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Death and the Life Beyond

 
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Death and the Life Beyond

Initiatic Science teaches that man is a reflection, a replica, of the universe and that, like the universe, he is composed of different regions or 'bodies'. The established sciences still refuse to admit any such thing, and many of their errors, particularly in medicine and psychology, stem from this negation.

The Hindu tradition (which has been adopted by the majority of spiritual movements) divides man into seven different bodies1. The most densely material of these, and the only one that is visible to us, is the physical body, but there are six others: the etheric, astral, mental, Causal, Buddhic and Atmic bodies, each of which is composed of progressively subtler matter. Actually, the etheric body should really be considered as belonging to the physical body. It exists in four states known as 'chemical ether', 'vital ether', 'light ether' and 'reflective ether'; thus we can say that the physical body itself can be divided into seven: the three physical states of solid, liquid and gaseous, plus the four etheric states. The same is true of the astral body which, like each of the other bodies, can also be divided into seven: three lower regions and the four higher regions in which dwell the angels.

1 See Man's Psychic Life; Elements and Structures (Izvor Collection No. 222)

But then the question arises: what is an angel? An angel is an immortal being made of such pure, subtle matter that nothing evil or obscure can affect it. Angels dwell in absolute joy and light and know everything except suffering, for suffering is the result of a disturbance caused by a movement of the lower nature, and an angel cannot be affected by this because it is absolutely pure. Angels do not exist on the physical level. They exist only in the higher reaches of the astral plane.

At the limit between the higher and lower regions of the astral plane is an intermediate zone inhabited by those who are in the process of perfecting themselves, of severing the bonds that tie them to the lower world, but who can still suffer the torments of these lower astral and physical regions. Thus the astral body is a world both of suffering and of joy: of joy when man, at last, manages to refine and purify his desires; of suffering when he is still on too low a level, when his appetites and passions still have too strong a hold on him.

At the moment of death man detaches himself from his physical body, but this separation does not mean that he is instantly set free. To begin with, in fact, he will be even more susceptible to torment than when he was on earth. This is because, when we are on earth, our physical body serves as a shell or armor and prevents us from feeling the reality of the psychic world. But when we die and find ourselves on the astral plane, released from our physical body and the protection it once afforded us, we are liable to experience terrible suffering and unhappiness. Hell is simply the experience of a very intense state of consciousness on the astral plane and we can escape from it only when we have been purified by suffering. When death comes to those who have lived in debauchery, injustice, viciousness and cruelty and who have managed to escape punishment at the hands of human justice, they find themselves on the astral plane, face to face with all the evil they have ever committed. There is no escape and no protection; they no longer have their physical body to protect them and make them less sensitive, so they experience all the torments and sufferings that they imposed on others during their life on earth.

You have all had nightmares, I imagine, and you know that they usually end abruptly when you wake up and suddenly feel enormously relieved to find yourself safely at home in your physical body: 'Oh, thank God! It was only a dream!' Why do you wake up so suddenly? Because you know, subconsciously, that you must get back into your physical body in order to defend yourself against hostile beings or forces of the astral plane: your physical body is a fortress in which you are safe from attack. If you stayed on the astral plane you would continue to be at the mercy of your enemies, so you escape from them by going back into the thick, solid protection of your physical body. It is exactly as though your were being pursued by armed men, on the physical level, and you dived into the safety of a solid building where their knives and guns cannot reach you.

The same law holds good on every level: it can happen, for instance, that somebody leaves his physical body while he is meditating and is drawn into dangerous areas of the astral plane in which he finds himself threatened and pursued. The first thing to do, in a case like this, is to flee to the protection of one's physical body.

The physical body is a good, solid fortress, but when one leaves it at the time of death, every transgression of the laws of love, wisdom and truth has to be paid for on the astral plane. I assure you, I am not inventing anything: all the great Masters of mankind have told us this; the greatest artists, painters and poets have portrayed this world in their works of art, and people who have been clinically dead for three or four days have returned to tell us what they had seen in the astral world. Heaven allows a few people to have experiences of this kind from time to time in order to remind human beings of certain truths and persuade them to mend their ways.

After death, therefore, men have to suffer, on the astral plane, all the evil they have inflicted on others and pay the penalty for all their transgressions. It is not that Cosmic Intelligence needs to revenge Itself or punish them; all It wants is that they be fully conscious of what they did on earth because, very often, they have inflicted suffering on others without even realizing it, and it is this ignorance that is unacceptable, for it prevents them from evolving. Cosmic Intelligence makes us experience all the evil we have done to others so that we may learn just what our actions have meant and begin to improve. The time spent on this level depends on the gravity of our faults. Some, who have never committed any serious crimes, pass through this stage very rapidly; others have to suffer for years and years.

Once a man has paid every penny of his dept he rises to the first level of the higher astral plane where he experiences an extraordinary state of joy and wonderment because of the happiness he has given to others on earth. At this point it is time for him to experience all that he has ever done to help and encourage others, to restore their hope and awaken their faith and love. He experiences all this, amplified to an infinite degree, on the astral plane. And it is only then that he fully realizes what he did on earth. Certain highly evolved beings do good to others without knowing how many people receive joy, happiness and life through their actions: they do it instinctively, without conscious thought. But Cosmic Intelligence wants every man to be fully conscious so, after death, these unconscious benefactors are astounded to see, feel and understand all the good they have done. Their next step is to rise to the Causal Plane, and there they receive the secret treasures of Wisdom; all the mysteries of the universe are revealed to them; they are allowed to see and contemplate all the beauty of the Heavenly regions. Later, they rise to the Buddhic plane where they become one with the Universal Soul and dwell in bliss beyond description. As for the Atmic plane, words cannot express what they experience on this plane as they fuse into one with their Creator.

When man reincarnates2 he passes through all the same regions, beginning with the Atmic, Buddhic, Causal, and so on and, in each region, he collects the materials he needs to weave a new garment, a new body, which becomes progressively denser and more opaque as he descends to the lower levels of matter. When he is finally born again, as a human baby, he remembers nothing of all this: neither his sufferings nor his joys nor even what he learned. But it is all there, inside him, and it will all come back to him one day if he accepts certain disciplines and rules of life under the guidance of a spiritual Master. Those who succeed in bringing to the surface the memory of their experiences in the other world evolve much more rapidly.

Unfortunately, most people are so attached to the pleasures and passions of the earth that it will be a very long time before they take advantage of all this knowledge, all those treasures buried deep within them. Blessed are those who know and believe these truths, for they will be incapable of being satisfied with a mediocre way of life. They will continually want to grow and advance in intelligence, love and self-dominance, so as to become useful to the whole of humanity.

But let me get back to the most important: whether or not we believe in the life of the soul after death, without our knowing it, everything we do is recorded. Nature does much more wonderful things than even the most skilled electronic engineer: at the apex of man's heart, she places a tiny spool of magnetic tape, no bigger than an atom, which records everything he does all his life long. When he leaves this world, he leaves his physical body behind but he takes this tiny reel of tape with him, and his judges invite him to watch it with them so that he can see every detail of the life he has just lived.

2 In this connection, see Man, Master of His Destiny (Collection Izvor, No. 201)

Yes, no one can escape from this law: everything in life is recorded; we have to pay on the astral plane for every transgression committed here below, and we feel everything with far greater intensity because we are no longer protected by our physical body. There is nothing worse than to be naked and vulnerable on the astral plane, for one feels the thoughts and feelings of the living as a direct attack, as though they were biting, piercing and burning us. There is no escape from them. Even the mourning and tears of those left behind on earth are a torment for the dead. It is only when they reach the Causal plane that they become invulnerable and nothing can affect them any more; they are at the centre of a magic circle of light and nothing can enter this circle if they do not want it to.

The things that concern the soul and the spirit are truly extraordinary, and you, who are in an Initiatic School, will learn a great deal if you are sufficiently patient and persevering. But I must warn you to be careful: if you allow yourselves to be beguiled by frivolous trivialities and abandon the treasures of the spiritual dimension for the sake of the petty pleasures of everyday life, when the time comes for you to move on to the next world you will go through terrifying states of consciousness because you will have failed to appreciate that which was pure, sacred and divine.

You will object, 'But I haven't killed anyone. I've never done anything really serious!' That is where you are wrong; it is serious to be negligent! The fact that you have failed to appreciate the divine dimension is an argument against you. It means that you have lived such a shameful life in the past, that your mental and astral bodies became deformed and distorted. In this way you put so many obstacles in the way of your own evolution that you now lack the elements that would make you sensitive to the divine world, and you are going to have to suffer in order to acquire them.

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After death you and your beliefs will cease to exist, meaning: you will be nonexistent.
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After death you and your beliefs will cease to exist, meaning: you will be nonexistent.
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Bro, we are all in it to win-win it!

"Capital punishment, the death sentence, is a frequent topic of discussion. Judges, psychiatrists and sociologists give us the statistics and talk about their observations and conclusions on radio and television programmes, and public opinion remains divided. Some think that the worst criminals should be executed so as to deter those who are tempted to imitate them; others retort that the fear of death has never deterred a criminal and, above all, that no human being has the right to decide the death of another. And so the debate goes on endlessly. Unfortunately, even the greatest authorities have no very clear ideas on the question, because their understanding of the structure of the universe and of human beings does not include the spiritual dimension.

Obviously, if you execute a criminal, society will be rid of him on the physical plane. Yes, but what people fail to realize is that he is still alive on the subtle planes, and on those planes his desire for destruction and revenge is as strong as ever. The desires of a criminal are not killed by the death of his physical body, because they don't belong to the physical plane. Once he is dead, therefore, a criminal becomes active on the astral and lower mental planes and the evil is amplified. His influence seeps into the minds and hearts of all those on earth whose criminal tendencies create an affinity with him, and through them he attempts to continue his evil work. In fact, he has even more scope after death for he is no longer limited by his physical body and can act through many different people. If people advocate capital punishment as a solution to the problem of crime, therefore, it is because they don't know that a criminal's spirit continues to be active after his death.

The same phenomenon occurs, of course, when a prophet or a great spiritual Master is assassinated: his ideas spread even more rapidly. In fact, this is why, when the criticism of an outspoken religious or political figure becomes an embarrassment to a government, and those in power are tempted to eliminate him, they know that they have to be very careful about how they do it. To make a martyr of a popular hero only serves to exacerbate the fury of his followers and make the position of his executioners even more precarious. They know that when you kill a man you don't kill his ideology, for others take it up and it becomes more vigorous than ever. You will say: "But that is only because his partisans or disciples are infuriated at the death of their leader and are fired with greater enthusiasm to carry on his work." There is some truth in that, of course, but it is an interpretation which remains on the surface of things.

The truth is that when the spirit of a prophet or an Initiate reaches the next world he continues to hold the same convictions and to nourish the same desire to enlighten human beings and help them to evolve. So he goes on with his work in conditions which give him a far better chance of propagating his ideas. This is why the death of certain Initiates did nothing to hinder their ideas from spreading. You only have to look at the extraordinary expansion of Christianity after the death of Jesus.

Criminals should not be punished by death, therefore, because of the consequences on the invisible plane. It is up to human beings to make sure that the conditions of life are such that there will be no more evil-doers. But as long as society is not built on true spiritual foundations it can only be a swamp, and swamps are always a breeding ground for mosquitoes... that is to say, criminals. In these conditions it is an illusion to think that justice can ever be done."

"Killing a person does not eradicate their ideology, because others will take it up and it will live on with even greater momentum. In the other world, the spirit of a prophet or a martyr continues to hold the same convictions, the same desire to enlighten human beings and to help them evolve. While he was on earth, it was not possible for him to meet everyone capable of taking in his ideas, because these people were too dispersed; but once on the astral plane, he is free to seek them out and influence them. This is why the death of certain Initiates can often enhance the propagation of their ideas.

By remaining on earth, of course, a Master can work, act, and serve as a model, but his influence is limited to a very small number of people: those who surround him, who approach him, who know him. But once disengaged from his physical body, he can rouse a far great number of spirits. This does not mean that he must have himself massacred in order to have more influence. No, but it is useful for you to know the laws governing the material and spiritual worlds. "

"When one kills a man, one destroys really only his prison: the physical body. If you think of being freed of somebody by killing him physically, you make a mistake. That is why the capital punishment is not a good solution; because it is as to break a bottle in which is contained a poison gas. If the bottle is broken, the poison spreads in the world and causes there the biggest damages. One guillotined for example a dangerous murderer; really one only killed his body, but his soul did not die. Now he turns out free in the invisible world, he is going to visit certain number of people, rather criminals as he. He tries to infiltrate in their head to suggest them the abominable projects which, because of his death, he had not yet been able to carry out, and so he produces more evil than when he was still in his body of flesh."

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There are no astral bodies, spirits etc. These are childish beliefs of humanity and stupid political humanisms.

Learn some biology.
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There are no astral bodies, spirits etc. These are childish beliefs of humanity and stupid political humanisms.

Learn some biology.
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You think you are right? How about millions near death experiences. I doubt people were just hallucinating.
"Tumbling, burning with white hot fire, I plunged into the depths of the abyss. Unspeakable pain, relentless agony, time ceased to exist.
Only this torture and a deepening hatred of the hypocrisy that damned me to this hell.
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There are no astral bodies, spirits etc. These are childish beliefs of humanity and stupid political humanisms.

Learn some biology.
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Thread: Mellen-Thomas Benedict's Near-Death Experience

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What about suicide? How does that affect life after death?
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There are no astral bodies, spirits etc. These are childish beliefs of humanity and stupid political humanisms.

Learn some biology.
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You think you are right? How about millions near death experiences. I doubt people were just hallucinating.
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ALERT

Biological ignorance detected.
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What about suicide? How does that affect life after death?
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Doing away with yourself is not the best way of avoiding challenges and suffering, because things are actually even worse afterwards. Nobody has the right to decide on their own death; it is a desertion, which has to be paid for with further suffering. There is no place above for those who want to leave; they will not be welcomed: they have to wander in the lower regions of the astral plane for as much time as they had left to live on earth. The attitude of those who decide to put an end to their days reveals great failings in them. Firstly, they are ignorant, since they do not see the purpose of the trials they have to undergo. Next, they are conceited, since they think they know better than heaven the conditions they deserve. Lastly, they are weak, since they cannot bear difficulties. So we have ignorance, conceit and weakness. And heaven is displeased, because they have abandoned their post. Heaven cannot have regard for those who make the decision to do away with themselves, because they are placing themselves above the lords of all destiny, and they will later have to undergo great suffering.

Parents who watch their child die will ask themselves, ‘But why?’ What comfort can they find in the words of the priest or the pastor who replies that ‘it is God’s will’? Was it really God’s will that their child should become ill and die? Was it God who wanted their son to kill himself in a road accident one evening, after drinking too much with his friends? Was it God who wanted their child to take drugs or commit suicide? We can understand that in their distress men and women seek answers from the church, as well as from doctors and psychologists. The replies they receive will depend on the quality of those they question. But what they should know is that at times of great trial the real answers lie within themselves. So, while they continue to question other people if they need to, they should make the effort to turn within and look into their own soul and spirit. The only answers that can bring them peace will be the ones they obtain by questioning the Divinity that lives within them.

The act of suicide is a grave offence against the life that God has given us. I am not referring to those completely exceptional circumstances which lead certain people to end their lives in order to save other human beings. I am talking about all those cases in which men and women, by committing suicide, reveal that they did not know how to put to use all that the Creator has placed in their intellect, their heart, and their will. He who has a good understanding of things knows that a higher world exists, that it is inhabited by a multitude of wise and loving creatures, and that our task is to study this world which has left its imprint on the physical world. He understands that feelings and desires are so powerful that, with patience and tenacity, he can realise his highest wishes. Finally, he realises he can consider every difficulty as a means of exercising and demonstrating his will. Never will such a person decide voluntarily to end his life. Even misery, deprivation, sickness and solitude will not be able to defeat him. It is he who will triumph.

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Don't believe this Swiss theologican and his crap, please do some learning on biology, neurochemistry, neuropsychology etc.
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Don't believe this Swiss theologican and his crap, please do some learning on biology, neurochemistry, neuropsychology etc.
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"The lack of understanding that prevails between men of science and men of faith comes from the fact that the former base their convictions on visible, objective reality, whereas the latter base theirs on an invisible, subjective reality. But both points of view are incomplete, because each has a tendency to give priority to one aspect to the detriment of the other.

The universe is an entity that we can grasp from the outside by means of science, and from the inside by means of religion, because the human being itself is a unity capable of living in both the objective and the subjective worlds, in both the exterior and interior worlds. Instead of opposing each other, science and religion should complete each other. In any case, it is not science that opposes religion or vice versa, it is scientists and people of religion who oppose each other, because their knowledge is incomplete."

"Just as religion has never been able to annihilate science, science will never be able to wipe out religion, because they are founded on identical laws. There is neither division nor contradiction between the two. Divisions and contradictions exist only in the minds of ignorant people who do not know how God created the universe. Science properly understood can help believers concentrate on what is essential, and religion properly understood gives science its true dimension. Each has its specific function, and from now must co-exist within every human being. Yes, if science and religion are to cease waging war in society, they must first call a truce in each human being, because it is here that the ravages are greatest. When a man of faith opposes a man of science - and vice versa - he believes he is attacking an adversary exterior to himself. Not at all! He is attacking himself."

Science, like religion, is responsible for the evolution of humanity. The true scientists are those who see the possible consequences of their discoveries in all realms of life, including the psychic realm; for the physical and psychic worlds obey the same laws, and every discovery made in the physical world can also be applied to the psychic world. Physicists have made discoveries about the waves and energy currents that circulate throughout space, as well as about light and its power. The practical application of these discoveries has been extraordinary, of course: the telephone, radio, television, the laser… and so many more besides! But what benefits have human beings themselves derived from these for their own evolution? They should have understood that they themselves emit and receive waves and currents, that their thoughts possess the same powers as light. It is dangerous when the only applications for scientific progress are practical ones that make life easier. Scientific progress should indicate new psychic and spiritual directions. Only then is it true progress.

Many Christians abandon religion because they think scientific discoveries contradict or dispel the truths of faith. Well, this proves they have understood nothing, neither about science nor about religion because, quite to the contrary, the discoveries made by science actually emphasize the truths of faith, which are the truths of initiatic science. In reality there is no conflict between science and religion. They walk together, and moreover art walks with them. The three are linked. Science is there to give human beings light, religion to give them warmth, and art to give them activity. And because in human beings they are held together, they should neither be separated nor should preference be given to one at the detriment of the other. If God has given human beings an intellect, a heart, and a will it is so that they may work together; so that the intellect may do its work in the field of science, the heart in the realm of religion and the will in the realm of creation, of art.

"Any attempt to attack religion in the name of objectivity, of science or of reason is an enterprise doomed to failure, because we can no more suppress religious feeling than we can suppress other feelings. This is a domain in which reason by itself has no place. The sense of the sacred, the need human beings feel to be connected to a higher world, to the divine world in which they have their origin, is inscribed in their very structure. We may try to deny it, to fight it, or to pull it out by the roots, and for a time we may even succeed. But this success will not last and, sooner or later, we will also have to recognize all the harm such efforts have caused, not only to individuals, but to society as well."

"Because of the enormous advances made by science, many scientists, thinkers and philosophers believe it could replace religion, which, as far as they are concerned, only stupefies human beings. Why not replace religion with science? That’s fair enough, provided they can take science to another dimension and broaden the field of inquiry.

What was to stop science and religion from being two ways of looking at the same reality, with science focusing on the physical world and religion on the spiritual world, since man was made to live in both worlds simultaneously? All it would have taken was for people to be aware of the dual aspects of reality and not to want to favour one at the expense of the other. And yet, what the West has done over the course of the last few centuries is either reject science in the name of religion or else reject religion in the name of science. They haven’t understood that the truth lay in the harmonious balance of the two. For the universe is a unity."

"Religion is first and foremost a science based on an understanding of human beings as they were created in the image of God. We can say, therefore, that the foundations of religion are inscribed in the human being himself. When God created us, he put his seal on us, and no matter what we do, we cannot rid ourselves of it, because it is written in our basic structure. In this sense, human beings are not absolutely free; they cannot escape this imprint, this schema according to which their entire being is constructed. On the other hand, they have the greatest possible freedom to manifest the divine predestination they bear within them. This is why there are so many religions which, depending on where and when they came into being, have taken on such a rich diversity of forms."

"True religion is the science of connection. So, it is no use repeating that the word ‘religion’ comes from the Latin religare ‘to connect’, if all Christians have in their heads is separation.

You will say, ‘But the connection implied by the word ‘religion’ refers to our connection with God.’ That’s true, but, if a connection with God is accompanied by separation from everything else, what meaning does it have? The same bond that links the Creator to his creatures connects all creatures to each other and to all the elements of creation. True religion is based on an understanding of this link. So true religion also includes science, the knowledge of nature and its laws. That is why the separation between science and religion, of which some people are so proud, is totally meaningless. Those who separate religion and science have not truly understood either."

Imagine a man inside a sphere, another, outside. The one inside, of course, sees it as concave and the one outside, as convex. Both men discuss and squabble; it is impossible to have them agree.

Now let us interpret. The one who is inside the sphere is the heart: he observes life from inside - subjectively - that is with emotion, feeling, and sensation. The one who is outside is the intellect that observes things from outside - objectively, rationally. This is why discussions and confrontations have gone on for centuries between the heart and the intellect, between religion and science. Which is right? Both of them, but only 50% each. That is why a third observer comes along and says: 'The sphere is both concave and convex,' then of course the other two get angry and consider him insane. In reality, the latter is a wise man who contemplates truth in its entirety. This sage is our intuition, which has the capacity of bringing together thought and feeling to see things simultaneously from outside and from inside... Yes, to know the true reality of things, one must be both subjective and objective, standing both inside and outside.

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Why is Life so Unjust? - the Law of Reincarnation

As we go through life we come across people who are rich, handsome, intelligent, powerful and successful in every way. And then we see others who are so poor and defenceless that their life is an endless series of failures. What is the reason for such differences in their circumstances? Many people are outraged by what they think of as the injustice of fate. If you ask a scientist to explain these inequalities he will say that it is a question of chance. And if you ask a priest or a pastor he will tell you that it is the will of God. Some might talk about predestination and grace, but that only adds to the injustice! In any case, to say that "it is the will of God" is almost the same thing as saying that "it is a question of chance".

If we analyse the priest's answer we are forced to conclude that God gives everything to some and nothing to others. We don't know why; that's just the way it is. But that's not all: it seems that He gets very angry when those to whom He has given nothing good, either in themselves or in their circumstances, turn out to be vicious and stupid and commit crimes. He even punishes them! Since God is almighty He could have made all His creatures magnificent, but He didn't. So not only is it His fault if men commit crimes but He then punishes them for their crimes. No wonder so many people have a horror of religion!

The truth is that there is a very good reason for all the apparent injustices of life, and that is the law of reincarnation. The Church has never realized that, by denying this law, it was portraying the Lord as a monster of cruelty.

The explanation is simple: at the beginning God gave us everything. But He also gave us freedom, and we have used that freedom to indulge in some very costly experiences. Of course, the Lord sees all this but as He is generous and patient He lets us work things out for ourselves. He says, "My poor children are going to suffer and run into trouble, but that doesn't matter: all my love and wealth is there, waiting for them. They have plenty of reincarnations ahead of them in which to learn wisdom." In other words, God lets us exercise our freedom, and all the bad things that happen to us happen through our own fault: we have deserved them. And we have also deserved all the good things that happen to us: they are the results of our efforts in previous incarnations.

Why does the Church put all the blame on God for what happens to us? Perhaps you will object, "The Church doesn't blame God; it has simply suppressed the belief in reincarnation." Yes, but if you think about it, you will see that it amounts to the same thing. And it is very serious, because the knowledge about this law of reincarnation is one of the cornerstones of morality. As long as people are unaware of the law of cause and effect which carries over from one incarnation to the next, no amount of preaching or sermonizing will do any good. They won't change. And not only will they refuse to change but, seeing themselves as the victims of social injustice, they will rebel against their fate and become more and more jealous and full of hate for those who seem to be more privileged, with the result that their situation will be even more complicated. But someone who knows that all the difficulties and hardships of this life are the result of his past transgressions will not only accept them as just but will also make up his mind to work for good so as to enjoy better conditions in his future incarnations.

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Do you get some kind of a sick pleasure from lying?
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Dolores Canon wrote a lot of books on this; quite interesting!

We need to let go of the HOW and WHY questions... focus on what we can do to make things better :)

So many words! Images are so much quicker... a starry night, sunrise over the ocean, birds frolicking in the trees, a mother cuddling a baby, a dad playing with his kids...

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This is where science is incapable of going ;)
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Oh, spare me the copy/paste crap.
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Spare yourself. You are the one who came into this thread to ridicule. So spare yourself and go.
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The life force continues.

The body mind most people identify with however does not come along for the ride.
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We don't reach the Kingdom of God by doing good works in the world to make up for sins committed in previous incarnations. The teachings of Jesus Christ blow this theory to pieces. We merely have to accept the gift that is offered to us. In return we pledge our love and faith to God eternally. This is the essence of Christianity.

During a long a incredibly exhausting past life regression hypnosis session, I left my body and encountered my 2 guardian angels, who in the past had revealed themselves to me on a couple of occasions. They forbade me from looking at past lives because it is irrelevant. They wanted my focus to stay on higher truths in the Holy Spirit. Going backwards would have been detrimental to my journey.
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There are no astral bodies, spirits etc. These are childish beliefs of humanity and stupid political humanisms.

Learn some biology.
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I'll have a soul, you can deny yours. The choice is up to you.

Read my old threads OP. You're spot on with your assessment, I'm guessing you have practiced your meditation for some time.

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What about suicide? How does that affect life after death?
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The torment you could possibly create for yourself is a very high risk.

Even the Japanese "Harri-Kari" done out of dishonor or refusing to be interrogated can cause this torment.

If you kill yourself, it would be very hard to forgive yourself for doing it.
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After death you and your beliefs will cease to exist, meaning: you will be nonexistent.
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Nope. That is just you. Bye-bye.
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But then the question arises: what is an angel? An angel is an immortal being made of such pure, subtle matter that nothing evil or obscure can affect it.
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Oh, OK.
So Satan and the demons are what, elves?

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a whimsical perspective
induced is one thing
I found a way to reenact what was deliberately forced upon me
it's a piece of shit rip-off not even 1/1000 compensation
and the bill for doing it to people without consent goes on with interest forever

perhaps spiritually sound advice
yet it doesn't just happen automatically, any more so that your shoes tying themselves

perhaps punctuate those paragraphs with the screams of torment that drive a creature from their life out into an astral realm of sanctuary from the overpowering urge to no longer suffer this piece of shit World full of idiots

those words likely came from illicit knowledge gained by victims of torture and distress who did not understand the reality of their experience and we're likely silenced after some bloated, blasphemous directives could be chartered as doctrine.
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a whimsical perspective
induced is one thing
I found a way to reenact what was deliberately forced upon me
it's a piece of shit rip-off not even 1/1000 compensation
and the bill for doing it to people without consent goes on with interest forever

perhaps spiritually sound advice
yet it doesn't just happen automatically, any more so that your shoes tying themselves

perhaps punctuate those paragraphs with the screams of torment that drive a creature from their life out into an astral realm of sanctuary from the overpowering urge to no longer suffer this piece of shit World full of idiots

those words likely came from illicit knowledge gained by victims of torture and distress who did not understand the reality of their experience and we're likely silenced after some bloated, blasphemous directives could be chartered as doctrine.
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Useless gibberish.
Learn to say something clearly.
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This darn chinese > english translator machine is busted.

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Death and the Life Beyond

Initiatic Science teaches that man is a reflection, a replica, of the universe and that, like the universe, he is composed of different regions or 'bodies'. The established sciences still refuse to admit any such thing, and many of their errors, particularly in medicine and psychology, stem from this negation.

The Hindu tradition (which has been adopted by the majority of spiritual movements) divides man into seven different bodies1. The most densely material of these, and the only one that is visible to us, is the physical body, but there are six others: the etheric, astral, mental, Causal, Buddhic and Atmic bodies, each of which is composed of progressively subtler matter. Actually, the etheric body should really be considered as belonging to the physical body. It exists in four states known as 'chemical ether', 'vital ether', 'light ether' and 'reflective ether'; thus we can say that the physical body itself can be divided into seven: the three physical states of solid, liquid and gaseous, plus the four etheric states. The same is true of the astral body which, like each of the other bodies, can also be divided into seven: three lower regions and the four higher regions in which dwell the angels.

1 See Man's Psychic Life; Elements and Structures (Izvor Collection No. 222)

But then the question arises: what is an angel? An angel is an immortal being made of such pure, subtle matter that nothing evil or obscure can affect it. Angels dwell in absolute joy and light and know everything except suffering, for suffering is the result of a disturbance caused by a movement of the lower nature, and an angel cannot be affected by this because it is absolutely pure. Angels do not exist on the physical level. They exist only in the higher reaches of the astral plane.

At the limit between the higher and lower regions of the astral plane is an intermediate zone inhabited by those who are in the process of perfecting themselves, of severing the bonds that tie them to the lower world, but who can still suffer the torments of these lower astral and physical regions. Thus the astral body is a world both of suffering and of joy: of joy when man, at last, manages to refine and purify his desires; of suffering when he is still on too low a level, when his appetites and passions still have too strong a hold on him.

At the moment of death man detaches himself from his physical body, but this separation does not mean that he is instantly set free. To begin with, in fact, he will be even more susceptible to torment than when he was on earth. This is because, when we are on earth, our physical body serves as a shell or armor and prevents us from feeling the reality of the psychic world. But when we die and find ourselves on the astral plane, released from our physical body and the protection it once afforded us, we are liable to experience terrible suffering and unhappiness. Hell is simply the experience of a very intense state of consciousness on the astral plane and we can escape from it only when we have been purified by suffering. When death comes to those who have lived in debauchery, injustice, viciousness and cruelty and who have managed to escape punishment at the hands of human justice, they find themselves on the astral plane, face to face with all the evil they have ever committed. There is no escape and no protection; they no longer have their physical body to protect them and make them less sensitive, so they experience all the torments and sufferings that they imposed on others during their life on earth.

You have all had nightmares, I imagine, and you know that they usually end abruptly when you wake up and suddenly feel enormously relieved to find yourself safely at home in your physical body: 'Oh, thank God! It was only a dream!' Why do you wake up so suddenly? Because you know, subconsciously, that you must get back into your physical body in order to defend yourself against hostile beings or forces of the astral plane: your physical body is a fortress in which you are safe from attack. If you stayed on the astral plane you would continue to be at the mercy of your enemies, so you escape from them by going back into the thick, solid protection of your physical body. It is exactly as though your were being pursued by armed men, on the physical level, and you dived into the safety of a solid building where their knives and guns cannot reach you.

The same law holds good on every level: it can happen, for instance, that somebody leaves his physical body while he is meditating and is drawn into dangerous areas of the astral plane in which he finds himself threatened and pursued. The first thing to do, in a case like this, is to flee to the protection of one's physical body.

The physical body is a good, solid fortress, but when one leaves it at the time of death, every transgression of the laws of love, wisdom and truth has to be paid for on the astral plane. I assure you, I am not inventing anything: all the great Masters of mankind have told us this; the greatest artists, painters and poets have portrayed this world in their works of art, and people who have been clinically dead for three or four days have returned to tell us what they had seen in the astral world. Heaven allows a few people to have experiences of this kind from time to time in order to remind human beings of certain truths and persuade them to mend their ways.

After death, therefore, men have to suffer, on the astral plane, all the evil they have inflicted on others and pay the penalty for all their transgressions. It is not that Cosmic Intelligence needs to revenge Itself or punish them; all It wants is that they be fully conscious of what they did on earth because, very often, they have inflicted suffering on others without even realizing it, and it is this ignorance that is unacceptable, for it prevents them from evolving. Cosmic Intelligence makes us experience all the evil we have done to others so that we may learn just what our actions have meant and begin to improve. The time spent on this level depends on the gravity of our faults. Some, who have never committed any serious crimes, pass through this stage very rapidly; others have to suffer for years and years.

Once a man has paid every penny of his dept he rises to the first level of the higher astral plane where he experiences an extraordinary state of joy and wonderment because of the happiness he has given to others on earth. At this point it is time for him to experience all that he has ever done to help and encourage others, to restore their hope and awaken their faith and love. He experiences all this, amplified to an infinite degree, on the astral plane. And it is only then that he fully realizes what he did on earth. Certain highly evolved beings do good to others without knowing how many people receive joy, happiness and life through their actions: they do it instinctively, without conscious thought. But Cosmic Intelligence wants every man to be fully conscious so, after death, these unconscious benefactors are astounded to see, feel and understand all the good they have done. Their next step is to rise to the Causal Plane, and there they receive the secret treasures of Wisdom; all the mysteries of the universe are revealed to them; they are allowed to see and contemplate all the beauty of the Heavenly regions. Later, they rise to the Buddhic plane where they become one with the Universal Soul and dwell in bliss beyond description. As for the Atmic plane, words cannot express what they experience on this plane as they fuse into one with their Creator.

When man reincarnates2 he passes through all the same regions, beginning with the Atmic, Buddhic, Causal, and so on and, in each region, he collects the materials he needs to weave a new garment, a new body, which becomes progressively denser and more opaque as he descends to the lower levels of matter. When he is finally born again, as a human baby, he remembers nothing of all this: neither his sufferings nor his joys nor even what he learned. But it is all there, inside him, and it will all come back to him one day if he accepts certain disciplines and rules of life under the guidance of a spiritual Master. Those who succeed in bringing to the surface the memory of their experiences in the other world evolve much more rapidly.

Unfortunately, most people are so attached to the pleasures and passions of the earth that it will be a very long time before they take advantage of all this knowledge, all those treasures buried deep within them. Blessed are those who know and believe these truths, for they will be incapable of being satisfied with a mediocre way of life. They will continually want to grow and advance in intelligence, love and self-dominance, so as to become useful to the whole of humanity.

But let me get back to the most important: whether or not we believe in the life of the soul after death, without our knowing it, everything we do is recorded. Nature does much more wonderful things than even the most skilled electronic engineer: at the apex of man's heart, she places a tiny spool of magnetic tape, no bigger than an atom, which records everything he does all his life long. When he leaves this world, he leaves his physical body behind but he takes this tiny reel of tape with him, and his judges invite him to watch it with them so that he can see every detail of the life he has just lived.

2 In this connection, see Man, Master of His Destiny (Collection Izvor, No. 201)

Yes, no one can escape from this law: everything in life is recorded; we have to pay on the astral plane for every transgression committed here below, and we feel everything with far greater intensity because we are no longer protected by our physical body. There is nothing worse than to be naked and vulnerable on the astral plane, for one feels the thoughts and feelings of the living as a direct attack, as though they were biting, piercing and burning us. There is no escape from them. Even the mourning and tears of those left behind on earth are a torment for the dead. It is only when they reach the Causal plane that they become invulnerable and nothing can affect them any more; they are at the centre of a magic circle of light and nothing can enter this circle if they do not want it to.

The things that concern the soul and the spirit are truly extraordinary, and you, who are in an Initiatic School, will learn a great deal if you are sufficiently patient and persevering. But I must warn you to be careful: if you allow yourselves to be beguiled by frivolous trivialities and abandon the treasures of the spiritual dimension for the sake of the petty pleasures of everyday life, when the time comes for you to move on to the next world you will go through terrifying states of consciousness because you will have failed to appreciate that which was pure, sacred and divine.

You will object, 'But I haven't killed anyone. I've never done anything really serious!' That is where you are wrong; it is serious to be negligent! The fact that you have failed to appreciate the divine dimension is an argument against you. It means that you have lived such a shameful life in the past, that your mental and astral bodies became deformed and distorted. In this way you put so many obstacles in the way of your own evolution that you now lack the elements that would make you sensitive to the divine world, and you are going to have to suffer in order to acquire them.

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OP, please let go of this total nonsense and seek Jesus Christ with all of your heart. His ways are so much simpler than all of this, as comedian calls it, gibberish.
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Man's wisdom or God's Wisdom?

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Do you get some kind of a sick pleasure from lying?
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My question is, why are yoi so afraid, so against an after life?

Have you done some really bad things that you figure that of you denie that their is an after life you want have any punishment?

I find that people who live lives where they do bad things seem to hope for no after life to avoid hell.

It doesnt matter if what is being said here is the way ot will be or not, there will be an after life.

Something created you, life is not just for 80 years and then nothing, that would make no sense, there has to be something after death.

So, come to grip with it, start getting right with God, start prayimg, get foegiveness, get prepared.

At least in this version of the afterlife you will finally one day reach Heaven.

In my beliefs you go to hell and never reach Heaven, if you were not saved.





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