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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73085799 United States 02/02/2017 08:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73889649 [link to www.bing.com] Landing right on their PLSS. What a joke? Only a fucking imbecile kid who thinks rabbits come out of hats believes this is men on 1/6 gravity. HS kids are producing better videos that are getting failing grades these days. Hence, why there are hardly any more Apollo videos being played. The hoax has run its course and people are no longer fooled by the rudimentary act. Apparently you missed the part about HIGHER jumps making them tend to tip over. Nothing in that video shows higher jumps. Nothing in that video shows it can't be in 1/6 gravity. Hey, GLP, want to see a liar in action?? Click this link I posted. Astronauts are jumping and falling directly on their backs. They are jumping higher than normal videos but the rover is blocking their feet and the ground. It's hilarious. Watch this idiot fuck defend it The video you linked to is 50 seconds of bunny hopping with no falls. Looks like you SHOULD have linked to this one. [link to www.bing.com] here's a youtube so it can be embedded. There is ONE fall and he falls over backward just like I said. The voiceover also said he was worried about damage to the PLSS again just like I said. Thanks for backing me up. Just get the link right next time. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70716888 Sweden 02/02/2017 08:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70716888 You don't know what you are talking about. There is no time delay in ANY direction in the moon conversations. And the Fuglesang conversation was also recorded here on earth. And the time delay is quite remarkable, even with todays computer technology, even though the distance to the moon is almost exactly 1000 times the distance to ISS. Yes, there is a delay in the moon conversations. Maybe don't rely on edited youtube videos. And the delay is only partly on the distance. The delay for the Moon is less than 3 seconds. AGAIN most of your delay today comes from analog-digital conversions and back. Again, you don't know what you are talking about... I am talking about anyone of the videos from the NASA archives. Not edited youtube clips. You can see any "unedited" original moon video, and Houston usually starts talking exactly right after the astronauts, and the astronauts usually answers exactly right after Houston. You can twist it to maybe 0.5 seconds at most. If the ISS conversations are real (with 6-7 seconds time delay), the delay to the moon should be several thousand seconds? Or several minutes, if you do the math. And yet you've posted none of these supposed clips. And you're still ignoring the analog-digital conversion. [link to www.apolloarchive.com] Here you have as many as you want. I think I have been through almost every single clip you can find here. It took quite a few years of studying footage, but very interesting. How about you post 1 that proves me wrong? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73889649 United States 02/02/2017 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Already deleting posts? Standard protocol. Yet this shit hole allows shilling. I don't care. Just bored. Ban me and carry on with the dumbing down of the masses. I can't believe there are people in this day and age that look at Apollo footage and believe it. But oh well |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73085799 United States 02/02/2017 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73085799 Yes, there is a delay in the moon conversations. Maybe don't rely on edited youtube videos. And the delay is only partly on the distance. The delay for the Moon is less than 3 seconds. AGAIN most of your delay today comes from analog-digital conversions and back. Again, you don't know what you are talking about... I am talking about anyone of the videos from the NASA archives. Not edited youtube clips. You can see any "unedited" original moon video, and Houston usually starts talking exactly right after the astronauts, and the astronauts usually answers exactly right after Houston. You can twist it to maybe 0.5 seconds at most. If the ISS conversations are real (with 6-7 seconds time delay), the delay to the moon should be several thousand seconds? Or several minutes, if you do the math. And yet you've posted none of these supposed clips. And you're still ignoring the analog-digital conversion. [link to www.apolloarchive.com] Here you have as many as you want. I think I have been through almost every single clip you can find here. It took quite a few years of studying footage, but very interesting. How about you post 1 that proves me wrong? Prove yourself right first. YOUR burden of proof. And no, the delay to the Moon should NOT be several minutes. It is less than 3 seconds due to the speed of light. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 59686777 United States 02/02/2017 08:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Already deleting posts? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73889649 Standard protocol. Yet this shit hole allows shilling. I don't care. Just bored. Ban me and carry on with the dumbing down of the masses. I can't believe there are people in this day and age that look at Apollo footage and believe it. But oh well Sad but true. So sorry for those dumb assess. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73507061 United States 02/02/2017 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is no reasonable explanation why the lunar landings would be hoaxed. None. Quoting: MarPep If they were hoaxed, then we would have engineers and astronomers and scientists telling us so. There are none. The landings were real. Your proof of a hoax is lacking. your common sense is lacking or non existing |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70716888 Sweden 02/02/2017 08:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70716888 Again, you don't know what you are talking about... I am talking about anyone of the videos from the NASA archives. Not edited youtube clips. You can see any "unedited" original moon video, and Houston usually starts talking exactly right after the astronauts, and the astronauts usually answers exactly right after Houston. You can twist it to maybe 0.5 seconds at most. If the ISS conversations are real (with 6-7 seconds time delay), the delay to the moon should be several thousand seconds? Or several minutes, if you do the math. And yet you've posted none of these supposed clips. And you're still ignoring the analog-digital conversion. [link to www.apolloarchive.com] Here you have as many as you want. I think I have been through almost every single clip you can find here. It took quite a few years of studying footage, but very interesting. How about you post 1 that proves me wrong? Prove yourself right first. YOUR burden of proof. And no, the delay to the Moon should NOT be several minutes. It is less than 3 seconds due to the speed of light. Then I guess ISS must be further away than the moon, right? About twice the distance, if we haven't gained better technology in 40-50 years time? It is almost morning here, but if you really want, i could post something next time i am around. But somehow i dont think you really want that? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73507061 United States 02/02/2017 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Already deleting posts? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73889649 Standard protocol. Yet this shit hole allows shilling. I don't care. Just bored. Ban me and carry on with the dumbing down of the masses. I can't believe there are people in this day and age that look at Apollo footage and believe it. But oh well Sad but true. So sorry for those dumb assess. yo have to be a realist. most people are unable to think . |
The Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 02/02/2017 08:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | in the video at about 3:49. The image of the half lit earth, relative to the astronaut (over the shoulder view) is tiny. it is smaller than the moon would be if I took the same shot from earth. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 69341707 You know this how exactly? You have a GCTA camera to compare what the moon looks like from earth at the same focal length? You're assuming that it is, you don't have any proof that it's any smaller than it should be. People usually over-estimate how large the moon will appear in photos they take of it. Same applies here. You think the earth should be bigger, but you haven't proven it should be. Why don't you do this; measure the size of the high gain antenna and its distance from the camera. Find out the angular size of that object in the video and THEN compare to the size of the earth in the image to see if it's as large as it should be. Let's assume this schematic is accurate: [link to civilianmilitaryintelligencegroup.com (secure)] The size of the outer edge of each high gain antenna petal is 30 pixels in that image, which according to the 225 pixel long 72" scale at the bottom means that they're 9.6 inches long. The lower right side petal seen in the video at 3:50 is therefore about 46.3" from the GCTA camera lens, though obviously this distance can vary a bit as the camera and antennas are pointed. At that distance though we get an angular size of 11.838 degrees for the edge of that petal. Using that angular size to roughly calibrate the view with earth at 3:50 I find that in a full-screen screenshot the petal is about 567 pixels long (from bar to bar between the petals), so the image scale is about 47.9 pixels per degree. Given an earth size in the image of 67 pixels, that means the earth is somewhere in the ballpark of 1.4 degrees diameter in the sky. That's within about half a degree of the expected value, and much larger than the moon is from the earth. The major limitation of these approximations is that they assume the camera and antenna are both pointed straight ahead on the rover, which they clearly are not. For greater accuracy we need to model the actual orientation of the antenna and camera (which were fortunately both pointed in a known direction, earth). Basically, the GCTA camera on the starboard side of the rover is pointed at the back of the antenna on the port side. The antenna is pointed to the port and aft a bit on the rover in order to achieve the geometry seen, and this can be glimpsed in the shadow of the antenna when the camera pans down. I drew a rough diagram of the true geometry of the camera to antenna in the lower left diagram of this picture: The antenna is the red line, the antenna to mast of the GCTA is the blue line: [link to h.dropcanvas.com] The blue line is 95 pixels long, and at a scale of 3.167 pixels per inch, that works out to a distance to the antenna of about 30". That would imply the petal size should be closer to about 18 degrees. That would mean earth is about 2.1 degrees wide in the image. That's actually a little larger than the expected value, but again these are approximate figures and for greater accuracy it would be necessary to model the entire scene in 3d to find the exact pointing direction of the antenna and camera. Nevertheless it's even closer to the expected value of about 1.9 degrees and pretty damn good considering the approximations made. Earth is definitely not too small in the video. As you can see, you can't just "assume" that your personal expectations for what the images should look like are correct. You have to actually investigate these things in an unbiased and much more in-depth manner before jumping to conclusions like that, let alone stating them as if they were facts. Thanks. I'll check out all these calcs. Might restore the doubt and depression that I am getting lately with some of this stuff. But I do hope donald trump authorizes a trip back. 1. get the economy going good again. 2. cut out lots of wasteful stuff. 3. The money would be there for another moonshot. 4. it will let the russians know we are still #1. 5. it will be a great morale boost for america and the world. we need it now more than ever! Thank you thank you thank you. I'm glad that for once my efforts were not wasted. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73085799 United States 02/02/2017 08:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73085799 And yet you've posted none of these supposed clips. And you're still ignoring the analog-digital conversion. [link to www.apolloarchive.com] Here you have as many as you want. I think I have been through almost every single clip you can find here. It took quite a few years of studying footage, but very interesting. How about you post 1 that proves me wrong? Prove yourself right first. YOUR burden of proof. And no, the delay to the Moon should NOT be several minutes. It is less than 3 seconds due to the speed of light. Then I guess ISS must be further away than the moon, right? About twice the distance, if we haven't gained better technology in 40-50 years time? It is almost morning here, but if you really want, i could post something next time i am around. But somehow i dont think you really want that? What part of the delay you're seeing from the ISS is from analog-digital conversion and back do you not understand? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 70716888 Sweden 02/02/2017 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70716888 [link to www.apolloarchive.com] Here you have as many as you want. I think I have been through almost every single clip you can find here. It took quite a few years of studying footage, but very interesting. How about you post 1 that proves me wrong? Prove yourself right first. YOUR burden of proof. And no, the delay to the Moon should NOT be several minutes. It is less than 3 seconds due to the speed of light. Then I guess ISS must be further away than the moon, right? About twice the distance, if we haven't gained better technology in 40-50 years time? It is almost morning here, but if you really want, i could post something next time i am around. But somehow i dont think you really want that? What part of the delay you're seeing from the ISS is from analog-digital conversion and back do you not understand? Here is part of the ISS interview I just watched: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Unfortunately mostly in swedish. Do you find something strange about the time delay? It is twice the time of delay compared to your statement about the moon, which is 1000 times further away. Either the ISS is fake or the moon landing. Which do you think? Or do you mean that our new technology is 1000 times worse than the old NASA equipment? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47396524 United States 02/02/2017 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I DO believe that they landed a box made of cardboard and tin foil and the moon and flew it back to earth. The TV told me so. I would get into this and trust it to take me to the moon: [link to history.nasa.gov (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73085799 United States 02/02/2017 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73085799 Prove yourself right first. YOUR burden of proof. And no, the delay to the Moon should NOT be several minutes. It is less than 3 seconds due to the speed of light. Then I guess ISS must be further away than the moon, right? About twice the distance, if we haven't gained better technology in 40-50 years time? It is almost morning here, but if you really want, i could post something next time i am around. But somehow i dont think you really want that? What part of the delay you're seeing from the ISS is from analog-digital conversion and back do you not understand? Here is part of the ISS interview I just watched: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Unfortunately mostly in swedish. Do you find something strange about the time delay? It is twice the time of delay compared to your statement about the moon, which is 1000 times further away. Either the ISS is fake or the moon landing. Which do you think? Or do you mean that our new technology is 1000 times worse than the old NASA equipment? Are you really this dense or just deliberately obtuse? The delay is not from the distance for your clip. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69341707 United States 02/02/2017 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you thank you thank you. I'm glad that for once my efforts were not wasted. Quoting: The Deplorable Astromut Your welcome. I love science and math. But I also know that even good things (and people) are used nefariously at times. I respect the opinions of others on all sides of an argument if they are truthfully telling "their truth" which it seems like you are. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73085799 United States 02/02/2017 08:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I DO believe that they landed a box made of cardboard and tin foil and the moon and flew it back to earth. The TV told me so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47396524 I would get into this and trust it to take me to the moon: [link to history.nasa.gov (secure)] I see an insulative covering. Looks pretty sturdy in these. [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.nordenretireesclub.org] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] And the LM didn't fly back to Earth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70716888 Sweden 02/02/2017 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70716888 Then I guess ISS must be further away than the moon, right? About twice the distance, if we haven't gained better technology in 40-50 years time? It is almost morning here, but if you really want, i could post something next time i am around. But somehow i dont think you really want that? What part of the delay you're seeing from the ISS is from analog-digital conversion and back do you not understand? Here is part of the ISS interview I just watched: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Unfortunately mostly in swedish. Do you find something strange about the time delay? It is twice the time of delay compared to your statement about the moon, which is 1000 times further away. Either the ISS is fake or the moon landing. Which do you think? Or do you mean that our new technology is 1000 times worse than the old NASA equipment? Are you really this dense or just deliberately obtuse? The delay is not from the distance for your clip. What exactly do you mean? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73085799 United States 02/02/2017 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73085799 What part of the delay you're seeing from the ISS is from analog-digital conversion and back do you not understand? Here is part of the ISS interview I just watched: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Unfortunately mostly in swedish. Do you find something strange about the time delay? It is twice the time of delay compared to your statement about the moon, which is 1000 times further away. Either the ISS is fake or the moon landing. Which do you think? Or do you mean that our new technology is 1000 times worse than the old NASA equipment? Are you really this dense or just deliberately obtuse? The delay is not from the distance for your clip. What exactly do you mean? Read my previous responses that you apparently ignored. Distance delay would be calculated with the speed of light. Less than 3 seconds to the Moon and back. Far less than a second to orbit. Analog-digital conversion also causes delay and is used often today but wouldn't be for Apollo as everything was analog. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47396524 United States 02/02/2017 09:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I DO believe that they landed a box made of cardboard and tin foil and the moon and flew it back to earth. The TV told me so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47396524 I would get into this and trust it to take me to the moon: [link to history.nasa.gov (secure)] I see an insulative covering. Looks pretty sturdy in these. [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.nordenretireesclub.org] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] And the LM didn't fly back to Earth. I would rather take the one that had the Dune Buggy attached to it to the moon, wouldn't you? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73085799 United States 02/02/2017 09:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I DO believe that they landed a box made of cardboard and tin foil and the moon and flew it back to earth. The TV told me so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47396524 I would get into this and trust it to take me to the moon: [link to history.nasa.gov (secure)] I see an insulative covering. Looks pretty sturdy in these. [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.nordenretireesclub.org] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] And the LM didn't fly back to Earth. I would rather take the one that had the Dune Buggy attached to it to the moon, wouldn't you? One? there were three. Apollo 15, 16, and 17 all carried rovers. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23557933 United States 02/02/2017 09:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | To this day there is an experiment that was set up on the moon by Apollo 11, a mirror array aimed at Earth: the lunar laser ranging experiment. For the last 30+ years and even today, astronomers are able to reflect a laser off this mirror and back to Earth to measure variations in the distance. That mirror had to be set up by human hands; it did not fly there on its own. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70095735 Does that mean there's a man on mars with a remote control car? that's filmed in Canada, eh |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70716888 Sweden 02/02/2017 09:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 70716888 Here is part of the ISS interview I just watched: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] Unfortunately mostly in swedish. Do you find something strange about the time delay? It is twice the time of delay compared to your statement about the moon, which is 1000 times further away. Either the ISS is fake or the moon landing. Which do you think? Or do you mean that our new technology is 1000 times worse than the old NASA equipment? Are you really this dense or just deliberately obtuse? The delay is not from the distance for your clip. What exactly do you mean? Read my previous responses that you apparently ignored. Distance delay would be calculated with the speed of light. Less than 3 seconds to the Moon and back. Far less than a second to orbit. Analog-digital conversion also causes delay and is used often today but wouldn't be for Apollo as everything was analog. Do you mean that analog sound travels at the speed of light? And digital sound travels at the speed of sound? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23557933 United States 02/02/2017 09:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I DO believe that they landed a box made of cardboard and tin foil and the moon and flew it back to earth. The TV told me so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47396524 I would get into this and trust it to take me to the moon: [link to history.nasa.gov (secure)] I see an insulative covering. Looks pretty sturdy in these. [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.nordenretireesclub.org] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] And the LM didn't fly back to Earth. van allen radiation belts--how did they do it? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 73085799 United States 02/02/2017 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73085799 Are you really this dense or just deliberately obtuse? The delay is not from the distance for your clip. What exactly do you mean? Read my previous responses that you apparently ignored. Distance delay would be calculated with the speed of light. Less than 3 seconds to the Moon and back. Far less than a second to orbit. Analog-digital conversion also causes delay and is used often today but wouldn't be for Apollo as everything was analog. Do you mean that analog sound travels at the speed of light? And digital sound travels at the speed of sound? No. the conversion process takes time and induces delay. ALL sound travels at the speed of sound. But that does not apply here. The transmissions are being transmitted via radio waves and are traveling at the speed of light. The conversion process takes time and induces delay. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73085799 United States 02/02/2017 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I DO believe that they landed a box made of cardboard and tin foil and the moon and flew it back to earth. The TV told me so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47396524 I would get into this and trust it to take me to the moon: [link to history.nasa.gov (secure)] I see an insulative covering. Looks pretty sturdy in these. [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.nordenretireesclub.org] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] And the LM didn't fly back to Earth. van allen radiation belts--how did they do it? went around |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 47396524 United States 02/02/2017 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I DO believe that they landed a box made of cardboard and tin foil and the moon and flew it back to earth. The TV told me so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47396524 I would get into this and trust it to take me to the moon: [link to history.nasa.gov (secure)] I see an insulative covering. Looks pretty sturdy in these. [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.nordenretireesclub.org] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] And the LM didn't fly back to Earth. van allen radiation belts--how did they do it? And transmit video and sound without delay from moon to earth in late 60's. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73085799 United States 02/02/2017 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I DO believe that they landed a box made of cardboard and tin foil and the moon and flew it back to earth. The TV told me so. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 47396524 I would get into this and trust it to take me to the moon: [link to history.nasa.gov (secure)] I see an insulative covering. Looks pretty sturdy in these. [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.nordenretireesclub.org] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] [link to www.hq.nasa.gov] And the LM didn't fly back to Earth. van allen radiation belts--how did they do it? And transmit video and sound without delay from moon to earth in late 60's. There is a delay. However, everything was recorded at Houston so there is no delay between the astronauts and Mission control but there is a delay on the other side. That delay is less than 3 seconds. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 70716888 Sweden 02/02/2017 09:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read my previous responses that you apparently ignored. Distance delay would be calculated with the speed of light. Less than 3 seconds to the Moon and back. Far less than a second to orbit. Analog-digital conversion also causes delay and is used often today but wouldn't be for Apollo as everything was analog. Do you mean that analog sound travels at the speed of light? And digital sound travels at the speed of sound? No. the conversion process takes time and induces delay. ALL sound travels at the speed of sound. But that does not apply here. The transmissions are being transmitted via radio waves and are traveling at the speed of light. The conversion process takes time and induces delay. How much of delay? As far as I know, the conversion process you are talking about induces the delay by milli-seconds. Hardly recognizable without measure equipment. Is it this delay you are speaking of? |