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Biblical Help Needed! Will there be a Rapture?

 
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So who, how and when does Jesus take away some to Himself?
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No, they are not Raptured.

When the Believers are removed, the Jewish witnesses begin their preaching.
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Sorry was thinking of the valley of Jezreel
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Rapture or not; tribulation or not; everyone must pass through the fire of YHWH. Those who fill themselves with righteousness will only shine more brightly, but those who fill themselves with worldly and selfish desires will burn up to nothingness. I say this only because many people who believe in the rapture think of it as a loophole or way out of judgment, most also assume they would be raptured without considering the alternative. The best answer is to prepare for judgment and assume you would not be raptured, then you will be prepared if/when a time comes.

I personally do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, because nothing in scripture leads me to believe that is how God operates. I think of it more like the exodus. The Israelites were present during the plagues, but the obedient were not affected. It wasn't until all plagues (tribulations) had passed and all the forces of Egypt were upon them did YHWH reach out his hand to save them and crush the Egyptian forces at the same moment. I view any future event to be like this but on a global scale. Except this time the Israelites will not pass through the ocean, they will walk over it.

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The rapture as you know it was a money making scheme. The rich romans would confess their sins to a man in a private booth, and then "tithe" to avoid punishments

what a joke the catholic church is.
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I am not Catholic, I have never ever study that religion. I don't understand why they ask forgiveness from a priest vs Jesus himself.
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Rapture or not; tribulation or not; everyone must pass through the fire of YHWH. Those who fill themselves with righteousness will only shine more brightly, but those who fill themselves with worldly and selfish desires will burn up to nothingness. I say this only because many people who believe in the rapture think of it as a loophole or way out of judgment, most also assume they would be raptured without considering the alternative. The best answer is to prepare for judgment and assume you would not be raptured, then you will be prepared if/when a time comes.

I personally do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, because nothing in scripture leads me to believe that is how God operates. I think of it more like the exodus. The Israelites were present during the 12 plagues, but the obedient were not affected. It wasn't until all plagues (tribulations) had passed and all the forces of Egypt were upon them did YHWH reach out his hand to save them and crush the Egyptian forces at the same moment. I view any future event to be like this but on a global scale. Except this time the Israelites will not pass through the ocean, they will walk over it.
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Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little."

For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,

To whom He said, "This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,"
And, "This is the refreshing";
Yet they would not hear.

But the word of the LORD was to them,
"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,"
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.


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Rapture or not; tribulation or not; everyone must pass through the fire of YHWH. Those who fill themselves with righteousness will only shine more brightly, but those who fill themselves with worldly and selfish desires will burn up to nothingness. I say this only because many people who believe in the rapture think of it as a loophole or way out of judgment, most also assume they would be raptured without considering the alternative. The best answer is to prepare for judgment and assume you would not be raptured, then you will be prepared if/when a time comes.

I personally do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, because nothing in scripture leads me to believe that is how God operates. I think of it more like the exodus. The Israelites were present during the 12 plagues, but the obedient were not affected. It wasn't until all plagues (tribulations) had passed and all the forces of Egypt were upon them did YHWH reach out his hand to save them and crush the Egyptian forces at the same moment. I view any future event to be like this but on a global scale. Except this time the Israelites will not pass through the ocean, they will walk over it.
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clappa
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Shouldnt clap for bad doctrine. Egypt did not get 12 plagues
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Whom will he teach knowledge?
And whom will he make to understand the message?
Those just weaned from milk?
Those just drawn from the breasts?

For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little."

For with stammering lips and another tongue
He will speak to this people,

To whom He said, "This is the rest with which
You may cause the weary to rest,"
And, "This is the refreshing";
Yet they would not hear.

But the word of the LORD was to them,
"Precept upon precept, precept upon precept,
Line upon line, line upon line,
Here a little, there a little,"
That they might go and fall backward, and be broken
And snared and caught.


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Amen & Amen
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So who, how and when does Jesus take away some to Himself?
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^^^^This is very good topic, and to all that posted I am reading all of this and looking up bible vs, so if I don't respond right away it is not because I am not reading or reading the bible.
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Okay so you haven't read any of my posts have you? lol Seriously you aren't strong enough in your faith yet if you didn't know there was a rapture. Stay out of this thread and read your bible. Satan's minions can smell threads like these a mile away. This is what you need to know - there will be a rapture, it will be SOON, BEFORE THE TRIB, you will go if you repent and turn from your sins.
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^^^^I have read your post, and I understand exactly what you are saying. I am currently reading scripture, and will be devoting all week on this subject. I am aware that the devil works thru other people. I prolly should not have asked this here, but did, I will not listen to anything that is not in bible.
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So who, how and when does Jesus take away some to Himself?
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^^^^This is very good topic, and to all that posted I am reading all of this and looking up bible vs, so if I don't respond right away it is not because I am not reading or reading the bible.
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Okay so you haven't read any of my posts have you? lol Seriously you aren't strong enough in your faith yet if you didn't know there was a rapture. Stay out of this thread and read your bible. Satan's minions can smell threads like these a mile away. This is what you need to know - there will be a rapture, it will be SOON, BEFORE THE TRIB, you will go if you repent and turn from your sins.
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^^^^I have read your post, and I understand exactly what you are saying. I am currently reading scripture, and will be devoting all week on this subject. I am aware that the devil works thru other people. I prolly should not have asked this here, but did, I will not listen to anything that is not in bible.
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Rapture or not; tribulation or not; everyone must pass through the fire of YHWH. Those who fill themselves with righteousness will only shine more brightly, but those who fill themselves with worldly and selfish desires will burn up to nothingness. I say this only because many people who believe in the rapture think of it as a loophole or way out of judgment, most also assume they would be raptured without considering the alternative. The best answer is to prepare for judgment and assume you would not be raptured, then you will be prepared if/when a time comes.

I personally do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, because nothing in scripture leads me to believe that is how God operates. I think of it more like the exodus. The Israelites were present during the 12 plagues, but the obedient were not affected. It wasn't until all plagues (tribulations) had passed and all the forces of Egypt were upon them did YHWH reach out his hand to save them and crush the Egyptian forces at the same moment. I view any future event to be like this but on a global scale. Except this time the Israelites will not pass through the ocean, they will walk over it.
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clappa
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Shouldnt clap for bad doctrine. Egypt did not get 12 plagues
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If it makes you feel any better I also mix up the number of Supreme Court justices.
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Rapture or not; tribulation or not; everyone must pass through the fire of YHWH. Those who fill themselves with righteousness will only shine more brightly, but those who fill themselves with worldly and selfish desires will burn up to nothingness. I say this only because many people who believe in the rapture think of it as a loophole or way out of judgment, most also assume they would be raptured without considering the alternative. The best answer is to prepare for judgment and assume you would not be raptured, then you will be prepared if/when a time comes.

I personally do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, because nothing in scripture leads me to believe that is how God operates. I think of it more like the exodus. The Israelites were present during the 12 plagues, but the obedient were not affected. It wasn't until all plagues (tribulations) had passed and all the forces of Egypt were upon them did YHWH reach out his hand to save them and crush the Egyptian forces at the same moment. I view any future event to be like this but on a global scale. Except this time the Israelites will not pass through the ocean, they will walk over it.
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clappa
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Shouldnt clap for bad doctrine. Egypt did not get 12 plagues
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If it makes you feel any better I also mix up the number of Supreme Court justices.
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Nothing personal. Truth is truth.
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The rapture as you know it was a money making scheme. The rich romans would confess their sins to a man in a private booth, and then "tithe" to avoid punishments

what a joke the catholic church is.
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I am not Catholic, I have never ever study that religion. I don't understand why they ask forgiveness from a priest vs Jesus himself.
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Never said you were, but I love them, I just don't understand their devotion to that church.
Its odd.
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Why is Jesus' teaching in John 14:1-3 an analogy of a Jewish wedding which also infers a Pre-Tribulation rapture of the church?"




"Chuck Missler - The Jewish Wedding - Does It Prove The Rapture?"

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Why is Jesus' teaching in John 14:1-3 an analogy of a Jewish wedding which also infers a Pre-Tribulation rapture of the church?"
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He isnt. Jesuit nonsense.
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Look to the Spirit filled churches -- what do they believe?

The two major Spirit filled churches, though at opposite ends of the spectrum by some standards, are the Baptists and Pentecostals.

Both teach the rapture.

Also, know what Jesus was talking about identifying believers as His bride. Look at how the Jewish wedding works:

Thread: The Bible is a marriage contract

Know that the rapture is our blessed hope, and we are to comfort one another with this teaching. We are not appointed to wrath, we will be hidden in our rooms for a little while until the indignation has passed Isaiah 26:20
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Jesus will not come twice. He will only come once. We will meet him in the clouds as he descends to do battle with the Anti-Christ and his armies. Jesus has his armies too...

This means everyone will go through Tribulation. It is a form of tempering steel to make it stronger. The wheat will be separated from the Chaff....
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Thank You, I have been told this very thing today, although I had always thought there would be a rapture.
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When you examine the doctrine these types believe you will find, inevitably, red flags. Look at all their various beliefs. Also, look and see if they are hostile/angry in vehement denial of the rapture teaching and ask why. The enemy wants to kill our blessed hope. The full number of gentiles will come in, then God will deal with Israel for 7 years -- their final week as prophesied in Daniel 9.
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Look to the Spirit filled churches -- what do they believe?

The two major Spirit filled churches, though at opposite ends of the spectrum by some standards, are the Baptists and Pentecostals.

Both teach the rapture.
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I was brought up and raised on believe that we will have a rapture, God will come get his children to save them from the last days to protect us. It was brought to my attention today, that several people believe there will be a rapture, while others do not, SO WHICH IS IT?
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Name one instance when any Christian population was miraculously removed from death and horror at the hands of a demonic authority.

Go on.

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THERE AREN'T ANY.

Live here and die, probably horribly.
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No Transporter taking anyone to the Holy Enterprise.

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The closest analogy you'll find is Noah, and he was just a Divinely-inspired survivalist.

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Why is Jesus' teaching in John 14:1-3 an analogy of a Jewish wedding which also infers a Pre-Tribulation rapture of the church?"




"Chuck Missler - The Jewish Wedding - Does It Prove The Rapture?"


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Check these
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Why is Jesus' teaching in John 14:1-3 an analogy of a Jewish wedding which also infers a Pre-Tribulation rapture of the church?"




"Chuck Missler - The Jewish Wedding - Does It Prove The Rapture?"


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Check these
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The blessed hope is Christ in you.

Dead alive, O Death where is thy sting, O grave where is thy victory?

The deception is: many have stored their treasure here on earth and not in heaven as we are supposed. For where your treasure is there shall your heart be also. Where moth and rust do not corrupt.

So if you do not receive the mark of the beast you loose all your earthly possessions. How many kinfolk will be deceived by this, or those that think He delays His coming. It is a day of darkness and not light...

Multitudes multitudes in the valley of decesion. The harvest is truly ripe.
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This YouTube Channel has the best teaching I have found concerning the Rapture


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I was brought up and raised on believe that we will have a rapture, God will come get his children to save them from the last days to protect us. It was brought to my attention today, that several people believe there will be a rapture, while others do not, SO WHICH IS IT?
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Even tho they talk about it in the bible, it was for THOSE times way back then.
The second coming, was Jesus rising from the dead, PERIOD. There will be no rapture, for those days are passed.
Paul went quite insane living in a cave when he wrote revelations. That you can be sure of. He died a lonely old fart, and only wrote letters to churches, which is a myth because there weren't any Christian churches then. Those did come for YEARS later.

It's all made up, selected verses to control the masses, this is why it's "out of sync" which each book of the new testament. Each one tells a different story, about the same thing, because none of them are real.

Although you are a pretty lady, you are falling for a made up religion, put in place nearly 300 years AD. Do you understand that? It wasn't but around 90 years AD before the first Christian churches started making their way into the world. Yes it took that long. Then the catholics came onto the scene and started picking and choosing what would become the King James version. Left out some 18 other books, because it didn't fit the part they wanted the people to see.

It's all a lie.
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I see it like, say there's, a "Nuclear" Apocalypse. The people who get raptured are the oNes that die 1st iN the initial blast. Immediately b4 they kNow what fuckiN hit'em.
The less then steller greedy elites will think they're the lucky ones able to have survived in thier billion dollar bunkers. That is untill they Reemerge to life in a post apocalyptic world surrounded by only destrution and death.
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I see it like, say there's, a "Nuclear" Apocalypse. The people who get raptured are the oNes that die 1st iN the initial blast. Immediately b4 they kNow what fuckiN hit'em.
The less then steller greedy elites will think they're the lucky ones able to have survived in thier billion dollar bunkers. That is untill they Reemerge to life in a post apocalyptic world surrounded by only destrution and death.
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I happen to think it likely that the Rapture occurs just before the confusion that arises out of a limited nuclear war, out of which arises the Man of Peace - the Antichrist.
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I was brought up and raised on believe that we will have a rapture, God will come get his children to save them from the last days to protect us. It was brought to my attention today, that several people believe there will be a rapture, while others do not, SO WHICH IS IT?
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Even tho they talk about it in the bible, it was for THOSE times way back then.
The second coming, was Jesus rising from the dead, PERIOD. There will be no rapture, for those days are passed.
Paul went quite insane living in a cave when he wrote revelations. That you can be sure of. He died a lonely old fart, and only wrote letters to churches, which is a myth because there weren't any Christian churches then. Those did come for YEARS later.

It's all made up, selected verses to control the masses, this is why it's "out of sync" which each book of the new testament. Each one tells a different story, about the same thing, because none of them are real.

Although you are a pretty lady, you are falling for a made up religion, put in place nearly 300 years AD. Do you understand that? It wasn't but around 90 years AD before the first Christian churches started making their way into the world. Yes it took that long. Then the catholics came onto the scene and started picking and choosing what would become the King James version. Left out some 18 other books, because it didn't fit the part they wanted the people to see.

It's all a lie.
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John wrote Revelation on the Isle of Patimos.
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Look to the Spirit filled churches -- what do they believe?

The two major Spirit filled churches, though at opposite ends of the spectrum by some standards, are the Baptists and Pentecostals.

Both teach the rapture.
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Spirit of the enemy. Not Christ
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The Spirit of the enemy is to look for Christ at any and every moment?!
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Second Thessalonians 2:7 says,

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work. Only he who now hinders will hinder until he is taken out of the way, and then shall that wicked one be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

The Holy Spirit is hindering, standing in the way, restraining these powers of evil. Until He is taken out of the way, and immediately the wicked one then shall be revealed. Now it is actually the Holy Spirit in the life of the believers that is the hindering force. Some say, well, it is just the Holy Spirit. No, it is the Holy Spirit in the church-in the life of the believers. And as soon as the church is taken out of this world, there will be no more restraining forces against evil-no more voices against evil. The restraining force of the church will be removed and immediately, once the church is removed, this man of sin will take over using his powers that will be given to him by Satan. And the world will be plunged into darkness such as the world has never seen before, or will ever see again, thank God!

It is only the presence of the Holy Spirit in the church that is keeping Satan from this final thrust to gain absolute control over all the earth and plunging the world into its darkest hour. The mystery of iniquity is already at work. We see it. We see the decaying effects of sin. We see it everywhere. The spirit of antichrist is all around us. Jesus Christ is being mocked, being scorned, being ridiculed and derided.

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May we're waiting for the RAPTOR.





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