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Emergency Heater fuels and heaters Primer--propane, kerosene, diesel--revised

 
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Emergency Heater fuels and heaters Primer--propane, kerosene, diesel--revised
Winter is coming.

Info on different fuels and heaters for those without natural gas or wood stoves.

Propane
Comes in cannisters of 1 lb, 20 lb, 30 lb, 50 lb and 100 lb.
The empty (tare) weight of the containers/tanks is 18 pounds for the 20 lb and 70 lb for the 100 lb. A woman can lift a full (38 lb) 20 lb canister, but it takes two strong men to lift the full 100 lb tank (170 lb). Propane weighs 0.51 of water, so a 20 lb tank contains about 4.7 gallons of propane.
A gallon of propane provides 90,000 BTU. A single tank-top heater is usually adjustable from 9000 to 15,000 BTU/hr.
At low setting (9000), a gallon would last about ten hours , so a 20 lb tank could last almost 47 hour--but it won't last quite that long.
Refills of 20 lb tanks costs about $16.

Kerosene
Kersosene can be purchased at Lowe's or other hardware for about $45 for 5 gallon can. If you can find a gas station that sells to put in your own container, it will cost $4-$5 per gallon.
Newer kerosene heaters have a catalytic burner that burns hotter than the older models. The newer models like Dynaglo have a fiberglass wick. It can survive hotter temps than the older cotton wicks. Clean kerosene is necessary for these wicks--they will plug up with diesel as a fuel. They are not adjustable as far as heating--you adjust them to get the right amount of flame for clean burning.
The heaters like Dynaglo can be purchased in 10.5 K BTU or 23 K BTU. The smaller heater will use 1.1 gallon (full tank) in about 8-ten hours. Heat adjustment is by turning off or opening window if too hot. Larger heater will burn twice as much fuel.
The tank should be burned to empty to help the wick stay cleaner

Diesel
The new ultra low sulfur diesel can be burned in the older kerosene heaters that have a cotton wick (not fiberglass). These are heaters like "Perfection" heaters. But additives are needed to keep the wick a bit cleaner--diesel fuel injector cleaner (pint per 100 gallons) and 91% isopropyl alcohol (pint per 5 gallons). This will help your wick stay clean.
Also, with the old cotton wicks, do not burn them till empty--that will burn off 1/4 inch of wick and shorten wick life.
Always fill and light your kerosene or diesel heater outside, and don't take inside till odor free and no smoke.

Always leave a window cracked in small rooms where combustible fuels are being used.

Last Edited by MarPep on 12/20/2016 09:29 AM
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Buy a carbon monoxide detector
don't be cheap- it is worth your life
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Re: Emergency Heater fuels and heaters Primer--propane, kerosene, diesel--revised
Kerosene is the distillate between gasoline and diesel. I don't know why it costs twice as much as either gasoline or diesel.



Combustible hydrocarbon fuels are named according to the number of carbon atoms and the boiling points:
Methane 1 (1 through 4 are gases at normal temperature and pressure)
Ethane 2
Propane 3
Butane 4
and generally:
Hexane and napthas--5->10
Gasoline 8->11
Kerosene and diesel 12->18
Oils-18-21

Most hydrocarbons of 20 or more carbon atoms are solids (grease)
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What's the precede on heat adjustment again
Corrected

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ok ...And reason has been posted... good

Carry on
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Keep flues clear and remember that different wood has different heat

Best heat is free. Wood pickens.

And my glass-enclosed porch on the southern side of the house will be finished soon.
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you can zap my posts if needed

repost any info you deem useful
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Kerosene is the distillate between gasoline and diesel. I don't know why it costs twice as much as either gasoline or diesel.


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Same as high octane fuel; cost is set by demand rather than manufacturing cost.
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Kerosene is the distillate between gasoline and diesel. I don't know why it costs twice as much as either gasoline or diesel.


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Same as high octane fuel; cost is set by demand rather than manufacturing cost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4187563


So, besides jet fuel, where is the high demand?
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Kerosene is the distillate between gasoline and diesel. I don't know why it costs twice as much as either gasoline or diesel.


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Same as high octane fuel; cost is set by demand rather than manufacturing cost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4187563


So, besides jet fuel, where is the high demand?
 Quoting: MarPep


My son in law "informed me" that high octane fuel cost more because it was "refined more".

I explained that oil is thicker than the crude from which it is refined, so actually high octane fuel(more dense/heavier than standard gasoline) ...is refined less.

they charge more because people will pay it
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Flueless LP fireplaces and heaters. You get all the heat. You can buy flueless logs at northern [email protected]@ls and harbo fright.

So far multi-fuel means pellets or corn. If thet were serious, it would be pellets, corn, LP and nat gas. Maybe even in a flueless configuration.
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Some combination of "zero" and "hours" and maybe a "parentheses" causes an automatic addition of "posting kiddie porn on twitter"--damnedest thing I've had happen on GLP--or maybe my computer has a virus/Trojan horse??

Last Edited by MarPep on 12/20/2016 09:23 AM
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Re: Emergency Heater fuels and heaters Primer--propane, kerosene, diesel--revised
Kerosene is the distillate between gasoline and diesel. I don't know why it costs twice as much as either gasoline or diesel.


 Quoting: MarPep



Same as high octane fuel; cost is set by demand rather than manufacturing cost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4187563


So, besides jet fuel, where is the high demand?
 Quoting: MarPep


My son in law "informed me" that high octane fuel cost more because it was "refined more".

I explained that oil is thicker than the crude from which it is refined, so actually high octane fuel(more dense/heavier than standard gasoline) ...is refined less.

they charge more because people will pay it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37044226

I think octane refers to eight-
carbon hydrocarbons-- specifically trimethylpentane, which was given a rating of 100 for resisting engine knock/pre-ignition, and was one of the lightest and most volatile of the gasoline portion of the distillates. heptane was given a zero rating on the "octane scale"

Last Edited by MarPep on 12/21/2016 11:55 PM
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It's happening again.

Some combination of "zero" and "hours" and maybe a "parentheses" causes an automatic addition of "posting kiddie porn on twitter"--damnedest thing I've had happen on GLP--or maybe my computer has a virus/Trojan horse??
 Quoting: MarPep


Zero/////hour was the anon guy discrediting pizzagate. Nevermind. Yours is valid
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Re: Emergency Heater fuels and heaters Primer--propane, kerosene, diesel--revised
Kerosene is the distillate between gasoline and diesel. I don't know why it costs twice as much as either gasoline or diesel.


 Quoting: MarPep



Same as high octane fuel; cost is set by demand rather than manufacturing cost.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4187563


So, besides jet fuel, where is the high demand?
 Quoting: MarPep


My son in law "informed me" that high octane fuel cost more because it was "refined more".

I explained that oil is thicker than the crude from which it is refined, so actually high octane fuel(more dense/heavier than standard gasoline) ...is refined less.

they charge more because people will pay it
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 37044226


Higher octane fuel is just more resistant to pre ignition in an auto engine.

Diesel/heating oil is the most energy dense option.
That is why diesels used to get better mpg than gas, and gas better mpg than natural gas.

Energy density is the amount of heat you get from burning a fuel.
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Few transportation fuels surpass the energy densities of gasoline and diesel


[link to www.eia.gov]
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They mention ethanol in that chart in the link I just posted..
[link to www.eia.gov]

Ethanol has a lesser energy density than gasoline.
Hence why ethanol laced fuel results in lower MPG.
The ethanol production is bad for the environment and the benefits will never outweigh the harm done.
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It's happening again.

Some combination of "zero" and "hours" and maybe a "parentheses" causes an automatic addition of "posting kiddie porn on twitter"--damnedest thing I've had happen on GLP--or maybe my computer has a virus/Trojan horse??
 Quoting: MarPep


Zero/////hour was the anon guy discrediting pizzagate. Nevermind. Yours is valid
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73635236


Thanks, I did a search on this and I'm sure you are correct--it was Trin getting rid of a nut rather than my post. Thanks again.
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Bump

This thread really is for folks who might use info on emergency heaters and fuel.

Ignore the stuff about "posting kiddie porn on twitter"--that was triggered by an automated order from the boss regarding a poster with a handle similar to "0" and "hours" mentioned together.

Last Edited by MarPep on 12/19/2016 06:47 PM
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Re: Emergency Heater fuels and heaters Primer--propane, kerosene, diesel--revised
Winter is coming.

Info on different fuels and heaters for those without natural gas or wood stoves.

Propane
Comes in cannisters of 1 lb, 20 lb, 30 lb, 50 lb and 100 lb.
The empty (tare) weight of the containers/tanks is 18 pounds for the 20 lb and 70 lb for the 100 lb. A woman can lift a full (38 lb) 20 lb canister, but it takes two strong men to lift the full 100 lb tank (170 lb). Propane weighs 0.51 of water, so a 20 lb tank contains about 4.7 gallons of propane.
A gallon of propane provides 90,000 BTU. A single tank-top heater is usually adjustable from 9000 to 15,000 BTU/hr.
At low setting (9000), a gallon would last about 1(posting kiddie porn on twitter feeds , so a 20 lb tank could last almost 47 hour--but it won't last quite that long.
Refills of 20 lb tanks costs about $16.

Kerosene
Kersosene can be purchased at Lowe's or other hardware for about $45 for 5 gallon can. If you can find a gas station that sells to put in your own container, it will cost $4-$5 per gallon.
Newer kerosene heaters have a catalytic burner that burns hotter than the older models. The newer models like Dynaglo have a fiberglass wick. It can survive hotter temps than the older cotton wicks. Clean kerosene is necessary for these wicks--they will plug up with diesel as a fuel. They are not adjustable as far as heating--you adjust them to get the right amount of flame for clean burning.
The heaters like Dynaglo can be purchased in 10.5 K BTU or 23 K BTU. The smaller heater will use 1.1 gallon (full tank) in about 8-1posting kiddie porn on twitter feeds posting kiddie porn on twitter feeds. Heat adjustment is by turning off or opening window if too hot. Larger heater will burn twice as much fuel.
The tank should be burned to empty to help the wick stay cleaner

Diesel
The new ultra low sulfur diesel can be burned in the older kerosene heaters that have a cotton wick (not fiberglass). These are heaters like "Perfection" heaters. But additives are needed to keep the wick a bit cleaner--diesel fuel injector cleaner (pint per 100 gallons) and 91% isopropyl alcohol (pint per 5 gallons). This will help your wick stay clean.
Also, with the old cotton wicks, do not burn them till empty--that will burn off 1/4 inch of wick and shorten wick life.
Always fill and light your kerosene or diesel heater outside, and don't take inside till odor free and no smoke.

Always leave a window cracked in small rooms where combustible fuels are being used.
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The post immediately above shows what had happened to the OP. Combination of "0" and of "hours" led to an automated "reason" for dismissing a certain poster.

bump

Last Edited by MarPep on 12/20/2016 09:27 AM
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I thought the Fumes from Kerosene were deadly??


NO??
Revelation 18:23
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I thought the Fumes from Kerosene were deadly??


NO??
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Apparently not. I'm still breathing and posting.





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