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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severly Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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A PREVIEW OF THE OROVILLE GATES? uhoh

FOLSOM DAM GATE:

[link to damfailures.org (secure)]
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The gates on oroville are heavy duty ones, not shed doors like folsom
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Agreed! I'm so tired of these all-caps people that clutter up the thread with junk.
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This lady explains the feather river drainage really well...posted yesterday.

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Lots of activity at the gully to the front left of the gates looking up hill. They have an excavator there at the edge of the roadway they just paved and a bunch of shovel-leaners with grim looks on their faces. Is leakage through the spillway area, increasing down in that gully....?
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Yeah, I saw an excavator with an auger working right there. WTF?
What the Hell?...
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0.3 to 0.5 inches of precip in the Feather river watershed so far today, updated forecasts show 4-7 inches expected in the next 6 days!


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Lots of activity at the gully to the front left of the gates looking up hill. They have an excavator there at the edge of the roadway they just paved and a bunch of shovel-leaners with grim looks on their faces. Is leakage through the spillway area, increasing down in that gully....?
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Yeah, I saw an excavator with an auger working right there. WTF?
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Drilling more dynamite holes...??

Is Saul Alinsky up there helping to "collapse the system"...or what?
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In 2017 12.8" of rain made the lake go from 850 to 902 in 4 days.

That's 4' per inch of rain.

1 inch is absorbed by terrain, mostly. So let's say it rains 4 inches.

That's 3 inches of lake impacting rain, 12 feet. That puts the lake at 901.

If it rains 7 inches, 6 impacting the lake, that's 24 feet of lake rising. 12 feet of over flow.

It's down to the line. No more than 4 inches of rain.
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0.3 to 0.5 inches of precip in the Feather river watershed so far today, updated forecasts show 4-7 inches expected in the next 6 days!


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Per my calculations, about 3 pages back from the Army Corp of Engineers data, the lake can NOT physically accept that much water UNLESS they open the Main Spillway.

This entire set of events lined up for the next 5 days is like watching a slow motion train wreck. If you have ever seen one of those happen you can usually see it coming for a full 30 seconds, sometimes a minute, before it happens, and you sit there glued to watching it knowing it is going to happen - and there is NOTHING anybody can do about it. Not you, not the train engineer, not anybody, AND THEN IT HAPPENS and stuff flies everywhere all at once.
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Could someone explain how it is possible for the inflows to exceed the outflows by over a thousand cubic feet per second for over two hours and the storage number NOT change?

05/15/2019 11:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,543 10,679
05/15/2019 12:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,850 10,777

DWR MAGIC MATH!!!
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0.3 to 0.5 inches of precip in the Feather river watershed so far today, updated forecasts show 4-7 inches expected in the next 6 days!


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Per my calculations, about 3 pages back from the Army Corp of Engineers data, the lake can NOT physically accept that much water UNLESS they open the Main Spillway.

This entire set of events lined up for the next 5 days is like watching a slow motion train wreck. If you have ever seen one of those happen you can usually see it coming for a full 30 seconds, sometimes a minute, before it happens, and you sit there glued to watching it knowing it is going to happen - and there is NOTHING anybody can do about it. Not you, not the train engineer, not anybody, AND THEN IT HAPPENS and stuff flies everywhere all at once.
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Yep, EXACTLY Midwest!

They should be sending 30K+ CFS outta that dam now. Mind boggling.
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Could someone explain how it is possible for the inflows to exceed the outflows by over a thousand cubic feet per second for over two hours and the storage number NOT change?

05/15/2019 11:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,543 10,679
05/15/2019 12:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,850 10,777

DWR MAGIC MATH!!!
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UH said the numbers are being manipulated, IDK but maybe that's not enough difference to change the acre feet yet?
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Could someone explain how it is possible for the inflows to exceed the outflows by over a thousand cubic feet per second for over two hours and the storage number NOT change?

05/15/2019 11:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,543 10,679
05/15/2019 12:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,850 10,777

DWR MAGIC MATH!!!
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Make that "over three hours now"...

05/15/2019 1:00 889.29 3,371,179 --- ---
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The higher the level gets the wider the lake becomes..... Takes more water to fill up.
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Could someone explain how it is possible for the inflows to exceed the outflows by over a thousand cubic feet per second for over two hours and the storage number NOT change?

05/15/2019 11:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,543 10,679
05/15/2019 12:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,850 10,777

DWR MAGIC MATH!!!
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Increased leaking at weak areas
And the hour glass shape of the lake
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The higher the level gets the wider the lake becomes..... Takes more water to fill up.
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Remember that this number is acre feet of water: 3,371,179

Which is a volume measurement.
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The higher the level gets the wider the lake becomes..... Takes more water to fill up.
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Remember that this number is acre feet of water: 3,371,179

Which is a volume measurement.
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It's calculated from lake height times surface area. It doesn't change until the lake height reading changes, then it jumps by .01ft*surface area at that height.
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The higher the level gets the wider the lake becomes..... Takes more water to fill up.
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Remember that this number is acre feet of water: 3,371,179

Which is a volume measurement.
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It's calculated from lake height times surface area. It doesn't change until the lake height reading changes, then it jumps by .01ft*surface area at that height.
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One acre is 43,560 cubic feet...i.e the amount of water needed to flood an acre to a depth of one foot.

At an inflow rate of more than 1000 CFS GREATER than the outflows, an acre foot is added in less than every 43.56 seconds.

To go over two hours at that net rate of inflow and claim NO ADDITIONAL ACRE FEET were added to the reservoir is just plain lazy and stupid.
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Insert the word "foot" (AF) in the third spot in the openings sentence above.
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Lots of activity at the gully to the front left of the gates looking up hill. They have an excavator there at the edge of the roadway they just paved and a bunch of shovel-leaners with grim looks on their faces. Is leakage through the spillway area, increasing down in that gully....?
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Yeah, I saw an excavator with an auger working right there. WTF?
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CRUNCH,

I DON'T UNDERSTAND THE PART ABOUT THE AUGER. WHAT WILL TAHT BE USED FOR?

THANKS!
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Lots of activity at the gully to the front left of the gates looking up hill. They have an excavator there at the edge of the roadway they just paved and a bunch of shovel-leaners with grim looks on their faces. Is leakage through the spillway area, increasing down in that gully....?
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Yeah, I saw an excavator with an auger working right there. WTF?
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Drilling more dynamite holes...??

Is Saul Alinsky up there helping to "collapse the system"...or what?
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ops
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Could someone explain how it is possible for the inflows to exceed the outflows by over a thousand cubic feet per second for over two hours and the storage number NOT change?

05/15/2019 11:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,543 10,679
05/15/2019 12:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,850 10,777

DWR MAGIC MATH!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77016816


Make that "over three hours now"...

05/15/2019 1:00 889.29 3,371,179 --- ---
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beneath the main Oroville dam, there is something called the "thermolito diversion pool". From here, the water can go to 2 different places: the Feather River, and also to something called the "thermolito forebay." The thermolito forebay eventually gets released BACK into the Feather River. Just look at a map.

I am going to guess (and from what I have gathered from other posts) that the outflows are measured in TWO places:
ONE - water released from the diversion pool and into the Feather River
TWO - wather released from the forebay and into the Feather River

you add up One and Two and that is the TOTAL amount of outflows.

However I could be wrong

cruise

(SO, how full is the Diversion Pool and also the Forebay??!!)

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I like that doooode.

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This lady explains the feather river drainage really well...posted yesterday.

[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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MUAHAHAHAHAHHAH

WE GOT THIS DIOM ON THE FRONT PAGE OF ZEDGE
WE LIKELY WILL GET UT ON DRUDGE SOON!!!

CA DWR WILL BE IN THE NATUONAL SPOTLIGHT FOR their stupidity and corruption

#democratdisaster

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A couple questions,

What did they do with all that asphalt?

In a video yesterday, I think it was 25 minutes, no voice just text.
I think it was at 17 minutes they showed 3 approximately 6'
diameter drains ending by the river at bottom of hill.....
In the process of being buried.

Where is the top end of those? Where are they going to drain from?
Retired Union Millwright.
Tired of working with imbeciles and idiots!
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Could someone explain how it is possible for the inflows to exceed the outflows by over a thousand cubic feet per second for over two hours and the storage number NOT change?

05/15/2019 11:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,543 10,679
05/15/2019 12:00 889.29 3,371,179 9,850 10,777

DWR MAGIC MATH!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77016816


Make that "over three hours now"...

05/15/2019 1:00 889.29 3,371,179 --- ---
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77016816


beneath the main Oroville dam, there is something called the "thermolito diversion pool". From here, the water can go to 2 different places: the Feather River, and also to something called the "thermolito forebay." The thermolito forebay eventually gets released BACK into the Feather River. Just look at a map.

I am going to guess (and from what I have gathered from other posts) that the outflows are measured in TWO places:
ONE - water released from the diversion pool and into the Feather River
TWO - wather released from the forebay and into the Feather River

you add up One and Two and that is the TOTAL amount of outflows.

However I could be wrong

cruise

(SO, how full is the Diversion Pool and also the Forebay??!!)
 Quoting: MrNatural


Yes wrong.
Outflow is what is released directly from the lake (whatever method used) into the pool below the dam itself.

River Release is the total that is released downstream into the main Feather River from the bays and the remaining thru put which comes from the pool below the lake (that has not been channeled off into the bays.)

This way the actual river release can be adjusted up or down as necessary. A surplus can be retained in the bays to reduce river release or previously retained surplus can be released to increase river release.

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The higher the level gets the wider the lake becomes..... Takes more water to fill up.
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Remember that this number is acre feet of water: 3,371,179

Which is a volume measurement.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77650159


It's calculated from lake height times surface area. It doesn't change until the lake height reading changes, then it jumps by .01ft*surface area at that height.
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One acre is 43,560 cubic feet...i.e the amount of water needed to flood an acre to a depth of one foot.

At an inflow rate of more than 1000 CFS GREATER than the outflows, an acre foot is added in less than every 43.56 seconds.

To go over two hours at that net rate of inflow and claim NO ADDITIONAL ACRE FEET were added to the reservoir is just plain lazy and stupid.
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LYING SEEM TO WORK FOR THEM.
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The fulerton dipshit with the bad haircut has gine mega fucking viral, I’m not sure if it’s us (GLiPtards) or him driving this the most, but we now got national attention on the scurrying cockroaches (CA government workers and politicians)

Cant wait till calpers goes belly up along with everything else the Demonshits touch.
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'Cause I'm never gonna stop the rain by complaining
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