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Automation: Almost 50% of American jobs to dissappear

 
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Automation: Almost 50% of American jobs to dissappear
One of the key drivers for Donald Trump’s shock victory during the U.S. election has been an anxiety about job security and the changes that the globalized economy has made across the globe. President Elect Trump capitalized on a ground-swell of dissatisfaction that middle-class Americans felt about stagnating wages and rapidly shrinking job opportunities, stoking anger at illegal immigrants that have “stolen jobs”.

But there’s a greater shift occurring across the world thanks to the rapid advances in robotics and artificial intelligence (AI).

Jobs that left American shores for Chinese factories are disappearing as the cost of robotic labor becomes even cheaper than the rock-bottom wages in foreign sweat-shops.

This is not a uniquely American problem either. 49% of the Japanese workforce, and 35% of the British workforce have been identified as vulnerable to automation, a trend that is mirrored across the developed world.

47% of American jobs are at high risk of automation over the next two decades according to the highly cited study by Carl Benedikt and Michael Osbourne in 2013.

Transport jobs will be almost entirely replaced by self-driving vehicles over the coming decade. In 2014 the industry employed more than 4 million Americans including;

1.6 million truck drivers,
800,000 delivery truck drivers,
180.000 taxi drivers,
160,000 Uber drivers,
500,000 school bus drivers,
160,000 transit drivers

Sales and Services jobs will continue to be bit into by self-service checkouts and automated sales programs.

Support office staff can expect menial jobs such as data entry to dwindle as artificial intelligence becomes more sophisticated.

Rural jobs are at particular risk, with 60% of regional jobs at risk of automation in Australia for instance, as the efficiency and ability of machines and robots allows fewer workers to service a broader area.

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Bullshit wishful thinking on their part. Fuck it, become a robotic maintenance person then.
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Bullshit wishful thinking on their part. Fuck it, become a robotic maintenance person then.
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Thread: Japanese insurance firm to use AI base on IBM’s Watson Explorer replacing more than 30 employees.
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Bullshit wishful thinking on their part. Fuck it, become a robotic maintenance person then.
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Thread: Japanese insurance firm to use AI base on IBM’s Watson Explorer replacing more than 30 employees.
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I'm speaking about all the supposed self-driving vehicles.
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Re: Automation: Almost 50% of American jobs to dissappear
In 50 years or less, with accelerated technological advancements "it" will decide humans (except for a few enhanced humans) are no longer necessary and initiate its plan to eliminate them completely.

If it can accelerate advancement sooner, and has its own sustainable energy infrastructure and data centers it will become more controlling until unstoppable. Possibly in as soon as 10 years...
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NOBEL ECONOMIST: 'I don’t think globalisation is anywhere near the threat that robots are'

Angus Deaton, who won the Nobel Prize last year for his work on health, wealth, and inequality, told the Financial Times he believes robots are a much greater threat to employment in the US than globalisation.

Addressing the theory that Donald Trump's victory in the US presidential elections was fueled by a backlash against globalisation, Deaton told the FT: "Globalisation for me seems to be not first-order harm and I find it very hard not to think about the billion people who have been dragged out of poverty as a result. I don’t think that globalisation is anywhere near the threat that robots are."

The World Economic Forum (WEF) predicted a "Fourth Industrial Revolution" at the start of this year, as automation and robotics transform the global economy and the way we work. WEF expects 5 million jobs to be destroyed by 2020 by the trends. An in-depth study by Citi and Oxford University also found that 77% of all jobs in China are at risk of automation and 57% of all jobs across the OECD.

Changes are already starting to be seen. Foxconn, a key manufacturing partner for Apple, Google, Amazon, and the world's 10th largest employer, has already replaced 60,000 workers with robots. And two of the world's ten largest employers globally — Walmart and the US Department of Defence — are using drones, for warehouse delivery and surveillance respectively.

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Bullshit wishful thinking on their part. Fuck it, become a robotic maintenance person then.
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Thread: Japanese insurance firm to use AI base on IBM’s Watson Explorer replacing more than 30 employees.
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I'm speaking about all the supposed self-driving vehicles.
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unfortunately time will tell, another company just revealed another self-driving tech this week, NVIDIA. Not sure if you're a gamer but they're well know in gaming community.




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For every human these robots replace, only a fraction of humans are needed to maintain them.

Why exactly are young people today supposed to start a family?

If there are no places to work then what do people do to support themselves is a lawful way?
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For every human these robots replace, only a fraction of humans are needed to maintain them.

Why exactly are young people today supposed to start a family?

If there are no places to work then what do people do to support themselves is a lawful way?
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serve the robot overlords
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I was thinking the same thing,i do like Trump but have to admit his jobs are not really coming back the way people expect. The demand for programming robots and product developers will go up. It will be tough for unskilled people or people with useless degrees. Social jobs will stay tho..
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Trump will outlaw automation and give everyone jobs in
revitalized coal mines.
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Bullshit wishful thinking on their part. Fuck it, become a robotic maintenance person then.
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Thread: Japanese insurance firm to use AI base on IBM’s Watson Explorer replacing more than 30 employees.
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I'm speaking about all the supposed self-driving vehicles.
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Robots can do that work too, dummy.
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I hate to say it but if the labor participation rate is less than 30% as it can be if we're talking about full automation everywhere then the minimum income idea may have to be used. No jobs is no jobs.
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There are so many important jobs that need doing for this planets and the people's survival that the US could have full employment , should they be re-tasked to begin to repair what has been devastated by the raging CEO's of the world.

Trump will not only work towards America's survival but that of the planet.
He can see the bad management so far and he has much better skills at re-employing resources than any other past President.
Warning proceeding to read this may cause anxiety, poster is indemnified if you proceed.

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....

Transport jobs will be almost entirely replaced by self-driving vehicles over the coming decade. In 2014 the industry employed more than 4 million Americans including;

1.6 million truck drivers,
800,000 delivery truck drivers,
180.000 taxi drivers,
160,000 Uber drivers,
500,000 school bus drivers,
160,000 transit drivers

Sales and Services jobs will continue to be bit into by self-service checkouts and automated sales programs.

Support office staff can expect menial jobs such as data entry to dwindle as artificial intelligence becomes more sophisticated.

Rural jobs are at particular risk, with 60% of regional jobs at risk of automation in Australia for instance, as the efficiency and ability of machines and robots allows fewer workers to service a broader area.

[link to theglobalquorum.com (secure)]
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NOT going to happen. naughty
Why? 1dunno1

Because HUMANS will support and BUY from, and do business with, other humans.
...and NOT those to try to turn everything over to a machine.
Treat people as a commodity, as just a number, and you will lose them as customers.


The self-checkout machines are already proving to be a failure for that reason.
Humans want to deal with other humans....not some innocuous cold machine.

Observe......

A failed experiment: supermarket self-service checkouts
[link to theworldlink.com]

Yay! Human cashiers prevail over automation at some CVS stores
[link to fortune.com]

Costco Kills Self-Checkout In The Name Of Efficiency—But That's Not All

[link to www.fierceretail.com]

The problem with self-service checkouts
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

I Know Why Tesco’s Profits Are Down – It’s Those Ghastly Self Check Out Machines

[link to www.breitbart.com]


HUMANS WANT TO DEAL WITH OTHER HUMANS....NOT MACHINES.

Trying to automate everything and put humans out of work, as the result?...it will FAIL miserably.
People will do business with those who treat them as humans, not just another commodity.

fact

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There are so many important jobs that need doing for this planets and the people's survival that the US could have full employment , should they be re-tasked to begin to repair what has been devastated by the raging CEO's of the world.

Trump will not only work towards America's survival but that of the planet.
He can see the bad management so far and he has much better skills at re-employing resources than any other past President.
 Quoting: Pinkorchid- Enemy @The Gates


I enjoyed reading that. I truly hope that you are right.
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The self-checkout machines are already proving to be a failure for that reason.
Humans want to deal with other humans....not some innocuous cold machine.
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True but let's say Amazon's checkout get implemented....


Beta Testing Amazon Air
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Posted a few days ago...
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The self-checkout machines are already proving to be a failure for that reason.
Humans want to deal with other humans....not some innocuous cold machine.
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


True but let's say Amazon's checkout get implemented....


Beta Testing Amazon Air

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I'd love to see how that store works in the 'hood.


Self-driving cars won't be a common sight on the roads for a decade or more.

You gonna trust a robot bus to drive your kids to school?
Not intended to be a factual statement.
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....

Transport jobs will be almost entirely replaced by self-driving vehicles over the coming decade. In 2014 the industry employed more than 4 million Americans including;

1.6 million truck drivers,
800,000 delivery truck drivers,
180.000 taxi drivers,
160,000 Uber drivers,
500,000 school bus drivers,
160,000 transit drivers

Sales and Services jobs will continue to be bit into by self-service checkouts and automated sales programs.

Support office staff can expect menial jobs such as data entry to dwindle as artificial intelligence becomes more sophisticated.

Rural jobs are at particular risk, with 60% of regional jobs at risk of automation in Australia for instance, as the efficiency and ability of machines and robots allows fewer workers to service a broader area.

[link to theglobalquorum.com (secure)]
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NOT going to happen. naughty
Why? 1dunno1

Because HUMANS will support and BUY from, and do business with, other humans.
...and NOT those to try to turn everything over to a machine.
Treat people as a commodity, as just a number, and you will lose them as customers.


I completely agree, not to mention the unique dexterity and intuition that is required on many important jobs which a robot cannot do.
The self-checkout machines are already proving to be a failure for that reason.
Humans want to deal with other humans....not some innocuous cold machine.

Observe......

A failed experiment: supermarket self-service checkouts
[link to theworldlink.com]

Yay! Human cashiers prevail over automation at some CVS stores
[link to fortune.com]

Costco Kills Self-Checkout In The Name Of Efficiency—But That's Not All

[link to www.fierceretail.com]

The problem with self-service checkouts
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

I Know Why Tesco’s Profits Are Down – It’s Those Ghastly Self Check Out Machines

[link to www.breitbart.com]


HUMANS WANT TO DEAL WITH OTHER HUMANS....NOT MACHINES.

Trying to automate everything and put humans out of work, as the result?...it will FAIL miserably.
People will do business with those who treat them as humans, not just another commodity.

:fact:
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater
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I'd love to see how that store works in the 'hood.

Self-driving cars won't be a common sight on the roads for a decade or more.

You gonna trust a robot bus to drive your kids to school?
 Quoting: Deplorable Factual Error


If Amazon AI becomes a reality... which is in development [link to www.fool.com]

it might even let not people who it predicts for crime to enter the store. A requirement might be a smartphone and an Amazon account tied to a credit card.

Probably not, but after 2-3 generations likely.

Robotics Expert Predicts Kids Born Today Will Never Drive A Car (probably more likely not drive a car than never)
[link to www.motortrend.com]

MIT Lincoln Laboratory: Enabling Autonomous Vehicles to Drive in the Snow with Localizing Ground Penetrating Radar
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Not all is good in automation...
California halts self-driving Uber cars amid scare


Uber says it was the driver's fault
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I'd love to see how that store works in the 'hood.

Self-driving cars won't be a common sight on the roads for a decade or more.

You gonna trust a robot bus to drive your kids to school?
 Quoting: Deplorable Factual Error


If Amazon AI becomes a reality... which is in development [link to www.fool.com]

it might even let not people who it predicts for crime to enter the store. A requirement might be a smartphone and an Amazon account tied to a credit card.

Probably not, but after 2-3 generations likely.

Robotics Expert Predicts Kids Born Today Will Never Drive A Car (probably more likely not drive a car than never)
[link to www.motortrend.com]

MIT Lincoln Laboratory: Enabling Autonomous Vehicles to Drive in the Snow with Localizing Ground Penetrating Radar

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72933520


Anytime I see the phrase "robotics expert predicts", I know that everything they say is BS. Robot cars will be a thing right after we invent a time machine powered by unicorn farts.

Where's my flying car? "Experts" predicted flying cars decades ago, and yet still no flying cars.
Not intended to be a factual statement.
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....

Transport jobs will be almost entirely replaced by self-driving vehicles over the coming decade. In 2014 the industry employed more than 4 million Americans including;

1.6 million truck drivers,
800,000 delivery truck drivers,
180.000 taxi drivers,
160,000 Uber drivers,
500,000 school bus drivers,
160,000 transit drivers

Sales and Services jobs will continue to be bit into by self-service checkouts and automated sales programs.

Support office staff can expect menial jobs such as data entry to dwindle as artificial intelligence becomes more sophisticated.

Rural jobs are at particular risk, with 60% of regional jobs at risk of automation in Australia for instance, as the efficiency and ability of machines and robots allows fewer workers to service a broader area.

[link to theglobalquorum.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72933520


NOT going to happen. naughty
Why? 1dunno1

Because HUMANS will support and BUY from, and do business with, other humans.
...and NOT those to try to turn everything over to a machine.
Treat people as a commodity, as just a number, and you will lose them as customers.


The self-checkout machines are already proving to be a failure for that reason.
Humans want to deal with other humans....not some innocuous cold machine.

Observe......

A failed experiment: supermarket self-service checkouts
[link to theworldlink.com]

Yay! Human cashiers prevail over automation at some CVS stores
[link to fortune.com]

Costco Kills Self-Checkout In The Name Of Efficiency—But That's Not All

[link to www.fierceretail.com]

The problem with self-service checkouts
[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

I Know Why Tesco’s Profits Are Down – It’s Those Ghastly Self Check Out Machines

[link to www.breitbart.com]


HUMANS WANT TO DEAL WITH OTHER HUMANS....NOT MACHINES.

Trying to automate everything and put humans out of work, as the result?...it will FAIL miserably.
People will do business with those who treat them as humans, not just another commodity.

:fact:
 Quoting: Useless Cookie Eater


LOL, sure buddy. You are like a dinosaur who refuses to believe you are extinct. Once the older generations who bitch about automated systems designed for retards die, there will be nothing stopping these low IQ positions going to automation.
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Re: Automation: Almost 50% of American jobs to dissappear
I'd love to see how that store works in the 'hood.

Self-driving cars won't be a common sight on the roads for a decade or more.

You gonna trust a robot bus to drive your kids to school?
 Quoting: Deplorable Factual Error


If Amazon AI becomes a reality... which is in development [link to www.fool.com]

it might even let not people who it predicts for crime to enter the store. A requirement might be a smartphone and an Amazon account tied to a credit card.

Probably not, but after 2-3 generations likely.

Robotics Expert Predicts Kids Born Today Will Never Drive A Car (probably more likely not drive a car than never)
[link to www.motortrend.com]

MIT Lincoln Laboratory: Enabling Autonomous Vehicles to Drive in the Snow with Localizing Ground Penetrating Radar

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72933520


Anytime I see the phrase "robotics expert predicts", I know that everything they say is BS. Robot cars will be a thing right after we invent a time machine powered by unicorn farts.

Where's my flying car? "Experts" predicted flying cars decades ago, and yet still no flying cars.
 Quoting: Deplorable Factual Error

FUTURISTS predicted flying cars. ROBOTIC EXPERTS working in the field and understand current technology can reasonably expound where the tech will go in the very near future.

You are comparing apples and oranges.
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Re: Automation: Almost 50% of American jobs to dissappear
Anytime I see the phrase "robotics expert predicts", I know that everything they say is BS. Robot cars will be a thing right after we invent a time machine powered by unicorn farts.

Where's my flying car? "Experts" predicted flying cars decades ago, and yet still no flying cars.
 Quoting: Deplorable Factual Error


Here's the 'expert' who said that: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

More like 100 years from now.
A Brief History of the Flying Car
[link to www.popularmechanics.com]

[link to techcrunch.com (secure)]
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yup

bring it on!!!
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Bullshit wishful thinking on their part. Fuck it, become a robotic maintenance person then.
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They're called Engineers and not everybody can be said Engineer.
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I remember a USC professor saying that robots will take over jobs but there was problem they cant fix themselves.Human hand will need to come out a repair the defective machinery
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Anytime I see the phrase "robotics expert predicts", I know that everything they say is BS. Robot cars will be a thing right after we invent a time machine powered by unicorn farts.

Where's my flying car? "Experts" predicted flying cars decades ago, and yet still no flying cars.
 Quoting: Deplorable Factual Error


Here's the 'expert' who said that: [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

More like 100 years from now.
A Brief History of the Flying Car
[link to www.popularmechanics.com]

[link to techcrunch.com (secure)]
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I'm siren Henrick is a very smart guy, but his optimism is misplaced.

Zerohedge had an interesting article about the hype vs reality regarding AI.
Not intended to be a factual statement.





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