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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severly Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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Nothing weird to see here. Map of PG&E's 'potential' shutoff areas on Saturday night. All of the dry, windy areas in California, and the foothils grid around #OrovilleDam is the only one that rates a blackout - tonight? 9 PM to noon tomorrow? Psychopaths..
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Interesting, looks like maybe they used a wet saw to make some cuts in the concrete there, why, don't know.
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Don't the turbines need an external excitation current to produce output? Sorry, thinking of automotive alternators here. Surely, the turbines aren't simple dynamos with giant static magnets.
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Yes, turbines need rotor excitation.
I'm a retired Turbine mechanic. The power input to the rotor is significant I might add.
I suspect they may be able to use power from one turbine output to energize the next, cascading down the line.
"Perhaps"
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Thanks for that. I did 20 years as an auto tech and 17 more as an IT guy. I think I still might have a basic understanding of how things work, LOL.
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Not sure what the hydro units might require....

250MW steam generators are like 22KV on the field or output windings. Don't recall what the rotors are rated.
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Not sure of the type of generators hyatt uses, but I do know they upgraded the turbines not too too long ago, see if I can find the article I read a while back that talked about it. New stainless, modern material more efficient models the DWR was talking up.

Far as I know, hyatt must be connected to the "Grid" to operate at all. I assume the overall power generation at least must have some load anyway, assuming a grid tie is the easiest fastest way to do it. I know in 2017 when the distribution lines went down, they couldn't operate until temp lines were linked up.

Found article, talks up the new turbines, new runners too. oooh, they're austenitic AND nitronic, if they would have Titanium nitrited some stuff? it might have caused a cool metal term overload!

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Shiney brand new concertina wire on the fence, nice touch.

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Nothing weird to see here. Map of PG&E's 'potential' shutoff areas on Saturday night. All of the dry, windy areas in California, and the foothils grid around #OrovilleDam is the only one that rates a blackout - tonight? 9 PM to noon tomorrow? Psychopaths..
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So stupid. Hide the electrical underground and problems solved.
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Shiney brand new concertina wire on the fence, nice touch.

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Looks like shit to me.
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Yes, turbines need rotor excitation.
I'm a retired Turbine mechanic. The power input to the rotor is significant I might add.
I suspect they may be able to use power from one turbine output to energize the next, cascading down the line.
"Perhaps"
 Quoting: Hnry Bwmn


Thanks for that. I did 20 years as an auto tech and 17 more as an IT guy. I think I still might have a basic understanding of how things work, LOL.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Not sure what the hydro units might require....

250MW steam generators are like 22KV on the field or output windings. Don't recall what the rotors are rated.
 Quoting: Hnry Bwmn


Not sure of the type of generators hyatt uses, but I do know they upgraded the turbines not too too long ago, see if I can find the article I read a while back that talked about it. New stainless, modern material more efficient models the DWR was talking up.

Far as I know, hyatt must be connected to the "Grid" to operate at all. I assume the overall power generation at least must have some load anyway, assuming a grid tie is the easiest fastest way to do it. I know in 2017 when the distribution lines went down, they couldn't operate until temp lines were linked up.

Found article, talks up the new turbines, new runners too. oooh, they're austenitic AND nitronic, if they would have Titanium nitrited some stuff? it might have caused a cool metal term overload!

[link to www.hydroworld.com (secure)]
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Thank you for that article. I enjoyed the mental workout reading the whole thing.
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Nothing weird to see here. Map of PG&E's 'potential' shutoff areas on Saturday night. All of the dry, windy areas in California, and the foothils grid around #OrovilleDam is the only one that rates a blackout - tonight? 9 PM to noon tomorrow? Psychopaths..
 Quoting: Amanda Lee


So stupid. Hide the electrical underground and problems solved.
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Cannot be done, cost prohibitive.
You think your electricity is expensive now?
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Weiryone lives near Oroville Dam (since he was a young boy).

Weiryone's personal pics of lower spillway taken yesterday:
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For reference and comparison, a few pics of lower spillway snips taken from May 2019 until early June 2019:
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Hyatt worked through the night. Lake level is down a bit more. Maybe everything will be ok!
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great pics. best so far of lower spillway action.

quote: "The new construction puts a stop to further use of the main spillway for the season. Construction began Thursday June 6, 2019 when excavators and heavy equipment began removing a large portion of the bottom of the spillway."

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“Stoner Logic” at Oroville Dam Spillway
June 8, 2019 [email protected] aka Paul Preston

great pics. best so far of lower spillway action.

quote: "The new construction puts a stop to further use of the main spillway for the season. Construction began Thursday June 6, 2019 when excavators and heavy equipment began removing a large portion of the bottom of the spillway."

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Well, that explains what was going on, concrete saw.

A bridge?

The California Department of Water Resources (DWR) has begun new construction of a road at the base of the spillway below the dentates or dragon’s teeth water energy dissipaters.

The new construction puts a stop to further use of the main spillway for the season. Construction began Thursday June 6, 2019 when excavators and heavy equipment began removing a large portion of the bottom of the spillway.

The bottom of the spillway has a ledge that will be put into use as a road for heavy equipment. When the decision to open the spillway this year the access road at the riverside was removed. The ledge can be restructured to support anticipated further use as a road to help complete the rebuilding of the spillway.

Large saws used by Penhall Inc. on June 8, 2019 to start cutting the concrete ledge of the lower spillway. The DWR will be building a bridge to replace the ledge.
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A view of the Lake Oroville main spillway in Butte County, California. The spillway gates are designed with seals to minimize leakage around the edges of the gate. This modest leakage is beneficial with respect to reducing friction when the gates are operated.
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Not only completely Normal, it's also beneficial!
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The bridge over the gate works is about to fall apart.....

Cheapest solution for now....

and just after all that new guard rail work "to open the dam to the public"



Sure would like to see that 12' crack over gate 8.....

And the 'spalling' across the horizontal joint at pier 10
(where that crack is)

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"The new construction puts a stop to further use of the main spillway for the season. Construction began Thursday June 6, 2019 when excavators and heavy equipment began removing a large portion of the bottom of the spillway."


Wait....Wut?

I thought they were going to run the spillway this week??????

These Phukkers have their heads so far up their asses they can't tell when the sun is up....
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Oh and "Good morning Orotards"
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Morning Orotards.
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This tells me they were FOR SURE lying about the MS being "just fine." If they'd had to run it hard I think they know it would have blown the lower part up again, just as before. Now that the melt is over, they are going to proceed with unannounced repairs, as though it were the plan all along..
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That's just to the west of me. Hope we don't get any new fires today.
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Great pics. Amanda. What's with all the razor wire being put up along the DAM road. was there a heavy chain link fence along that road prior to this newly constructed one? Is it to keep random people from leaving the road and wandering down to the spillway perimeter?

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"The new construction puts a stop to further use of the main spillway for the season. Construction began Thursday June 6, 2019 when excavators and heavy equipment began removing a large portion of the bottom of the spillway."


Wait....Wut?

I thought they were going to run the spillway this week??????

These Phukkers have their heads so far up their asses they can't tell when the sun is up....
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I couldn't find the origin of that statement, aside from the "stoner logic" article. It could be part of a photo, didn't look too too hard, but it isn't a statement issued by the DWR that I could find yet.

No matter what though, they aren't going to run the spillway with those K-rail blocks sitting on it and any workers or gear down on that ledge road.
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Good morning everyone!

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2 year old video:

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Non embedded link you above video:

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A view of the Lake Oroville main spillway in Butte County, California. The spillway gates are designed with seals to minimize leakage around the edges of the gate. This modest leakage is beneficial with respect to reducing friction when the gates are operated.
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ROFL...!
Not only completely Normal, it's also beneficial!
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Unbelievable how they lie and spin.

Do you have a link to the text about being beneficial? Thanks.