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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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Here's an idea...

Two turbines fail from over use. That takes 5 down to three operational.

DWR panics and puts 2 of the 3 out for maintenance. Leaving 1 open for obvious reasons.

If so, then outflows will match 2 when the last 1 gets greased up.

Then three will be up for a while.
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Good inference on your part.

I believe that I understand your meaning.

If I am reading you correctly, you suppose the possibility of only three (3) available turbines, with all three (3) requiring maintenance. Two (2) of them are stopped to undergo maintenance while the third one continues to run. Then the two (2) freshly maintained turbines are run while the third turbine is stopped for maintenance. Then, when the third turbine has been maintained ("greased up") it is brought back on line so that three (3) turbines would be running.

Apparently, we have two (2) turbines running now and we expect to have three (3) turbines running soon.

If outflows remain at or below the combined outflow capacity of three (3) turbines, then your insight will be strongly supported.

If outflows are no greater in a few days, we would strongly suspect that the Hyatt Power Plant has three (3) dead turbines and three (3) live turbines.

Three (3) live turbines running at 100% capacity at a combined outflow of 8,000 CFS would then be the limit of inflows that Lake Oroville could sustain. Any greater inflow would raise the lake level.

If we have only three (3) live turbines, I am certain that at least one engineer has told this to the DWR.

All three (3) turbines MUST continue running at 100%, but running a turbine continuously at 100% for days and days will just about guarantee that it breaks down. I think that we have already seen that.

There is zero margin for anything to go wrong.

Here is the first thing that might go wrong:

If we do not see outflows in the 8,000 CFS range by some time tomorrow, then we probably have four (4) dead turbines.
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Exactly!

They lost 2 and knew the last 3 we're ready to fail soon.

Time will tell
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has it ever been this full this long?
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The lake has been this full and more in at least one past season.

I do not know for how long, but I suspect several weeks.

The difference is that now we do not have a functional Main Spillway.
 Quoting: TheRescueOfTheBride


I don't think the leaks were anywhere near as bad as they are now. Did it used to have visible water leaks below the weir?

Plus all the leaks on the hill....they've gotten worse this spring.

It is the nature of leaks to grow in size....obviously faster in dirt, but even in rock.

Anybody have old photos from years ago that show leaks like we have now?
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Imo, the leaks on the MS are getting worse by the week.
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06/15/2019 08:00 894.37 3,449,388 4,877 6,739 2,277 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 09:00 894.38 3,449,544 4,868 6,945 2,229 46.81 13.5
06/15/2019 10:00 894.39 3,449,699 4,909 8,024 2,217 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 11:00 894.41 3,450,009 4,836 8,031 2,216 46.81 13.5
06/15/2019 12:00 894.41 3,450,009 4,852 6,914 2,217 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 13:00 894.42 3,450,164 4,829 6,194 2,169 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 14:00 894.45 3,450,631 4,924 8,068 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 15:00 894.46 3,450,786 4,880 7,671 2,091 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 16:00 894.47 3,450,940 4,844 7,899 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 17:00 894.49 3,451,252 4,868 7,671 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 18:00 894.50 3,451,407 4,874 7,721 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 19:00 894.50 3,451,407 4,857 7,178 2,107 46.81 13.5
06/15/2019 20:00 894.51 3,451,562 4,870 5,830 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 21:00 894.51 3,451,562 4,887 5,833 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 22:00 894.52 3,451,718 4,875 5,121 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 23:00 894.52 3,451,718 4,878 5,120 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 00:00 894.53 3,451,873 4,373 5,082 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 01:00 894.53 3,451,873 4,348 6,700 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 02:00 894.54 3,452,028 4,369 6,483 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 03:00 894.57 3,452,494 4,393 7,008 2,092 46.81 13.5
06/16/2019 04:00 894.58 3,452,650 4,392 7,941 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 05:00 894.60 3,452,960 4,364 7,458 2,068 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 06:00 894.60 3,452,960 4,364 6,296 2,088 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 07:00 894.62 3,453,270 4,354 7,465 2,092 46.81 13.4

That's 24 hours of just two (2) turbines running at about 80% of their capacity.

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Interesting picture of leaks from 2017.

The same areas we are watching and concerned about today.


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The work you put into finding this stuff is much appreciated!
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I'll say amen to that.
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Double that to include me, too!
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I need to nail this down to see if it's just me that is seeing this, please.

When I click on the livestream that is supposed to show the reservoir I am still getting hens strutting around in a hen house (NOT KIDDING.)

When I click on the livestream that is supposed to show the top of the spillway, I am getting just a still photo of the high country above Almanor.

Anyone else being "treated" to this crap?

TIA....
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Webcam at Oroville Dam spillway goes offline

this is what I got when I tried to post the link to the article:

*MediaNews Group (chicoer.com) content is banned from this website due to copyright infringement threats. YOU are liable for what you post on the internet and YOU could be PERSONALLY sued by MediaNews Group (chicoer.com) for copyright infringement for posting their content. We recommend you find an alternative news source for your posts who appreciates the free exposure they receive from discussion of their articles on GLP.

That is totally bizarre.
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But your not seeing chickens?


BTW...8" to go now for a new 2019 high-water mark...
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HEY U ORO TARDZZZZ...WHAZZUP?

WHATS THE LATEST...NUMBERZ?..
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894.66 at 10AM local time.
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894.66 at 10AM local time.
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THANK YOU...AND SO MY FRIENDS AND TROLLZ, IT CONTINUES....THE DRIVE BACK TO 895......!.....THEY SAID IT COULD NEVER HAPPEN........
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I was watching the top spillway cam and it suddenly went offline saying "this live event has ended". Does anyone else think it's weird what they are doing with the cams and that the Oroville newspaper has threatened GLP?
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How and when did the paper threaten GLP?

First I've heard of it.

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Seriously??? NO ONE ELSE IS SEEING CHICKENS on the feed that used to show the reservoir angles??

It does have the latest data at the top, like always, but it's got hens walking around in a hen house.

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.
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How and when did the paper threaten GLP?

First I've heard of it.
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Please see my post above. I tried to post an article about the web cams being down from Chico newspaper. As I quoted above, it says I cannot post anything from Chico news because they have threatened GLP with copyright infringement.
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Webcam at Oroville Dam spillway goes offline

this is what I got when I tried to post the link to the article:

*MediaNews Group (chicoer.com) content is banned from this website due to copyright infringement threats. YOU are liable for what you post on the internet and YOU could be PERSONALLY sued by MediaNews Group (chicoer.com) for copyright infringement for posting their content. We recommend you find an alternative news source for your posts who appreciates the free exposure they receive from discussion of their articles on GLP.

That is totally bizarre.
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The livestream of the MS top is working again here on the East Coast though....
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Seriously??? NO ONE ELSE IS SEEING CHICKENS on the feed that used to show the reservoir angles??

It does have the latest data at the top, like always, but it's got hens walking around in a hen house.

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.
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Post your link.
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Seriously??? NO ONE ELSE IS SEEING CHICKENS on the feed that used to show the reservoir angles??

It does have the latest data at the top, like always, but it's got hens walking around in a hen house.

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.
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Post your link.
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I don't have one. I' watching youtube on TV, but it's the only other DWC Oroville livestream if you just search Youtube for that.

TIA.
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Seriously??? NO ONE ELSE IS SEEING CHICKENS on the feed that used to show the reservoir angles??

It does have the latest data at the top, like always, but it's got hens walking around in a hen house.

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.
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They all seem to be working here in Missouri.

Can you put a link to the page you are viewing?

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How and when did the paper threaten GLP?

First I've heard of it.
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Please see my post above. I tried to post an article about the web cams being down from Chico newspaper. As I quoted above, it says I cannot post anything from Chico news because they have threatened GLP with copyright infringement.
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OK, sorry I missed that!

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06/15/2019 08:00 894.37 3,449,388 4,877 6,739 2,277 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 09:00 894.38 3,449,544 4,868 6,945 2,229 46.81 13.5
06/15/2019 10:00 894.39 3,449,699 4,909 8,024 2,217 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 11:00 894.41 3,450,009 4,836 8,031 2,216 46.81 13.5
06/15/2019 12:00 894.41 3,450,009 4,852 6,914 2,217 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 13:00 894.42 3,450,164 4,829 6,194 2,169 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 14:00 894.45 3,450,631 4,924 8,068 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 15:00 894.46 3,450,786 4,880 7,671 2,091 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 16:00 894.47 3,450,940 4,844 7,899 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 17:00 894.49 3,451,252 4,868 7,671 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 18:00 894.50 3,451,407 4,874 7,721 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 19:00 894.50 3,451,407 4,857 7,178 2,107 46.81 13.5
06/15/2019 20:00 894.51 3,451,562 4,870 5,830 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 21:00 894.51 3,451,562 4,887 5,833 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 22:00 894.52 3,451,718 4,875 5,121 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/15/2019 23:00 894.52 3,451,718 4,878 5,120 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 00:00 894.53 3,451,873 4,373 5,082 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 01:00 894.53 3,451,873 4,348 6,700 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 02:00 894.54 3,452,028 4,369 6,483 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 03:00 894.57 3,452,494 4,393 7,008 2,092 46.81 13.5
06/16/2019 04:00 894.58 3,452,650 4,392 7,941 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 05:00 894.60 3,452,960 4,364 7,458 2,068 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 06:00 894.60 3,452,960 4,364 6,296 2,088 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 07:00 894.62 3,453,270 4,354 7,465 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 08:00 894.64 3,453,582 4,346 8,392 2,092 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 09:00 894.65 3,453,737 4,354 6,324 2,061 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 10:00 894.66 3,453,892 4,358 6,145 2,016 46.81 13.4
06/16/2019 11:00 894.67 3,454,047 4,364 6,562 2,016 46.81 13.4

That's 28 hours of just two (2) turbines running at about 80% of their capacity.
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Seriously??? NO ONE ELSE IS SEEING CHICKENS on the feed that used to show the reservoir angles??

It does have the latest data at the top, like always, but it's got hens walking around in a hen house.

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.
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They all seem to be working here in Missouri.

Can you put a link to the page you are viewing?
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I can't seem to google it up, but if you go to youtube and search "DWC Oroville live stream" and click the box that shows the summary of all their livestreams and click on it, two choices appear. The MS top works again now, but if you click on the other--with the picture of the reservoir--you get chickens. Honest.
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I'm going through roku.
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I need to nail this down to see if it's just me that is seeing this, please.

When I click on the livestream that is supposed to show the reservoir I am still getting hens strutting around in a hen house (NOT KIDDING.)

When I click on the livestream that is supposed to show the top of the spillway, I am getting just a still photo of the high country above Almanor.

Anyone else being "treated" to this crap?

TIA....
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link?
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Seriously??? NO ONE ELSE IS SEEING CHICKENS on the feed that used to show the reservoir angles??

It does have the latest data at the top, like always, but it's got hens walking around in a hen house.

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.
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They all seem to be working here in Missouri.

Can you put a link to the page you are viewing?
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I can't seem to google it up, but if you go to youtube and search "DWC Oroville live stream" and click the box that shows the summary of all their livestreams and click on it, two choices appear. The MS top works again now, but if you click on the other--with the picture of the reservoir--you get chickens. Honest.
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Someone's Youtube channel is a go between. Go to the source dumbass [link to www.parks.ca.gov]

You've been going on about this, which is nothing, for a couple days now.
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Seriously??? NO ONE ELSE IS SEEING CHICKENS on the feed that used to show the reservoir angles??

It does have the latest data at the top, like always, but it's got hens walking around in a hen house.

I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77016816


They all seem to be working here in Missouri.

Can you put a link to the page you are viewing?
 Quoting: Hnry Bwmn


I can't seem to google it up, but if you go to youtube and search "DWC Oroville live stream" and click the box that shows the summary of all their livestreams and click on it, two choices appear. The MS top works again now, but if you click on the other--with the picture of the reservoir--you get chickens. Honest.
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Someone's Youtube channel is a go between. Go to the source dumbass [link to www.parks.ca.gov]

You've been going on about this, which is nothing, for a couple days now.
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The public being denied a view of the reservoir as we approach a new high-water mark is NOT NOTHING, dumber ass.
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They all seem to be working here in Missouri.

Can you put a link to the page you are viewing?
 Quoting: Hnry Bwmn


I can't seem to google it up, but if you go to youtube and search "DWC Oroville live stream" and click the box that shows the summary of all their livestreams and click on it, two choices appear. The MS top works again now, but if you click on the other--with the picture of the reservoir--you get chickens. Honest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77016816


Someone's Youtube channel is a go between. Go to the source dumbass [link to www.parks.ca.gov]

You've been going on about this, which is nothing, for a couple days now.
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The public being denied a view of the reservoir as we approach a new high-water mark is NOT NOTHING, dumber ass.
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The link works, the public is not being denied, you're just too stupid to go the right link.
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I can't seem to google it up, but if you go to youtube and search "DWC Oroville live stream" and click the box that shows the summary of all their livestreams and click on it, two choices appear. The MS top works again now, but if you click on the other--with the picture of the reservoir--you get chickens. Honest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77016816


Someone's Youtube channel is a go between. Go to the source dumbass [link to www.parks.ca.gov]

You've been going on about this, which is nothing, for a couple days now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75848158


The public being denied a view of the reservoir as we approach a new high-water mark is NOT NOTHING, dumber ass.
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The link works, the public is not being denied, you're just too stupid to go the right link.
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Ha...sure. Just because I prefer watching on a BIG SCREEN so that can I can actually clearly see and monitor stuff (via Roku.)

Wow...some people here are just born both nasty and stupid, I guess.
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Someone's Youtube channel is a go between. Go to the source dumbass [link to www.parks.ca.gov]

You've been going on about this, which is nothing, for a couple days now.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75848158


The public being denied a view of the reservoir as we approach a new high-water mark is NOT NOTHING, dumber ass.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77016816


The link works, the public is not being denied, you're just too stupid to go the right link.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75848158


Ha...sure. Just because I prefer watching on a BIG SCREEN so that can I can actually clearly see and monitor stuff (via Roku.)

Wow...some people here are just born both nasty and stupid, I guess.
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Whatever makes you feel better. At least your need to have the last word will bump the thread one more time while people aren't posting much.
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Re: California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed
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The public being denied a view of the reservoir as we approach a new high-water mark is NOT NOTHING, dumber ass.
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The link works, the public is not being denied, you're just too stupid to go the right link.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75848158


Ha...sure. Just because I prefer watching on a BIG SCREEN so that can I can actually clearly see and monitor stuff (via Roku.)

Wow...some people here are just born both nasty and stupid, I guess.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 77016816


Whatever makes you feel better. At least your need to have the last word will bump the thread one more time while people aren't posting much.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75848158


You were the one who had to butt into a conversation you didn't understand and make a fool of yourself.

Half the public is watching chickens in a hen house while the most dangerous dam in the world fills up, and apparently that's nothing to you.

What a quality individual you are, Juan.





GLP