unlivable due to the pollution burning coal and oil and wood creates. Is this the 1800s? Why are we doing this?

Look at companies like Tesla. One corporation with a laughablely small budget compared to BP or Exxonmobile has created a car that needs No gas and has built a nationwide network of charging stations to facilitate their use. With the power of the fossil fuel industry and the government we could end our dependence on oil and build something new. The amount of jobs created would be far greater than those created by building a pipeline.

Why isn't this happening? $$$. The money reaped from oil fields and shale gas and coal spilling into the government like Exxon Valdez. Money from an industry afraid of change, when they could act proactively and keep their jobs for centuries more instead of bleeding the world for 30-40 more years.

Why do all of you not see this? Your head is in the sand, and if Trump believes something, so do you, unconditionally. Open your eyes. Resist the Bullshit energy propaganda commercials and political rhetoric written by a lobbyist. Rationality and history seem to mean nothing anymore.

All I'm asking is for everyone to think for yourself. And just to think. Does this make sense? Should we move forward or back?
 Quoting: HarryHood



I'm missing your point. What do you want me to do?
 Quoting: Solitary Man


Think. Use your brain and turn off the Trump feeds. Your thought and your opinion and your ego is yours alone. If your brain is influenced by someone or something else, that is not good.
 Quoting: HarryHood



It's insulting that you think I'm following Trump or anyone else. I think for myself, I understand the situation, but WHAT do you want me to do about it? Do you want me to build a thorium reactor? What?
We can't move forward until we have something to go forward with. wind energ is a bust. ethanol from corn is stupid. shutting down the mines and wells, BEfore we have an alternative--Obama style, is stupid. We have to go backwards to get the economy and country going again. And THEN, if something comes up, it can be developed. So, what are you saying, OP? What do you want me to do? What do you want US to do? You say you're going to keep posting, but I don't see why.
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It's insulting to think you follow trump with a tagline reading "pussy grabbing deplorable" - seriously?
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Wind energy is not a bust. Neither is solar. Neither are the various form of geothermal or the energy gathered from the natural movement of water in rivers and oceans. And if we seriously invested in research we would develop these and other technologies further.
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Wind energy is a bust. Solar energy needs a breakthrough. geothermal is a freak of nature. You can't power this country with geothermal unless a major breakthrough occurs. Not enough energy in movement of water in rivers. They've already been tapped. There is Nothing I see on the horizon with any potential except for algae oil or thorium reactors. In the meantime, we're stuck with oil and coal, and I think Coal would be better because we have about 500 years of it, and it gives side products. If it's not clean enough, clean it up.
What are these current "alternatives" that you mentioned? Electric cars are not an alternative. They only relocate the energy production to regular power plants.
Tesla's Wardenclyff tower is out there. Punch through the atmosphere to tap the ionisphere. Not really doable at this time.
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.



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I'm missing your point. What do you want me to do?
 Quoting: Solitary Man


Think. Use your brain and turn off the Trump feeds. Your thought and your opinion and your ego is yours alone. If your brain is influenced by someone or something else, that is not good.
 Quoting: HarryHood



It's insulting that you think I'm following Trump or anyone else. I think for myself, I understand the situation, but WHAT do you want me to do about it? Do you want me to build a thorium reactor? What?
We can't move forward until we have something to go forward with. wind energ is a bust. ethanol from corn is stupid. shutting down the mines and wells, BEfore we have an alternative--Obama style, is stupid. We have to go backwards to get the economy and country going again. And THEN, if something comes up, it can be developed. So, what are you saying, OP? What do you want me to do? What do you want US to do? You say you're going to keep posting, but I don't see why.
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It's insulting to think you follow trump with a tagline reading "pussy grabbing deplorable" - seriously?
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Alright, go fuck yourself. You shouldn't have started this lameass thread. You have nothing to talk about.
I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you.



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Its all about energy return for energy invested.

Fossil fuels oil and coal are cheep abundant and BTU dense.

What moon beam and unicorn power did you want to replace such a cheep resorce with?

oh and it must be cheep and viable and scalable.


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Wind energy is not a bust. Neither is solar. Neither are the various forms of geothermal or the energy gathered from the natural movement of water in rivers and oceans. And if we seriously invested in research we would develop these and other technologies further.
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those wind generators kill birds, probably by the millions, that can't be good.

none of the methods listed can supply more than a small fraction of the energy required.


[link to savetheeaglesinternational.org]


Wind turbines are actually slaughtering millions of birds and bats annually


The Obama administration is issuing 30-year permits for “taking” (killing) bald and golden eagles. The great birds will be legally slaughtered “unintentionally” by lethal wind turbines installed in their breeding territories, and in “dispersion areas” where their young congregate (e.g. Altamont Pass).


By chance (if you believe in coincidences), a timely government study claims wind farms will kill “only” 1.4 million birds yearly by 2030. This new report is just one of many, financed with taxpayers’ money, aimed at convincing the public that additional mortality caused by wind plants is sustainable. – It is not.


Dr. Shawn Smallwood’s 2004 study, spanning four years, estimated that California’s Altamont Pass wind “farm” killed an average of 116 Golden Eagles annually. This adds up to 2,900 dead “goldies” since it was built 25 years ago. Altamont is the biggest sinkhole for the species, but not the only one, and industry-financed research claiming that California’s GE population is stable is but a white-wash.

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Wind energy is not a bust. Neither is solar. Neither are the various forms of geothermal or the energy gathered from the natural movement of water in rivers and oceans. And if we seriously invested in research we would develop these and other technologies further.
 Quoting: HarryHood


those wind generators kill birds, probably by the millions, that can't be good.

none of the methods listed can supply more than a small fraction of the energy required.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


They, or more developed forms of them, will. It will have to in 50 years. Society will collapse if we have to transition rapidly from fossil fuel. This transition will absolutely be forced and required. Should we wait until zero hour or do it now? The tech is here, even if it's in its infancy. The money spent by the big fossil fuel companies on extraction and refining and development and transport will be many times what is needed to find our next step.

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Wind energy is not a bust. Neither is solar. Neither are the various forms of geothermal or the energy gathered from the natural movement of water in rivers and oceans. And if we seriously invested in research we would develop these and other technologies further.
 Quoting: HarryHood


those wind generators kill birds, probably by the millions, that can't be good.

none of the methods listed can supply more than a small fraction of the energy required.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


They, or more developed forms of them, will. It will have to in 50 years. Society will collapse if we have to transition rapidly from fossil fuel. This transition will absolutely be forced and required. Should we wait until zero hour or do it now? The tech is here, even if it's in its infancy. The money spent by the big fossil fuel companies on extraction and refining and development and transport will be many times what is needed to find our next step.
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laugh
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Wind energy is not a bust. Neither is solar. Neither are the various forms of geothermal or the energy gathered from the natural movement of water in rivers and oceans. And if we seriously invested in research we would develop these and other technologies further.
 Quoting: HarryHood


those wind generators kill birds, probably by the millions, that can't be good.

none of the methods listed can supply more than a small fraction of the energy required.


[link to savetheeaglesinternational.org]


Wind turbines are actually slaughtering millions of birds and bats annually


The Obama administration is issuing 30-year permits for “taking” (killing) bald and golden eagles. The great birds will be legally slaughtered “unintentionally” by lethal wind turbines installed in their breeding territories, and in “dispersion areas” where their young congregate (e.g. Altamont Pass).


By chance (if you believe in coincidences), a timely government study claims wind farms will kill “only” 1.4 million birds yearly by 2030. This new report is just one of many, financed with taxpayers’ money, aimed at convincing the public that additional mortality caused by wind plants is sustainable. – It is not.


Dr. Shawn Smallwood’s 2004 study, spanning four years, estimated that California’s Altamont Pass wind “farm” killed an average of 116 Golden Eagles annually. This adds up to 2,900 dead “goldies” since it was built 25 years ago. Altamont is the biggest sinkhole for the species, but not the only one, and industry-financed research claiming that California’s GE population is stable is but a white-wash.
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How many birds died in the gulf of Mexico after the spill? How many died in Alaska after a single tanker split open? How many more will die if the energy companies have their way and develop currently protected areas where they nest? How many humans have died of cancer directly caused by living in areas with a lot of turbines or solar farms, as opposed to those unfortunate enough to live in areas profoundly effected by pollution?
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Wind energy is not a bust. Neither is solar. Neither are the various forms of geothermal or the energy gathered from the natural movement of water in rivers and oceans. And if we seriously invested in research we would develop these and other technologies further.
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those wind generators kill birds, probably by the millions, that can't be good.

none of the methods listed can supply more than a small fraction of the energy required.
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They, or more developed forms of them, will. It will have to in 50 years. Society will collapse if we have to transition rapidly from fossil fuel. This transition will absolutely be forced and required. Should we wait until zero hour or do it now? The tech is here, even if it's in its infancy. The money spent by the big fossil fuel companies on extraction and refining and development and transport will be many times what is needed to find our next step.
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retards2
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Wind energy is not a bust. Neither is solar. Neither are the various forms of geothermal or the energy gathered from the natural movement of water in rivers and oceans. And if we seriously invested in research we would develop these and other technologies further.
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those wind generators kill birds, probably by the millions, that can't be good.

none of the methods listed can supply more than a small fraction of the energy required.
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They, or more developed forms of them, will. It will have to in 50 years. Society will collapse if we have to transition rapidly from fossil fuel. This transition will absolutely be forced and required. Should we wait until zero hour or do it now? The tech is here, even if it's in its infancy. The money spent by the big fossil fuel companies on extraction and refining and development and transport will be many times what is needed to find our next step.
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laugh
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I'm sorry, do you have something requiring thought to say or are you just going to post emojis? Are you 10 years old?
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Wind energy is not a bust. Neither is solar. Neither are the various forms of geothermal or the energy gathered from the natural movement of water in rivers and oceans. And if we seriously invested in research we would develop these and other technologies further.
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those wind generators kill birds, probably by the millions, that can't be good.

none of the methods listed can supply more than a small fraction of the energy required.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


They, or more developed forms of them, will. It will have to in 50 years. Society will collapse if we have to transition rapidly from fossil fuel. This transition will absolutely be forced and required. Should we wait until zero hour or do it now? The tech is here, even if it's in its infancy. The money spent by the big fossil fuel companies on extraction and refining and development and transport will be many times what is needed to find our next step.
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retards2
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Again, are you able to speak intelligently on this topic, or must you rely on memes? Present a counter argument, please. I'll wait.
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those wind generators kill birds, probably by the millions, that can't be good.

none of the methods listed can supply more than a small fraction of the energy required.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


They, or more developed forms of them, will. It will have to in 50 years. Society will collapse if we have to transition rapidly from fossil fuel. This transition will absolutely be forced and required. Should we wait until zero hour or do it now? The tech is here, even if it's in its infancy. The money spent by the big fossil fuel companies on extraction and refining and development and transport will be many times what is needed to find our next step.
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laugh
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I'm sorry, do you have something requiring thought to say or are you just going to post emojis? Are you 10 years old?
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laugh

You have an agenda and are immune to logic and reason.

That would be fine except that like all progressives/communists you want to force people at the point of a gun to adopt your agenda.

The market will take care of your hysterical hand wringing.

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OTEC is thee eventual answer. 5a





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