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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severly Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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I'm still burned out by the first time this almost blew years ago.

What are the odds of this going now?
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What are the odd that they are not using the spillway with a significant storm breathing down your neck.

What are the odds the politicians will admit a mistake/ reveal their corruption?

What are the odds that Kiewit has contracts to take down multiple dams in California and Oregon?

What are the odds that Kiewit is known for their mining business?

What are the odds that the hill they built spillway number two is loaded with gold?

What are the odds they are asphalting everything in sight and taking down trees that could be dangerous debris?

What are the odds that the seismograms are reading some super strange crap right now.



If you are in the paralysis of Normalcy Bias Syndrome please wake up and leave.

Nothing here is good and normal!
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I'm still burned out by the first time this almost blew years ago.

What are the odds of this going now?
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What are the odd that they are not using the spillway with a significant storm breathing down your neck.

What are the odds the politicians will admit a mistake/ reveal their corruption?

What are the odds that Kiewit has contracts to take down multiple dams in California and Oregon?

What are the odds that Kiewit is known for their mining business?

What are the odds that the hill they built spillway number two is loaded with gold?

What are the odds they are asphalting everything in sight and taking down trees that could be dangerous debris?

What are the odds that the seismograms are reading some super strange crap right now.



If you are in the paralysis of Normalcy Bias Syndrome please wake up and leave.

Nothing here is good and normal!
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I believe you. I also know I was glued to the first 700 page thread where we all thought it was only a matter of time before the big one happened. I've lost my ability to see clearly now although I don't see any water coming down the MS atm.

Not to be an asshole but if it's gonna go this time, better sooner than later for our mental health.
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I am sorry this is happening to you and I am purposely being a jerk because I want everyone to wake up.

Leave now. Now is good.

Tell me the name of a hotel in a safe spot and I will pay for you for two nights. No kidding you just tell me where you bugged out to and I will pay.

This is a serious situation.
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Overview of the reservoirs in the watershed that feeds the Oroville Reservoir in Butte County, California. Information about the forks of the Feather River that flow into Lake Oroville.

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I'm still burned out by the first time this almost blew years ago.

What are the odds of this going now?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77646666






What are the odd that they are not using the spillway with a significant storm breathing down your neck.

What are the odds the politicians will admit a mistake/ reveal their corruption?

What are the odds that Kiewit has contracts to take down multiple dams in California and Oregon?

What are the odds that Kiewit is known for their mining business?

What are the odds that the hill they built spillway number two is loaded with gold?

What are the odds they are asphalting everything in sight and taking down trees that could be dangerous debris?

What are the odds that the seismograms are reading some super strange crap right now.



If you are in the paralysis of Normalcy Bias Syndrome please wake up and leave.

Nothing here is good and normal!
 Quoting: Amanda Lee


I believe you. I also know I was glued to the first 700 page thread where we all thought it was only a matter of time before the big one happened. I've lost my ability to see clearly now although I don't see any water coming down the MS atm.

Not to be an asshole but if it's gonna go this time, better sooner than later for our mental health.
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I am sorry this is happening to you and I am purposely being a jerk because I want everyone to wake up.

Leave now. Now is good.

Tell me the name of a hotel in a safe spot and I will pay for you for two nights. No kidding you just tell me where you bugged out to and I will pay.

This is a serious situation.
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Now I really feel like an asshole. I'm in NYC atm.

I've followed most humanitarian crises since I was a teenager though, and am beyond burned out learning of the endless suffering on this planet.
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I get it.
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California Dam Level Graph:

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I get it.
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And the matrix has tagged me with those last thee digits in other parts of life.
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What are the odd that they are not using the spillway with a significant storm breathing down your neck.

What are the odds the politicians will admit a mistake/ reveal their corruption?

What are the odds that Kiewit has contracts to take down multiple dams in California and Oregon?

What are the odds that Kiewit is known for their mining business?

What are the odds that the hill they built spillway number two is loaded with gold?

What are the odds they are asphalting everything in sight and taking down trees that could be dangerous debris?

What are the odds that the seismograms are reading some super strange crap right now.



If you are in the paralysis of Normalcy Bias Syndrome please wake up and leave.

Nothing here is good and normal!
 Quoting: Amanda Lee


I believe you. I also know I was glued to the first 700 page thread where we all thought it was only a matter of time before the big one happened. I've lost my ability to see clearly now although I don't see any water coming down the MS atm.

Not to be an asshole but if it's gonna go this time, better sooner than later for our mental health.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77646666


I am sorry this is happening to you and I am purposely being a jerk because I want everyone to wake up.

Leave now. Now is good.

Tell me the name of a hotel in a safe spot and I will pay for you for two nights. No kidding you just tell me where you bugged out to and I will pay.

This is a serious situation.
 Quoting: Amanda Lee


Now I really feel like an asshole. I'm in NYC atm.

I've followed most humanitarian crises since I was a teenager though, and am beyond burned out learning of the endless suffering on this planet.
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666,

devil6 GOING DOWN?
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Current Snow pack Conditions Snow water content chart
[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

Daily Snow Sensor Report
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Current Snow pack Conditions Snow water content chart
[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

Daily Snow Sensor Report
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PIC HIGHLIGHTING GATE PROBLEMS!

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IT'S A REPEAT FROM EARLIER...IT'S WORTH REPEATING!
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Current Snow pack Conditions Snow water content chart
[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

Daily Snow Sensor Report
[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]
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Lots of potential inflows if the temperature rises.
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River Daily Full Natural Flows for May 2019

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River Daily Full Natural Flows for May 2019

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BASIN SUMMARY OF FULL NATURAL FLOWS - ACRE FEET (AF) - WATER YEAR 2019

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See you guys tomorrow I’m done. Should be exciting times. Maybe a mod or Geo can pin it for th impending doom..
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Last Edited by UseLessRepEATER on 05/15/2019 01:27 AM
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When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
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Real Eyes, Realize, Real Lies.....


Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.
~H. L. Mencken~

We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.
~Plato~

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic.
~Dresden James~
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All the local forums regarding the dam in Butte County are people being angry about the You Tube videos and such that are "fear mongering" and that everything is fine and just resharing what DWR posted. Honea is a local hero since the camp fire and if he says everything is fine, everyone is going to think everything is just fine. This makes me really nervous.
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PIC HIGHLIGHTING GATE PROBLEMS!

[link to i.imgur.com (secure)]

IT'S A REPEAT FROM EARLIER...IT'S WORTH REPEATING!
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Steel fails from ductile fatigue cycling, so the cracks only grow when they use the gates. As long as they limit the number of open-close cycles they can limit the crack growth. Cracking is expected and starts long before failure happens, indeed "failure" typically happens because a part grows too large to function (because of stretching and/or cracking), not because it actually breaks. The behavior of watching cracks grow is standard procedure and works within a fairly large margin of certainty

HOWEVER

Something like this dam should be held to a much higher standard. Even a 1 % chance of sudden failure is totally unacceptable. A pipeline? No worries. Bridge? Okay, fine. Horrible if it fails, yes. Lives lost, most likely. But just the top third of this dam contains approximately 5 PETAJOULES of potential energy. Suddenly draining 2 million acrefeet from that dam would release as much energy as a 1 megaton nuke.

Extreme scenario? Yes. Unlikely even now? Probably, I don't have access to reliable information. Worth protecting against even the tiniest chance, at any cost? Absolutely.
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Steel fails from ductile fatigue cycling, so the cracks only grow when they use the gates. As long as they limit the number of open-close cycles they can limit the crack growth. Cracking is expected and starts long before failure happens, indeed "failure" typically happens because a part grows too large to function (because of stretching and/or cracking), not because it actually breaks. The behavior of watching cracks grow is standard procedure and works within a fairly large margin of certainty

HOWEVER

Something like this dam should be held to a much higher standard. Even a 1 % chance of sudden failure is totally unacceptable. A pipeline? No worries. Bridge? Okay, fine. Horrible if it fails, yes. Lives lost, most likely. But just the top third of this dam contains approximately 5 PETAJOULES of potential energy. Suddenly draining 2 million acrefeet from that dam would release as much energy as a 1 megaton nuke.

Extreme scenario? Yes. Unlikely even now? Probably, I don't have access to reliable information. Worth protecting against even the tiniest chance, at any cost? Absolutely.


Excellent post
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I am currently monitoring the overnight livestream right now.

Huge spotlights are being employed to light up the entire downhill-side face of the MS gate structure area.

That has NOT been recent standard practice.

Something's up....?
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I'm still burned out by the first time this almost blew years ago.

What are the odds of this going now?
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What are the odd that they are not using the spillway with a significant storm breathing down your neck.

What are the odds the politicians will admit a mistake/ reveal their corruption?

What are the odds that Kiewit has contracts to take down multiple dams in California and Oregon?

What are the odds that Kiewit is known for their mining business?

What are the odds that the hill they built spillway number two is loaded with gold?

What are the odds they are asphalting everything in sight and taking down trees that could be dangerous debris?

What are the odds that the seismograms are reading some super strange crap right now.



If you are in the paralysis of Normalcy Bias Syndrome please wake up and leave.

Nothing here is good and normal!
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Hmmm. Maybe that's why the emergency spillway looks like a giant slice... Ridges to catch the gold.
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I am currently monitoring the overnight livestream right now.

Huge spotlights are being employed to light up the entire downhill-side face of the MS gate structure area.

That has NOT been recent standard practice.

Something's up....?
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I would guess the flow through the gaps in the spillway is increasing. As well as the leaks around the gates.
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There are two LEO vehicles with lights flashing at the little parking lot to the left (looking down from the gates) on that little high spot on the bank overlooking the top section of the MS.

Some intrepid citizen reporter being arrested...or...???
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HOURLY DATA
Earlier

DATE / TIME
PDT RES ELE
FEET STORAGE
AF OUTFLOW
CFS INFLOW
CFS RIV REL
CFS RAIN
INCHES BAT VOL
VOLTS
05/14/2019 17:00 889.21 3,369,958 9,513 11,438 7,496 42.38 13.4
05/14/2019 18:00 889.21 3,369,958 9,417 11,439 7,475 42.38 13.4
05/14/2019 19:00 889.21 3,369,958 9,543 9,552 7,496 42.38 13.5
05/14/2019 20:00 889.21 3,369,958 9,429 10,470 7,496 42.38 13.4
05/14/2019 21:00 889.22 3,370,110 9,452 10,471 7,496 42.38 13.4
05/14/2019 22:00 889.22 3,370,110 9,502 9,364 7,475 42.38 13.5
05/14/2019 23:00 889.23 3,370,263 9,543 9,371 7,496 42.38 13.5
05/15/2019 00:00 889.23 3,370,263 9,505 10,296 7,475 42.38 13.5
05/15/2019 01:00 889.23 3,370,263 9,416 10,274 7,496 42.38 13.4
05/15/2019 02:00 889.24 3,370,416 9,661 10,705 7,496 42.38 13.4
05/15/2019 03:00 889.25 3,370,569 9,481 11,629 7,496 42.38 13.4
05/15/2019 04:00 889.26 3,370,722 9,478 11,469 7,475 42.38 13.4
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Steel fails from ductile fatigue cycling, so the cracks only grow when they use the gates. As long as they limit the number of open-close cycles they can limit the crack growth. Cracking is expected and starts long before failure happens, indeed "failure" typically happens because a part grows too large to function (because of stretching and/or cracking), not because it actually breaks. The behavior of watching cracks grow is standard procedure and works within a fairly large margin of certainty

HOWEVER

Something like this dam should be held to a much higher standard. Even a 1 % chance of sudden failure is totally unacceptable. A pipeline? No worries. Bridge? Okay, fine. Horrible if it fails, yes. Lives lost, most likely. But just the top third of this dam contains approximately 5 PETAJOULES of potential energy. Suddenly draining 2 million acrefeet from that dam would release as much energy as a 1 megaton nuke.

Extreme scenario? Yes. Unlikely even now? Probably, I don't have access to reliable information. Worth protecting against even the tiniest chance, at any cost? Absolutely.
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Excellent post


Is it normal for a brand new spillway to crack all over from 15,000 CFS? Not even 10% what it is rated for.
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PIC HIGHLIGHTING GATE PROBLEMS!

[link to i.imgur.com (secure)]

IT'S A REPEAT FROM EARLIER...IT'S WORTH REPEATING!
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Like I said....vibrations.

It is by the Grace of God that thing hasn’t crumbled.

Yah someone added that happens from gates opening....

It also happens with low low low frequencies....and we have confirmation of elf happening in that area.

Last Edited by CleverCreator on 05/15/2019 08:32 AM
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