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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severly Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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How old are structures?
They figured out a long time ago that its much easier to control people when we're all watching the same TV shows, listening to the same radio stations, going to the same movies, looking at the same billboards, eating the same food, and speaking the same language...

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How old are structures?
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and is the drought over....???
uh duhr!!!!
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What cities are below that might be effected?

I have relatives in Chico and Sacramento.


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Oroville,Thermalito and Palermo are closest. Then Biggs, Gridley, Live Oak, Yuba City , Marysville, Chico is farther north from Oroville about 3O minutes, Sac, is way further south about an hour and a half from the dam. ( I lived in Yuba City, worked in Chico, and Oroville.
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How old are structures?
 Quoting: Astral Goat


and is the drought over....???
uh duhr!!!!
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Herp herpa
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Karma for all the Hillary votes.

Shame.
 Quoting: TheTruthMonger™


I hate democrats as much as the next guy, but central California is red as it gets.

Try to focus your energy on hoping for 9.9 for San Francisco or better yet, Los Angeles.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6408666

And N. Cali is even redder...most all the counties North of the capital signed up to secede from Cali and form the 'Great State of Jefferson'..

[link to stateofjefferson.com]
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hesright
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They quote an official here

[link to www.kcra.com]

"About 200 to 300 feet of the spillway itself has eroded away, it's just gone. And that's of course of great concern," DWR information officer Doug Carlson said. "We could let the water flow down the spillway, and continue to erode the base of it. That's preferable to allowing the water to get too high in the dam."

So it sounds like they are reluctant to use the emergency spout.
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Dayum
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DWR, through CHP officers on scene, that they had increased the flow to 60,000 cfs when they noticed the concrete begin to disintegrate. Officers said the hole is about 80 feet across the spillway and is about 30 feet deep.
[link to www.krcrtv.com]
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How old are structures?
 Quoting: Astral Goat


Construction started 1961, opened 1968



Dam and spillways



Type of dam: Rockfill embankment

Impounds: Feather River

Height: 770 ft (230 m)[1]

Length: 6,920 ft (2,110 m)[1]

Dam volume: 77,619,000 cu yd (59,344,000 m3)

Spillway type: Service, 8x gate-controlled

Spillway capacity: 250,000 cu ft/s (7,100 m3/s)


Lake Oroville

Total capacity: 3,537,577 acre·ft (4.363537 km3)

Inactive capacity: 29,600 acre·ft (0.0365 km3)

Catchment area: 3,607 sq mi (9,340 km2)

Surface area: 15,805 acres (6,396 ha)

Normal elevation: 935 ft (285 m) (max)
(NOTE ... this must be the EXTREME Overcapacity height ... everything else is saying 900' is full flood capacity)


Power station

Hydraulic head: 615 ft (187 m)

Turbines: 3x conventional, 3x pump-generators

Installed capacity: 819 MW

Annual generation 1,490 GWh
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You would think 5 years of drought they would have taken this time to check all dams out and made any repairsblink
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looks like it is currently rising at about the rate of 3/4 inch per hour...

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

And this will increase rapidly over the next couple days as the heavy rains return tonight...
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too much daage!
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whats the real damage potential...


a broken spillway or worse???
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whats the real damage potential...


a broken spillway or worse???
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Much worse.
What happens is the erosion around the spillway undermines the reservoir structure and the reservoir itself can start to disintegrate
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DWR, through CHP officers on scene, that they had increased the flow to 60,000 cfs when they noticed the concrete begin to disintegrate. Officers said the hole is about 80 feet across the spillway and is about 30 feet deep.
[link to www.krcrtv.com]
 Quoting: Goofy for God


To put the pictures of the spillway and it's hole into perspective the lake is currently at about 850' asl and the bottom of the spillway is about 300' asl (where the concrete channel ends above the rocks), or a 550 foot vertical drop for the water!!! Think a 45 to 50 story building in height the water is coming down!!

The pictures are obviously via a telephoto lens which makes the drop look a LOT LESS than it really is.
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"If dominant element is water, then use earth and highlight with wood and fire.
Do not use metal"

As elements should remain in balance
Quickly adding these above elements
Should dissipate the excess water

hf
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If the corruptocrats in charge LET the damn fail, and all of that water escape, just IMAGINE how much more political power they can centralize under themselves.

WATER CRISIS CONTINUES!
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DWR, through CHP officers on scene, that they had increased the flow to 60,000 cfs when they noticed the concrete begin to disintegrate. Officers said the hole is about 80 feet across the spillway and is about 30 feet deep.
[link to www.krcrtv.com]
 Quoting: Goofy for God


To put the pictures of the spillway and it's hole into perspective the lake is currently at about 850' asl and the bottom of the spillway is about 300' asl (where the concrete channel ends above the rocks), or a 550 foot vertical drop for the water!!! Think a 45 to 50 story building in height the water is coming down!!

The pictures are obviously via a telephoto lens which makes the drop look a LOT LESS than it really is.
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Yeah, although I've never seen it in use, I was captivated by the sheer magnitude of it driving by it in the summer...
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Get the Democrats and their illegal alien invader butt buddies to fix it!
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We really need to keep on this

I am moving this thread to emergency monitoring

Last Edited by Astral Goat on 02/07/2017 09:14 PM
They figured out a long time ago that its much easier to control people when we're all watching the same TV shows, listening to the same radio stations, going to the same movies, looking at the same billboards, eating the same food, and speaking the same language...

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I live outside of Marysville and can only hope the city gets washed away so we can rebuild.....
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looks like it is currently rising at about the rate of 3/4 inch per hour...

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

And this will increase rapidly over the next couple days as the heavy rains return tonight...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71484121


Thanks for that hourly link. I only had the daily one, which is posted back on p. 1 I think.

ANYWAY!!!

Damn ... that current rise is 17 FEET PER DAY!! and the big NEW rains haven't even begun to fall in the watershed yet.

Lake is currently at 858.47'. The FULL DESIGNED FLOOD Capacity Dam is 900'. (as noted above per Wikipedia FULL EMERGENCY FLOOD Capacity is 935').

With only 41.5 feet of storage capacity remaining unless they can get water going out the spillway they only have about 2 1/2 days of increasing water levels until they hit the magic 900' FULL Food Capacity Level.
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Karma for all the Hillary votes.

Shame.
 Quoting: TheTruthMonger™


No Hillary votes in this vicinity. Trust me on that.
 Quoting: Crunch62


In that area, that's true. Pockets of liberals, but generally a more conservative part of California.
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You know whats going to happen next... right?


California Public School Educated Expert:
"We did our Common Core math and we think it'll hold the next couple days of rain."

And then... shark
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looks like it is currently rising at about the rate of 3/4 inch per hour...

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

And this will increase rapidly over the next couple days as the heavy rains return tonight...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71484121


Thanks for that hourly link. I only had the daily one, which is posted back on p. 1 I think.

ANYWAY!!!

Damn ... that current rise is 17 FEET PER DAY!! and the big NEW rains haven't even begun to fall in the watershed yet.

Lake is currently at 858.47'. The FULL DESIGNED FLOOD Capacity Dam is 900'. (as noted above per Wikipedia FULL EMERGENCY FLOOD Capacity is 935').

With only 41.5 feet of storage capacity remaining unless they can get water going out the spillway they only have about 2 1/2 days of increasing water levels until they hit the magic 900' FULL Food Capacity Level.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 52154903


Yep. Gonna get interesting...
Long range forecast shows 3 days heavy rains, then about a 5 day break with more storms after the break...
popcorn
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looks like it is currently rising at about the rate of 3/4 inch per hour...

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

And this will increase rapidly over the next couple days as the heavy rains return tonight...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71484121


More like 3/4 FOOT per hour.

While the inflow is winding down after the rain stopped this morning (still over 100,000 CFS), more rain is on the way.

Last Edited by Crunch62 on 02/07/2017 09:43 PM
What the Hell?...
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looks like it is currently rising at about the rate of 3/4 inch per hour...

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

And this will increase rapidly over the next couple days as the heavy rains return tonight...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71484121


More like 3/4 FOOT per hour.

While the inflow is winding down after the rain stopped this morning (still over 100,000 CFS), more rain is on the way.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Oh snap. You are right. My bad.
This is going to get out of hand rather quickly methinks...
shocked
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For those late to this thread and who didn't read the first page:

The Oroville Dam is the HIGHEST DAM IN THE United States!!

It is a rock filled dam that is 770' high

(the Hoover Dam holding back Lake Mead is 726 feet tall, 44' shorter)
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If you can keep your head
While all around you everyone is losing theirs

Then perhaps you don't understand the situation properly

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Them fandangos rangers should already be on it

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looks like it is currently rising at about the rate of 3/4 inch per hour...

[link to cdec.water.ca.gov]

And this will increase rapidly over the next couple days as the heavy rains return tonight...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71484121


More like 3/4 FOOT per hour.

While the inflow is winding down after the rain stopped this morning (still over 100,000 CFS), more rain is on the way.
 Quoting: Crunch62


Oh snap. You are right. My bad.
This is going to get out of hand rather quickly methinks...
shocked
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We have a couple of days for the DWR eggheads to come up with a solution. Tick Tock.
What the Hell?...
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Lake Oroville Dam Spillway Trouble

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Damn you can see concrete flying in the air!

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