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California's Lake Oroville Main Spillway Severely Damaged/Eroded. Oroville Dam's Recently Reconstructed Main Spillway Fundamentally Flawed

 
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Am I correct that they are going to run the MS until the water level hits 835'?
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That's the plan.
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I'm just wondering, after watching the video that was taken today from the front of the MS, if that left hand MS wall on the bottom will still be standing when they turn the water off.
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Luckily the bottom of the spillway doesn't matter any more. It's the upper portion we have to keep an eye on.
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I'm only paying attention to it in regards to how it affects water flow down below. So, @ 2-3 more days of MS use and then cleanup and examining the MS again. I'll be curious to see what the bottom of the MS looks like with all the cement they poured under it and bolting they did.
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That's the plan.
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I'm just wondering, after watching the video that was taken today from the front of the MS, if that left hand MS wall on the bottom will still be standing when they turn the water off.
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Luckily the bottom of the spillway doesn't matter any more. It's the upper portion we have to keep an eye on.
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I'm only paying attention to it in regards to how it affects water flow down below. So, @ 2-3 more days of MS use and then cleanup and examining the MS again. I'll be curious to see what the bottom of the MS looks like with all the cement they poured under it and bolting they did.
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The water is not reaching the lower spillway. The flow is going through a channel towards the dam and bypassing the lower spillway completely.
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Am I correct that they are going to run the MS until the water level hits 835'?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24518639


That's the plan.
 Quoting: LJM77


I'm just wondering, after watching the video that was taken today from the front of the MS, if that left hand MS wall on the bottom will still be standing when they turn the water off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24518639


Luckily the bottom of the spillway doesn't matter any more. It's the upper portion we have to keep an eye on.
 Quoting: LJM77


What if they rebuilt the lower portion of the spillway into a whitewater park / kayak course? Of course, it would need to be able to flow 150K CFS, which would make for some intense whitewater moments.

The City of Oroville already has a concept for such a venue in the General Plan (although at a much lower flow rate).

[link to www.cityoforoville.org]
What the Hell?...
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That's the plan.
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I'm just wondering, after watching the video that was taken today from the front of the MS, if that left hand MS wall on the bottom will still be standing when they turn the water off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24518639


Luckily the bottom of the spillway doesn't matter any more. It's the upper portion we have to keep an eye on.
 Quoting: LJM77


What if they rebuilt the lower portion of the spillway into a whitewater park / kayak course? Of course, it would need to be able to flow 150K CFS, which would make for some intense whitewater moments.

The City of Oroville already has a concept for such a venue in the General Plan (although at a much lower flow rate).

[link to www.cityoforoville.org]
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That would be a hell of a thrill ride.
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MS went tits up...
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Is there any footage from the spillay since friday?
I havent found any. What are they hiding?
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Absolutely nothing.
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I'm just wondering, after watching the video that was taken today from the front of the MS, if that left hand MS wall on the bottom will still be standing when they turn the water off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24518639


Luckily the bottom of the spillway doesn't matter any more. It's the upper portion we have to keep an eye on.
 Quoting: LJM77


I'm only paying attention to it in regards to how it affects water flow down below. So, @ 2-3 more days of MS use and then cleanup and examining the MS again. I'll be curious to see what the bottom of the MS looks like with all the cement they poured under it and bolting they did.
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The water is not reaching the lower spillway. The flow is going through a channel towards the dam and bypassing the lower spillway completely.
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The water WAS reaching the bottom half of the MS once it was open. Watch the video--

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5PM:

Level: 851.11
Outflows: 46,056
Inflows: 16,132
River rel.: 47,362
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I'm just wondering, after watching the video that was taken today from the front of the MS, if that left hand MS wall on the bottom will still be standing when they turn the water off.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24518639


Luckily the bottom of the spillway doesn't matter any more. It's the upper portion we have to keep an eye on.
 Quoting: LJM77


What if they rebuilt the lower portion of the spillway into a whitewater park / kayak course? Of course, it would need to be able to flow 150K CFS, which would make for some intense whitewater moments.

The City of Oroville already has a concept for such a venue in the General Plan (although at a much lower flow rate).

[link to www.cityoforoville.org]
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That would be a hell of a thrill ride.
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lol, Combat helmets required for the flying chunnks of concrete.
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6PM:

Level: 850.98
Outflows: 46,227
Inflows: 19,397
River rel.: 47,353
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President Trump, under attack from all sides in The Nation's Capital,
ignores the plight of desperate Californians!!!!

(more as it comes in.)
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Nevermind, that was WORSE than this thread...

NOTHING is going to happen with this dam. Except they will hold on, until summer and they can begin to fully repair it.
This is the end of this threads story.
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I hope you are correct. The only real variable is the weather. We are already about 10" above average precipitation for the season (measured at the dam) with more in the forecast. Nearly double the average snowpack in the watershed feeding the reservoir.

If the precipitation over the next two weeks doesn't cause a catastrophe, we may be able to ride it out until repairs can be affected over the summer.
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Even when the rain snow stops better hope tenperatures don't heat up fast and stay hot for a long period of time causing a rapid snow melt. If the dam makes it through the next couple weeks of rain and it dries out and temperatures don't heat up too fast and the snow melts slowly then the dam might make it. If the snow melts fast then the dam is likely doomed. Of course whether the dam breaks or not likely depends on if the government more important the illuminati wants it ti break. If they really want the dam to break youxcan bet they'll do everything in their power to make sure it does even including blowing up tge dam themselves like they did to the levees in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina if it looks like the rain and snowmelt might not be enough to break it. If anybody lives near the dam if you gear explosions make sure to record it so we can catch them and expose them deliberately trying to break the dam If you do hear explosions make sure to get away and out of anywhere the dam could flood immediately.
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Got it! Record deliberate explosion (at any unknown hour)then post immediately on GLP- then RUN FOR MY LIFE!shark
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Watching the dam cam, I see something I think is different. Although the plumes/spray of water from the MS are much smaller than when they recently re-opened the MS, the water spray is now at the tower-and sometimes a bit to the right of the tower. Before, the plumes and spray were to the left of the tower, further down the spillway.
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Yes, and only a .10' decline in the water elevation the last hour...

NOON:

Level: 851.96
Outflows: N/A
Inflows: N/A
River rel.: N/A


1PM:

Level: 851.86
Outflows: N/A
Inflows: N/A
River rel.: N/A
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Thank you for posting the levels. I look for your posts.
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6PM:

Level: 850.95
Outflows: 46,204
Inflows: 33,017
River rel.: 47,369

Drop of just .03'...Here we go...?
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Lets see if those inflow numbers stay elevated... Could get dicey quickly if they jump like predicted...
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Watching the dam cam, I see something I think is different. Although the plumes/spray of water from the MS are much smaller than when they recently re-opened the MS, the water spray is now at the tower-and sometimes a bit to the right of the tower. Before, the plumes and spray were to the left of the tower, further down the spillway.
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Yes, and only a .10' decline in the water elevation the last hour...

NOON:

Level: 851.96
Outflows: N/A
Inflows: N/A
River rel.: N/A


1PM:

Level: 851.86
Outflows: N/A
Inflows: N/A
River rel.: N/A
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Thank you for posting the levels. I look for your posts.
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You're welcome.

Note: The latest inflow number, north of 33,000cfs, is the highest inflow since the last crisis ended.
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6PM:

Level: 850.95
Outflows: 46,204
Inflows: 33,017
River rel.: 47,369

Drop of just .03'...Here we go...?
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well, if they are lowering the CFS outflow in the face of all of
this, then it's obvious they have no intention of
going back up to 50,000 CFS (how much less CFS will they go?)
does this mean the MS has sustained more serious damage, already? necessitating the lower stress-level)

all of which means that very soon the Lake will turn
around and start filling up again. and the MS not being
able to handle the volume of inflow, the Lake will
rise to 901+ feet,
and then DWR will be frantically using the MS and ES both,
to try to keep the Dam above water.

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Wouldn't this just be faster for all of us:


I live in Oroville. Actually 2 blocks from the river. Part of me believes that absolutely nothing will happen. We will make it through this run off. It's a YUGGE mountain, ALOT of erosion of the mountainside would have to happen to "lose" the MS or ES. The pictures & flyover's don't really show the mountainside very well, but if the MS is 15 car lanes wide,
consider how vast the mountainside is that's holding everything up. I have no "faith" in either the MS or ES because right now, I only hope that the water doesn't cut under the mountainside at top.

The second worry is:
Not seeing this "plume cloud"/spray up as reported does bother me though. That tells me that the hole is bigger, deeper and water found other ways to travel besides bouncing off of the bedrock like it was. I don't believe reducing the CFMs from 50 to 48 caused the plume to reduce/cease, The water as found an easier travel route, or something has given way it's resistance.

These are only my opinions. Nothing more.
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Wouldn't this just be faster for all of us:


I live in Oroville. Actually 2 blocks from the river. Part of me believes that absolutely nothing will happen. We will make it through this run off. It's a YUGGE mountain, ALOT of erosion of the mountainside would have to happen to "lose" the MS or ES. The pictures & flyover's don't really show the mountainside very well, but if the MS is 15 car lanes wide,
consider how vast the mountainside is that's holding everything up. I have no "faith" in either the MS or ES because right now, I only hope that the water doesn't cut under the mountainside at top.

The second worry is:
Not seeing this "plume cloud"/spray up as reported does bother me though. That tells me that the hole is bigger, deeper and water found other ways to travel besides bouncing off of the bedrock like it was. I don't believe reducing the CFMs from 50 to 48 caused the plume to reduce/cease, The water as found an easier travel route, or something has given way it's resistance.

These are only my opinions. Nothing more.
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It would be nice to know if it was eroding the base of the dam!
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Wouldn't this just be faster for all of us:


I live in Oroville. Actually 2 blocks from the river. Part of me believes that absolutely nothing will happen. We will make it through this run off. It's a YUGGE mountain, ALOT of erosion of the mountainside would have to happen to "lose" the MS or ES. The pictures & flyover's don't really show the mountainside very well, but if the MS is 15 car lanes wide,
consider how vast the mountainside is that's holding everything up. I have no "faith" in either the MS or ES because right now, I only hope that the water doesn't cut under the mountainside at top.

The second worry is:
Not seeing this "plume cloud"/spray up as reported does bother me though. That tells me that the hole is bigger, deeper and water found other ways to travel besides bouncing off of the bedrock like it was. I don't believe reducing the CFMs from 50 to 48 caused the plume to reduce/cease, The water as found an easier travel route, or something has given way it's resistance.

These are only my opinions. Nothing more.
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well, thanks for posting Oroville AC.

yup. the "Mountain" is 935 feet high.

and things a slow right now because we really need
to see some stuff happen before we can make any intelligent suppositions.
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Wouldn't this just be faster for all of us:


I live in Oroville. Actually 2 blocks from the river. Part of me believes that absolutely nothing will happen. We will make it through this run off. It's a YUGGE mountain, ALOT of erosion of the mountainside would have to happen to "lose" the MS or ES. The pictures & flyover's don't really show the mountainside very well, but if the MS is 15 car lanes wide,
consider how vast the mountainside is that's holding everything up. I have no "faith" in either the MS or ES because right now, I only hope that the water doesn't cut under the mountainside at top.

The second worry is:
Not seeing this "plume cloud"/spray up as reported does bother me though. That tells me that the hole is bigger, deeper and water found other ways to travel besides bouncing off of the bedrock like it was. I don't believe reducing the CFMs from 50 to 48 caused the plume to reduce/cease, The water as found an easier travel route, or something has given way it's resistance.

These are only my opinions. Nothing more.
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alone I didn't think of the water finding a new easier travel route. But the rain creek in our backyard has changed and sculpt our property so I shouldn't be surprised at the idea.
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just read an article that says they have already
spent $188 Billion Dollars trying to clean-up Fukushima.

and that's obviously not enough.
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also, the Mandatory Evacuation Zone in Fukushima Prefecture
is still closed indefinitely.
but there is a perimeter zone that was also evacuated,
and those people are now being forced to move back into
their homes and businesses. (the Government has cut-off
their support payments)
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Wouldn't this just be faster for all of us:


I live in Oroville. Actually 2 blocks from the river. Part of me believes that absolutely nothing will happen. We will make it through this run off. It's a YUGGE mountain, ALOT of erosion of the mountainside would have to happen to "lose" the MS or ES. The pictures & flyover's don't really show the mountainside very well, but if the MS is 15 car lanes wide,
consider how vast the mountainside is that's holding everything up. I have no "faith" in either the MS or ES because right now, I only hope that the water doesn't cut under the mountainside at top.

The second worry is:
Not seeing this "plume cloud"/spray up as reported does bother me though. That tells me that the hole is bigger, deeper and water found other ways to travel besides bouncing off of the bedrock like it was. I don't believe reducing the CFMs from 50 to 48 caused the plume to reduce/cease, The water as found an easier travel route, or something has given way it's resistance.

These are only my opinions. Nothing more.
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It would be nice to know if it was eroding the base of the dam!
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I hadn't thought of that. I should have after seeing that "river valve" eroded and cavitation ( as well as not replaced), oh but isn't the base like 360 tons of concrete?
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2PM:

Elevation: 849.80
Outflows: 45,937
Inflows: 23,178
River Rel.: 46,764

3PM;

Elevation: 849.80
Outflows: 45,943
Inflows: 35,545
River Rel.: 47,070


There ya go...we may have seen the last elevation drop, if the rain keeps up as predicted!
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Wouldn't this just be faster for all of us:


I live in Oroville. Actually 2 blocks from the river. Part of me believes that absolutely nothing will happen. We will make it through this run off. It's a YUGGE mountain, ALOT of erosion of the mountainside would have to happen to "lose" the MS or ES. The pictures & flyover's don't really show the mountainside very well, but if the MS is 15 car lanes wide,
consider how vast the mountainside is that's holding everything up. I have no "faith" in either the MS or ES because right now, I only hope that the water doesn't cut under the mountainside at top.

The second worry is:
Not seeing this "plume cloud"/spray up as reported does bother me though. That tells me that the hole is bigger, deeper and water found other ways to travel besides bouncing off of the bedrock like it was. I don't believe reducing the CFMs from 50 to 48 caused the plume to reduce/cease, The water as found an easier travel route, or something has given way it's resistance.

These are only my opinions. Nothing more.
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A LOCAL!!! Awesome.

Thanks for checking in.

PLEASE TAKE ZERO RISKS THOUGH, and be ready to leave at a moment's notice.

Hey, do they have sirens that go off loud enough for everyone to hear in a dead sleep there in town if there's an emergency?

What's the scuttlebutt from the workers? Are they talking, or have they been gagged?

TIA...
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2.5" of rain over the next 36 hours according to NWS...
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A break on Thursday, and then 2" more on Friday and Saturday...
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4PM:

Elevation: 849.48
Outflows: 45,719
Inflows: 20,130
River Rel.: 46,884
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5PM:

Elevation: 849.37
Outflows: 45,586
Inflows: 10,027
River Rel.: 46,769





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