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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severly Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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Hey guys, your doom is canceled, they got the surfboard out and Gavin says we back in a drought so, maybe you loney dam collapse hopefulls can glom onto some other imagined impending tragedy...
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from dead tread:
I think they are fudging the cameras also. Even though more water is coming in than out the lake cam started showing lower water level, some shots appear have masked out areas. The top cam during a hard rain showed left view hard rain, center view overcast day, right cam foggy day. When you see them doing emergency fish rescue it is to late maybe.
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from dead tread:
I think they are fudging the cameras also. Even though more water is coming in than out the lake cam started showing lower water level, some shots appear have masked out areas. The top cam during a hard rain showed left view hard rain, center view overcast day, right cam foggy day. When you see them doing emergency fish rescue it is to late maybe.
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Link for those camera's please
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oroville dam webcams
[link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)]

I Just looked and compared the top spillway cam with the lake cam. The top spillway cam showed the big crane pointing toward the dam, the lake cam showed the cam was point left. Also, the water in has been twice the water going out but lake cam shows less water height than a few days a go.

See what you think.
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Hey guys, your doom is canceled, they got the surfboard out and Gavin says we back in a drought so, maybe you loney dam collapse hopefulls can glom onto some other imagined impending tragedy...
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stfu
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Can anybody find this link? I tried, no success.

At the Oroville dam watch site on youtube, a poster said this:

"Trumpet news put out a good video a couple hours ago. (PandP edit- add 10 hours for the time of comment, from now) Sounds like when they reopened spillway, it started vibrating (conjecture) so they shut it down to prevent failure. etc. "

Can anybody find that video? Much appreciated if you can.
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I just got a call from a guy in the Atlanta area. He said he saw thousands and thousands of what appeared to be body bags stacked up near the Johnson train tracks just outside of Porterville.
On each body bag was the word 'Oroville'.
WTF?
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CAN WE GET SOME MORE OF THOSE 'SPECIFICS'....DETAILS....IF U CAN...PLEASE
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Hi.. it's me again.
My buddy from Atlanta called again. Actually, it was my uncle.
Uncle Fred. So... consider this top shelf 'uncle intel' kinda stuff. Anyways, uncle Fred said he had one too many beers the other day near Johnson Station and misread the body bags. The name on the body bags was not 'Oroville'... rather, the name was 'Orville Redenbacher'.
Also, Uncle Fred said they were not body bags.... on closer inspection he determined they were giant corn popping bags. Apparently there's a big popcorn party in Dallas and they always do thing the big way in Texas.
The giant Orville Redenbacher popcorn bags were going to be shipped to Texas by train next week.
Thanks for the intel Uncle Fred!
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Can we please pin this thread until the real data comes back online? Something isn't right with the data issue. Prayers that the dam and spillway are both ok, but we should watch this until they get the data fixed.
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535.87 NOW..WHAT EVER THE FUCK THE NEW NUMBER MEANS...
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it means they have drained some water.
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NO IT DOESN'T COCK FER BRAINS...YOU DONT LOSE 2.5 MILLION ACRE FEET OF WATER BY TURNING OFF A FUCKING SPILLWAY!
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Your so elegant when dealing with stupids. Keep up the good work.
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I agree. UH's prose is so refreshing I feel like a new person every time I read it. I'd have to say he is the most talented writer/poster on this board! 5a
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Are the gates closed? Spillway livestream cam is showing water flowing down.
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Are the gates closed? Spillway livestream cam is showing water flowing down.
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12 minutes ago Jack in VA is showing it dry:

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Topside crane is lowering something down onto the spillway by the gates. #OrovilleDam
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Are the gates closed? Spillway livestream cam is showing water flowing down.
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12 minutes ago Jack in VA is showing it dry:

[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Topside crane is lowering something down onto the spillway by the gates. #OrovilleDam
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Goto [link to www.parks.ca.gov (secure)] Lake Oroville SRA Spillway Live Stream you can clearly see water coming down.
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Can anybody find this link? I tried, no success.

At the Oroville dam watch site on youtube, a poster said this:

"Trumpet news put out a good video a couple hours ago. (PandP edit- add 10 hours for the time of comment, from now) Sounds like when they reopened spillway, it started vibrating (conjecture) so they shut it down to prevent failure. etc. "

Can anybody find that video? Much appreciated if you can.
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References GLP
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83% full on April 11th, to now showing only at 11% full... doesn't make any since at all.
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Perhaps that's truth in advance. You know, what will be after the damn dam breaks.
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Finally fixed
9,905 16,784 10,053 41.84 13.4
04/15/2019 08:00 536.38 N 381,288 N 7,750 18,402 10,020 41.84 13.4
04/15/2019 09:00 0.00 N BRT N 7,775 20,950 10,026 41.84 13.4
04/15/2019 10:00 860.00 2,944,749 7,970 19,968 10,009 41.84 13.4

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]
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Working on spillage now
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Spillway now ,gates closed, some water still flowing,
Some rubber blocking left side to keep water away from problem area
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Finally fixed
9,905 16,784 10,053 41.84 13.4
04/15/2019 08:00 536.38 N 381,288 N 7,750 18,402 10,020 41.84 13.4
04/15/2019 09:00 0.00 N BRT N 7,775 20,950 10,026 41.84 13.4
04/15/2019 10:00 860.00 2,944,749 7,970 19,968 10,009 41.84 13.4

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

and error again
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Wow. I'm in awe. Is there anything else that you'd like to share?
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Tmorrow maybe.. I am over do for my sleep... getting off. I had a printed images I marked up and sadly it appearantly got lost in a force move I had to make.. lots of paperwork and stuff disappeared.. tossed accidently I suppose with others. I am trying to image from my memory which might be helped If I can look up some of the construction images that were on the net... I don't know if any of that is posted in this thread.
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Okay...Get a good nights rest and talk dirty to us tomorrow. You will talk dirty to us tomorrow, right? afro
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I will do my best...this is always a favorite topic.. with bad dams... there in one in Tennessee I think it is that may go to at some point... and I forget which city is below that one.. but it will get 20 feet of sudden flood water. Man forgets this is not a finished planet yet and it will rock and roll.
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Due to the Notre-Damn fire.. leaving me in unable to focus today on Oroville.. I am passing today.. Maybe tomorrow.
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I just posted this as a stand alone thread, hope ya'll don't mind.
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Greetings all.

Scott Cahill is at Watershed Services of Ohio, along with his wife who is also an expert in dam safety. He has three decades of dam safety teaching and experience under his belt.

[link to www.linkedin.com (secure)]

The phone number is online, so I called to ask about the spillway. I never expected a call back, but within a few hours he and his wife called me back. I asked him several questions and we spoke for over half an hour.

I want to add my general impression of the man. He is very gracious and kind and answered every question, and is not by any means a "doomer", but a realistic sounding person who wants to hope for the best and cares about lives below a troubled dam. He said I could repeat anything he said- ie, not worried about a lawsuit- but there are some things I won't repeat in case I didn't remember the exact details perfectly and I don't want to misquote him.

He gave me the disclaimer that he has not been out on the dam this spring, nor party to DWR secret information. He does have some CA contacts inc. engineers who have told him things the past couple years, but are afraid to go public because they will lose their jobs.

The new billion dollar spillway has failed. Too much water is coming up from underneath. They bolted it down to the underlying rock, but it had been bolted down in 2017 and we saw what happened. They are afraid to use it now lest a slab be pushed up from the water pressure. They are hoping that there is no more major rain, and the Hyatt Power Plant discharge (approx 10,000 cfs) can handle the snow melt enough to not make the spillway necessary this year.

The new emergency spillway would fail from erosion cutback, same as last time. No question. They need excess water to go down the primary spillway, not the emergency spillway.

I asked him, if the 2017 "canyon" did not cut back to the lake, and the spillway failed again this year, could it cut back to the lake this time? He said maybe.

He said the information about the underlying rock and all the geology has been made a national security item, so the public is not to be told anything. I asked about grouting the voids. He said that if the rains stop and they don't need to use the spillway, they could take maybe six months and try to grout all the voids where the water is moving underneath. I asked if they could definitely seal the places where water is moving and he said maybe.

Lots of maybes with this dam.

He told me that some years ago he was asked to be on a panel to assess the California dams. He did his investigation, wrote up a report of all the problems, and made recommendations. This what he does- dam safety. The panel report finally came out and they had eliminated every single thing he had written, and basically said the dams were fine.

I asked why- I mean, it is just so wrong- and he said CA is bankrupt and they don't want to face all the work that needs to be done on their dams.

Cahill said that in 2017 when the spillway broke and carved that nasty canyon in the hill, it was visually awful but not a threat to the dam itself. However, the gates are the big threat. He said they should not have tried to fix the spillway yet but made the gates the top priority the last two years. (all sorts of cracks).

I asked about Juan Brown ( Blancolirio). He said Juan was a good guy who started out reporting on the dam and flying his plane over, but he is a pilot and not a dam safety person. Juan is pretty much the same as DWR now when it comes to what you will hear presented. Cahill wasn't critical or bitter, (he knows they say nasty things about him at the Blancolirio site), but Juan believes what DWR says and DWR is not honest.

He then told me some possible insider knowledge about conflicts of interest and shady business dealings within the CA govt structure as it relates to dams. No surprise, and I think I'll let it go at that.

He said a hundred thousand people may have to die in a dam failure before CA does what has to be done.

He talked about the loss of Oroville dam to Central Valley agriculture and the S CA water supply. It would be disastrous.

He made a big effort to contact responsible persons and agencies about his concerns but nobody official writes or calls back.

If you pray to the Lord, you can pray for mercy that it doesn't rain and that when the water levels drop they can grout all the voids so well that there are no more water leaks. And that they fix the gates. Or else accept that this dam may fail and pray the people below can get out safely. I can't tell you how to pray, but it is not a good situation.

Thanks for reading.
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Gates closed, they are messed up and leak a bit, supposed to be fixed over the next several years if that hunk of junk is still standing.
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Gates closed, they are messed up and leak a bit, supposed to be fixed over the next several years if that hunk of junk is still standing.
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I was shocked they held together through the 2017 mess.
See the good. Prepare for the bad. And enjoy right now.
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Reservoir Data Tracking is back online!

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

DATE / TIME
PDT RES ELE
FEET STORAGE
AF OUTFLOW
CFS INFLOW
CFS RIV REL
CFS RAIN
INCHES BAT VOL

04/15/2019 12:00 859.99 2,944,610 7,895 18,301 10,009 41.84 13.3
04/15/2019 13:00 864.39 3,006,076 7,951 18,301 10,009 41.84 13.4
04/15/2019 14:00 864.43 3,006,639 7,921 16,405 10,009 41.84 13.4
04/15/2019 15:00 864.49 3,007,483 8,051 15,615 9,987 41.84 13.4
04/15/2019 16:00 864.55 3,008,328 7,950 18,361 9,966 41.84 13.4

Jumped up 4.5 feet and 60000 acre-feet since the monitoring went down!
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Gates closed, water coming down the spillway on the left side (facing up) making splashes and waves. Flow rate has been increasing since this morning.
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Holy Shit!

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it means they have drained some water.
 Quoting: Kung Fu Lover


NO IT DOESN'T COCK FER BRAINS...YOU DONT LOSE 2.5 MILLION ACRE FEET OF WATER BY TURNING OFF A FUCKING SPILLWAY!
 Quoting: UH 70817168


Your so elegant when dealing with stupids. Keep up the good work.
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I agree. UH's prose is so refreshing I feel like a new person every time I read it. I'd have to say he is the most talented writer/poster on this board! 5a
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IT'S GOOD 2 B THE KING...
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85% FULL

108 % OF HISTORICAL AVERAGE...AND RISING...

PS. SPILLWAY IS 'FUCT'...1 BILLION DOLLAH BONER...
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look_down CAP'N, I BET YOU'RE ABOUT READY TO WHIP IT OUT AND GIVE IT A TUG BECAUSE I KNOW YOU GET OFF ON THIS SHIT!

DO YOU THINK A COLLAPSE OF THIS PHUKER IS IMMINENT?
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WE GOTS SNO MELT UH COMIN...SHOON...WE GOTS WEIRD BROKEN DATA AND BROKEN INS-TRA-MENTS....GRAPH ON LINE FOR THE STATE IS SHOWING AN EMPTY DAM FOR TWO FUCKIN DAYS NOW..AT LEAST...

STORM NEXT FEW DAYS...BROKEN NEW SPILLWAY...

ZERO ANNOUNCEMENTS...COMMUNICATIONS FROM 'THE DAM'...

I'VE SAID PAGE 1111 ON THIS THREAD....A HEAT WAVE AND A STORM SYSTEM AND IT IS AT NEAR CAPACITY...SPILLWAY TURNED OFF...THE THING HAS NOT HELD THAT MUCH PRESSURE SINCE IT WAS WEAKENED..BACK THEN...WET SPOT GETS MORE PRESSURE TOO...

SHIT....THIS THINGS READY TO SQUIRT THE WAY THEY R RUNNIN IT INTO THE GROUND....SON.
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MAN OH MAN, CAP'N...NOW YER SPEAKING MY KIND OF LANGUAGE, BROTHER!!! I'MMORE READY NOW THAN I'VE EVER BEEN!!!

ARE YOU READY? GET READY MY BRROOTTHHEERR!!


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BEST BUMP FOR INFO TOO!
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UPDATE: SPILLWAY ACTUALLY NOT FUCKED. MISREPORTS ATTRIBUTED TO TARDS ON GLP. CARRY ON.