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Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?

 
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
1. they chose a very weak candidate because... politics. too many people owed too much to the current administration not to back the current (weak) "inheritor"

2. perhaps the powers that be want us to flip flop every so often so that nothing ever really gets done

3. justified righteous indignation of a populace that has been ignored
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
1. they chose a very weak candidate because... politics. too many people owed too much to the current administration not to back the current (weak) "inheritor"

2. perhaps the powers that be want us to flip flop every so often so that nothing ever really gets done

3. justified righteous indignation of a populace that has been ignored
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Good thoughts.
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
From Michael Sandel; Harvard Professor; Public Philosopher;
"Elites continue to miss sources of anger leading to populist upheavals" loss of community, disempowerment & social esteem.

"Skyboxification of American society", "exhaustion of political ideas"

"Success of right wing popularism usually reflects the failures of liberal or progressive politics" "created a moral vacuum or void".

His book, "What Money Can't Buy" & Davos interview (quoted here) "Why the Democrats are so out of touch with the people".


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From Michael Sandel; Harvard Professor; Public Philosopher;
"Elites continue to miss sources of anger leading to populist upheavals" loss of community, disempowerment & social esteem.

"Skyboxification of American society", "exhaustion of political ideas"

"Success of right wing popularism usually reflects the failures of liberal or progressive politics" "created a moral vacuum or void".

His book, "What Money Can't Buy" & Davos interview (quoted here) "Why the Democrats are so out of touch with the people".

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Yes, he has some good points!
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election? Choose the best single response.

1. they were so arrogant they refused to listen to anyone except themselves.
2. They were so aggressive, people stopped trying to debate them rationally.
3. People told them only what they wanted to hear and kept the truth to themselves.
4. They thought it fair to protect favored minorities and ignore other minorities.
5. They protected the rights of the forces that wish to destroy civilized society.
6. They freely demonize, criticize, and demean unprotected people groups: JohnnyLunchbox, trailer-trash.
7. They owned education, media, business, banks, entertainment but not the hearts of the people.
8. Opposing opinions were silenced through intimidation, ridicule, violence, lack of fair play.
9. Used the legal and political system to attack beliefs they could not silence.
10. The internet.
11. God.
12. Their stupidity.
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Why would you go to all the trouble of typing that all out and not include "13. All of the above"?!? WTF is the matter with you???

wtf
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
All of the Above?

Seriously though... Liberalism is a Suicide Cult in it's death throws. Now they're getting more desperate than ever as the veil lifts and their true ugliness and nihilistic vision is revealed.

This is why they are natural allies with Islamists in the West, it fulfills their death wish.

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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election? Choose the best single response.

1. they were so arrogant they refused to listen to anyone except themselves.
2. They were so aggressive, people stopped trying to debate them rationally.
3. People told them only what they wanted to hear and kept the truth to themselves.
4. They thought it fair to protect favored minorities and ignore other minorities.
5. They protected the rights of the forces that wish to destroy civilized society.
6. They freely demonize, criticize, and demean unprotected people groups: JohnnyLunchbox, trailer-trash.
7. They owned education, media, business, banks, entertainment but not the hearts of the people.
8. Opposing opinions were silenced through intimidation, ridicule, violence, lack of fair play.
9. Used the legal and political system to attack beliefs they could not silence.
10. The internet.
11. God.
12. Their stupidity.
 Quoting: George B


Why would you go to all the trouble of typing that all out and not include "13. All of the above"?!? WTF is the matter with you???

wtf
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All of the above would get all the votes . . . I wanted to see if one choice was more certain than the others and stimulate discussion.
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
There were groups within the US government that worked against Hillary.

It was (I think) the FBI, parts of the NSA against the CIA and Ruling class.

I think we got lucky, if Hillary had won, the US would be a lost cause for a generation or two.
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
There were groups within the US government that worked against Hillary.

It was (I think) the FBI, parts of the NSA against the CIA and Ruling class.

I think we got lucky, if Hillary had won, the US would be a lost cause for a generation or two.
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Possibly true. The White Hats won one! With God's help!
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
because they are the minority

polls and votes are rigged to hide that fact

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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
because they are the minority

polls and votes are rigged to hide that fact

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Plausible, but because of its nature difficult or impossible to prove!
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
Take your pick: Putin, Comey, Hillary. If any one of those would not have been involved, the Democrats would have won.
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Take your pick: Putin, Comey, Hillary. If any one of those would not have been involved, the Democrats would have won.
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Bullshit
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
Don't forget about PIZZA GATE.

This coming out had an effect.
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Do you believe pizza gate influenced voters already committed to HRC or a significant number of undecided?
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No, they didn't believe it and still don't.
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I believe it did influence undecided. A lot of people had a distrust of Trump, but I think Pizzagate showed just how twisted some of the DNC leadership is. Like those paintings PEDOsta had in his house. This disturbed many people and I think many were like 'wtf!?!'
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Don't forget about PIZZA GATE.

This coming out had an effect.
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Do you believe pizza gate influenced voters already committed to HRC or a significant number of undecided?
 Quoting: ThereRMeds4That


No, they didn't believe it and still don't.
 Quoting: George B


I believe it did influence undecided. A lot of people had a distrust of Trump, but I think Pizzagate showed just how twisted some of the DNC leadership is. Like those paintings PEDOsta had in his house. This disturbed many people and I think many were like 'wtf!?!'
 Quoting: brokenhalo


Hope you are correct, but I am more cynical about around 38% of the voters!

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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
Same reason GHWB lost to Clinton.

"It's the economy, stupid."
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
Same reason GHWB lost to Clinton.

"It's the economy, stupid."
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Yes, obviously a big factor.
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
Its because the dems think who is pissing in what bathroom is more important than the economy and our safety.....

You would think with the amount of transgender publicity, every other American is transgendered....

The mainstream democrats realized their party been hijacked by leftist/progressive loonies and jumped ship to vote for Trump....the recent post election protests just confirmed it....
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ALL of the above. So I picked God.

hf
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election? Choose the best single response.

1. they were so arrogant they refused to listen to anyone except themselves.
2. They were so aggressive, people stopped trying to debate them rationally.
3. People told them only what they wanted to hear and kept the truth to themselves.
4. They thought it fair to protect favored minorities and ignore other minorities.
5. They protected the rights of the forces that wish to destroy civilized society.
6. They freely demonize, criticize, and demean unprotected people groups: JohnnyLunchbox, trailer-trash.
7. They owned education, media, business, banks, entertainment but not the hearts of the people.
8. Opposing opinions were silenced through intimidation, ridicule, violence, lack of fair play.
9. Used the legal and political system to attack beliefs they could not silence.
10. The internet.
11. God.
12. Their stupidity.
 Quoting: George B


Tough poll. I damn near went with 5, but realized 12 sums it all up.

cheers
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ALL of the above. So I picked God.

hf
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election? Choose the best single response.

1. they were so arrogant they refused to listen to anyone except themselves.
2. They were so aggressive, people stopped trying to debate them rationally.
3. People told them only what they wanted to hear and kept the truth to themselves.
4. They thought it fair to protect favored minorities and ignore other minorities.
5. They protected the rights of the forces that wish to destroy civilized society.
6. They freely demonize, criticize, and demean unprotected people groups: JohnnyLunchbox, trailer-trash.
7. They owned education, media, business, banks, entertainment but not the hearts of the people.
8. Opposing opinions were silenced through intimidation, ridicule, violence, lack of fair play.
9. Used the legal and political system to attack beliefs they could not silence.
10. The internet.
11. God.
12. Their stupidity.
 Quoting: George B


Tough poll. I damn near went with 5, but realized 12 sums it all up.

cheers
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thanks1

Good poll choices, well done

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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
All the above
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thanks1

Good poll choices, well done

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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
no answer from me, as I do not want them to know the mistakes they made and do better the next time deceiving us!

don't fall for polls as this one!
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
i wonder whether there was less election rigging because of almost like a GLP effect. people talked about election rigging. it was in our minds. people were aware and looking around. maybe less of it was accomplished.
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
no answer from me, as I do not want them to know the mistakes they made and do better the next time deceiving us!

don't fall for polls as this one!
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So you think I am a shill or troll? Wow! That is very interesting.
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
No option that Hillary sucked? If the Dems ran a lizard instead of Hillary they would have won.
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lol3
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But, but isn't Hildabeast a lizard?
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
Excessive political correctness/white guilting/cultural appropriation

Forced socialism/Obamacare/taxed to death to fund Free Shit Army

Desire to restore true American pride/patriotism/sick of being a world laughingstock
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I'm not the Lioness that has been vilified on some other threads. I'm a newbie :)
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Re: Why the progressives (liberals) lost the election?
i wonder whether there was less election rigging because of almost like a GLP effect. people talked about election rigging. it was in our minds. people were aware and looking around. maybe less of it was accomplished.
 Quoting: queenbee 72138947


I think they thought they didn't have to worry about it because they were so far ahead. Also, Trump had called them out on the issue making it too hard to be doing it in front of everyone as easily as before.
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